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On June 10 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now.
I disagree though. You must have a viable reason to why you're alive. Vivax wanted you dead. BH was hinting at suspicion. I think you killed BH before his suspicion could turn into a real threat. And he was the only really active town person so with him gone you have guaranteed control of town.
You can take advantage of TW's lack of interest this game and everyones willingness to lynch him. By proactively claiming, you look more legitimate. If you waited another day you risk a reactive claim which people will be less likely to believe.
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On June 10 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 07:22 Tumblewood wrote:On June 10 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now. that's clearly wrong? pre-claim your lynch pool was grack, btdt, ts, pb, conv, but you should have a strong suspicion that there's a cop in the game with two checks reducing that pool by up to three. post-claim you have one, maybe 2 lynches set up for you among people who weren't even in consideration and your pool outside of that is still three people. as mafia you gained mislynches from that play. I didn't think there was a cop because I'm not mafia  Don't want to get into hypothetical fairy land. I'm just simply town vig that didn't want to get into a claim war, wanted your bull shit to end if you didn't die and didn't want to lose us a mislynch.
Uhm how does that make sense?
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On June 10 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote:
alright fuck it bois.
ritoky
btdt
grackaroni
conversion
PB
we down to auto this shit? any objection?
auto's probably fine. My tinfoil is running that it's HF and LS. but it's really stupid. Well HF for reasons I just posted, and LS partly for POE but also HF's trolling scumming on LS. HF banning LS from using meta prevents LS from towning the entire town:
On June 05 2017 08:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:On June 05 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
where is LS solving the game? I'm not an LS expert but doesn't he usually make more noncommittal posts as town? I remember reading one of his scum games where he couldn't help himself from pointing out all of the townies. "X is town. Y is town. Z is town. #IAmTheMetaKing." I banned him from meta though.
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On June 10 2017 08:06 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 07:47 Tumblewood wrote:On June 10 2017 07:40 Prison Break wrote:On June 10 2017 07:39 Tumblewood wrote:
claiming because you think you're about to die is 100% useless if you are actually blue, because when you die you flip and everyone can see your role anyway, and you had nothing new to say about rbs. or if you don't die, congratulations you outed yourself and now mafia can keep you from ever shooting. Uh what? So you're claiming mafia? ??? no. i'm referencing the post where hf says he was 100% certain he was going to die last night. it makes sense to claim if you think you're about to get lynched, but if you think you're about to be NKed it's useless. You claimed blue while you was going to get lynched And now you say blue never does that? Aka you're mafia
He's saying that if you're blue and you think you are going to be Night Killed then there isn't much reason to claim at night. You'll flip anyway (and even more likely to draw fire)
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On June 10 2017 08:10 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 08:08 Tubesock wrote:On June 10 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote:
alright fuck it bois.
ritoky
btdt
grackaroni
conversion
PB
we down to auto this shit? any objection? auto's probably fine. My tinfoil is running that it's HF and LS. but it's really stupid. Well HF for reasons I just posted, and LS partly for POE but also HF's trolling scumming on LS. HF banning LS from using meta prevents LS from towning the entire town: On June 05 2017 08:35 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:On June 05 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
where is LS solving the game? I'm not an LS expert but doesn't he usually make more noncommittal posts as town? I remember reading one of his scum games where he couldn't help himself from pointing out all of the townies. "X is town. Y is town. Z is town. #IAmTheMetaKing." I banned him from meta though. Ok so HF pushing LS the entire game and LS getting mad is stages? Or is LS legit mad HF is bussing him?
I'm pretty biased right now, but yeah could be fake pushing LS (he did say he was trolling him) and I definitely see LS getting pissed HF is busing him. And LS can fake the rage too, he did it in one of his scum games a bit ago. Was towned because he used CAPSLOCK once.
But I don't think HF is really the type to bus both partners d1. So, I'm trying to read and think about his conviction of really wanting to lynch LS or just motivating him to post more and get townread.
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On June 10 2017 10:18 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock's actions today are beyond redeemable. He came to the thread after town reading me all game and pulled up bad meta to scum read me despite me explaining why I didn't shoot and then waited 20 minutes to ask a shit question and leave again.
His play style has been pop in and drop a post and leave again all game. Even if his content appeared good at the time the posts pb quotes the more I look at them the more empty they actually are.
He isn't concerned about figuring out the game while the two newbies are generally puzzled and exploring.
