EPTWould need to take a closer look at how people positioned themselves by the time that mission rolled around. I don't think it's necessarily true due to thread sentiment being in favour of the mission though it is likely that at least one spy voted against it.
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RtaniSoul
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Would need to take a closer look at how people positioned themselves by the time that mission rolled around. I don't think it's necessarily true due to thread sentiment being in favour of the mission though it is likely that at least one spy voted against it. | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading Silver mostly based on attitude. I also have different standards for what I expect from different players. Do you have any history with Silver? | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:16 Vivax wrote: Yea explain why I put resistance sharkie instead of spy rtanisoul into a team for starters, and then proceed to argue my ass off with them all day. Stop piggybacking my arguments, it's unnerving | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On February 08 2017 01:20 Grackaroni wrote: It just makes sense for me as a plausible explanation for the vote count on the first mission. My 2 premises I got from reading through the thread this morning were that sharkie is town and Silver is town. From there I need Vivax to be mafia because this mission passed. But the first mission is very unlikely to go through if the scum team is Vivax + 2 people who aren't being town read (Say Sicklucker/EC). Things would make a lot more sense for me if the team was You/Vivax, because you both could reasonably approve the mission as scum knowing that it won't cost you the game in this scenario. What I don't understand is that I've been saying pretty much the same as sharkie as well as a lot of other things, yet you don't townread me. Why? I do follow your logic on why it doesn't make sense for a spy to vote for the first one if it was clean unless they have a good presence. One explanation I see is that if it didn't go through, silver would get a mission and it'd auto pass and silver's reads did not include scum for his choices. Another would be that at least this way they can get cred for voting for a passed mission. | ||
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Sometimes I wonder if you just decide to call me scum all game long before it's even started | ||
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I believe at least one of silverika, grackaroni, sharkie and vivax is a spy. | ||
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On February 08 2017 07:07 Superbia wrote: Where do you even get your reads from? Rels gives me secret spoilers. | ||
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On February 08 2017 07:03 RtaniSoul wrote: Guys I believe at least one of silverika, grackaroni, sharkie and vivax is a spy. Can't figure out who it is though  | ||
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Votes: On January 29 2017 07:05 Rels wrote: The team consisting of RtaniSoul, Silverika, Superbia has been rejected. Votes for: sharkie, Silverika. Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Superbia, Tumblewood, Vivax. Calix did not vote (counted as reject). Calix has been warned for not voting. Team Leader Tumblewood will now make Attempt #2 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Sunday, Jan 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . On January 31 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, Tumblewood, Vivax has been rejected. Votes for: Tumblewood. Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Superbia, Vivax. Calix did not vote (counted as reject). Calix has been replaced be emperorchampion. Team Leader emperorchampion will now make Attempt #3 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Tuesday, Jan 31 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . On February 02 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Silverika, Superbia, Tumblewood has been rejected. Votes for: emperorchampion, Silverika. Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Superbia, Vivax. Tumblewood did not vote (counted as reject). Tumblewood has been warned for not voting. Team Leader Vivax will now make Attempt #4 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Thursday, Feb 02 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . On February 04 2017 07:00 disformation wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika has been approved. Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax. Votes against: emperorchampion, Superbia. The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage. Deadline/Mission results on Saturday, Feb 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . On February 07 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika, Vivax has been approved. Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax. Votes against: emperorchampion, sharkie, Superbia. The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage. Deadline/Mission results on Tuesday, Feb 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Superbia, why have you voted against every single team so far? EC, can you take us through your vote process? Tumble, what would you have voted on attempt 3 of mission 1 if you were there? | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On February 08 2017 16:23 Vivax wrote: It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy I think he wants you to believe you are the spy. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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^ cause i explained it to him  though to be fair, he's still very convinced sharkie is town (resistance whatevs) based on feels. but mainly it comes down to grack being so adamant that it must be vivax...as town i'd expect him to be more leery of the other two on the first mission with him, but instead he goes straight to it's the new guy!there's more spy motive to that than town...namely, if you say it's the new guy loud enough maybe no one looks to the original three | ||
