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This is good (other then obv reasons) bc its making me question my TW read for starters.
Like i said before, there were factors involve with tumble being partners with calix. The biggest being tumble's posts regarding calix BTDT posts:
On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix
On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now
On April 07 2017 01:44 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 00:52 Koshi wrote:
Tumble is obvious town.
Tumble pls explain your mindmeld pls. idk where you're getting obv town already but as for the mindmeld: reading calix attack btdt was like watching my own thoughts as I read his posts. our thought processes just lined up really well I feel like I'm just explaining what a mindmeld is but there's not much more to say
On April 07 2017 01:48 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 01:09 Shapelog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +How does the post make him scummy (cba to reopen filter from calix On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I. If you think that, where is your vote...? On April 06 2017 19:58 Calix wrote:Your opening post stood out to me because I looked at it and I could not tell what you were trying to do/ say since it didn't say anything. A post for the sake of making a post is probably a better way to put it. Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:51 Calix wrote:
So you're arguing that Koshi announcing his play-style this game is indicative of a lazy mafia?
Possible but it's not for that post, I don't think. He did the same thing in HR iirc. It's worth a push, I think. He's around since a few hours so at least he's checking in regularly, yet he's not doing anything. Which might be perfectly fine because work day, but then again I'm not supposed to find excuses for Koshi being lazy, am I. If you think that, where is your vote...? Versus: On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now If anything, Tumble's post is a TLDR of Calix's train of thought/posts/points that were spread out during that time. Which if he was mafia, could easily be faked if need be. well yeah because calix was making good points and it seemed like they went over everyone's heads
Even tho I hate his play up to this point, I cant see any real reason for mafia to post these posts. If it was tumble/calix, I dont see how it would advance mafia agenda for scum!tumble to come in later and restate something the thread has already talked unfairly for them and calix herself have moved on. Plus, Koshi was already starting to suspect calix over it so it makes even less sense.
The only incentive I see for that would be if Tumble was trying to get it to where he didnt have to attack his partner. But even then I doubt he would do that. From what I remember, he wouldn't feel comfortable doing that automatically that quickly like that. He would be more hesitant.
So, even tho I hate his play, I cant see him being a team with Calix logically now. I just dont see Scum!Tumble making those posts on calix's posts in that case.
So I got 72 hours (unless mafia is really Really really really really really dumb and shoots me. Which I would laugh) till my probable mislynch to find the missing scummer.
So this is what it feels like to actually feel motivated to play town again.
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Im tired rn, so I am going to rest.
I kinda started a POE list in my head im going to investigate in the morning. Till then ciao
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On April 08 2017 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why was your vote where it was? All of you four.
Even tho i was fine either either or, I did prefer tumble. I was debating switching to the calix wagon a hour "before" the day was over to help stop any shenanigans from happening (since there was obv debate over tumble, and I wanted one of them to be lynched) but then she flipped scum a hour before the VC stated so.
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On April 08 2017 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i don't like the post i quoted. Meh idk which is stronger?
Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning.
Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with.
Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense.
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What was Rel's reasoning btw on voting calix?
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Eh I defend briefly, not going to spend much time on it tho.
Suddenly Calix is mafia?!?!? That's not what he said before and Calix certainly didn't make any posts to change his mind. So where did the change of mind come from? I know one answer... "I don't wanna look bad if Calix flips but i don't really want her to flip". And this gem:
If the bold is true, then tumble read doesnt make sense in the long run.
Anyways,
After I woke up the next moring and read over those pages and thought about it more (including your case) i liked the reasoning more and more and I felt she was scummy.
First of all this is a bad case. Second of all this case is nowhere near as good as the case on Calix. Basically Shapelog's case here is "Tumblewood cannot make a decision on btdt's alignment". That makes Tumblewood mafia?
Did you read the posts leading up to that or?
On April 08 2017 01:59 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 01:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's kinda fun though how pretty much everybody says "btdt is scum" yet everybody also goes like "btdt is bad town". At this point, there must be some scummers on me who're just following thread sentiment.
