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On June 09 2017 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 12:20 Prison Break wrote:On June 09 2017 12:13 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote:On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us. Here's the actual quote if you want it Me so I wouldn't be a question mark BH so we got better info about Day 1 HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game. ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5? He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment. more as in "idk who's scum" anyway I think HF looks good because when he retracted his blue claim I immediately thought he was still blue and just retracted it to dodge a nightkill hard to believe everyone wanted TW dead and then switched to fidei lol, so I'll look into ritoky first but we also have to look into the order in which the claims happened etc. Out of the blues that claimed TW first then HF then ritoky.
yes, but I mean looking at if the order gives us a better read on them. why would they do this as mafia:
TW claimed cause he was about to get lynched that day so his timing isn't giving towncreds
HF claimed for seemingly no real reason, and I keep thinking how the vivax redcheck on HF couldn't have been staged by HF so if HF is mafia it's not cause he set it up, but purely coincidence
Why does ritoky claim as mafia, did he have pressure? or does he think he can get both HF and TW killed? (not ruling that possibility out)
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On June 09 2017 12:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Tumblewood automatically starts off as the most likely liar since we're still two lynches away from LYLO and the other two claimed from positions where they weren't under too much pressure while he claimed at the end of the day as the vote leader.
This is a good argument and where I'm currently at
Unless if Ritoky thought he could get both TW and HF lynched with a good claim
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On June 09 2017 13:19 Conversion wrote:
so even at this point of the game you think LS has more thread presence than me? like his last few posts were literally nothing and his excuse was "I tend to sheep more as townie"
which is absolute bollocks to me because I have no idea what you normally do as townie.
for what it's worth I'm almost certain scum team is you and LS, but I'd rather have other people weigh in and read their decisions instead.
If anyone wants to know my reason why I think scum team is LS and TW:
Out of the 3 blues, TW is the most suspicious. This is the most active he's been because he realizes he can't just coast his doctor claim to LYLO and then win by convincing one of the townies.
I actually think that Fidei might have been inactive and when the shenanny happened, LS and TW made an executive decision to bus Fidei instead of trying to swing a 6-2 (7-2 with BH if he's on Fidei) onto a townie and possibly fail.
The fact that TW is completely ignoring LS town play and reading me, pb, and even tubesock before LS is suspicious to me.
good night peeps I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow.
This is a good post, yea I think Conversion is town now and he may be on the right track here
Now TW is just going after you/HF/me/all kinds of people or teams that don't make sense to me
Keep in mind TW didn't heal BH, he healed HF, and now says HF is scum
Currently leaning towards killing TW
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On June 09 2017 18:10 ritoky wrote:
Re: ignoring the blues idea. I am not in a place where I can consider if there's any mechanical shenanigans we can do to game the system? I don't think there is a fool-proof one? From my PoV, there's no reason to lynch outside the claims. I have a 50% chance of hitting mafia today and a 100% chance of hitting mafia by tomorrow. Which guarantees us at worst a F5 with 1 mafia left; at best it's 1 mafia left and 1 blue alive tomorrow.
Plus I think with me narrowing the game down so much with checks on players who were probably in mafia's "lynchable" category; I won't be allowed another check. I think ignoring the claims will just have you waking up tomorrow with me dead and an entire phase of TW vs HF.
I mean by leaving them alive we see who gets nightkilled cause they can only rb 1 and nightkill 1. But if we're sure on TW / have no clue outside of those, there's no point.
On June 09 2017 21:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
(for the record, conversion is really up in my town list by now)
(for the record, PB kinda disappeared again, just like he did when claim discussion D2 was going on)
I'm fairly confident that TW/PB is the scum team.
Can you please not say I "disappear" everytime I'm asleep or at work? I'm here now. In before you're going to say I'm only here because you called me out.
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What I'm currently thinking about is the fact that everyone claims different roles
Did TW just get lucky by claiming doc in a cop-vig set-up?
Cop is pretty believable, there is a GF, people already mentioned there can be a GF no cop, but it makes sense to have a cop.
But TW/HF know this, so they wouldn't claim cop themselves?
If it's TW, he just got "lucky" that HF is vig not doc. If it's HF then he obviously claimed a role that the other blue wouldn't be, and that TW didn't claim.
