On August 15 2017 03:41 CopCake wrote: Btw "breaking" "bending" rules is not town aligment tell, like honestlt I can perfectly mimic myself having a badass plan and shit and people would be like "Oh my god that is so meta town cake".
It is absurd.
Fucking judge of this thread, not others.
all my life people told me i use stupid metrics to make reads. all my life i been more right than wrong. even if it is dumb, your top mafia read is about a drawing of a clock....so...
You weren't my top mafia read but now you are for lying.
I said Damred was the mafia more likely.
On August 15 2017 02:45 CopCake wrote: If I have to lynch someone I think I would lynch Ritoki
Wait Cake, what is this?
R u 4 real?
OH LOOK RAYN ISNT 100% CONFIRMED SCUM.
wow it is almost like you are extremely overconfident and wrong in both of your scumreads
On August 15 2017 00:56 Holyflare wrote: This post was directed toward Tumblewood. Now Tumblewood is hard defending rayn effectively because he for some reason magics up that town rayn can be passive if he wants???
i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack. ta da
On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred.
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
Hopeless is town, then weak town. Rayn is null then waffle hard because reasons. I don't see any mention of ff from you at all other than an "oh i thought he's towny".
Somehow rayn isn't your vote. Why?
did you notice that ***two days and rayn's mini-blowup passed*** between the posts you quoted
Also you spend your time making a town case on copcake, why? Why do you spend all your time on that but run out of time to look at the 3 people up for lynch and somehow read hopeless in 3 minutes?
i spent my time ***before the lynch pool was announced*** casing my strongest townread because i did not trust the other two as much. and then when i knew who we could even lynch into you announced that you were shooting rayn and so i left for a bit, and then when i came back (admittedly much too close to deadline) i realized rayn wasn't going to die anyway so i speed-read ff's and 1der's filters and came to the conclusion that ff was highly likely town and 1der was less likely town.
On August 17 2017 09:08 geript wrote: If the next lynch isn't a group of Rels, Ever, TW or pretty close I may just flip a lid
Well first to the vote Thing.
Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.).
If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched.
If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely)
Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm.
As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does.
I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1.
What I care about is this:
On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters
On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier.
So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size.
Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof
well get me lynched then bro.
i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here
How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this:
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done.
I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me.
Quoting this because it shouldn't be forgotten. HF's last post is important too. But this is big.
Noone cares about Tumblewood at the time. He has been asked to clear the shit on him and it's up to him so no need to talk about him.
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
can you explain your cake and geript read? I'm curious.
i think i already explained my cake read, but the short version is some of her reads are so illogical and her reactions to attacks are so righteous that i don't think she could fake it as mafia. i previously thought geript was kinda town for the angle shooting thing ritoky pointed out, but i haven't noticed geript at all since, so it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing. i definitely need to read his filter again though, i haven't read it in quite a while.
Lol. Clearly I am completely unnoticable
i didn't say i had a good read on you. but if you don't establish yourself as very likely town you go to the PoE pool. that's pretty much how it works.
Clearly he's "caught up." Yet he flat out ignores a huge ass case on him? He flat out tries to say I'm scummy yet has nothing to call me scum for? His townreads are shit.
Of course it's important to bring back up because I'm not going to let him slide a rock solid case under the rug.
i explicitly said i was still catching up (and i still haven't gotten to the middle pages between where i left off and page 80)
i did not say you are scummy. i said you are PoE, not that you are scummy. you will remain PoE until i read your filter, which i will do when i am at home at my pc. also i don't know what huge case you are referring to. (and my top townreads are strong. i reserve the right to shove it in your face postgame if i am right on all of those.)
so basically you have misrepresented me in every single thing you said. congrats.
On August 15 2017 00:56 Holyflare wrote: This post was directed toward Tumblewood. Now Tumblewood is hard defending rayn effectively because he for some reason magics up that town rayn can be passive if he wants???
i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack. ta da
On August 15 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote: i think 1der is town for his response to this
On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred.
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
Hopeless is town, then weak town. Rayn is null then waffle hard because reasons. I don't see any mention of ff from you at all other than an "oh i thought he's towny".
