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On February 14 2017 19:24 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:22 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:21 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2017 19:16 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:11 Superbia wrote:
TW's slot was super mafia, and all LS has done is "I'm town and I voted pass". so correct me if i'm wrong; your saying that you don't understand our read is actually that you didn't agree with it? we've already discussed tumble with you because we didn't agree with you, and i personally did not find your response to match how strong your read was as for ls now, i don't know. tonally i find it kinda town but i'm reluctant to go with that gut feel when i know that i have a soft spot - maybe even a blind spot - for ls, and lex also thought that ls was pretty quick with his reads...i forget who mentioned that first; maybe it was you. i think it was sorry, he got frustrated and went out walking, and i've been doing reading for class so if i'm not really plugged in to the conversation at present, that's why Okay, so: I'm considering you guys because: 1. There's probably mafia on this team. 2. We've had a lot of disagreements read-wise. 3. You seem to be content in keeping me status-quo mafia throughout the game. agreed on points 1 and 2 what makes you think point 3? It's the feeling I have had throughout the game. It may be unfair to just point you out, as it definitely it not the two of you. The only time I feel like you've really evaluated me is when you guys had the disagreement on d1.
lol i'm trying >< help me help myself. also help me help lex. you may not have noticed, but he finds it highly offensive to be scumread when he's trying so hard. it's not a rational thing he does, but personally i'd prefer to not take time out of all the work i have to do to get him back on an even keel over a forum game lol ><
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On February 14 2017 19:26 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:24 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:22 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote:On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game. Surprise surprise!!! Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy Hahaha Changing reads is a town-trait. that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you. But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end"
that can come from a townie mindset, to be fair. if you're resistance in this game, and everyone is reading you as spy, it actually is to a spy's advantage to keep that presumption going. also often those statements aren't serious. context is important
also you did say it about us >> i remember. cause it annoyed me that it was inaccurate. i try not to argue every time i see an inaccuracy though, or this thread would be much, much longer
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i can't remember ever being particularly good at reading you super :/
your current theory is us, correct? well, it's not us, though we may be scum-siding. in fact, since we liked that team, we definitely are, presuming it failed
help me understand why tumble's early play was definitely scum to you? as i said earlier, your previous explanation seemed very...uncertain...for such a certain read. i remember (unless i'm attributing this to the wrong player) you coming back and just announcing tumble was scum. that seemed like a really hard read. but your explanation just seemed more uncertain, and that still seems to be one of your strongest reads in the game
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On February 14 2017 19:31 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:26 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:24 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2017 19:22 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:21 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2017 19:16 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:11 Superbia wrote:
TW's slot was super mafia, and all LS has done is "I'm town and I voted pass". so correct me if i'm wrong; your saying that you don't understand our read is actually that you didn't agree with it? we've already discussed tumble with you because we didn't agree with you, and i personally did not find your response to match how strong your read was as for ls now, i don't know. tonally i find it kinda town but i'm reluctant to go with that gut feel when i know that i have a soft spot - maybe even a blind spot - for ls, and lex also thought that ls was pretty quick with his reads...i forget who mentioned that first; maybe it was you. i think it was sorry, he got frustrated and went out walking, and i've been doing reading for class so if i'm not really plugged in to the conversation at present, that's why Okay, so: I'm considering you guys because: 1. There's probably mafia on this team. 2. We've had a lot of disagreements read-wise. 3. You seem to be content in keeping me status-quo mafia throughout the game. agreed on points 1 and 2 what makes you think point 3? It's the feeling I have had throughout the game. It may be unfair to just point you out, as it definitely it not the two of you. The only time I feel like you've really evaluated me is when you guys had the disagreement on d1. lol i'm trying >< help me help myself. also help me help lex. you may not have noticed, but he finds it highly offensive to be scumread when he's trying so hard. it's not a rational thing he does, but personally i'd prefer to not take time out of all the work i have to do to get him back on an even keel over a forum game lol >< You can't blame me for being paranoid though. x;
