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On December 02 2016 05:11 Rels wrote: hahaha =D The links you posted are NAI for HF, he can be super annoying as either alignment. The first things you're saying are the best actually. He COULD be scum playing the "I don't really care about this game" card but I don't think so anymore, because his reads flow and change logically, and more importantly, I don't have the feeling that he's hiding behind tunnels to not do anything else. First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird. Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points. Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned. Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader. Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept? Now look at his defenses. On December 02 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote: I honestly don't get how anyone can say I haven't been active either. I've made a lot of cases and good pushes. Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory. On December 02 2016 05:36 Holyflare wrote: It's also not pathetic in the slightest. I get tunneled on people that call me mafia almost exclusively and rels looks kind of the same so giving each other breathing room is the best thing to do. Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone. On December 02 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote: So many reasons. The primary one being I'm not a retard. Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die. Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there. I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me. "But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer "But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued. Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me. He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go. And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor" Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no. TLDR: ##vote Holyflare | ||
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But... Shapelog actually dropped a post telling us about the delays. Shapelog had not yet a chance to defend himself. I want to see his defense. And he will have to will all the shit thrown at him. Why waste an day waiting for this? Like I go through various scenarios in my mind and I don't see how this train is helping town right now. 1) Shapelog is scum 1a) He gets lynched in the in end, either because lack of defense, sucky defense or whatever. Easy game. Okay, This is the dream scenario. In this case nothing was done wrong here. 1b) He comes back, defends himself convincingly, now we look for an alternative. As we were fooled by shapelog we most likely get a mislynch here if he deflects it right. - this could be entirely avoided, if we do the scum hunting for his mate before he comes back. Also losing time is certainly bad. 2) Shapelog is town 2a) gets lynched anyway. Again, a dream scenario. Just not for town. We basically circlejerk 48 hours on shlog, then get a mislynch and suddenly the game is really damn wide open 2b) he finally shows up, makes a convincig defense, we move off him. Still... time is lost. My point is: Even if shapelog is scum. There is another scum too. If shapelog comes back, his defense sucks, LYNCH HIM. Don't hesitate a second then. But don't sit here, waiting and praying/assuming the easiest case (1a), which is probably an autowin. This idling around does not even commit his mate to anything. His mate will not magically pop up and be like "HEY GUYS; SHAPELOG CONFIRMED TOWN" Hell, even in scenario one, shapelogs mate profits from this shit. Scum shows when they have to commit. If we autopilot a shapelog kill... Nothing will come from it. So stop being lazy and play. | ||
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On December 02 2016 07:45 Tictock wrote: Shit Koshi you played too well and got yourself shot. Not the worst thing ever though as we seem to have a pretty good handle on this game without extra blue info. This is a post I simply don't like. This does not instantly make TT cuz, but it spreading a mindset I simply have troubles with. You don't lose your cop, tell him he played too well, but no worries, easy win and then turns into idle mode with the Shlog train. | ||
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On December 02 2016 07:49 Tictock wrote: I'm kinda assuming it's setup #3 with a flipped Framer and Cop. Maybe JK decided he had a better TR on someone else, also possibly got RB'd. And this is the second TT post I really don't like. Like to make this post, you have to be either completely passed out (it isn't that late in the US yet, is it?) or you are actively spewing, hoping for a townie to pick it up. First of all, there is no indication of this being setup #3. If he bothered looking at the setups, he should have seen this can be #1 or #3. And then, if he really thinks this is #3. What is he talking about JK being RBed? JK can't be RBed. There is no RB in #3. And there is no JK in #1. Now I know people love to townread for "oh... this slip... naaaahhh, scum would never ever do that, also they know the setup" And this is my issue with this post. This mentality is so common that "accidentally" spewing that is really damn easy. But maybe it is just me... But I can't imagine mytownieself, opening post#1, checking for which setup it is, and then make such a mistake. (okay, maybe I could, when being in the same shape as I was when I did my last filterdives... but not getting those vibes from TT) Combined with the previous thing... This makes me really rethink my judgement of TT. Like still, all his actions can be explained in a townie and a scummy way. So far I sided with his actions being more likely to be townie. But those 2 are imho more likely to come from scum. Brings him back to full neut at this point and pretty high up in my "should certainly check this guy again" priority list. | ||
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CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out. Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill! There is at least one active scum around. And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker. Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum. If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum. | ||