Ls rage quit but he's done thay exact phrasing before as town and also his meta is different to the scum ones i read where he throws out free town reads all game.
Grack/btdt are green checks but in the event ritoky is mafia you should still probably trust those checks. I looked into grack's meta and it's different to this game and btdt too.
The main reason tube was town read was fidei. But in the event tw is a rber then tube's play makes a lot more sense. He even admitted he went on fidei when everyone was ignoring onegu. Possible he didn't think it would gain traction. Tube is also one of the only people i didn't filter dive last night so it makes sense.
Bad meta? It's just pure logic. I don't believe you'd hold your shot for days and days. How often do you last till Day 3 even? You replaced in a game with Ticktock and I and we killed you 3 hours after you replaced in. I don't see how it's possible you would hold your shot. Most the time people shoot Night 1 in case they die D2/N2.
I "pop in" and leave a lot because I have a job that works weird hours and I'm in an off timezone anyway so often there isn't anyone around. I just don't use it as an excuse like others in every game they play.
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On June 10 2017 10:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 10:25 Tubesock wrote:On June 10 2017 10:18 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock's actions today are beyond redeemable. He came to the thread after town reading me all game and pulled up bad meta to scum read me despite me explaining why I didn't shoot and then waited 20 minutes to ask a shit question and leave again.
His play style has been pop in and drop a post and leave again all game. Even if his content appeared good at the time the posts pb quotes the more I look at them the more empty they actually are.
He isn't concerned about figuring out the game while the two newbies are generally puzzled and exploring.
Ls rage quit but he's done thay exact phrasing before as town and also his meta is different to the scum ones i read where he throws out free town reads all game.
Grack/btdt are green checks but in the event ritoky is mafia you should still probably trust those checks. I looked into grack's meta and it's different to this game and btdt too.
The main reason tube was town read was fidei. But in the event tw is a rber then tube's play makes a lot more sense. He even admitted he went on fidei when everyone was ignoring onegu. Possible he didn't think it would gain traction. Tube is also one of the only people i didn't filter dive last night so it makes sense. Bad meta? It's just pure logic. I don't believe you'd hold your shot for days and days. How often do you last till Day 3 even? You replaced in a game with Ticktock and I and we killed you 3 hours after you replaced in. I don't see how it's possible you would hold your shot. Most the time people shoot Night 1 in case they die D2/N2. I "pop in" and leave a lot because I have a job that works weird hours and I'm in an off timezone anyway so often there isn't anyone around. I just don't use it as an excuse like others in every game they play. I will never ever ever ever shoot if we lose a mislynch. Never. ESPECIALLY when I don't have a scum read.
You mean like you didn't scum Vivax? And even btdt? I'm not even counting Fidei and Tumblewood.
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and all the games I've seen/played Vig shot N1, maybe some N2 but that's super rare. So you're like the 1% on this website.
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On June 05 2017 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
Why not BTDT who scum reads exclusively newbies and refuses to talk about the rest of the people in the game? Whose current push is calling a guy a liar for phone posting because he did it once in a game. But the problem is he's been called out on it and the guy he's pushing looks towny. He pushed PB similarly and instantly dropped it because I said it was mediocre.
Weird patterns.
On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:Vivax could be mafia
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On June 10 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
Tube there is no pire logic. You quoted one mafoa game many many years ago from me in my prime where I could devote full days with no job to this one. Then you compared to totally different situations. That game is veru different in the facy we basically got all mafia n1 and the game ended d2 with a guy conceding.
I gave you a reason why i didn't shoot, you neber replied and you haven't even mentioned any content from this game to base a scum read on for today. Everyone else in the game is referencing gameplay from throughout the game, the dubious claim from Tw, the nature of my play all game knowing I'm blue and you ckme in basing a read off old meta in a game with different circumstances. There is no way you aren't mafia.
My scum reads n1 were all up in the air and we just lynched mafia. I was still suspicious of tw but I'm never gonna shoot him when he's unCCd so i looked fot other people. N2 i had sent an LS shot at 11pm and then went meta diving and found out ls was very likely not mafia and sent in no shot. Deal with it fooooolz.
I didn't reply because I simply don't believe your reasoning. I don't see much point in arguing about this with you, you wouldn't make a claim without already knowing all your answers. They will be thought out and reasonable. Of course you're goign to make sense and people will believe your reasons for not shooting. You're brilliant at arguing. My point is that the odds of someone, anyone really, holding their shot is super super low. And considering how prolific of a night kill you are, I just don't see it. I get you are claiming that you would prefer to die without shooting, but my point is that most everyone playing on this site shoots and won't hold. They even just shoot big question marks like ALakaslam, or Chezinu or some other mega lurker. I'm just not buying it.