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RtaniSoul
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The main argument to defend Grack is that he could've failed the first mission and sharkie would've been blamed, but since that's what everyone would expect him to do as spy it's the perfect thing to pad your towncred with down the line. It creates a much higher chance to be on two missions. | ||
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That's not to say we feel SL is clearly town, but we're leaning ever so slightly in that direction. | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:34 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah but in this case he would be one of them, so he needs to find 4 of the remaining 5. and this one On February 07 2017 03:42 Grackaroni wrote: lol ok I'll vote accept. Happened pretty quickly. It also doesn't really jive with how he's been someone who likes to keep his votes secret: On January 28 2017 03:33 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to keep my vote a secret. A mission like the last one would benefit a lot from not knowing whether Grack would vote for or against it if he's town, as it'd give a lot more information due to Grack's position as a potential tiebreaker. As a spy, however, it's in his best interests to let his team know that he wants the mission to pass. | ||
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Sharkie, there's two reasons from my side. The first is that the reasons to townread Grack for me has always been what he's done rather than how he's done it. The two reasons to townread Grack beyond some of his content are that the first mission passed when he could've failed it and let the blame hit you, and that he scumread vivax when he could've joined the sharkie/rtan hate train. The first can be explained by the fact that if he's a spy, grack is probably their carry. Failing the first mission is more likely to get him scrutiny down the road as many people have used this argument to call him town. The second I believe comes from TMI. He knows you're resistance and reading what you've posted it looks really townie to him, plus it seems like something that spies are unlikely to do which has been the foundation of his townread. The second is that all the three others have done things I find much more unlikely to come from scum. Silverika has pushed the thread forward a myriad of times and his reads have been rigid at times yet flexible at others, most notably in their return just now where he got off the rtan/sharkie is def spies train to re-eval that. They aren't in a rush to draw a conclusion either. I went through their filter a bit yesterday and found it impossible to see a spy narrative there. Vivax is harder to explain and simple at the same time. He sucks at scum and unless he has a strong team is unlikely to try hard. Additionally, the weird things he's done just don't have the predictable townread consequences that grack has. Forcing yourself not to be on a team even when everyone TR's you doesn't make sense for scum. He also feels like he was way too smug about "catching" us which I have difficulty seeing coming from scum Vivax. | ||
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On February 09 2017 00:47 sharkie wrote: What is wrong with you all? Suddenly Grack is everyone's favourite guy to hit upon? How can anyone turn from most trusted guy (wanted on the team by literally everyone) to the dumping ground of mistrust. And the most surprising thing out of all is how vivax and RT totally forgot their vendetta with each other and suddenly are best buddies (not saying that both of them are spies). I don't think I have ever seen anyone jump up so high in trust as vivax did while being in a failed mission. Everyone can imagine Grack being the mastermind from the shadows, manipulating everyone from day one. Yesterday most didn't even bother listening to what I was saying how good spies don't play it the conventional way and you believed that I have to be obvious spy 100% (with the exception of RT). If you can consider Grack being a spy then surely silver can be a spy too (not saying that they are but has to be kept in mind). Way too many people are ganging up on Grack (math wise). Also I even read how SL could be a possible resistance player, now that is one thing I cannot imagine at all. That guy doesn't care one bit about what is happening in the game. He doesn't even know who was sent out for the second mission.. Now I expect I get shit for defending Grack just like RT did yesterday for defending me... are way too many people ganging up on grack? you said math-wise so it sounds like you counted sl just doesn't have much of a reason to do a few things he's done as scum. the biggest one for me is closing his option to put us on a scum team together with you...obviously since we know we're town that carries more weight for us than it would for others, but there it is | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On February 09 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote: I actually think that's a pretty reasonable POE. But pretend for a second that I am town and you know that I am town. Which one of the three is mafia? ??? how exactly do you think it's a reasonable PoE when the PoE leads to you? like it literally says "everyone else is posting townie, and our main reason to townread grack was the success of the first mission" you're not making sense | ||
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