Somehow rayn isn't your vote. Why?
did you notice that ***two days and rayn's mini-blowup passed*** between the posts you quoted
Also you spend your time making a town case on copcake, why? Why do you spend all your time on that but run out of time to look at the 3 people up for lynch and somehow read hopeless in 3 minutes?
i spent my time ***before the lynch pool was announced*** casing my strongest townread because i did not trust the other two as much. and then when i knew who we could even lynch into you announced that you were shooting rayn and so i left for a bit, and then when i came back (admittedly much too close to deadline) i realized rayn wasn't going to die anyway so i speed-read ff's and 1der's filters and came to the conclusion that ff was highly likely town and 1der was less likely town.
I think he means you don't imply your read on me changes between there anywhere.
yeah, and i don't think i posted about anything but hf's vig shot in that gap either. but at about the point where i heard about hf's vig shot i had started townreading you, and it may or may not show in those interactions with hf.
On August 17 2017 09:08 geript wrote: If the next lynch isn't a group of Rels, Ever, TW or pretty close I may just flip a lid
Well first to the vote Thing.
Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.).
If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched.
If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely)
Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm.
As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does.
I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1.
On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters
On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier.
So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size.
Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof
well get me lynched then bro.
i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here
How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this:
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done.
I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me.
is this the case geript is talking about? because it seems to be entirely predicated on me disliking 1der's posts and me claiming to read the filters when in reality i did not. to which i say: - i didn't dislike 1der's posts (in fact, i only said positive things about them), but i liked ff's posts more than i liked 1der's posts. - i skimmed the filters, but i skim filters most of the time anyway, because what i am looking for is tone and reactions. (plus i had already read through the first parts of the filters so that sped things up considerably.) not Systematically and Logically analysing people's Logic in Every Post, though i am sure you would like me to.
On August 17 2017 09:08 geript wrote: If the next lynch isn't a group of Rels, Ever, TW or pretty close I may just flip a lid
Well first to the vote Thing.
Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.).
If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched.
If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely)
Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm.
As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does.
I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1.
What I care about is this:
On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters
On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier.
So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size.
Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof
well get me lynched then bro.
i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here
How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this:
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done.
I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me.
Quoting this because it shouldn't be forgotten. HF's last post is important too. But this is big.
Noone cares about Tumblewood at the time. He has been asked to clear the shit on him and it's up to him so no need to talk about him.
No. That's bullshit. Look at this:
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
On August 18 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:42 geript wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:28 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:24 Conversion wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
can you explain your cake and geript read? I'm curious.
i think i already explained my cake read, but the short version is some of her reads are so illogical and her reactions to attacks are so righteous that i don't think she could fake it as mafia. i previously thought geript was kinda town for the angle shooting thing ritoky pointed out, but i haven't noticed geript at all since, so it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing. i definitely need to read his filter again though, i haven't read it in quite a while.
Lol. Clearly I am completely unnoticable
i didn't say i had a good read on you. but if you don't establish yourself as very likely town you go to the PoE pool. that's pretty much how it works.
Clearly he's "caught up." Yet he flat out ignores a huge ass case on him? He flat out tries to say I'm scummy yet has nothing to call me scum for? His townreads are shit.
Of course it's important to bring back up because I'm not going to let him slide a rock solid case under the rug.
i explicitly said i was still catching up (and i still haven't gotten to the middle pages between where i left off and page 80)
i did not say you are scummy. i said you are PoE, not that you are scummy. you will remain PoE until i read your filter, which i will do when i am at home at my pc. also i don't know what huge case you are referring to. (and my top townreads are strong. i reserve the right to shove it in your face postgame if i am right on all of those.)
so basically you have misrepresented me in every single thing you said. congrats.
TW: "Here's my updated reads" Also TW: "I haven't finished catching up"
TW: "Puts X person in a list that contains all scum" Also TW: "X person is not scummy"
The yo-yo is real
have you ever heard of process of elimination? it seems you have not, so let me break it down for you: step 1: read the game thread and, when i feel like it, people's filters. post also. step 2: when someone looks very townie, especially if they have looked that way for an extended period of time, eliminate them from the lynch pool. step 3: as the game goes on, you may spot more very townie players, and eventually you will have a lynch pool where you can be reasonably confident in the success of a lynch from it, despite not having reasons that those players are mafia.