Tumblewood could be scum sure. It would have been really helpful if he put in noticeable work since his claim. So yeah he looks scummy, but I think mafia!Holyflare has more to gain and this world being more likely.
Ritoky's claim looks good to me. I think it would be way too obvious to just drop all discussion of btdt. So maybe he did to pretect himself I don't know.
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On June 10 2017 12:44 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 10:48 Tubesock wrote:On June 10 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
Tube there is no pire logic. You quoted one mafoa game many many years ago from me in my prime where I could devote full days with no job to this one. Then you compared to totally different situations. That game is veru different in the facy we basically got all mafia n1 and the game ended d2 with a guy conceding.
I gave you a reason why i didn't shoot, you neber replied and you haven't even mentioned any content from this game to base a scum read on for today. Everyone else in the game is referencing gameplay from throughout the game, the dubious claim from Tw, the nature of my play all game knowing I'm blue and you ckme in basing a read off old meta in a game with different circumstances. There is no way you aren't mafia.
My scum reads n1 were all up in the air and we just lynched mafia. I was still suspicious of tw but I'm never gonna shoot him when he's unCCd so i looked fot other people. N2 i had sent an LS shot at 11pm and then went meta diving and found out ls was very likely not mafia and sent in no shot. Deal with it fooooolz. I didn't reply because I simply don't believe your reasoning. I don't see much point in arguing about this with you, you wouldn't make a claim without already knowing all your answers. They will be thought out and reasonable. Of course you're goign to make sense and people will believe your reasons for not shooting. You're brilliant at arguing. My point is that the odds of someone, anyone really, holding their shot is super super low. And considering how prolific of a night kill you are, I just don't see it. I get you are claiming that you would prefer to die without shooting, but my point is that most everyone playing on this site shoots and won't hold. They even just shoot big question marks like ALakaslam, or Chezinu or some other mega lurker. I'm just not buying it. Tumblewood could be scum sure. It would have been really helpful if he put in noticeable work since his claim. So yeah he looks scummy, but I think mafia!Holyflare has more to gain and this world being more likely. Ritoky's claim looks good to me. I think it would be way too obvious to just drop all discussion of btdt. So maybe he did to pretect himself I don't know. Here's the thing Would HF mafia claim vig that hold his shot over doc/cop?
Why not? He can call his shot later and "prove" himself. He could be hedging and being proactive to avoid town turning on him and killing him for being alive.
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On June 10 2017 20:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 18:53 Tubesock wrote:On June 10 2017 12:44 Prison Break wrote:On June 10 2017 10:48 Tubesock wrote:On June 10 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
Tube there is no pire logic. You quoted one mafoa game many many years ago from me in my prime where I could devote full days with no job to this one. Then you compared to totally different situations. That game is veru different in the facy we basically got all mafia n1 and the game ended d2 with a guy conceding.
I gave you a reason why i didn't shoot, you neber replied and you haven't even mentioned any content from this game to base a scum read on for today. Everyone else in the game is referencing gameplay from throughout the game, the dubious claim from Tw, the nature of my play all game knowing I'm blue and you ckme in basing a read off old meta in a game with different circumstances. There is no way you aren't mafia.
My scum reads n1 were all up in the air and we just lynched mafia. I was still suspicious of tw but I'm never gonna shoot him when he's unCCd so i looked fot other people. N2 i had sent an LS shot at 11pm and then went meta diving and found out ls was very likely not mafia and sent in no shot. Deal with it fooooolz. I didn't reply because I simply don't believe your reasoning. I don't see much point in arguing about this with you, you wouldn't make a claim without already knowing all your answers. They will be thought out and reasonable. Of course you're goign to make sense and people will believe your reasons for not shooting. You're brilliant at arguing. My point is that the odds of someone, anyone really, holding their shot is super super low. And considering how prolific of a night kill you are, I just don't see it. I get you are claiming that you would prefer to die without shooting, but my point is that most everyone playing on this site shoots and won't hold. They even just shoot big question marks like ALakaslam, or Chezinu or some other mega lurker. I'm just not buying it. Tumblewood could be scum sure. It would have been really helpful if he put in noticeable work since his claim. So yeah he looks scummy, but I think mafia!Holyflare has more to gain and this world being more likely. Ritoky's claim looks good to me. I think it would be way too obvious to just drop all discussion of btdt. So maybe he did to pretect himself I don't know. Here's the thing Would HF mafia claim vig that hold his shot over doc/cop? Why not? He can call his shot later and "prove" himself. He could be hedging and being proactive to avoid town turning on him and killing him for being alive. You think i don't think I'd have a good reason to be alive with a doctor claim and a guy that pushed mafia d1 dying?
