[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia II

On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:

They looked kinda like this:

On May 10 2017 16:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This doesn't make any sense. Whch read of mine are shit and why? fuba excluded, but why do i make that read as mafia regardless of fuba's alignment?

On May 10 2017 20:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On further note this is another reason why HF is scum. My interactions with Grack have nothing to do with why he calls me mafia. Therefore there is no reason for these interactions to lessen his scumread on me.

Basically i did thing X which makes me mafia. Then i did Y which in HF's mind lessens the scumminess of thing X. That doesnt make any sense.

On May 10 2017 22:25 darthfoley wrote:


I would also like HF to explain how rayn's interaction with Grack made you less suspicious of him given

On May 10 2017 22:21 darthfoley wrote:


Since when do you just call someone rude and call it a day?

On May 10 2017 23:02 Tumblewood wrote:
+ I think hf was kinda looking for an excuse to blow up at the grack post, because a player trying to make sense of the game would think, "this doesn't make sense, I didn't say that," and try to find out why instead of jumping to the (wrong) conclusion that grack is scum. and then if you thought for another two seconds you'd see it was a joke

On May 11 2017 02:12 Tumblewood wrote:
this is fine I can just ignore Palmar for d1

On May 11 2017 03:31 Grackaroni wrote:

I'm also liking TW. It seems townie to me that he's making the read that nobody else can understand, and this is the kind of approach to reading people that I'm used to seeing from him as town.

On May 11 2017 04:44 LightningStrike wrote:

Ugh yes you were in that fight on pages 6-10 mainly with rayn more so than grack but still you were involved.

On May 10 2017 23:02 Tumblewood wrote:
+ I think hf was kinda looking for an excuse to blow up at the grack post, because a player trying to make sense of the game would think, "this doesn't make sense, I didn't say that," and try to find out why instead of jumping to the (wrong) conclusion that grack is scum. and then if you thought for another two seconds you'd see it was a joke

On May 11 2017 04:57 Grackaroni wrote:

What he's saying is that as town you never would have made the post in the first place. I think Rayn called out that post too after you made it.

On May 10 2017 23:06 Holyflare wrote:


No I'm egotistical and saw some false bull shit and called it out and then i saw it was just for fun after reading his filter and dropped it. Hence why you've never heard about it again.

Or are you implying I still think he's mafia and didn't look into it? In which case why the fuck are you not calling that into question?

On May 11 2017 05:04 Skynx wrote:

How do you even make the cut between when Grack is trolling and not.

On May 11 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:

I'll argue if I think the other person is actually arguing to play mafia. Palmar was just deliberately trying to antagonize me, while referring to himself as a troll, so there was no point in me sticking around and getting more pissed off talking to him.

On May 11 2017 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:

You gave a half assed Vivax read saying you don't hate him so he's mafia.

What are your real thoughts on him?

On May 11 2017 06:43 Damdred wrote:


I do like this post from DF, HF.

He was also the first one to call out my post as summy I believe (?). But I am a little biased towards him currently eh...

On May 10 2017 17:53 Grackaroni wrote:

We seem to be right on track here atm.

I think we should all just chill out a little bit.

On May 11 2017 06:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Do you like what Palmar has contributed so far?

On May 11 2017 06:58 Grackaroni wrote:

I think the point here is that you have the red banana and everybody knows it.

On May 11 2017 06:58 Holyflare wrote:


Palmar is the same as vivax but with more sense and more fear. But I liked his posts, they made sense. I thought his tunnel post was good even if I don't agree with it.

On May 11 2017 07:09 Grackaroni wrote:

Opposites.

On May 11 2017 08:44 Tumblewood wrote:
okay, I might as well get all my reads out at once:
grack is my rock for now. and ls, but I always read him town. (don't get confused, he still is town. I'm always right.)
for now I'm gonna just ignore Palmar and Hf, because Palmar is obstinate and not crusading yet Hf is kinda just yelling and picking fights. plus one of them or rayn will probably die n1
Damdred is a little good in my book
prison break seems like most players I see from other sites. he seems to at least believe what he's saying
skynx has disappointed me so far. he reminds me of myself which is usually a bad sign
fuba had one post I thought sucked but other than that I've been ignoring him
rayn is town I think? I like rayn, he's doin good stuff
anyone else I just forgot was playing

On May 11 2017 08:34 Tumblewood wrote:
well looks like I was wrong on Hf. on the bright side I feel like I sparked discussion of something

On May 11 2017 08:34 Tumblewood wrote:
well looks like I was wrong on Hf. on the bright side I feel like I sparked discussion of something

On May 11 2017 16:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And this is a completely horrible conclusion towards a conversation where Grackaroni explains his thought process to me because when you do that (explaining), you are naturally not attacking the other player since that's not what you are doing at the time. Like how fucking hard that is for people to understand....

But it's not only towards me, you did the same thing regarding Grackaroni and Tumblewood, and that's basically all you have really talked about this game, so 3/3.

On May 11 2017 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then you're focusing too much time onto something you dont even think is relevant.