On August 17 2017 09:08 geript wrote: If the next lynch isn't a group of Rels, Ever, TW or pretty close I may just flip a lid
Well first to the vote Thing.
Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.).
If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched.
If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely)
Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm.
As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does.
I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1.
What I care about is this:
On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters
On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote: [quote] So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size.
Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof
well get me lynched then bro.
i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here
How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this:
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done.
I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me.
Quoting this because it shouldn't be forgotten. HF's last post is important too. But this is big.
Noone cares about Tumblewood at the time. He has been asked to clear the shit on him and it's up to him so no need to talk about him.
No. That's bullshit. Look at this:
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
On August 18 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:42 geript wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:28 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:24 Conversion wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
can you explain your cake and geript read? I'm curious.
i think i already explained my cake read, but the short version is some of her reads are so illogical and her reactions to attacks are so righteous that i don't think she could fake it as mafia. i previously thought geript was kinda town for the angle shooting thing ritoky pointed out, but i haven't noticed geript at all since, so it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing. i definitely need to read his filter again though, i haven't read it in quite a while.
Lol. Clearly I am completely unnoticable
i didn't say i had a good read on you. but if you don't establish yourself as very likely town you go to the PoE pool. that's pretty much how it works.
Clearly he's "caught up." Yet he flat out ignores a huge ass case on him? He flat out tries to say I'm scummy yet has nothing to call me scum for? His townreads are shit.
Of course it's important to bring back up because I'm not going to let him slide a rock solid case under the rug.
i explicitly said i was still catching up (and i still haven't gotten to the middle pages between where i left off and page 80)
i did not say you are scummy. i said you are PoE, not that you are scummy. you will remain PoE until i read your filter, which i will do when i am at home at my pc. also i don't know what huge case you are referring to. (and my top townreads are strong. i reserve the right to shove it in your face postgame if i am right on all of those.)
so basically you have misrepresented me in every single thing you said. congrats.
TW: "Here's my updated reads" Also TW: "I haven't finished catching up"
TW: "Puts X person in a list that contains all scum" Also TW: "X person is not scummy"
The yo-yo is real
have you ever heard of process of elimination? it seems you have not, so let me break it down for you: step 1: read the game thread and, when i feel like it, people's filters. post also. step 2: when someone looks very townie, especially if they have looked that way for an extended period of time, eliminate them from the lynch pool. step 3: as the game goes on, you may spot more very townie players, and eventually you will have a lynch pool where you can be reasonably confident in the success of a lynch from it, despite not having reasons that those players are mafia.
so either you can lynch me for having Not Enough Scumreads, which is understandable if misguided (as i have had this problem multiple times, notably in generic 1), or you can lynch me because you refuse to understand how my PoE works, which is silly. someone does not have to do anything scummy (or anything at all) to get in the PoE pool, they just have to not look townie enough to be eliminated.
On August 17 2017 09:08 geript wrote: If the next lynch isn't a group of Rels, Ever, TW or pretty close I may just flip a lid
Well first to the vote Thing.
Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.).
If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched.
If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely)
Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm.
As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does.
I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1.
What I care about is this:
On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters
On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: [quote] well get me lynched then bro.
i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here
How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this:
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done.
I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me.
Quoting this because it shouldn't be forgotten. HF's last post is important too. But this is big.
Noone cares about Tumblewood at the time. He has been asked to clear the shit on him and it's up to him so no need to talk about him.
No. That's bullshit. Look at this:
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
On August 18 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:42 geript wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:28 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:24 Conversion wrote:
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
can you explain your cake and geript read? I'm curious.
i think i already explained my cake read, but the short version is some of her reads are so illogical and her reactions to attacks are so righteous that i don't think she could fake it as mafia. i previously thought geript was kinda town for the angle shooting thing ritoky pointed out, but i haven't noticed geript at all since, so it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing. i definitely need to read his filter again though, i haven't read it in quite a while.
Lol. Clearly I am completely unnoticable
i didn't say i had a good read on you. but if you don't establish yourself as very likely town you go to the PoE pool. that's pretty much how it works.
Clearly he's "caught up." Yet he flat out ignores a huge ass case on him? He flat out tries to say I'm scummy yet has nothing to call me scum for? His townreads are shit.