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On December 02 2016 09:42 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2016 09:25 mahrgell wrote: First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird. Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points. Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned. Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader. Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept? Now look at his defenses. Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory. Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone. Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die. Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there. I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me. "But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer "But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued. Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me. He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go. And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor" Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no. TLDR: ##vote Holyflare We not lynching HF today unless for some reason something happens that make us lynch someone else. Who are we? Speak for yourself. I very willing to lynch HF for what he has shown so far and if he continues doing exactly that. I don't see the much fabled benefit of keeping him around until late. Sure, if shlogs defense sucks, kill him. But until then? HF it is for me. | ||
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I really didn't want to post but I just had to let it out. Wouldn't sleep anyway. | ||
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Just read through, at least my rant about time being wasted was unwarranted it seems. (or did it achieve its purpose as wakeupcall?^^) I guess I will just answer going through, but ignore everything regarding SL and its implications for now... This certainly deserves an extra post. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:14 Tictock wrote: While I agree with the general sentiment of your rant (I don't get the reverence people have for HF either) what did you make of my reasons to TR him? Not just the stuff about EoD either, the stuff I mentioned as townpoints in my list post. Uhm, I actually considered those but in the end it felt like were are moving into WIFOM territory too much here. Like I have again and again looked into the possibility of NU "dying for the team". I really wanted to believe this is true. And I completely and utterly failed over and over to find it. Koshi is townconfirmed, I stand with my opinion on Emp, if it was for SL then it was awfully executed (and more SL once im done with the regular stuff here..) Well, I know my own alignment. So at this point, and imho this fits the way NU played the entire day, NU was completely and utterly shellshocked. This wasn't the great sacrifice play of the year. This was NU, who back of several warnings to change his toxic meta suddenly rolled scum for the first time and had no fucking clue what to do. + Show Spoiler + not relevant to my reads, but at this point I want to say props to NU: Yes, the play deserves a lot of flak most likely. But it would have been the easiest for him to go with "One more game" and just do what he always did. This play would have made for very easy scum play. And basically it was this expectation I had from scumNU and why I really couldn't believe he was scum for a very long time. But here he imho showed character and I value that very highly! Like I really tried to give him outs. All he had to do was drop some serious reads to convince me. He knows I'm a sucker for this. And without me he would have been at 3. Emp was around, and I felt he wasn't locked either. Koshi was fairly determined, and SL was completely gone, but still. But as others also concluded... He did absolutely nothing to get out of this shit. He rolled over and died. And this basically started when he went all "Koshi case so gud, gg" into repeat x100 "I'm town" So in the way I currently see the game, he did not die EoD1. He died way earlier. And this imho removes this argument of "HF would try to save his framer at EoD". At the same time, I feel like if there is an active scum, he would certainly push the "NU died for a greater cause, lets find it" narrative. So... not sure you had anything other going for HF, if so, please tell me what it is, but this isn't an argument for my view how the game went. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:22 Tictock wrote: First off, thanks for following your WoT posts with a one liner kus I don't want to quote a WoT on my phone. Second what's the problem with throwing down a vote right away? If Shape comes back and is super town you move the vote, otherwise just let it ride. We should use the time waiting for Shape to respond discussing who the last scum might be though. Don't want to waste the day age voting. My issue was with the attitude in the thread. All I saw when I looked into it were 3 people starting the day with "lets party, vote shlog, ggbye" (and a bunch of absolutely nonsensical HF posts...) Maybe it was also me being pissed about the general TL player attitude as pointed out in my HF post. But well... Let's take it for what is and call it a wakeup call. If it worked, great. If activity would have risen without it... Still not regretting it. | ||
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On December 02 2016 13:05 Tictock wrote: Nah it's totes possible man. Send the kill in via phone or w/e but don't have the energy to actually make posts. Shape even posted RIGHT after start of day, so even if CM8 is scum and has given up on the game then at least shape could have posted the kill. Maybe it's not Shape/CM8, but this is not a good reason why it's not them. You are assuming a little too much. Uhm, I actually had to read the rules aafter EoN because I was sure they would both be modkilled for not posting. My line of thought was, that it requires tremendous "balls" (but honestly I dont see it as something positive here) to risk getting modkilled for lack of activity. Both were warned, both didn't post the entire night. If they really played the "surely btdt wont dare to modkill us, and lets submit a NK while not posting" card, I will have serious respect issues, but at least to me this is not a viable play. But I don't really want to discuss modactions/kills, so let's drop this conversation. | ||