On May 11 2017 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you know anything about Tumblewoods play nothing he has said makes him mafia.

On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.

He was super submissive to rayn.

He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.

His interactions with me are all defensive.

Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least.

On May 11 2017 22:22 LightningStrike wrote:

Keep saying that to yourself and one day it might be true but not today

On May 11 2017 22:28 Grackaroni wrote:

Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything.

The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo.

Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said.

On May 11 2017 22:29 Vivax wrote:


If you try to start shenannies you're mafia, if you don't, you're town. Good deal?

On May 11 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:

Ugh yes you did come into the fight although maybe more in directly as you were targeting rayn and you were nitpicky like some of the posts I did show yet you were denying this? What are you smoking shrooms again?

On May 11 2017 22:35 Grackaroni wrote:

You might be scum.

I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people.

On May 11 2017 23:25 darthfoley wrote:


Earlier you said you would only consider TW/rayn and no one else. What's changed to open your mind to others, and who are they?

On May 11 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Df keeps getting mentioned but nobody says any reasons why. I don't like it.

Damdred why did you say you didn't like df but then went oit of your way to post a post you did like? Which is basically 20% of his filter anyway. It seems weird to me like you're trying to prove you have similar reads to me.

On May 11 2017 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare you have to understand that inconsistencies do not make people mafia. In fact it is more likely that a townie is inconsistent than that mafia is (this is obviously a case specific thing but especially on D1 and not much to work with it's way more likely that mafia tries to keep their story straight).

##unvote
##vote darthfoley

I am not sure if i can explain this more properly than i have before but i will try.
The thing is Grackaroni answered me regarding my concerns about him. Could he do that as mafia? Would he do that as mafia? Sure he could, most likely would. That doesn't however make him mafia. In fact it is more likely it makes him town because his train of thought follows what he says in his posts there.

Now i wouldn't probably even think df is scum if he didn't make the case in a way that he did. Being wrong or making a wrong conclusion of the above is not necessarily scummy. The point here is what darthfoley does is that he doesn't even evaluate the scumminess of the original act. He just contrasts it to meta and expects the "meta" to strenthen his argument even though he doesn't even have an argument in the first place. In a same way i could say for example the following:
- "Holyflare is scum because he asked why Grack is voting for Palmar and he never asks that as town."

Now who the fuck cares if Holyflare has done it as town before or not when the starting point of the argument is completely ridiculous (aka a thing that is not scummy the slightest)??? What darthfoley did there is he took some random argument, has no conclusion about the argument itself and then just painted it scummy "because Grackaroni doesn't do that as town". Furthermore, with a 100% certainty darthfoley has never ever seen me play with Grackaroni before so there should be no expectations on how Grackaroni should react to something i post as either alignment (there is where even the whole meta bullshit falls apart).

So there is that, now i am off to work.

I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.

On May 11 2017 06:43 Damdred wrote:


I do like this post from DF, HF.

He was also the first one to call out my post as summy I believe (?). But I am a little biased towards him currently eh...

On May 12 2017 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well done, seems like i don't have to do anything since you're all so good at this game.

On May 12 2017 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

fuck you. you literally came here 10mins before the deadline and voted for some random fucking guy with zero reasoning and then you blame me you idiot. really, fuck fucking you.

On May 12 2017 11:16 sicklucker wrote:
espeically fuba is weird. he was in the thread. admitted his vote on me made no sense. then refused to vote anyone else?

Feels like scum thats ok with a town getting lynched( dandred) and does not want to piss anyone else off with a vote on them

On May 12 2017 19:39 Vivax wrote:


From my current point of view this post is awful cause SL is my only top town read atm

I changed my vote because the people who were voting with me were not around and some people who were voting for Damdred were expressing concerns about Vivax. I didn't think there was a chance darthfoley gets lynched, i thought there is a chance people switch to Vivax.

On May 12 2017 20:04 Vivax wrote:


But townies look like they care. Fuba is pretty much the most half assed person in the game and all I keep seeing is active players going at each others throats cause guess what, when you produce something you induce something. Fuba basically produces nothing and cruises by and you can't even call him mafia off a particular something cause he's just there saying hello from time to time, leaning over the counter and asking who's for dinner today in a boring undertone

On May 12 2017 04:12 fuba wrote:
Not sure who I want to vote for now. I'll assume what sl said is true based on the fact that no one contested what he said... I thought it was strange he kept his vote on grack while trying to get everyone to vote for HF or LS, but looks like he never dropped his grack scumread, so that's probably ok.

On May 12 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:
I think you should look elsewhere PB. I direct you to take a stance on fuba/rayn/anyone else. I wanna hear your fresh thoughts.

On May 12 2017 22:37 Palmar wrote:
hf.

is rayn now confirmed town?

On May 12 2017 22:42 Vivax wrote:


Why is rayn's post questionable?

On May 12 2017 22:57 Palmar wrote:

Nono

It's much easier for you to just tell me.

Do you think rayn is supertown? or do you think he's mafia?