Of course it's important to bring back up because I'm not going to let him slide a rock solid case under the rug.
i explicitly said i was still catching up (and i still haven't gotten to the middle pages between where i left off and page 80)
i did not say you are scummy. i said you are PoE, not that you are scummy. you will remain PoE until i read your filter, which i will do when i am at home at my pc. also i don't know what huge case you are referring to. (and my top townreads are strong. i reserve the right to shove it in your face postgame if i am right on all of those.)
so basically you have misrepresented me in every single thing you said. congrats.
TW: "Here's my updated reads" Also TW: "I haven't finished catching up"
TW: "Puts X person in a list that contains all scum" Also TW: "X person is not scummy"
The yo-yo is real
have you ever heard of process of elimination? it seems you have not, so let me break it down for you: step 1: read the game thread and, when i feel like it, people's filters. post also. step 2: when someone looks very townie, especially if they have looked that way for an extended period of time, eliminate them from the lynch pool. step 3: as the game goes on, you may spot more very townie players, and eventually you will have a lynch pool where you can be reasonably confident in the success of a lynch from it, despite not having reasons that those players are mafia.
First, when I do a PoE and separate the groups into "town" and "contains the whole scum team," by definition you are calling the people in the second group scum. Sure there's probably 1-2 townies in that group, but again you're saying those people are likely scum.
Here's the important question: If you're town and haven't even caught up yet STILL, why are you even doing PoE reads or giving "updated reads" to begin with?
because i am caught-up enough to eliminate my townreads from the lynch pool, and i don't have to be caught up to say "i do not at this time have a strong reason to townread this person."
On August 18 2017 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tumblewood, noone is accusing you of your poe. It is because you said hopeless is something and then, after your 3 minute filter drive you place him onto some completely different place. And if you are town noone knows why.
pls he was in weak town during early d1. and then much later i restructured my reads to be PoE, and some people had looked townier in that period and some people who had not. i upgraded the people i was now quite confident were town to "town", and the 1der read from earlier did not hold much water later, so i downgraded 1der to PoE.
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
Since when does town think it is important to give an updated list of reads when he's 20+ pages behind on the thread? Since when does a townie find it more important to post about where he stands 20+ pages ago, than to actually read the fucking thread to figure out what if anything has changed in his read?
/end of thread
20+ is a grand exaggeration. i am missing less than pages between 70 and 80. my townreads are confident enough that i doubt anything in those 8 pages changed them, and if those are right then i think i'm well served by posting that, because i have narrowed the game down a useful amount by now.
On August 17 2017 09:55 geript wrote: Like TW upgrading his FF read is really fucking weird. It's based off of a weak town read for "Not wanting a power-up" never gets talked about and FF gets upgraded to lock town 30 minutes before the lynch.
i read ff's filter when i upgraded my read, after seeing more posts that made me think he was town. that sounds pretty normal to me.
Sure there's like ~32 hours at least between these reads and FF posts some in that time frame, but also in that time frame we get gems like:
On August 16 2017 05:45 Tumblewood wrote: so hf, who is mafia / is there mafia between 1der and ff? i think your opinion is important given that you're somewhat forcing us to lynch between them.
TW finds HF to be 60% scum and to be forcing a lynch between Hopeless and FF, agrees that Rayn is likely town OGI, etc. If he thinks HF is scum, why is he even accepting a false dichotomy lynch?
i think you have misinterpreted my question. i thought that, if hf was shooting rayn, he should at least think one of the other two lynches was scummy. so i asked him if he did.
On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred.
Hopeless gets a major downgrade, FF gets an upgrade, and none of this gets talked about. There's not any paranoia about 60% super scummer HF pushing a lynch off scum buddy Rayn (see this analog by his "lock town" buddy).
where do you get 60% from? and how do you get to decide who i should be paranoid about?
On August 15 2017 10:49 ritoky wrote: i think the judges botched it hard on the top vote so i feel like we're going to either get more that i disagree with in the bottom or a pile of afks.
i am sorry, but copcake hasn't been town. i can understand people having null reads on her or slight lean reads, but townier than an angle shooter or hopeless? no way, not even in the same realm.
i think it is the absolute pinnacle of arrogance for the judges to put hf in the top thinking that they have a good enough read on him d1 to give him a power. "but if we don't protect him, he'll die n1 and we need him to champion the thread." bitch please the judges have no clue about his alignment yet just like i don't.
with jealous i can see the humor and the not give a fuck attitude coming off as super town to basically an observer so that 1 i can see from their perspective.
but i don't really want to vote for any of them.
