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On November 07 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote:
oh how turn the tables.
ruxxar 1 hr ago: this ritoky guy, he prob town, let's not lynch him he can solve the game!
ritoky 15 mins ago: hm after actually reading portions of the game my previous ideas on autoing may be wrong.
ruxxar 5 mins ago: ritoky is awful, he shot hf, let's lynch him.
I did not say you were awful, I presented the two logical possibilities that immediately sprung to mind.
I think you understand how much of a danger HF is, and with him having you in his sights, you wouldn't hesitate to kill him over someone with a low game impact such as shockey.
That being said, I find it more likely that shockey is mafia.
I also have a very strong distaste for fake claiming.
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On November 07 2017 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:
Damn I need to clear my head...
Ok. So it's basically confirmed that we have a JK in the game(sorry artanis, pls no ban), and that conversion is the JK since no counter claim.
Holyflare as vig makes mega sense since I can see a holyflare vig shooting vivax every time.
Now the question is.. what does this make shockey?
Nothing, a lonely town. I was only taking HF's claim as vig to hope for them to kill me off instead but that didn't happen. I think one of the main reasons why HF kept telling me to not say shit. Cause in all honesty, I didn't kill anybody lol...
This does not make any sense.
If HF is the vigi, he's already expended his shot.
From an objective viewpoint, you are now equally as useful.
What reason do you have sacrifice yourself for holyflare, when you're both effectively vanilla town?
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I would never as town think the thought, "I want to sacrifice myself for X, who is also town".
I don't think that's a natural thought process at all.
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On November 07 2017 08:13 Damerion wrote:
I think shcokeyy in this situation is an excellent lynch, you have my sword/vote RuxXar!
Any other thoughts?
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Damdred where are you? <3
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On November 07 2017 10:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Hmmm curious why Ruxxar and Ritoky were so quick to vote on conversion lol
What’s curious about it?
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On November 07 2017 23:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
why did you and Ritoky instantly vote for conversion? I mean, I saw the night post as well, and even posted Conversion? but I didn't go off and vote for him yet. And Ritoky is still on Conversion lol
Because it was clear as day that conversion was mafia with the flip we were presented.
He had been claiming JK to save himself, and if HF was the real JK it meant that it was a ruse to get votes off.
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On November 07 2017 23:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
why did you and Ritoky instantly vote for conversion? I mean, I saw the night post as well, and even posted Conversion? but I didn't go off and vote for him yet. And Ritoky is still on Conversion lol
Ritoky is not voting for conversion.
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On November 08 2017 00:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
HF claimed I was the vig, I never agreed, I just kept bypassing it.
You never denied it when asked.
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On November 07 2017 23:50 Conversion wrote:
okay I'm back
who are we lynching between fake vig claimer and zen and ruxxar
You have my approval to vote for whomever you want to vote for.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on your top scum reads, including me.
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On November 08 2017 00:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also never agreed, while HF himself kept saying it was me.
You could've stopped the farce at any time by telling us that you were not the vig.
Your reasons for not doing so do not make sense to me.
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Who did you JK night 1 conversion?
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I can understand damdred.
I don’t understand damerion too much.
I’m missing his big analysis posts, and am a bit underwhelmed.
Zen is a closed book that only show up when anybody wants to lynch him, never pushing his own targets.
I still want to lynch him.
Ritoky is smart. Logical. I like that. I feel like he can appreciate a good logical argument, and I miss having such a person around.
I think he either shot HF or it was a setup to make it look like he shot HF.
Krogan hasn’t done anything since day 1.
Just coasting on his D1 analysis and DFs “Last will”.
Stuck in his oats/ruxx scum reads and bus theory. Pretty bad.
Conv/shock are self explanatory.
That’s all the people I remember being in the game.
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An assumption from my side:
The fact that a JK was flipped (with video and all) tells me that the mods had the post prepared for a while.
This means that conversion was the original mafia target for at least part of the night.
The HF night kill change I think was a last minute / late change that caught the mods off guard.
I think this change in mafia nightkill arose due to the escalation in tension from HF when trying to push me and ritoky.
