[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia

On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.

What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion

On March 17 2017 07:45 Damdred wrote:
Dis don't skip mine and xata questions. Answering one I as good as both

On March 17 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote:


Ok let me take a whack at it.

You summarize things about xata saying that Eden is either a blue or bsing.

Data didn't say either of those things. Why did you say them and where did you get them from.

On March 17 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote:
Ok so since dis going to go for a bit.

I think xata and cal are both town right now.

Deepblue is moving towards scummy territory with the fearless read of koshi being town for no real reason I guess?

On March 17 2017 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Pst koshi you violating your 92 hour rule bro

On March 17 2017 08:26 Damdred wrote:


What is up with people putting words in people's mouths when they didn't say them?

On March 17 2017 08:36 Damdred wrote:


If you are scum it would be tmi hehe.

As for I you were town, the motivation with a one liner would be harder to ascertain in that situation. Initial thought would be koshi was being to much of a dick to be scum with his I won't do anything shtick

On March 17 2017 08:48 Calix wrote:


Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?

Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.

I don't see how Damdred is comparable.

On March 17 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Fuck I want to townread xata for us posting same things near each otger. But it's kinda lessens because it's about him.

Decisions decisions.

On March 17 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote:
Ok so since dis going to go for a bit.

I think xata and cal are both town right now.

Deepblue is moving towards scummy territory with the fearless read of koshi being town for no real reason I guess?

On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

On March 18 2017 03:11 Calix wrote:
Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though?

On March 18 2017 03:20 Damdred wrote:


Literally dis floats this in the thread right before I said Eden is nai.

I ask for his opinion since obviously he must have one from this post. This post is independent of my post. There is literally no reason I shouldn't ask him for more explanation from this post.

Though the post opened a chasm because there was a obvious miscommunication but that's beyond the point.

On March 18 2017 06:23 disformation wrote:
oh. just randomly remembered something about mindmelds.
there was a glorious game where town!sicklucker had a mindmeld with scum!rels.
just sayin'

On March 18 2017 06:54 Damdred wrote:


If we go with just that group to look into would have to be just deep and xata. Everyone else I think is pure town

I still think both are town in more confident right now in xata but both of them do have a couple question marks. Like xata has some really well reasoned posts but sort of lacks at points in the scum hunting department and isn't as posty as I remember.

Deep as well had some nice posts but was super focused on one and hasn't done much since. But has the whole first game here going for him. But I don't think his postings were outside scum range for anyone in the game
Like I'm really sure you and koshi are always town here.

On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?

On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:


rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.

On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?

I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.

I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.

On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:


Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.

The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.

Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.

On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:


Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.

On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.

1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.

2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).

3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.

Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point.

On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote:


Please explain your Damdred case better then.

I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want....

I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

On March 19 2017 03:36 Damdred wrote:
@df listen you kind I avoided the question I asked. How is me saying I jab problems with things in your filter and showing what they are scummy? Should I not look at people whos on the same wagon as me filters, especially when ibjust say the no push back on the wagon is suspicious?

As for your points, I don't think"ninja" votes that occur roughly 24 hours before lynch are necessarily damning. And unless they happen right as deadline hits kinda won think they are scummy in general.

You voting first doesn't really sway me one way or another I I just something that happens. (As an said it is interesting you only start talking about to the wagonmates aren't the best when I be in it up).

I'll break this into two posts days I forgot what ela there was lol

On March 20 2017 01:58 Damdred wrote:
And honestly I am a bit annoyed at not being more town read.

I had a great catch on tumble around eod which is very much scum indicative imo and his explanations still don't do it justice.

Eden seems to be scum to from the way he went about the vote, whatvi said earlier and that post during nightbphase.

Unflipped I know but still.should count for more than just a lean, quet annoying tbh

On March 20 2017 02:02 Damdred wrote:


Ryan might be scum but it wouldn't be because of his tunneling me.

He does that almost every game up to a point. His smart thing is probably a heuristic he uses a lot but I still feel like I said things he agreed with meh.

If he is scum I couldsee it because he refused interaction and ignored me.

So idk I kinda am up in the air with the third

On March 20 2017 03:56 Damdred wrote:
To scum la me xata and you into lylo so I can bit him off in repayment for arnie for a gun.

I ty

On March 19 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:


Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal

On March 20 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote:

I would like to point out you guys aretalking about giving someone a free pass tommorow for being jumpy from one wagon to the next.

Even though he didn't start doing that until he got called out for the shot he was doing with his townread.

LikeI he was doing it before I called him out we would be cool. But he didnt.

On March 20 2017 05:40 Damdred wrote:


Tumble did not start pulling the confused not sure where he wanted to go until he started getting called out and questioned about why he wanted to lynch his townread.