Like he doesn't care
also pls give rayn some time :/
This comes from someone that talks to him everyday, I know he had a shitty day and got almost not sleep.
This is the post HF
So it's conversion and not hopeless? And it's one person not many. And it's not a scum read, it's a hypothetical. I don't think conversion scum reads rayn at that point?
So why is it a forest of wolves and why did you feel the need to tell people to lynch you or whatever?
What have you done other than say rayn is actually afk? Where are the scum reads/town reads?
I've said rels is actually afk irl (steam) but I've actually got reads too. Soooooooo where are yours?
Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc
Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth.
this indignation doesn't read as anything but town
On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote: Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.
Read on him now?
Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia.
That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game.
Here
He called you mafia and you were mafia together
And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS.
in 2 words: righteous indignation. i think it is one of the towniest responses to have to an accusation / pointed question and cake's filter has it in spades. i think u should vote her because, among lowish-risk votes, cake is the lowest risk. jealous is fakeable because a lot of his interaction is indirect because of the paint thing. i still think he is town but it is harder to be certain with jealous. hf is also tricky to read and could definitely fake this for 1 day. i don't think cake's filter is fakeable. especially look at this:
On August 15 2017 22:19 CopCake wrote:
On August 15 2017 22:16 Conversion wrote: meanwhile not a single post from Rels and apparently this is OK town behavior b/c that's his meta
yet hopeless rants on and on about inactives, filter length being an indicator for his scum reads, etc.
I'll take notes for next time mr. french man
Rels was mafia with HF last game. Would be odd if both of them are mafia again
this would be the strangest thing to think of and write as scum. just no way
sheep or u are mafia trying to destroy town
Where he's making the case for Cop being town for who she is regardless of alignment; it's akin to saying Rayn is town for being aggressive.
There's meta. There's how he's flaunting over his reads like they're rainbows and unicorns instead of just saying what he thinks.
one would think it is quite reasonable to make a town case for someone when enough votes gets them a powerup. and although i am not familiar with cake's meta, i doubt it can explain away all the reasons i think she is town, and i think it is silly to scumread me for not being familiar for her meta when making a case on her. you made cases about me in generic 3 (even meta cases) despite having played one game ever with me.
On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters
On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier.
So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size.
Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof
well get me lynched then bro.
i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here
There's all these fucking FF posts that he's read and liked more than Hopeless's stuff in a matter of 3 minutes.
i have already explained this one
Like come on judges, throw us a bone.
this reminds me somewhat of rogue 1 hype when scum!koshi pushed me all game on a case based on 13 individual posts with no overarching connection. i won't say this is totally like that but i am not exactly looking at geript more favorably after this case.
On August 15 2017 00:56 Holyflare wrote: This post was directed toward Tumblewood. Now Tumblewood is hard defending rayn effectively because he for some reason magics up that town rayn can be passive if he wants???
i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack. ta da
On August 15 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote: i think 1der is town for his response to this
On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred.
On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff
sorta town rayn conv geript jealous
at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels
Hopeless is town, then weak town. Rayn is null then waffle hard because reasons. I don't see any mention of ff from you at all other than an "oh i thought he's towny".
Somehow rayn isn't your vote. Why?
did you notice that ***two days and rayn's mini-blowup passed*** between the posts you quoted
Also you spend your time making a town case on copcake, why? Why do you spend all your time on that but run out of time to look at the 3 people up for lynch and somehow read hopeless in 3 minutes?
i spent my time ***before the lynch pool was announced*** casing my strongest townread because i did not trust the other two as much. and then when i knew who we could even lynch into you announced that you were shooting rayn and so i left for a bit, and then when i came back (admittedly much too close to deadline) i realized rayn wasn't going to die anyway so i speed-read ff's and 1der's filters and came to the conclusion that ff was highly likely town and 1der was less likely town.
On August 17 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote: ##unvote
Crock of shit really.
i meant by your vig shot. the only reason i was voting rayn is because i thought you were shooting him anyway so we might as well lynch him and not risk losing a mislynch on some people i didn't think were that likely mafia.