I mean even in my posts on Tumble, people do not read them to see what I have to say on Tumble. Instead, they read them to find reasons to scumread me, see df's post for reference.
Then again, there are no votes on me as of now, instead thread sentiment is going after calix. :/ still in for Tumble. tbh, I actually I agree with you on certain parts with tumble. I do think he is servely lacking content and honestly, he should have something of some form of original thought in his filter. That I agree with you on. I also think the AFK vote is damm sus. as well at this point as well. That I see common ground on. There is no reason he shouldn't have any at this point. This wasn't like earlier, where it was like 1.5/8ths of the way through the day phase. But I do have issues with the cases in certain parts when I read it. Hence why I pointed them out. Either for you or others to reflect on those and either defend or attack those points. Also if I felt you were def. scum I would of voted you as placeholder rn. You might of just inspired a thought tho so hold on.
On April 08 2017 02:39 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:22 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument. hi I checked your filter and 100% of your stuff since sl entered is about sl's entrance post. so I guess my question is what do you hope to get out of pressing on that one post And again, this statement is false at the time of this post. Because litterly a few moments before, on the same page: Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument.
On April 09 2017 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You even literally fucking said at some point Calix is probably the only person who could be mafia with Tumblewood.....
Um please quote?
Because I posted:
On April 08 2017 02:45 Shapelog wrote:
But honestly tho, I dont know who else would be mafia with tumble. Looking at it roughly:
Rels is a odd ball that hasnt posted anything.
Calix maybe but that has to have certain factors involve with it. Also some weird team behavior.
SL i could see.
BTDT: Bus for life -> keep busing -> even more busing -> OMG what a bus -> reverse bus kill. Don't recall either fond of busing that much.
Rayn maybe.
Koshi's early posts with tumble being confirmed town would be very odd.
Darth maybe.
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On April 09 2017 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 23:47 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i don't like the post i quoted. Meh idk which is stronger?
Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning. Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with. Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense. Your day 1 case on Tumblewood has nothing to do with anything related to Calix' alignment so where did that case go? It doesn't make him mafia anymore? How much did you actually believe in your case on D1 if you're so eager to drop it just because someone else flipped something?
Because even tho I hate his posting, still dont like half of what he said, and honestly would love to lynch him. It doesn't make sense to me (or others for that fact) for him to be mafia based off what he said. Discipline play is better then emotional play, and is something im trying to follow more. My read was conflicted because of what I thought, and I sided with what I believe was stronger which was the not being partners with calix.
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On April 09 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It still doesn't change the fact you completely changed your read you were more sure of than your read on Calix, enough to vote for Tumblewood instead of Calix despite there being an actual good case on her. And now you don't even think your case on Tumblewood is any good anymore based on something that has been in the thread to evaluate all the time.
So yeah, excuse me but i am very suspicious of the strength of your read in the first place on D1.
Weren't you the one who told me a time ago not to pre-associate and other stuff?
Yes, I suppose I could if i wanted to i could came to that conclusion earlier on tumble...then come right back if calix flipped town.
On April 09 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or are you saying you want to lynch people based on how they play and if you like it or not instead of them being mafia?
How is voting a afk, lack of originally thought, having BTDT in the range of being able to throw shade on and go after if need be, and overexg. statements to throw shade on you not mafia behaviors?
Anyways, spending too much time. Trying to figureout Rels rn so I really don't care if you fully commit to lynching me rn.
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About Rels,
I dont like the fact he came in and voted calix without really and explanation other then him being where ryan was. I felt honestly he was more focused on me and tumble each (his other scumreads) then what was actually going on with calix. I know there was a small conversation a page back on how scum!rels might voted in regards of calix being scum. I personally think scum!rels would vote calix there instead of saving her because she was MIA. Why stick out and not vote her when it could cause sus. to come on her.