I’m not sure how/if this information is useful.
I just had this on my mind and wanted to get it out there.
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On November 07 2017 08:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:He's definitely a better mafia player than I am that's for sure one of the main reasons why I didn't mind taking the vigi claim for now. I figured with him trying to "rescind" his claim, he was trying to not get targeted. So I stepped up and just took the claim. It started with this post: When he posted that, I figured he either wasn't really trying to hide his claim, so I didn't mind taking it. Why would he claim it, then no one counter claim, then him rescind. Show nested quote +On November 06 2017 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
I really want to kill damerion though :/ Then there's this.
I’m very interested in hearing why you pointed out that part about damerion shockey.
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On November 08 2017 01:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I've been on Damerion since the beginning, the first moment he voted for me without even having an idea as to vote for me. You gave him that tone after, which then he talked about trying to make a name for himself. But he hasn't done anything the whole game. It just seems odd that when ever he comes to post, he's posting some 2 cent opinion, and then trying to vote for who ever is the current "train".
You can barely try and make a case out of him cause he only has two pages of filter. He scumreads Zen and myself still. Hasn't updated his reads or even tried to make an effort into playing the game. If Zen so happens to not be mafia, then Damerion is playing really well in hiding.
I mean, I personally I wish Damerion would be on the scum team, but I think we should vote off Krogan based on the day one votes, then the last vote should be between damerion and Zen, but it seems like it'll be Zen anyways.
I like this response, it’s very good, but I was more curious why you put holyflares view on damerion in a post that had nothing to do with damerion.
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On November 08 2017 01:15 Damdred wrote:
Tgis whole shockeyy troope about how it makes him scum for killing hf is pretty bad.
Mafia wouldnt fake claim and then kill the person that was doing it, makes no logical sense in that regard. Idk what damer is doing there, his point about vote distancing is okish, but still lacks a bit of oomph.
teams
This is a good point.
It would be a deathtrap for mafia to even play with that thought.
I can't see why town would do it, but I can't see why mafia would do it either so basically null.
I mean, if shockey is mafia, he knows that HF isnt joking, which means that HF basically has a grip on his balls for the rest of the game and can tighten that vice whenever he feels like it.
I still think that the thought "I want to sacrifice myself for X" is an unnatural thought which I would never consider, but that's just me.
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On November 08 2017 02:03 happykrogan wrote:
Maybe I'm making it to easy for myself because I don't have too much time right now, but I don't see a reason not to vote for you.
I don't mind that, but you sound like a broken record.
Whenever I wonder "what new thoughts does krogan have" I just hear the same old song.
In your last game, you at least seemed more willing to evaluate different viewpoints.
It's fine that you think I'm scum, but your world view is so narrow that I feel like I don't know you at all.
I want you to open up more and engage, have a chat with people, ask some questions.
It seems like to you, events just pass you by like an old tree in a forest.
There's no emotion, no spark, no trace of your thoughts even having been slightly influenced by the happenings around you.
You can say that activity doesn't matter, but human interaction is a very important part of the game, and we humans are pretty good at reading each other through tone and other immaterial means.
Anyway, this turned into some lecturing bullshit. Don't know where I was going with this.
I mean what I said though, and that goes doubly for zen.
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So... Here’s the short of it:
Damerion wants to lynch Shockey + Zen.
Shockey wants to lynch Damerion.
Krogan wants to lynch Ruxx.
Zen wants to lynch Damerion + Ruxx.
From this matrix we can put together these teams:
Zen+Krogan.
Zen+Shockey.
Krogan+Damerion.
I want to lynch either Zen or Krogan today.
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If I do a scum evaluation on top of just the maths, I find the people to be scummy in this order based on their interaction in the game:
Damerion
Krogan
Zen.
If I do a scum evaluation based on their previous voting pattern I end up with this order:
Krogan
Zen
Damerion
If I take into account the night kills, then they look scummy in this order:
Damerion
Zen
Krogan
I don’t get anything conclusive out of this, but maybe Damerion is a better vote.
I feel like he needs a bit of pressure to step up and do something in the game.
I’m voting Damerion for now.
##Vote Damerion
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