On August 18 2017 04:36 geript wrote: Like seriously if TW is town and hasn't caught back up to the thread, why is he making this post?
On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list
town 1der cake rit rayn conv
don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf
the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels
Since when does town think it is important to give an updated list of reads when he's 20+ pages behind on the thread? Since when does a townie find it more important to post about where he stands 20+ pages ago, than to actually read the fucking thread to figure out what if anything has changed in his read?
On August 18 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote: Tw is mafia because he has too many holes in his read progression. He announced every little thing that makes someone town that looks stupid to any onlooker but he casually forgets to mention he now town reads rayn? Nahhhhhhh fam.
i was under the impression (when i came back) that the thread consensus was already rayn town and all the people voting him had simply not changed it, like i had, so it would be unnecessary to say that i read him town (just like it might be unnecessary to say you read me scum). i didn't post about it as soon as i got the read because i don't like saying anything about modconfirms (i try to ignore them, mostly), but later i realized he was town anyway regardless of mod actions.
On August 18 2017 05:16 CopCake wrote: God plssss give me patience *will ignore forever rayn and holyflare for a while*
Ok so I am sold 100% that TW is mafia, I mean I think he made a case on rayn of "He is town" because he knew the outcome "Rayn is town" like I said before it was obvious Rayn would be in the 3 lynch pile and he wanted to be part of that bus.
Then he said FF is town (forgot why) but he is town, unvoted and waited for Hopeless to unvote and vote FF and then he voted for Hopeless.
I can see 2 things with this:
.Hopeless is mafia with TW so if by a miracle someone from the lynching pile of Rayn changed his vote last second to Hopeless and Hopeless turned mafia that would make TW town for deffending FF and Rayn and saying that Hopeless is scum.
. If FF was the one lynched he would be "I told you so" and he wouldnt be bad.
Jelaous you that you like to create hypothetical scenarios analyze this. Geript you too.
this is silly. tw attacked hf's read on rayn, later the thread decides he is town -> TMI: ok, that's pretty shit but sorta defensible. and the second part of that sentence is incomprehensible to me. scumblewood went after hopeless -> hopeless is scum because bus: ridiculous, completely ignores the possibility of me not having a horse in the race at all. also there is no way i would have the courage as scum to put my scumbuddy as top town after my last list post had him in the lynch pool. the last paragraph is also incomprehensible to me.
On August 18 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote: Tw is mafia because he has too many holes in his read progression. He announced every little thing that makes someone town that looks stupid to any onlooker but he casually forgets to mention he now town reads rayn? Nahhhhhhh fam.
i was under the impression (when i came back) that the thread consensus was already rayn town and all the people voting him had simply not changed it, like i had, so it would be unnecessary to say that i read him town (just like it might be unnecessary to say you read me scum). i didn't post about it as soon as i got the read because i don't like saying anything about modconfirms (i try to ignore them, mostly), but later i realized he was town anyway regardless of mod actions.
Yet I post that you're mafia 24/7 :p
People unvoted rayn cos mod confirming and that I yelled. If you had an actual reason to town read rayn I think that's pretty important information. Also far removed from the "i didn't think rayn was getting shot anymore" that you gave earlier instead.
the fact that i didn't think he was getting shot was not why i thought he was town. i thought he was town because of his mini-blowup near the 48h mark, but i voted him when you said you were shooting him to avoid wasting a mislynch unnecessarily. then when i saw you say "jk just wanted to get the thread to shut up about rayn" i unvoted because there was no point in that anymore.
If Rayn was a townread of TW why did he vote him for lynch if he found Hopeless scummy?
because i thought hf was vig shooting him. but jk, apparently he wasn't, so i went with the least townie option of the three, which was 1der.
If you think Rayn was getting shot... Why vote him instead of Hopeless?
We could have gotten rid of the most scummiest of the 3 and rayn. Win win.
If Rayn was super town to you why vote him? At least to me it doesnt make sense.
if i had the choice, i would've no-lynched given that pool because i didn't think any of them were good options. if rayn had died via vig and ff or 1der flipped town via lynch, we would have lost a mislynch. if we had lynched rayn and he got shot, only 1 townie dies so we still have the extra mislynch.
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