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On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 vote count
Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan, Tictock
ShoCkeyy (2): Conversion, Vivax
Vivax (1): Holyflare,
Damerion (1): ShoCkeyy
Not voted (1): Breshke
Tictock is the lynch.
Looking at this this vote there's simply not enough pushback against the Tick Tock lynch.
Even if happykrogan is mafia, there's still someone not helping out tick tock.
It has to be one of zen or breshke(if not both).
I think with the lack of counter push to tick tock I feel like Ritoky might be a slightly better lynch than zen. It's very close though.
Is anyone town reading ritoky btw?
I think the only one who called ritoky town is zen man.
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On November 07 2017 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
Well done, you just coloured a lynch list to come to the same conclusion as everyone else based on absolutely no reasoning from the player's filter or anything about the game other than a narrative.
I have points you could even discuss through and you aren't?
Happykrogan is not mafia.
I'll bite.
Quote some points you want to discuss.
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On November 06 2017 23:47 Holyflare wrote:
I get a bad feeling from ritoky. I'm definitely sure I've seen him vote off wagon or himself as a placeholder. Conversion voting himself was not scummy in the slightest and I don't know how people tried to twist it to be. Ritoky isn't the offender here, it's ruxxar, but I still get the bad juju from ritoky who has just been spouting rhetoric about not lynching mafia wagon instead of analysing the people.
Conversion voting himself did appear scummy to me. It looked like avoiding responsibility for a lynch, and using an afk excuse to legitimize it.
On November 06 2017 23:49 Holyflare wrote:
Like a darthfoley kill does not make the slightest bit of sense unless one of the mafia people bussed their team mate and don't want to look implicated from poe nks or they're trying to set up ruxxar.
Ritoky just blanket statements that we shouldn't lynch people on the wagon which is bad in this situation. It's either a high level ish kill or a bus but he's trying to make it neither.
1) A DF kill makes sense in any case where mafia was not on my lynch.
Then the tie-breaker for me is: did they vote for mafia or did they not?
The people who voted off wagon look scummer to me than those who didn't.
Which is why the DF kill is pointing to Zen/HF/Ritoky (ignoring blues conversion/shockey)
2) In essence I consider people that lynched mafia more towny than those who didn't, so I don't consider saying that such a bad thing. He did also happen to evaluate zen a bit, so good on him.
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On November 07 2017 06:33 ritoky wrote:
does ruxxar have a more recent game as mafia than the 1 2 yrs ago in the player records thread?
No I don't.
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On November 07 2017 06:33 ritoky wrote:
the kill can't point to me ruxx, i wasn't in the game.
Doesn't matter. Breshke wasn't on my wagon, so he wasnt in the shrinking pool.
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On November 07 2017 06:22 ritoky wrote:
no fucking way dude, you shoot on the wagon to validate your bussers as town even further and keep the largest lynch pool. shooting DF gives your bussers less cred and narrows your lynch pool, it is objectively wrong.
Ritoky, stop making so much sense. I want to lynch you less and less :s
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You know what, I don't want to lynch ritoky.
The guy is making too much sense and I think he'll be useful for solving the game.
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Conversion didn't get nightkilled by mafia because he is mafia.
Mafia would definitely kill conversion if he was town.
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On November 07 2017 07:02 ritoky wrote:
in b4 "roleblocked"
What do you mean?
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On November 07 2017 07:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So conversion, and between zen/happy?
We'll see.
I get the feeling that this night kill was meant to make ritoky look scummy.
Just bad luck for conversion that holyflare was actually the jailkeeper.
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On November 07 2017 07:06 ritoky wrote:
well you're wrong if they have a roleblocker, you kill the vigi and roleblock the medic so that the entire day's discussion revolves around the claim being believable or not.
Shockey = vig.
Conversion = jk.
I was expecting either of them to die.
If mafia has a roleblocker, I am expecting them to block JK and shoot vig, since vig is confirmed town.
Basically what you said.
.... I don't get the point you're trying to make.
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On November 07 2017 07:11 ritoky wrote:
o wat? hf was jk? lol i didn't even read role names
LOL
Yeah...
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Damn I need to clear my head...
Ok. So it's basically confirmed that we have a JK in the game(sorry artanis, pls no ban), and that conversion is the JK since no counter claim.
Holyflare as vig makes mega sense since I can see a holyflare vig shooting vivax every time.
Now the question is.. what does this make shockey?
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So far there are 2 power roles in the game, none of them investigative.
Assuming no more power roles, it doesn't makes sense for there to be a framer in the game.
Hence with the information right now, it makes sense that mafia has a roleblocker.
Especially considering that there is a JK and a vigi in the game, I would say it's safe to assume so.
Here's what I would do as mafia.
Roleblock - Conversion(JK).
Shoot - Shockey(Vigi).
Now if shockey is mafia, he knows that HF is most likely vig since he himself is not, so he wants to kill the vig.
He will then use the confusion around the "why is conversion not dead" to make it look like conversion is not really a JK and then cause confusing and maybe try to lynch him.
I think as shockey mafia he's in a damned if you do, damned if you dont position.
If he doesn't shoot holyflare, holyflare is going to expose him as a liar.
If he does shoot holyflare, it points to shockey having TMI.
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On November 07 2017 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:
Damn I need to clear my head...
Ok. So it's basically confirmed that we have a JK in the game(sorry artanis, pls no ban), and that conversion is the JK since no counter claim.
Holyflare as vig makes mega sense since I can see a holyflare vig shooting vivax every time.
Now the question is.. what does this make shockey?
Nothing, a lonely town. I was only taking HF's claim as vig to hope for them to kill me off instead but that didn't happen. I think one of the main reasons why HF kept telling me to not say shit. Cause in all honesty, I didn't kill anybody lol...
The only other possibility I see is that ritoky is mafia.
I think he's the only one that shoots HF here and not you.
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On November 07 2017 07:38 Conversion wrote:
I'm assuming mafia are keeping me alive even with my role because I'm bad otherwise, so they think I can be spared a day to yell shit at people and confuse town, and they can get rid of me N3
You're alive because they have a roleblocker.
A vigi is 100% confirmed in the game with the 2 kills n2, while a JK is not 100% confirmed (even though its very likely).
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On November 07 2017 07:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2017 07:38 Conversion wrote:
I'm assuming mafia are keeping me alive even with my role because I'm bad otherwise, so they think I can be spared a day to yell shit at people and confuse town, and they can get rid of me N3 You're alive because they have a roleblocker. A vigi is 100% confirmed in the game with the 2 kills n2, while a JK is not 100% confirmed (even though its very likely).
n1*
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On November 07 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote:
oh how turn the tables.
ruxxar 1 hr ago: this ritoky guy, he prob town, let's not lynch him he can solve the game!
ritoky 15 mins ago: hm after actually reading portions of the game my previous ideas on autoing may be wrong.
ruxxar 5 mins ago: ritoky is awful, he shot hf, let's lynch him.
I'm exploring possibilities with newgained information, like good townies should be doing.
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