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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 17:31 GMT
#958
On March 19 2017 19:06 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.

I voted Damdred because:
1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway
2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks.
3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo.
4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.

WITH THAT SAID, I apologize for not actually returning. I sorely underestimated my wireless carrier's range, Mississippi's infrastructure and the entertainment level of this wedding. I solemnly swear not to make any of those mistakes again, especially expecting positive outcomes from Mississippi's infratstructure. A truly egregious error to be certain


I don't plan to type a whole lot this game, but I feel this post is epicly bad on so many levels that I feel compelled.

Why this is awful:

1. Whining about the lynch when you did effectively nothing to prevent it or direct it elsewhere. Drawing attention to how he "clearly" wasn't in support and couldn't possibly understand why people would do such an awful thing like lynch a VT. /s

2. Defensive justification of his vote on an unflipped player when literal no one prompted it or seemingly cared very much.

3. Hypocrisy: His criticism of the Malongo lynch is that it was "null" and "safe". But his read on the person he voted for is "hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be mafia"; aka "null".

4. His reason for voting is? Well it certainly isn't town, because in the town I am from we teach all of our little babis to find the person you think is mafia and vote on them. Nowhere in this post does he even say he thinks Damdred is mafia. Clearly he was not particularly interested in pushing the player he found most scummy day 1, if he even found one. I am left at a point where I have to assume he either had no reads which is bad or he isn't coming from a townie mindset which is also bad.

5. His plan lacks a step. That step is conclusions. You see, this is a way I often get caught as mafia, is I leave dead ends where I pursue a plan or a line of questioning and I fail to draw any meaningful conclusions from it. His plan is: okay the vote is now 5-3, so if Malongo is mafia the opportunity exists for mafia to save him -> if people move I have a very narrow view of who is potentially mafia. Okay players didn't move, what do you conclude from this other than post-mortem Malongo = town? You have a plan so did you gain from it that it was MvT? TvT? You didn't come back in time to claim that "Mafia could save Malongo here and no one is moving, thus town". You have a plan but your plan leads to a dead end and makes no fucking sense.

6. Excuses. God I hate excuses.

That is enough typing for a significant amount of time in this game.

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Oh wow. I think without ritoky's explanation of Eden's plan, I wouldnt have even understood the plan.
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4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum;
put me at: "wat"
Don't think that is a very town way to think about stuff, especially since nothing happened with the plan.

Think I'll put Eden at the bottom of my list and ritoky somewhere in town land.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 17:41 GMT
#966
wait, what do you think of eden then? Oo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 17:54 GMT
#971
On March 20 2017 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is town. I mean like sure he made a "contradiction" but people don't make contradictions they surely notice (if mafia) they are being called out for it (see for example Tumblewood and his "vets cannot be read" -> "i have a at least a somewhat read on all vets now").

Mafia makes contradictions they don't even realize are one (see Damdred).

hmmm... isnt that a bit like too scummy to be scum?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 18:44 GMT
#1007
On March 20 2017 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote:
Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you.

If you can't understand the difference between:
- "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons"
- "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum"

..then i don't know what to say.

quick chime in:
I am actually pretty cool with the bolded, as I think that can very well come from a town mindset.
there might be a problem in your interactions with damdred (which is at least what damdred is on about imo), but I havent gotten the time to double check myself.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 18:57 GMT
#1025
On March 20 2017 03:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:51 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:49 ritoky wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:47 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:
people with good posts:
damdred
rayn
calix

people i don't feel anything much about:
xata
koshi
onegu
rels

people with bad posts:
eden
darthfoley
disfo
tumble


I'm going to break out of my intentional lurking to ask for those disformation posts. He hasn't been talked about much as of late.