i don't lol >< the only think i'm blaming you for is interrupting other things i should be doing ^^ if you knew lex you'd know we were 100% town just by how upset he's getting. i'm perfectly capable of faking emotion and most things as scum, mostly cause i hate it when people claim i'm cheating by being emotional as town. he is not. ego lol ><
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lord i lost my train of thought :/
sorry about that. i meant, we'll make an effort to try to see as many possibilites as we can, including a town you, super. all i'm asking is that you also do us the same courtesy. i'm not demanding that we be townread just because people are upsetting lex lol >< anyway, that analysis was all his, and i'm not 100% where he is on reads; i was busy all day yesterday and we haven't really sat down and discussed it today, other than looking at the votes and going that doesn't really look good @.@
he thought maybe ls was scum voting an all-town team...it is something a scum-ls would likely be capable of, but that's probably wishful thinking
as for sharkie, i don't know if lex has mentioned it cause again...yeah,..but i was getting a sense of stubborn, unchanging reads from him that lex wanted to look into
sorry if you're resistance, sharkie, but you started giving me the heebie jeebies a bit ago
kinda don't want to get too into reads cause i know my game sense is hardly complete :/ but yeah
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On February 14 2017 19:36 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
i can't remember ever being particularly good at reading you super :/
your current theory is us, correct? well, it's not us, though we may be scum-siding. in fact, since we liked that team, we definitely are, presuming it failed
help me understand why tumble's early play was definitely scum to you? as i said earlier, your previous explanation seemed very...uncertain...for such a certain read. i remember (unless i'm attributing this to the wrong player) you coming back and just announcing tumble was scum. that seemed like a really hard read. but your explanation just seemed more uncertain, and that still seems to be one of your strongest reads in the game I have multiple theories at this point in time. As for tumble, it mainly comes down to: 1. People are townreading me. 2. TW comes into the thread and attempts to devalue the townread while giving no read on me. This is an obvious mafia play. 3. I pressure him and he concludes I'm mafia based on (iirc) nothing. Like I'm just suddenly mafia. 4. TW is then just perpetually afk throughout the game.
nh. i remember him being one of the first to seem to be trying to figure out the game by voicing suspicion on you, and that was one of the reasons i at least was leaning town on him early; perhaps i should look at that closer
it does make sense that shade without a commit would seem scummy to you if you're resistance. as for afk, tumble is not...well...what i would call a high-activity or reliable player anyway. if it makes you feel any better, his not scumreading us kept pricking at me lol >< i think we're obviously town but tumble hard scumread me for bullshit while making up reads and lying, all as town, last game i played with him. it seemed like maybe i should see more of that from a town tumble...or maybe he learned not to be a tard last game because of it...so i ended up kinda nullish on that and just uncomfortable
but the early probing had me townleading\
hold on; i'll look again
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On January 28 2017 14:47 Tumblewood wrote:
yeah I see no reason to TR superbia for what he's done this game... he's instituted some official unofficial rules, but that sort of stuff is NAI in my book. also he's been gone for the last 15 hours now out of ~30, so could you please explain (sw/ika), why you think he's town?
eh i don't really read this the same way you interpreted it, tbh. it looks more like probing for silver's alignment than making a judgment on yours
on the other hand, it is awfully reasonable. and part of me feels bad for reading anyone this way, but tumble doesn't exactly strike me as a reasonable person. if he's spy for anything, i'd say it's that, not the above post
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On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x;
lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at
i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk
@sharkie
i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax.
then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed
- silver was town practically instantly in your eyes
- so were we
- sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing
none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you
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On February 14 2017 19:57 Superbia wrote:
Wut about his read progression on me? Which goes:
1. Superbia has done nothing townie this game.
2. Superbia is possibly town for being in charge (??? bit of a conflict with 1).
3. Superbia could be leading shitty mafia team mates to a victory (10 after point 2, I think this is actually townie).
4. No change, I'm just mafia for the rest of the game at this point.
Point 1 I found suspicious.
Point 2 is weird, as it gives a townlean for me for things that were "not townie" first.