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On December 02 2016 13:47 Shapelog wrote: I am going to say it very clearly, and this goes for everyone. If your going to just ignore half of what I say in my posts. Then just tell me so I can focus on catching scum and not defending myself. There is nothing more I hate as town then when I try to actually be helpful and people just roll their eyes at me. It's been bothering me for a while. True, I sometimes don't "act" the ways to get that all the time. But I do expect when I do to be taken seriously and analzyed correctly. I'm sorry I had to prioritize my real life shit over this game. But life is life. This isn't. So if you going to as I said. Not read my posts seriosly, or with such a bias that you don' fully analzye what I have to say. Just tell me. I keep shut till the last hour and start posting my reads, scum list, and anything else worth sharing. For which u will have to look at without bias, without ingnoring me, because I would of had just flipped town. I will just go ahead and say: Please do you reads stuff. I read your later defense, I can follow some thoughts, I think a lot is WIFOM, but in the end, I certainly prefer the reads stuff and would prefer to judge you by that. And I guess I will ask some questions about your own actions later. | ||
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On December 02 2016 15:58 Holyflare wrote: Holy shit you spout so much nonsense. Oh woe is me, mafia must have an active player so it can't be Shapelog and cm8 even though shapelog LITERALLY POSTED AFTER THE DEADLINE AND LEFT AGAIN. I'm sorry if you don't like my play this game, that's your own fault though. I've tunneled 2-3 people and that's about 2-3 people more than: Shapelog Sicklucker Cm8 Onegu So why do you have such a big problem with exclusively my play? I've pushed rels logically and you sheeped literally all the points. I find it hard to believe you couldn't see the town intentions in my post when you literally agreed with 80% of them. I'm not going to change, Shapelog is still mafia and likely with cm8 or Onegu (simply because he hard defended me). Vote me if you want but it's a waste. You are again missing my point or deflecting it intentionally. My point is not, that you are the guy with the least content. My point is, that you massively cherry pick your content to put yourself in a corner where you can never be attacked for. I completely understand that this is very useful longterm for a player who has tons of games here and wants to play more. It makes town more relaxing and scum play easier. Like I even voiced my own concerns after last game, that with the style I play I will have huge issues to actually get a viable meta which does not get me killed. But I honestly don't care about your thoughts about your longterm meta. I care about this game. And I want you out of this corner. And if you really insist to stay there, you are scum to me. And this is really the main difference between you and those inactives(or formerly inactives). They are also completely lacking content. They are also sitting in a dark corner which could easily hide scum. But they did not over and over publicly refused and celebrated the fact that they won't leave it. They just stayed there by doing nothing. (I acknowledge that if they are reading the thread actively, laugh at me and simply don't post, they are doing the same as you... But I for now believe in them being really afk and at worst it is a coinflip, while your case is clear) | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. Uhm... your blue claims were fucking awful. Like I even mentioned it before EoN that you are protection baiting. And if you really got protection (which automatically means that you aren't blue, with Koshi flipping cop) this would be a damn sad affair. And instead of telling the world how retarded it was to not protect Koshi, you should probably point at yourself. | ||
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On December 02 2016 20:14 Holyflare wrote: And I'll tell you why you hate it so much. We've all played a lot of games together, we get a reputation. I am nkd night 1 to 2 almost every game I ever enter. People can't really read me so they rely on either me being killed or me pushing a mafia lynch to confirm myself. I'm not immune to being lynched, I've been lynched day 1 before easily. It happens. But to say that people treat me as some immune person and it annoys you when I'm playing like shit is wrong. They do that because I often step up my game as it goes on or I get the motivation to solve it. I also would argue I'm not playing like shit in the slightest when you have agreed with me at EVERY point in my game. If you didn't write so much I would without a doubt call you mafia. You've: Flat out agreed with my nu assessment and we shared that read. You pretty much copied and pasted my koshi read. You've sheeped my rels read and given the same points for town reading rels after I have. You share the same scum reads I do. At what point do you admit I'm solidly town? I don't read myself. I don't know if I would read myself as town. If you say I was looking exactly like you, than I would probably not do it. Then again I don't elieve we look the same, as I think I cover the entire game and respond to people instead of yelling out my town confirmedness. And your entire refusal to discuss my argument but bullshit repeat of why you are town is annoying me. Not sure how many times I said it this game or last game, but I do not believe that there are many "I am town because..." arguments. As you liked my Koshi rant, you should actually know that too. But for absurdly weird reasons this is what is ultra prominent here. I have no experience with forum mafia and it confuses me. But I play with my judgement I have gotten in RL mafia. And there I basically never accept those. Every statement made this way is entirely WIFOM. This is also why I usually insist on people doing reads on other people and commiting to stuff instead of defending themselves. And when I really look for defenses, I don't want them to tell me "LOCK TOWN CONFIRMED" HF style or "IM 100% TOWN, BELIEVE ME" NU style... But I want them to walk me through their thought process and intentions, so >>> I <<< can judge if this makes sense from a town perspective. If I'm on their ass, I certainly have a solid idea of how their actions would make sense as scum play. People trying to do that judgement for me what would make sense for them, if they were town and if they were scum... yeah... waste of time. | ||
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About shlog... I will wait for his second promised part. I don't feel like going through his stuff, than redoing everything i a few hours. Also his own reads interest me way more than his defense, even though I will reread his filter with his defense in mind once I'm onto that. and now I guess... SL time it is... | ||
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