Another thing is the SL read. I first i actually thought this put to ease my sus. as scum!rels needs to keep the scum pool more open since he needs 3 ML's and what better to do that through ryan. Ryan is after-all seen as town my the majority of people, and could be talked into it if needed. But he didnt, which i first thought was town. But then I reread it and saw something:
On April 08 2017 06:38 Rels wrote:rayn. About SL. He feels town. He focused on himself and he's not hiding it, and he's focused on his read on you because of it. It doesn't add anything for him as scum. It's not good looking for him. It wastes time that is all. But he's doing it anyway. I think he's town for that.Like his posts when he come back to the thread after leaving is focused on that: Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:21 sicklucker wrote:On April 07 2017 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 07 2017 06:44 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm fine with Rels, Tumble, Shape, Calix, Koshi lynches apparently
and also Rayn
lol I don't have townreads apparently I am curious though, why is sicklucker town? why am i mafia. hell you know I wanted to answer something but your posts through page 10 were so bad about me and completely random and wrong Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:23 sicklucker wrote:
once again ryan you seem to have tunneled on something completely null and pointless to the game which im ignoring because I believe its completely null and pointless to the game and that makes you think im mafia.
Even if you think im mafia im not a day 1 player and if you lynch me day 1 again after saying you dont want to mislynch me trololo. I acualy kind of want this to happen and he knows he cannot out arguee you. I think I remember him saying you're the player he fears the most, he said that like one year ago. Doesn'et make sense to try to ou targuee you. Especially since he's not lynched. And he is not trying to change the lynch either. He's mainly talking about your read on him.
This argument is fine for sl being town but do note what i bolded. Rel's reasoning for tr SL is due to his focus on himself and such. Then this happens a few posts later:
On April 08 2017 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
shapelog is just the best lynch here by far. he can totally be with calix hell it even makes alot of sense. but if you guys lynch calix first you might do something stupid like lynch tumbleweed
so Saltshaker starts trying to move the lynch (something im going to check out eventually) onto me and off of calix. Now, imo this should cause his read to progress or at least be reconsidered as this is something that does go against this reasoning for why SL is town. however, in response to ryans question about sl in general:
His posts during the night haven't changed my mind. I think he's town based on his lack of mindset. But he'"s not lock town.
This bothers me because ryan did mention his stance towards the lynching, which I would expect rels to react to with his read. I don't see how that doesn't cause anything to go off in rel's mind if he believes the reasons to tr sl off based off that post. Which suggests he isnt really reading and figure out things.
Maybe the SL thing isn't strong but i dont like how he came in her and just voted calix, picked around with me and tumble, and peace. I feel like town!rels would post or mention more then just being really condense down and focused on certain people while not even mentioning others.
Thoughts?
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On April 09 2017 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Voting an afk means nothing when we are talking about Tumblewood.
He has had original thoughts.
"Throw shade on" is just another way of saying "doesn't have a conclusion on players alignment. In a same way i could say you "threw shade" on Tumblewood D1.... Actually considering your read on him now you did that way more than he did, since you never even commited to a vote before Calix was ACTUALLY starting to look like she's getting lynched and after the vote you started convincing Tumblewood that he is mafia (which is literally super dumb in the first place).
So lieing about your filter and then quoting a post from BTDT saying "this might be sus." and doing nothing with it isn't throwing shade?
What original thoughts did he have before that case?
I still dont understand the convinving tumble he is mafia statement.
So there is that. I wasn't talking about pre-association. I was talking about the fact that your read changes based on stuff that should not affect the read at all because based on your case on Tumble, nothing Calix did means anything regarding Tumble's alignment. Nothing Tumble has done since should change your opinion on him (because he hasn't posted anything since the flip). Basically you are evaluating same evidence and coming to a completely different conclusion before. That's not unlikely to come from twon, the unlikeliness comes from the fact you have a 8 page filter, you were active almost all the time, yet you couldn't come to this conclusion earlier and indirectly defended Calix who flipped mafia by calling Tumblewood scum and making a case on him. I don't really understand how this very simple thing is so hard for you to see and why you try to twist it around.
The evidence that causes the change of read came from what tumble did to interact with the now flipped scum calix. And your right, nothing he has down should change my opinion on him, which isnt what did change it.
