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the worlds are ruxx + 1, zen +1, or basically auto with 6 conf town. 4/4 split lynching mafia means likely pure wagon. vigi shoots from outside the wagon is 5th conf town. i am 6th. | ||
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On November 05 2017 04:20 Conversion wrote: because he tried to swap out of the wagon, failed, and now is saying he didn't mean to lynch mafia ?? why would he even say that as town, and then try to defend his position on swapping off TT wagon. I would have just parked the vote on TT as town and gone "lol mafia lynch I'm good" i mean from what i see in the voting thread you tried to change at the last moment to stop the lynch too, so you shouldn't really be casting stones m8. your point is dumb though because regardless of alignment it is best for him to try to take credit for the lynch. you're saying "sub-optimal therefore scum". when it is sub-optimal as scum too. | ||
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you say he made it up, when clearly he is being honest. he either accidentally'd a mafia as town or accidentally'd his partner; but i think it is pretty clear he is being honest. you say his admission makes no sense as town, when it quite obviously makes more sense as town being honest than it does from any mafia perspective where it is significantly more beneficial to take the credit. you say he tried to last minute derail a vote off of confirmed mafia, when you did the same thing. i find that evidence lacking when put next to "lynched mafia yesterday". | ||
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1) you're assuming that a person you've never played mafia with on these forums is a) sane and b) capable; which is a mistake 2) you have to realize the insanity of your position. a mafia godfather is lynched on a 4/4 vote in a 13 person game and you want to lynch ON the vote wagon the subsequent day. | ||
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the ruxx +1 world only exists if you think the lynch was mvm like oats does from what i gather, which just seems the least likely to me because of shit like why ruxx elects to bus a teammate to save himself when there are alternatives available to him. and the zen +1 world only exists if you think zen accidentally'd his partner, which you seem to believe and i currently don't. elsewise the game is basically we have 3 lynches guaranteed lynches and 4 people. if 1 of them becomes super town or is blue then it is auto....so game seems pretty simple from where i sit. | ||
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On November 06 2017 04:15 ruXxar wrote: What does that tell you about the mafia team? that it lacks a controlling vet player who believes strongly in mechanics in terms of choosing nks. | ||
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On November 06 2017 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Btw ritoky could totally be mafia nah. | ||
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my brain can't compute it.....it makes no fucking sense to me as any alignment..... | ||
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in the world where the game is auto after conv claimed since we had 3 lynches and 4 unknowns, that was reduced to 3 lynches 3 unknowns. it is happykrogan + hf/shockey (whichever is the 1 playing grab ass) in the world where zen accidentally'd his teammate it is him + 1 of the above in which case there's an argument to be made for hf and shockeyy playing grabass = town in which case krogan is more mafia than both of them. then there's the 3rd world where it was mvm like oats said and ruxxar is mafia, which makes the game dumb and less solved and i don't like that. but that's just at a glance. | ||
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On November 07 2017 06:41 Holyflare wrote: why would mafia be OFF wagon when their partner is getting lynched wtf? that's the most bull shit thing I've heard because 4/4 in a 13 game is easily swingable. if it was 8-2 or some shit ofc they would be on wagon, but 4-4 makes the wagon seem more pure. | ||
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LOL | ||
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##vote: conversion | ||
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these posts: On November 04 2017 09:25 happykrogan wrote: He is townreading me and says you or ruxxar is scum which would be an easy mislynch if you are both town On November 04 2017 09:31 happykrogan wrote: No that's weak. I probably would have killed damdred who already found mafia. in his previous game he was less self aware about his appearance. that said the rest of his filter seems pretty good and honest. also unless he is quiet as a mouse in his QT and getting steamrolled by some1 else, the fact that 2 of his largest defenders died back to back is good for his town prospects. | ||
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On November 07 2017 07:40 Conversion wrote: you want to reread the part where I called myself bad and take a deep breath? or do you want to waste your brain power on calling me bad i am sorry that you're having a bad day. anything i can do to make you feel better? feel free to yell at me and call me names, i won't mind. | ||
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ruxxar 1 hr ago: this ritoky guy, he prob town, let's not lynch him he can solve the game! ritoky 15 mins ago: hm after actually reading portions of the game my previous ideas on autoing may be wrong. ruxxar 5 mins ago: ritoky is awful, he shot hf, let's lynch him. | ||
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I go and I look at the DF kill, and I ask myself who benefits from this? I have read DF's filter 2 times now, and the only person I see benefit ting is ruxx. Now you can say to me "hey ritoky you ever consider they were setting ruxx up?". But who? And why did no one try and convert on that set-up, there was no big ruxx is mafia push the subsequent day with NK justification as a framing for why he is mafia. From what I recall (and I may recall a bit wrong) Zen's beef was regarding ruxx twisting his words, oats was in the tunnel, and krogan's was that ruxx just copies other people's reads and pawns them off as his own. So if it wasn't a set-up, then why else would DF be killed there? Blue read? For the life of me I have gone through DFs filter and I have found 0 reason to ever blue read him in there. Perhaps that is contaminated by hindsight, but with HF spewing blue everywhere you're looking for 1 blue as mafia and the aggro/abrasive manner in which DF was playing was not reading blue at all. Activity? DF wasn't particularly active, maybe slightly above the low bar of this game, but he wasn't in a place to run the game as town leader with 10 pages a day. Clout? DF had very minimal influence in the town structure so it wasn't like he had people sheeping him like an alternative kill did in Damdred. So if he wasn't killed for activity, being a town leader, voting to lynch mafia, a blue read, or as a setup on ruxx....then why the fuck was this guy killed? So I dig deeper, is it a fear lynch for DFs carry potential....well no offense to the guy, but I don't think so when compared to the alternatives of shooting a damdred who just lynched mafia d1 and is universally TR or shooting a HF who is spewing blue or (if he isn't mafia) shooting a ruxxar who is dwarfing people in pure page count. Also as far as I know Damerion, Zen, and Krogan have basically never played with DF so they don't have tons of reason to fear the guy for reputation or past play; so they aren't making that shot for that reason. So the only place I keep ending up at is that the guy was shot for good reads. Go to his filter and look at his reads, he is on ruxx and tt like white on rice. To me it reads like what happens often in mafia QTs where 1 rando dude has god reads on D1 and the people he has dead to rights go "he has to die". My gut tells me ruxx called for a shot on DF cuz DF had him dead to rights. Now if that is all just a giant pile of wifom to you, which could be understandable; I have other reasons. 