Then he said he didn't want to lynch rayn, but the vote should be damdred v rayn.

This sequence is distinctly different from someone who justbisnt sure what he wants to do.

On March 20 2017 07:19 Damdred wrote:
As an aside to xata I think if rayn is scum it clears tumble slightly.

On March 19 2017 02:18 disformation wrote:
@rayn what do you currently think about tw?

On March 17 2017 23:38 Tumblewood wrote:

fuck that I'm sick of reads based on like 10 posts from someone who can easily look decent for as long as xata did when Damdred TRed him (and he wasn't that townie imo).
it seemed like it should have been a throwaway read and then it wasn't

On March 18 2017 00:40 Tumblewood wrote:

brush it off or do that stupid "you're wrong but dw I won't scumread you" thing

On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game

On March 20 2017 21:14 Damdred wrote:
Hey bros, I still think disf is town sadly even if his posts were boring before at points.

And hi amg

On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.

On March 20 2017 23:53 Damdred wrote:


This is a total misrepresentation...

1) I specifically ask mal questions to his first post about not liking either mine or disformation wagon. He ignores this question, and I specifically point out that he is ignoring the question and should return to it. Mal never answers this question.

This facilitates a vote later on in the day, Rayn points out the same thing in a later post.

2) I make a case on why I do not like Eden, I do not believe I ever said that Eden is a better lynch? I'm unsure why looking for multiple scum in itself is scummy.

3) Half the thread was nervous about how little resistance the lynch was getting at that point.

4) I said the only person who I did not feel comfortable with on the wagon was DF, and I listed the reasoning why I did not have a town read on DF. He explained himself and we had a sort of argument and I ended up townreading him.

And really there were three options for the lynch, I hard townread Rayn all of yesterday. I wasn't going to vote for myself unless rayn woudl apologize to me for the way he treated me yesterday which was still utter shit btw rayn and I really should get an apology for being ignored and treated like a complete idiot when we agreed on so much shit in the thread (besides scum read on me).

That leaves me in a world where the most likely solution was to lynch a scum read in Mal. And I did just that, he turned out to be town that didn't care.

On March 21 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
You know a scum team of say,

AMG/DF/Eden

kinda makes sense...

On March 21 2017 02:34 Damdred wrote:


Everyone said his post about me was good but most ignored my follow up post how the entirity of the post was misrepresented of the game state.

I find scum do this a lot more when they need reads rather than town who are trying to figure out the game.

On March 22 2017 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Now adam opinion time, I know you added onto DF post about the Ritoky probabilities of why he was killed. Did anything in that post bother you exactly?

On March 22 2017 00:22 Damdred wrote:


You can answer to koshi, i kinda want to see if we are bothered by the same thing.

On March 22 2017 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
Kind of felt similar to me though. Similarly done to sway the lynch situation to his favor for a short-term gain?

On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.

Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here

On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:


And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally?

And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here.

Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc.

On March 22 2017 00:32 Damdred wrote:


Yes, I do like this thought to.

I also like the thought that he put a lot of work coming with solutions that he takes no real stance on himself. All of that writing and he comes up with 0 conclusions on his own.

Its a bit bothering me on both points, and super interesting the easiest one is the lesst likely to him.

On March 22 2017 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Yeah DF isn't bad reading his emotion and some responses to me as townish so far.

So the game is a lot harder than I thought.

On March 22 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:


Say calix and xata are town. What's the point in shooting rayn?

On March 22 2017 07:08 Calix wrote:


This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow.

From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting.

Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds.

Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation.

Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now.

On March 22 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:


Say calix and xata are town. What's the point in shooting rayn?

On March 25 2017 23:05 Damdred wrote:
Rayn I think 3/4 the player list wouldn't block the jk though.

Like it just doesn't make any sense not to.

On March 26 2017 05:12 Xatalos wrote:
I could probably aim to write a novel with the material I've posted on TL Mafia over the years....

Anyway I think Damdred is really quite townish from his vote behavior on D2 alone. disfo also went for Eden, and stayed on him all day, even though he seemed to consider me a bit at times... But that's not necessarily scummy. Dunno, I kind of like both Tumble and disfo? AMG is the only one I seriously think could be scum out of the remaining players. The last one... urgh

On March 28 2017 06:17 Damdred wrote:
I'm here now.

Idk I kinda feel like tumble is the right lynch but I'll and up following town reads of I have to.

Like disf of your town you flip here could you rank all players alive with just a small blurb?

On March 28 2017 06:24 Damdred wrote:
Why are you so upset tw when your scum read disf is getting lynched...

On March 28 2017 06:27 Damdred wrote:


Just my feeling but I think disf flips town.