Damdred (3) - raynpelikoneet, Koshi, DeepBlueSea89, Eden1892
disformation (0) - Calix, Xatalos, Koshi
Raynpelikoneet (2) - Malongo, Tumblewood, Xatalos
Calix (0) - disformation, Eden1892
Onegu (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
darthfoley (1) - disformation, Tumbleweed
Malongo (6) - darthfoley, Koshi, disformation, Calix, Damdred, Xatalos
Tumblewood (0) - Xatalos
Koshi (0) - Onegu
DeepBlueSea (1) - Onegu
Rels (1) - Rels

general observation: scum probably spread out as hell. doesnt help us now, might be useful to remember later.

reasons for voting n stuff:


rels: voting himself to not get modkilled. itself fairly NAI. getting annoyed that he hasnt done jack all game. null, starting to get scum points though.


eden::
On March 19 2017 03:28 Eden1892 wrote:
##VOTE: Damdred

let's see what happens

into the weird plan thing, that was already discussed.


onegu: voting DPS (the guys who said he is replacing out). reasons feel very onegu though. So blank null.


koshi: early on mal. looks a bit of a poe to me. after voting me and onegu before that he decides that mal looks the worst and votes him.
On March 18 2017 00:59 Koshi wrote:
Calix
DBS
rayn
darth
Xata
Damdred
Tumblewood
disfo
Rels
Eden1892
Onegu
Malongo

Something like this.

##unvote
##vote Malongo

a few mentions of mal before that though. so kinda makes sense. since he had 0 time to play, its hard to tell if he was really caring for the lynch etc.. overall I would like koshi to pick it up a bit again. agreeing with calix in overall downgrading koshi a bit.


rayn:
comes in with scumreads on xata, damdred and mal. with damdy #1 and mal #2. votes damdred, is cool with the mal lynch. some ppl said he should have pushed for damdy more, but I can see town being happy with their top 2 scum reads being a wagon each. so not too worried here based on the votings.


darthfoley:
probably the best case on malongo, votes him on that a bit later.
On March 18 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote:
The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced

On March 17 2017 12:27 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:57 darthfoley wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.


Why do you think we're on the same team

i.e. why are you town reading me?

Just a first impression. Mostly because your position about null reading ryan and because you are calling me out. Don´t expect me to post substance anyways. My goal today is not to lynch Damdred/disformation.


The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons:

On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.


This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone

later adds:
On March 18 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.

1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read
2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads
3) "look how much work i already did"

if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.


If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.

What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?

Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.

He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.

So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.


This is the main reason I voted on him. The first half of this is actually rather townie, but the failure to act on it and try to actively drive a wagon elsewhere is what makes me feel like he might be mafia either trying to save a partner or white-knighting after the lynch of a T

dont see a problem here. made a case on mal. first to vote. mal never posts anything making reconsidering.


tumblewood

On March 19 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
so I'll probably look more into the votes tomorrow (reasoning/timing). lets see if I can find something.

outside of that I think looking into eden/tw might be a good thing to do. rayn vs damdy can maybe also be a thing.


On March 19 2017 07:42 disformation wrote:
guess it should have been: especially into tumblewood and eden.
eden had a real strange vote and tw and real strange eod.


I'm not sure I follow since those posts seem to square up with your current reads of Eden/ TW being scummy.


who cares if he agrees with me? it's day 1 for me.

promising activity (especially useless activity like VCA on day 1 votes alone) and not delivering

strange.

disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 18:57 GMT
#1026
huh?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 18:58 GMT
#1027
meant to post:

Damdred (3) - raynpelikoneet, Koshi, DeepBlueSea89, Eden1892
disformation (0) - Calix, Xatalos, Koshi
Raynpelikoneet (2) - Malongo, Tumblewood, Xatalos
Calix (0) - disformation, Eden1892
Onegu (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
darthfoley (1) - disformation, Tumbleweed
Malongo (6) - darthfoley, Koshi, disformation, Calix, Damdred, Xatalos
Tumblewood (0) - Xatalos
Koshi (0) - Onegu
DeepBlueSea (1) - Onegu
Rels (1) - Rels

general observation: scum probably spread out as hell. doesnt help us now, might be useful to remember later.

reasons for voting n stuff:


rels: voting himself to not get modkilled. itself fairly NAI. getting annoyed that he hasnt done jack all game. null, starting to get scum points though.


eden::
On March 19 2017 03:28 Eden1892 wrote:
##VOTE: Damdred

let's see what happens

into the weird plan thing, that was already discussed.


onegu: voting DPS (the guys who said he is replacing out). reasons feel very onegu though. So blank null.


koshi: early on mal. looks a bit of a poe to me. after voting me and onegu before that he decides that mal looks the worst and votes him.
On March 18 2017 00:59 Koshi wrote:
Calix
DBS
rayn
darth
Xata
Damdred
Tumblewood
disfo
Rels
Eden1892
Onegu
Malongo

Something like this.