1) I don't feel like ruxx believes much of what he types. I don't feel any emotional charge behind anything when he writes it, I don't feel passion, it feels empty. That and he moves on from shit too quickly. Townies tend to hold onto things beyond the point that it is healthy. 2) He spins like a top. I honestly couldn't tell you who he wants to lynch today because I think he has tried to test the waters on most every1 to the point where I don't think he feels very strongly about pushing a singular lynch and is instead looking for the one with the most traction before putting his chips down. 3) He has too much to say about too little. He writes paragraphs in response to sentences that I, as town, read and my response is "yep" or "meh". Almost like he has to produce compelling thoughts or a complete response to every tiny thing. Town are so much more apt to brush things off or ignore them or dismiss them, whereas he seems very keen on having his fingerprints all over everything. 4) He has a lot of empty posts where he talks in a circle or weighs out options, but more often than not all of them ruminating never converts into a conclusion that leads to action; it is pages upon pages of considering while he sits on his hands. Now I am aware that there are points to be made against this such as 1) lynched mafia (yeah but the alternative was he died) and 2) activity (yeah but if you go look at his past games alignment is irrelevant in regards to his activity level). But it currently is a gut feeling I am having a hard time shaking because the game doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I think Krogan is town. This means that the first wagon cannot be pure. Which means it is shockey + zen exactly, Damerion is going deep into the Damdred pocket for the long con (which is tough for me to wrap my head around), or it was MvM which makes the game significantly more sensible. That said I have 0 idea who I would peg as ruxxar's potential partner right now, I haven't gotten that far. So if there's people out there who disagree, then please assuage my gut feelings. | ||
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But even I think that 1 is kinda stupid. | ||
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all because i called you mafia. | ||
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On November 09 2017 05:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: I agree with a lot you wrote on your big post. You're right about N1 kill, DF had very little activity and clout in the game. I think when mafia killed him they were hoping that people wouldn't look to deep into who DF thought was scum. Another thing about Ruxx. What do you make of his flipping around on me? He seemed to almost follow Conversion in this. When Conversion unvoted he did too not long after. When Conversion went back on me so did he. i mean i posted all my thoughts on the matter, i have no real opinion on that stuff, mostly cuz my context is fucked being from not actually being in the game at that time i think? | ||
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On November 09 2017 05:23 ruXxar wrote: So you were not even curious to know if holy flare was the vig, when there had been two claims for vig? ? maybe i it is an experience thing, but hf was the vig the entire time in my mind. and no i didn't read role names, i just assumed when he flipped blue he was the vig he said he was. hence my surprise i kinda thought shockeyy was a bit more town playing hot potato with hf too cuz idk if he has the swag level to do that shit with the dude he knows he is about to merc....another reason why the shockeyy + zen conclusion is bad | ||
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what's the numbers? 5-1 N 4-1 D 3-1 N 2-1 D so 2 lynches | ||
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damerion is right for your role. pick the person you think is most mafia and announce your choice right b4 the phase change.when you roleblock them, if there's no kp then we win. if there is kp we have a confirmed town. | ||
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the only question that matters is if mafia can hold kp. it wasn't in the rules when i checked so i don't know if we're playing no-shot/no-lynch or must shoot/must-lynch. if shooting is mandatory then the game is over, if not then meh i hate the rules. | ||
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On November 10 2017 07:12 The_Zen_Man wrote: Yeah, this game is won now. Whoever Conversion blocked is the last scum. GG guys! maybe i am being disrespectful to zen, but can he just manufacture this post as scum? idk if he is that good. | ||
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is there a way to auto this shit? | ||
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in the world where mafia shoots we lynch 1 of the 3 outside the circle -> block the 2nd -> no kp = lynch 2nd/yes kp = lynch 3rd. in the world where mafia doesn't shoot we gain an extra lynch right? so we can lynch all 3? i think my maths are good. so i just need to find a town and i win. | ||
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5->5 N 5->4 D 4->3 N yeah them no shooting again gets us an extra lynch, and conv rbing 1 if they shoot as long as he announces his rb gives us a cop check. so as long as we have 3 town we have auto. | ||
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i don't really think zen is mafia because he just doesn't strike me as the kind of dude who is capable of quickly manufacturing a fake GG post when the day flips no kill. that said zen basically has to die at some point because he was roleblocked and no one died and i am not willing to take that gamble on my read over the mechanics when i basically don't have to. personally i think the mafia is probably in damerion and shockeyy mostly on the grounds that i think they are the 2 players who would actively decide not to shoot out of the 4.... | ||
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on a side note, i am glad my kids are so young that it doesn't take a ton of explaining where the cat went....not a fun convo. | ||
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