On March 20 2017 08:33 Calix wrote:
Also it's quite amazing that even when I point out how useless disformation has been, nobody cares.
Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check!
Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check!
Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner!
Don't understand how me being widely town read makes me scum.
Don't understand how me being not discussed makes me scum either.
On March 20 2017 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah disformation is a suddenly a good candidate for mafia.
y tho?
On March 20 2017 08:44 darthfoley wrote:regarding disformation
1. his vote on me was poopstick. he scum reads me for like a day because of an apologetic post I made towards Xata for being wrong about something lol. never really explains it
2. i looked extensively for his reasoning for voting Malongo and didn't find much. I also think it's a little weird that he voted for Malongo (and I started Malongo's wagon in terms of voting, provided the second case, etc.) when he was still sort of scum reading me the hardest.
Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote:
i think in my brain its kinda like:
df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn
after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote:
Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal.
Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
Didn't really explain why he felt better about me. He also never attempted to really steer the wagon towards me even though he said i was most scum. Which is basically the reason he parroted from me to vote for Malongo. He town leans me for tone but again, that is such an easy lean for people to make.
Since then, I agree that disformation has been talked about probably less than anyone else in the game, which is quite weird considering how shaky his play was early D1.
...
1)
On March 17 2017 17:51 disformation wrote:Not a fan how DF mentions this:
Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote:
actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
but then goes on to ignore xata/damdy/me
point was that i makes 0 sense for you to mention edens post and then ignore the whole mess that build up on the back of that. I also think I had another post saying though. here:
On March 17 2017 23:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 23:24 Calix wrote:On March 17 2017 23:20 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 22:56 Calix wrote:On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me.
On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes.
Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was.
I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former.
Mh. Well TW didnt comment on a bunch of stuff.
But after DF's mention on Xata's reaction to the setup stuff I was very sure that he would comment on the xata/damdy/me stuff, it is really odd to me that he didn't.
Can kinda see the point on Mal though. Like the result of his posts was him avoiding taking stances, voting on a dead wagon and gtfoing with all options open.
also bleeds in into:
2)
where i from the above two points go into:
On March 17 2017 23:43 disformation wrote:
mh. wasnt aware that mal used to play here back in the day.
think i'll move him at least below tw.
On March 18 2017 00:25 disformation wrote:hm the damdred thing isnt that easy. like for some reason I remember seeing more posts that I liked. damdy is a good scum player though, so these are probably not outside his scumrange.
Stuffs I liked.
This looked like he was legit unsure about my alignment:
Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 09:28 Damdred wrote:
As for my thoughts on disformation in not sure.
I think there is a huge mmicommunication and we are somewhere list in translation. Like the whole argument might be kinda bad because I think he was looking for a real reason I was scum reading xata.
But still doesn't make a lot of sense meh.
But he's sometimes super defensive on town so I just need more time to evaluate him tbh.
You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself.
I didn't mind the xata/calix reads:
Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote:
Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
and the mal/tw ones here:
Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:
I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
though koshi/rayn pointed out some weak points in damdred's posting. not entirely sure what to make of it.
i dont think this game it outside of damdred's scum range.
guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/
On March 18 2017 00:53 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 00:28 disformation wrote:On March 18 2017 00:25 Koshi wrote:On March 17 2017 21:16 disformation wrote:
though i'd like koshi to explain why he switched from damdred to oneg like that.
Onegu is always a good place to leave your vote while rereading.
but what made you want to switch off of damdred in the first place?
Sleeping. And wanting to read the game with a "fresh" mind.
Hm. Fair enough. Imo scum is less likely to reevaluate reads like that.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 00:43 darthfoley wrote:As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.
I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.
These posts also blow
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.
this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (
duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort.
seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call
1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.
2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
The triggered part make me smile. Less likely to be scum. Lemme unvote.
Yes, my point on you wasnt that strong, so you do something I like and bam you suddenly look better than mal and tw. mal was simply the most scummiest player in the game. i vote him.
I also explain the movement on my list in the post here:
On March 18 2017 01:26 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:20 darthfoley wrote:On March 18 2017 01:17 disformation wrote:On March 18 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2017 01:10 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation?
Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote:Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing.
I'll try to make it as clear as possible:
1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself:
"Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?"
2. I read Xatas posts
"uh nothing?"
3. I read Xatas posts
"uh still nothing?"
4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?"
Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote:
And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like:
"wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote.
7. everyone blows up in my face
8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote.
9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm*
11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:20 darthfoley wrote:On March 18 2017 01:17 disformation wrote:On March 18 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2017 01:10 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation?
Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote:Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing.
I'll try to make it as clear as possible:
1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself:
"Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?"
2. I read Xatas posts
"uh nothing?"
3. I read Xatas posts
"uh still nothing?"
4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?"
Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote:
And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like:
"wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote:
Was expecting something better tbh.
Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote.
7. everyone blows up in my face
8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote.
9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm*
11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
last list:
Show nested quote +On March 17 2017 23:36 disformation wrote:On March 17 2017 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait disformation. How can Rels be more townie than "somewhere between null and town lean"?
He isnt?
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote:
i think in my brain its kinda like:
df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn
after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum.
so df most scum, you least scum.
since then I moved mal down below tw. move df up, above rels/1eg/eden. damdy down a bit, but not entirely sure where to put him atm. might want to move rayn, too. not sure.
will update fully later.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote:On March 18 2017 00:56 darthfoley wrote:On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
calix & disfo are town
I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation
malongo is a slight town lean
I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why
Damdred is ok? Koshi too
no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu
Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far?
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
tldr:
![[image loading]](http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/401/e37.png)
but you probably didnt read that post.
On March 20 2017 08:46 Calix wrote:
Yes it is. You would have thought that more people would have wanted to mislynch disformation or at least smear his name in discussions. But no, Rels and Onegu come up way more. It's weird.
Huh? YOU tried to ml me. Together with Xata. There were also multiple ppl N1 saying my stuff is weak sauce.
On March 20 2017 08:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 08:22 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote:
Eden
darthfoley
disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation Being boring doesn't make me scum.
Should have spend my Sunday playing something else. Put work into the game get scumread. Dont put work into the game get scumread.
I REALLY like how you start scumreading me for basically the same reasons damdred / df call you out for:
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote:
So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
Calix your bugging me atm...
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote:
Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
And arguing about bleh points like with over tw is exactly how you play scum.
gj on pocketing/buddying tw btw.
Calix also only starts calling me scum again after koshi did so.
timestamps:
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote:
Eden
darthfoley
disformation
On March 20 2017 08:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 08:22 darthfoley wrote:On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote:
Eden
darthfoley
disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation Kinda reminds me of how scum!rels was trying to get me mislynched in that qualifier game. his argument was him saying that i had 0 original thoughts that game, backed by faulty meta.
i dont mind being the counterwagon to someone who is very likely to flip scum, but dont let her deflect the lynch off eden.
i can somewhat see where df is coming from, but calix is scum.
eden/calix/x
if rayn is jk and right with his theory x is one of xata/koshi
otherwise it is probably just rels.
EPT