And yes I realize what you mean about the conclusion thing. And maybe i could of. But at the time I felt both could be mafia, but i also stated that they would have weird team behavior and factors had to be consider if they are scum team. Those factors being the posts from tumble that he posted about calix and her points. After calix flipped scum, I consider it since now i know for sure. Hence the change on tumble.
And that is what happen rofl.
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Agree also with the rels vote as stated in eailer post.
On April 09 2017 07:51 sicklucker wrote:
shapelog just posted 15 paragraphs after its pretty obvious hes going to get lynched no matter what he does today and if he saves himself hes the next lynch anyway? I dont know maybe im just lazy but if im scum in his spot I afk or concede -_-
I went 5 days before solo.
Also I wouldnt give up as in "well this is hopeless" as either alignment rn. Only way I would concede as mafia is if it was like a couple hours before lynch and everyone is stacked on me.
Hasn't said anything about who he thinks is mafia tbh, just that he's town reading me, koshi, rayn and sl. No idea where his head is at right now
He stated he found me and tumble sus. yesterday
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I actually once wrote 12 pages in like 6 hours before.
I.E. Writing is easy for me when I actually want to write. Grammar is good if I get time to edit my posts 
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On April 09 2017 08:23 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2017 08:20 Shapelog wrote:I actually once wrote 12 pages in like 6 hours before. I.E. Writing is easy for me when I actually want to write. Grammar is good if I get time to edit my posts i have a 15-20 pager due on monday at 10am and i want to kill myself
What topic?
Also (I learned how to due to my battle with my written disgraphia) to improve the rate you write, try writing more and more in shorter times. This will lead to you learning how to masterfully get all the points across and your paragraphs being fully developed. A lot of time when I read other people papers, they are very bland and usually lacking details (even on a college level) needed or have very odd organization/layout.
In other news, I didnt realize SL had a 7 page filter lol.
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On April 07 2017 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
THEN STARTS A FUCKING ARGUMENT FOR NO REASON
like i was 5 seconds away from sending a certain someone something but now I just want to lynch him for probably being mafia
I'm not being daft in reading that and it saying that he stated tumble wasnt doing anything?
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On April 09 2017 08:37 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2017 08:27 Shapelog wrote:On April 09 2017 08:23 darthfoley wrote:On April 09 2017 08:20 Shapelog wrote:I actually once wrote 12 pages in like 6 hours before. I.E. Writing is easy for me when I actually want to write. Grammar is good if I get time to edit my posts i have a 15-20 pager due on monday at 10am and i want to kill myself What topic? Also (I learned how to due to my battle with my written disgraphia) to improve the rate you write, try writing more and more in shorter times. This will lead to you learning how to masterfully get all the points across and your paragraphs being fully developed. A lot of time when I read other people papers, they are very bland and usually lacking details (even on a college level) needed or have very odd organization/layout. In other news, I didnt realize SL had a 7 page filter lol. + Show Spoiler +I got to choose. But i'm writing on Americans' paradoxical public opinion relationship with science, specifically regarding acceptance of Darwinian evolution between political parties and how the reception of evolution in the US is counter intuitive once you realize that GOP ideology aligns quite well with Darwinian thought. Certainly an intersesting topic, but just a bitch to write. It's for my environmental history class, but i'm a government major so i had to pull it back into politics somehow.
Ah that's is interesting.
Idk where your at, but I be more than happy to help with it. If you want I can give you my email (if its ok with hosts obv, should be but I can understand if they dont want us to talk period outside the game in private means) and help edit and stuff.
Anyways, hope it goes well. I stop my digress from the game lol.
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Fuck
"Ah that is interesting"
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On April 09 2017 08:36 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
THEN STARTS A FUCKING ARGUMENT FOR NO REASON
like i was 5 seconds away from sending a certain someone something but now I just want to lynch him for probably being mafia I'm not being daft in reading that and it saying that he stated tumble wasnt doing anything?
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Since ur kinda here darth ^
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Also what do you think about the SL part of the Rels post?
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On April 09 2017 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SHa9elog -> sicklucker
Ggnore.
Who the hell is SHa9elog?
At least spell my name right if your going to lynch me.
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