One thing that worries me is that of all people killed,
- Killing Onegu is something I see HF do: if TW is real, HF obviously set him up to be killed eventually this way, which aligns with his play, and Onegu was a medic dodge but still kind of "conf town" (he also claimed VT fwiw), and it somehow reminds me of the nightkill HF made in Generic mafia night 1. That said, Onegu "Agree with HF, would lynch Tumble." fits more with TW scum than HF scum. "Also one more quick thing. Never lynching HF. Its like he is reading my mind 3 hours before I think it.". "PB is a terrible lynch." TW is trying to get me lynched now. Really Onegu was obviously pro-HF and anti-TW, and if TW is scum he knows he's going to get CC'd tomorrow so he wants Onegu out of the way, and he won't nightkill HF in either night cause he wants to lynch him. He nightkills Onegu because the excuse is "he lead the lynch on mafia so he's neutral".
- Vivax was lynched and wanted HF dead
- Blazinghand was about to turn against HF
- HF will get alive=scummed or killed at some point anyway so I expect him to fake-claim this day for sure, yes he crumbed it, but it's not above him to plan his entire play for this fake-claim as scum
I say "lucky", because 1 v 2 is probably better for mafia than 1 v 1.
So a lot of things going through my mind with regards to this, but again the only argument for HF scum is "well he could do this as scum" because he could do anything as scum. But really TW has more scum motive here than HF. Combined with the fact TW claimed only for self preservation. And his overall play was/is weaker. HF's overall play is best / most engaged. I'd say Ritoky is in between, but based on the set-up the cop claim seems believable.
Then there is the blazinghand nightkill and I'm not entirely sure what to think of it. TW could obviously do it to have an excuse that he healed HF. But would HF actually nightkill blazinghand here? I think he could.
Tl;dr = TW scum, HF most town, but a little paranoid that vivax/blazinghand wanted HF dead
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On June 10 2017 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
Ok op says that mafia can't hold their shot. I'm more than comfortable shooting someone absolutely at random to prove myself so that we lynch between ritoky/tumble the next cycle.
you'll get rb'd and the cop/doc will get nightkilled
and that still won't solve you vs the blue that survives as he'll claim to get rb'd as well
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On June 10 2017 00:39 Holyflare wrote:
And lol the bh about to turn on me. I was trolling him at deadline, I didn't actually scum read him.
But did he scumread you?
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To be honest my initial thought when BH flipped is that HF is now town, cause I was paranoid of BH+HF teaming up, but had both townread
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On June 10 2017 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also in so far as tw claiming rb all game, if he's the fake doc they could be paranoid of a vet and rb every person they kill and he just claims it.
but then if a vet dies TW is conf scum, no?
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yea TW should definitely be scum now
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On June 10 2017 04:02 ritoky wrote:Why, and do you think LS would be more likely a partner for HF or TW?
If it's TW
Because I know I'm town, and if you're town, then grack/BTDT are green checked, I townread Conversion now, so only LS and tubesock would be left as options then
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I think HF is just unintentionally tilting people with his playstyle so the argument that LS is mad means he's scum isn't valid, it's true that HF uses meta and for an unknown reason forbids LS to do the same
I'm at TW + LS zit tubesock now
I also don't think we can afford the mislynch people talk about because if it comes to final three, and mafia will definitely leave me and beentheredonethat alive if beentheredonethat is going to tunnel me to death anyway, unless if we can convince him that I'm town
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Actually LS seems town and I only "scumread" him based on ruling out others as town, and maybe associations with TW but TW hasn't even flipped yet
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Like he seems legit tilted by HF here but not really in a scummy way
Could be desinterested town
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LS how certain are you that I'm town?
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On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote:Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote:
i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb
fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that.
reading LS mafia, what else is new for me.
btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia.
tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile.
grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward.
BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia.
onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible.
On filtering tubesock, him as mafia makes sense
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On June 06 2017 08:32 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2017 08:25 Tumblewood wrote:
you know, I would do that, but there's no clear save target and I'm not terribly excited to keep playing this game, despite how clearly this town depends on me to find scum You make jokes too!
A lot of comments like this
Forced interactions between a mafia team?
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