##unvote
##vote Malongo

a few mentions of mal before that though. so kinda makes sense. since he had 0 time to play, its hard to tell if he was really caring for the lynch etc.. overall I would like koshi to pick it up a bit again. agreeing with calix in overall downgrading koshi a bit.


rayn:
comes in with scumreads on xata, damdred and mal. with damdy #1 and mal #2. votes damdred, is cool with the mal lynch. some ppl said he should have pushed for damdy more, but I can see town being happy with their top 2 scum reads being a wagon each. so not too worried here based on the votings.


darthfoley:
probably the best case on malongo, votes him on that a bit later.
On March 18 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote:
The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 12:27 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:57 darthfoley wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.


Why do you think we're on the same team

i.e. why are you town reading me?

Just a first impression. Mostly because your position about null reading ryan and because you are calling me out. Don´t expect me to post substance anyways. My goal today is not to lynch Damdred/disformation.


The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons:

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo

I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.

My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.

So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.

##ryanpelikoneet

Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.


This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone

later adds:
On March 18 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote:
I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden

I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.

Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi.
Top scum is Calix.

Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.

I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote:
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.

1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read
2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads
3) "look how much work i already did"

if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place


I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.

That's about all I got that I think matters right now.


If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.

What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?

Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.

He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.

So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.


This is the main reason I voted on him. The first half of this is actually rather townie, but the failure to act on it and try to actively drive a wagon elsewhere is what makes me feel like he might be mafia either trying to save a partner or white-knighting after the lynch of a T

dont see a problem here. made a case on mal. first to vote. mal never posts anything making reconsidering.


tumblewood
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 18:58 GMT
#1029
as you see i am working on it -.-
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 19:01 GMT
#1034
On March 20 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:58 disformation wrote:
as you see i am working on it -.-


halfway done and you have all null reads! useful.

strange.

eden is probably scum.
rels is null > scum lean.
oneg null.
darthfoley town lean.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 19:03 GMT
#1036
koshi town lean.
rayn town lean.

if you want that ordered:

[town]
rayn / df
koshi
1eg
rels
eden
[scum]
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 19:05 GMT
#1041
On March 20 2017 04:00 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 03:58 disformation wrote:
as you see i am working on it -.-


halfway done and you have all null reads! useful.

strange.

actually did you even read my post?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 19:45 GMT
#1063
okay. where was I.
tumblewood
strongly suspicious of rayn. kinda waffles on/off that wagon a lot near deadline.
spoiler cause long:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 19 2017 02:33 Tumblewood wrote:
oh shit i forgot to change my vote
guess that's what we have onegu for. i don't really wanna end up on him by the end of the day though, i have some decision making to do

On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him
someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim

(malongo was a town lean earlier)
On March 19 2017 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
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On March 19 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote:
okay great filter sesh!
where i am at

town, i think
calix
disfo
eden
malongo
dbs
koshi?

needs more examination but their filters were kinda long
rayn
damdred
xata
koshi?

bad
rels
onegu

scummy
df


Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal

willing-ish just then because plynches are never bad but the wagon is so sketchy that I am swinging back to no

On March 19 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote:
I kinda don't wanna lynch rayn either though because who wants to be *that guy* who mislynches rayn d1?
I will keep my vote on him but I'll have to force myself to

On March 19 2017 06:46 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn/damdred is the pair that makes the most sense to me given vote logic. malongo wagon formed easily without rayn's vote. and then koshi as a third or something? trying to make a whole team on d1 is a bad idea and I feel bad already
oooooh this could also mean mal town rayn town
hnnnnggnggngngnnfmd

On March 19 2017 06:53 Tumblewood wrote:
if I had to decide right now, to answer df, it would be malongo who I don't see being useful for either side but tells us a lot more than rels or onegu. and then I'd lynch rayn if mal flips town


tbh. after rereading it, it kinda makes no sense to me as either alignment.
Only explanation for the mal town lean was:
On March 18 2017 13:46 Tumblewood wrote:
and actually i would like to give malongo the benefit of the doubt for today. it is a tone thing. seems fickle and all over the place, which is ok and encouraged in tumblewood's townable world

Though. I can kinda understand downgrading mal to a plynch after mal coming back to do nothing.