All I'm asking for is a single piece of information you can readily provide, and you probably should provide.

On May 10 2017 16:49 Holyflare wrote:
Too many shit reads and then nothing to back up fuba read when asked. Way too wishy washy. Also super buddying palmar.

On May 12 2017 15:31 Holyflare wrote:
There's the whole lead up to lynch and day cycle where rayn is stubborn, "let's lynch df!" repeatedly and then there's the damdred counter wagon appearing. Does he double down on his top obvious scum read? No. He bails when the votes get close.

Couple of reasons I see:

A) he comes up with a df looked towny argument

The above will make him mafia because he completely berates us post flip about being so good at this game which means he can't possibly think this.

B) df is mafia and he was bussing but had a chance to save him

I still like df sooo not so much living in this world

C) a top town player thought he found mafia and when a counter wagon with "no reasons at all!" forms he abandons ship and doesn't think it's suspicious at all post flip but berates the player who joined it instead of being suspicious

This would never in a million million years happen.

D) he's mafia trying to spread maximum confusion

Yes.


Conclusion? 1000000% mafia

On May 13 2017 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax?

On May 13 2017 00:18 Palmar wrote:


Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote.

Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch.

so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote.

According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment"

On May 13 2017 02:13 Prison Break wrote:


That was my theory earlier on, when everyone had 1-2 votes. Obviously as end of day nears, people want to push 1 townie for the mislynch, and in this case your last vote looked very bad

On May 12 2017 04:12 fuba wrote:
Not sure who I want to vote for now. I'll assume what sl said is true based on the fact that no one contested what he said... I thought it was strange he kept his vote on grack while trying to get everyone to vote for HF or LS, but looks like he never dropped his grack scumread, so that's probably ok.

On May 14 2017 01:52 Holyflare wrote:




Timeline doesn't match up unfortunately. You would have lynched the guy you didn't scum read anymore (or so much in your words) over anyone else at that point.

So, to get to the bottom of this, why did you scum read sl even though you said you didn't and pb's case on sl evaporated the minute sl said his vote was a joke?

On May 13 2017 02:44 Prison Break wrote:
I already explained this, it's in scums benefit to have 2 town wagons to protect themselves if they have 1-2 votes on them themselves

So by killing Damdred instead of darthfoley, it sets up the fact people will likely want to lynch darthfoley the next day

I'm getting flood control'd btw since my acc is new lol

On May 14 2017 05:25 fuba wrote:
For my town reads yesterday, I had PB town cuz I liked what he was saying. I'm having trouble doing filters and stuff on my phone, but I'm pretty sure I had LS as town for some retrospectively silly reason like him checking the vote thread earliest. I don't have the capacity to decipher early-game shouting matches, so I tentatively just kept rayn, grack, and HF as "not voting for cuz I don't want to mislynch an active D1." I'd also place the three of them in my "not voting for on D1" group along with vivax and palmar because I generally don't know how to read them, and most of them can likely write circles around me.

From the top of my head I had few thoughts about skynx, damdred, or df. Iirc tw was in my town pile, but something moved him back to null - might have been palmar(?) Pointing out that he was kinda talking nonsense, but I'd have to go back and re-read to remember clearly. Still not a fan of him, but that might just be omgus.

I think I'm forgetting someone.

On May 14 2017 05:10 sicklucker wrote:


he saved a town to kill a town? how is this an argument for anything what have you done this game other then killing df

On May 14 2017 02:08 fuba wrote:
At work, but the timeline definitely matches up. It was grak and df in my mind when I posted that, and I didn't feel comfortable voting them. And I never completely stopped being suspicious of sl. It was more that sl was apparently not happening, so I was gonna look elsewhere. But I didn't find anyone better. Hence the question asking if sl could be on the table.

Townreads will come over lunch.

And again, not much to say about sl. I thought what PB said was good, but no one contested the fact that sl would do the same thing as either alignment, so I went to look elsewhere. It was between grack and df, and at that time I didn't want either lynched. I had no alternative, so I stayed where I was. He could entirely be scum. Nothing said about him made him distinctly town

On May 14 2017 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar, Vivax, Holyflare.

On May 14 2017 02:27 Holyflare wrote:
Again, no. The vote count is posted the just after the moment you posted about losing the scum read on sl.

On May 14 2017 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because LS is mafia. He jas been calling you and me scum all game and cant make up his mind. It doesnt bode well with him being town. He prolly has infuence which is scum qt.

On May 14 2017 08:46 fuba wrote:

Not only that, but I reference the future vote count before it even happens, in that quote you keep pulling out. Like, the situation doesn't make sense at all unless I legit think it's 2-grack, 2-df. Not as scum or town. Either way, if you're right, then I knew the vote count before it even happened.

My post you keep quoting makes it clear that this isn't something I made up after the fact.

On May 14 2017 09:24 Holyflare wrote:


Just answer. Why did you think sl was mafia if your only stated reason was the pb case that was dismissed?

On May 15 2017 02:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I've been working on filtering people.

You were calling me mafia for something you didn't even read?????