Point 3 I like, at it showcases someone quickly changing their mind after making one point.
Point 4 is pretty scummy imo.
i'll poke at lex to dig into this. he just walked back in the door. at the very least, i do believe you could have this reaction as resistance lol >< i only got as far as his early play, not his whole read progression
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On February 14 2017 20:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x; lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter. - I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed. - Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc... - SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play. - EC: well, no comment there - TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super) - vivax: town to spy - silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against) - RT: neutral->good So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O
It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong 
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I'll look through Tumble again later. Right now we have dinner to start preparing!
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On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 08:52 Vivax wrote:
Tbf tho id put ls over super in the team after cause ls would be like a hammer vote one scum while super almost had to approve. This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail.
The only time this matters is if we pass this mission. Otherwise it just pushes our problems forward to the last mission where we do need a spyless 5-man mission.
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If it's SL Grack is never mafia btw. EC posted this Grack defense based on SL being mafia and I don't believe for a second that scum EC is ballsy enough to say scum Grack is town because scum SL is scum.
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On February 07 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:Hmm I looked into grack but I'm not sure. Look at these posts: Show nested quote +On February 05 2017 15:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I might be slightly stupid, but I swear this mission is going to fail. This game is way too easy right now. And the spy isn't Vivax. It's one of Silver/sharkie. Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
my team makes sense to me. I'm pretty sure the next mission is going to fail.
Silverika is too indignant to be scum.
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Tumblewood/Artanis are both like "I think Grack could definitely be scum here. Full steam ahead guys!"
##Accept. Plus Tumblewood is super blendy while Rtanisoul seems to mainly be trying to buddy Silver.
Everyone else seems to be showing at least some level of skepticism over the team. I think we are (were) at similar points in this game. Another issue with grack as scum for me, is that when I look at sl's play it completely turned at mission 1. I'm thinking through if sl passes mission 1 for a town read on either sharkie/silver. If you look at all the reasons that he fails attempt 3 vs attempt 4: it's grack not on the team, leader not on the team, and not silver nominating VS silver on the team anyways, sharkie on the team, and leader still not on team. I don't see how town sl votes down my team by votes up vivax's team, so sl as scum conditions my read on grack as well. Also given this: Show nested quote +On February 04 2017 01:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Right now I see the game in terms of 3 groups (listed in no particular order):
The definite town:
Grackaroni
Silverika
The townie feels
Artanisoul
Vivax
Sharkie
The people without townie feels
Emperorchampion
The one of these two is scum group
Tumblewood
Superbia
The definite scum
Sicklucker
I still think at least one of Super/Tumble will be red. Don't see grack/sl, putting his team mate at the bottom, don't think scum usually does that. Especially since I think that grack has pretty easy out for a town read on sl earlier. Pretty sure given the interactions silver/sl is not a team. Maybe I'm just mega tunneled but I'm also running out of places to look, I'm in an sl/sharkie world right now.
This one.
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On February 15 2017 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:Can't we just say that it's never Grack?
Unless you're with vivax it does seem exceedingly unlikely.
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I do have a mild tinfoil on that conspiracy theory but havent delved into it at all.
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On February 15 2017 06:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2017 02:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
If it's SL Grack is never mafia btw. EC posted this Grack defense based on SL being mafia and I don't believe for a second that scum EC is ballsy enough to say scum Grack is town because scum SL is scum. i can confirm I am not the mafia
I'm very much relieved now. Thanks SL.
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On February 15 2017 06:11 sicklucker wrote:
but ec is pretty confirmed as mafia and I think its pretty clear were not together. you dont bus that hard in this game
With how dead in the water you looked at the time I don't find this a very convincing argument.
I have a nagging feeling that LS is mafia though mainly for how he suddenly had all these reads just coming into the game. Feels atypical of him, and if I'm right it would have to be with Vivax (technically also possible with Silver but that slot is just town according to both play and dick move analysis)
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I would be incredibly impressed by Vivax' play here if he's scum though. Balls of steel.
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You're terrible at tone reads, silver is never a spy here.
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