Like town could have been waffly at deadline. TW also could be scum being worried to look bad for being on the wrong wagon. which could explain the:
- but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about

from:
On March 19 2017 08:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I will explain the thought process just a little more and from then on I will not give a useful response
ok:

- before leaving, I got real suspicious of rayn
- when I came back, I saw malongo was still afk and I was like "a plynch isn't the end of the world"
- then I saw the votes and switched back to malongo as a bad wagon
- then (internally) I mulled over rayn as being useful compared to malongo, switched back to being but still on rayn
- I saw calix's post about shenannies being bad and decided not to go after rayn
- but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about
- after deadline I realized a shenanny was probably not that bad because most of the active players were town

I doubted myself okay

as in being overly conscious about how he looks to the thread.

Not impossible to come from town, but I am leaning scum on that.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:01 GMT
#1068
i guess that means you disagree with my point on tumble?
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:06 GMT
#1071
On March 20 2017 05:04 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 05:01 disformation wrote:
i guess that means you disagree with my point on tumble?


There was a point?

Reading your "well maybe he has an alignment" post made me so demotivated that I'm not even sure you believe it yourself.

And if you don't believe it then why should I? As you note, there is plenty of doubt about Tweedledumb's alignment around EOD.

yeah. fine. if you ppl dont read my posts at all i just can stop posting them.

the point that his "paranoia" can very well be mafia being paranoid of looking bad of what is soon to be a lynched town.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:09 GMT
#1073
On March 20 2017 05:09 Calix wrote:
I'm town-reading Tweedledumb because every fucking time someone pressures him, he consistently comes back with extremely townie responses and reactions to things which might not subscribe to conventional wisdom as to what townies 'should' do but look genuine nonetheless. He isn't trying to look good either; something I believe mafia in this game would aim to do. Case in point, his response to rayn and open admission of not having any proper scum-reads/ wanting to vote someone who had not posted.

Also he seems like the easy scum-read for most people right now and it's giving me deja-vu vibes a la Malongo.

wouldnt the "easy" scumread be eden?
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:14 GMT
#1078
On March 20 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 05:06 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 05:04 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 05:01 disformation wrote:
i guess that means you disagree with my point on tumble?


There was a point?

Reading your "well maybe he has an alignment" post made me so demotivated that I'm not even sure you believe it yourself.

And if you don't believe it then why should I? As you note, there is plenty of doubt about Tweedledumb's alignment around EOD.

yeah. fine. if you ppl dont read my posts at all i just can stop posting them.

the point that his "paranoia" can very well be mafia being paranoid of looking bad of what is soon to be a lynched town.


We would barely notice, scumformation

I don't see why scum!Tweedledumb would have even bothered posting what he did at EOD. Makes no sense to come in, fumble around between wagons and basically do nothing but look extremely and overtly suspicious for NO gain.

why would town!tw post that then? thats my problems, as described in the earlier post. doesnt make a lot of sense as either alignment. so it goes both ways aaand is a bit of a too scummy to be scum argument again.

i also admit that it is not full lockdown slam dunk scum, but i think it has a decent chance to come from scum. so a scum lean.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:15 GMT
#1080
On March 20 2017 05:11 Calix wrote:
No, because Tweedledumb is lynch-bait and Eden has only been mislynched like, once before as town.

don't think I ever played with eden, so that is good to know actually.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:20 GMT
#1087
hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon.
but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck?
like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then...

still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:23 GMT
#1092
On March 20 2017 05:21 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 20 2017 05:20 disformation wrote:
hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon.
but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck?
like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then...

still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD


The only reasons I can see are

1) giving an excuse to himself for possibly voting to save rayn as deadline approaches

OR

2) genuinely being confused and perhaps not being entirely logical

yeah, guess that makes more sense after all.
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Germany8352 Posts
March 19 2017 20:25 GMT
#1095
On March 20 2017 05:22 Koshi wrote:
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On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him
someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim

Can somebody explain to me what this meant?

ah we were just discussing tw's eod.
he had a weak town lean on malongo earlier, but put him down to a plych, after malongo came in to a bunch of votes on him and gave no reads.
so he was like "its an okay plynch, but i would rather lynch a scum read of mine"
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