I don't know what you're doing. I think you have an excuse for another night but the next day you'll need some reason. I'm answering PB's question. He is saying mafia!HF wouldn't claim vig over doc/cop. I'm saying that you could and it's not a reason to town you.
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On June 10 2017 20:20 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh but I'm town
Ok.
This will resolve fairly soon. We lynch one of you. One of the 3 of you are mafia. I don't think there would be 3 pr's in the game but I suppose it's not impossible. Mafia has to decide who to kill and then we know the last one's alignment 100%.
Really after this next day / night we will just have to choose between me, LS, PB and Conversion as we would be the only non-confirmed. Although btdt and Grack wouldn't be confirmed if Ritoky is mafia. But I think if Rit is mafia then Grack isn't.
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On June 10 2017 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Let's be real here Tubesock, the rest of the game can tell the claims apart, or at least that I'm town, but why can't you after town reading me the entire game?
Furthermore, of the three people that have claimed I am the only one of them that is going back through the filters, asking the claimed people questions and weighing up the facts, why aren't you?
Then the fact still lies that ritoky's check on btdt doesn't particularly make the slightest bit of sense but people keep saying it does, why is that?
Tw's claimed under pressure and not died for 2 cycles and tmi'd all of day 1 and afkd the rest, why is that? He blindly states ritoky's claim also makes the most sense when it doesn't. Why?
I don't think you've done anything that mafia!HF can't do. I would have believed you if you claimed something other than vig.
I looked back at their filters. I think the answers will be there. People usually plan their fake claims a couple days in advance so there's no way they don't have precanned answers for the predictable questions that we will have.
I am considering Ritoky for the points you brought up. I haven't researched how Ritoky does claims but that's on my to do list. Part of me thinks that he would put in work so that it's not too obvious to mafia that he just checked someone. I am wondering why he still checked btdt, but am willing for him to answer as he's already been asked in thread.
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On June 10 2017 20:32 Holyflare wrote:
Btdt is town if you bothered to check his meta once like you apparently did for me. Grack linked it earlier, totally different.
LS is likely town due to being lost and not blindly calling everyone town.
Pb is very likely town due to his wildly different play and coherent posts instead of picking a player to be mafia and then showing how he got to the conclusion.
Conversion just posts good things all the time.
Then there's you who just throws light suspicion at everyone, who doesn't base his reads today on gameplay, who instead fights tbe corner 90% of the game isn't fighting.
I generally only use meta when I've had personal experience with someone. I guess technically I used "meta" about the vig thing but it was to see if you have in fact held your shot before. It is certainly not a common occurrence.
You also said I post good things all the time and even loved that I posted something about BH. But because I'm going against you right now is the only reason you think I'm scum.
How often does mafia actually go against 90% of the game vs just piling on TW who has been under suspicion all game?
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On June 10 2017 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
When tw is mafia and has done nothing redeeming and claimed under pressure of a case you sheeped then yes mafia tube does go against the thread to save his team.
Seems better to bus him and have killed both my scum mates. WIFOM at best.
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HF glad you're ok. I'd never vote you in real life.
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HF is right that I don't have anything but really a gut feel that Tumble is town. There's nothing really in his filter that is definitively town. Most of it is that I know that the better mafia players have to have some sort of plan. play, or whatever for a mafia win. HF has it more difficult I think because no matter what he is never definitively town. He's admitted this in this game.
Do you guys not think that he's on a timer if he's mafia? I don't know why mafia!HF would pick vig to fakeclaim. But it's not something I think is super outlandish. What I do think is outlandish is someone holding their shot for days. Especially when they generally die early on.
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On June 11 2017 09:21 Prison Break wrote:
so any odds it's BTDT + ritoky now? guy legit did nothing but go "lynch TW then HF also PB is scum" then leave
It could be though. Need to reread their interactions with confirmed town HF and TW. I never liked emotion types of TR's. Too many people have exploited that.
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