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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 00:32 GMT
#688
On September 10 2016 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
but please tell me how any of what I posted is wrong and then maybe we can reach an understanding of how you are mafia

Sure thing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 00:45 GMT
#697
On September 10 2016 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
Grackaroni sin counter:

  • Chainsaw defends an afk ticktock
  • Hard defends an afk ticktock
  • Tries to meta the best mafia player on the site off of 2 games when there's about 100 in my profile and database even though he's played about 20 with me
  • Tries to base someone else's bad scummy play on HIS OWN meta as if everyone plays as badly as him:

    These were the posts in question. Does anyone agree with this assessment? They look like normal posts to me. I've definitely made posts like that as town.


    ^^^^^^^ WHO DOES THAT??????????

  • On September 09 2016 22:41 Grackaroni wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On September 09 2016 22:37 Holyflare wrote:
    Like people picking up on the semantics of the wording are bad and should feel bad. Sure he didn't say that mechanics are useless but his mindset is off from what he's actually posting and it looks solely like he's trying to skate by with low content posts.

    But which is it?! Is he trying to skate by with low content posts or is he not coming back from dinner?

    He did have a better start in that last game. If he's actually just bad at playing as mafia I'll vote him.

    Also I did not hard defend him. What I did is what we call in the business a "chain saw defense." The idea is to hit the accuser with the chain saw while the other scummer has him distracted.

    He acknowledges that Ticktock had a better start last game, completely and definitely better and ticktock has posted 0 new posts in this game yet grack is here hard defending ticktock from a push without letting him speak for himself despite agreeing with the sentiment that his two filters are different which would mean ticktock is actually mafia this game



Grackaroni mafia counter: Very, very, very high.

Here's the real list:

The most important thing here is that primarily this is a lurker lynch. As I think you seem to acknowledge. Thus we have the better list:

Holyflare hard pushes afk Ticktock.
Holyflare hides behind very thin substance for push on afk Ticktock
Grackaroni calls out Holyflare on suspicious push.

This isn't about my shitty meta. Everyone makes posts like that including (Gasp!) town Ticktock:
On November 26 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2015 00:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv can you tell us what do you think of Tictock and OO and comment on what has been brought on both of them?

how many games have you played with me now?

if I had something worthwhile to say about either, do you estimate the chances i'd just sit on it silently to be

a) low
b) very low
c) non-existent
d) eerily homosexual

?


I like this post ^.^

Marv prob town.

On September 15 2015 17:16 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 17:05 Vivax wrote:
The thing with the martyr is that he learns who gets killed and hence who is town during the night if I understand correctly, he should try to do some decent crumbs even at the risk of being too obvious.

And the witches only learn the roles of who they kill if their rolecop role survives.


I don't like this post

On September 16 2015 17:47 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:
I'm still waiting for Shining to answer, but I don't really think he's scum anymore. So let's unvote.
As he is the last member of the ULOUP, I'll vote Dandel Ion until he stops trolling. He will have to be super townie though, 'cause him actively lurking for the past day is scum indicative.

##DeadlineUnvote
##DeadlineVote Dandel Ion

If Dandel starts playing and is actually town, geript is my next scumread. Possibly Damdred if his meta read is crap like Shining affirmed. I still need someone to analyze it BTW.


I support this post.

These are just things that you say when you agree with a post.

For your games, those are just the two recent games that you've played excluding Palmar's because it was super themed and had no lynch.

And again, I'm not hard defending him, my posts are about you. If I'm mafia here he's probably town with me wanting to get some credit from defending him. As mafia I would probably take the same approach with him that I took with Rels when he afked throughout most of day1 after posting a bit at the start.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 00:49 GMT
#701
On September 10 2016 09:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2?user=Holyflare

BY THE WAY GUYS if Grackaroni's meta raeds weren't already 1000% genuine bull shit let's enlighten you to this filter!"

Here is Grackroni using something I said in this game to call my scummy:

Show nested quote +

The third thing was just the sheer certainty from Holyflare:
On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.



Now, how about people open this said filter from my town game that Grackaroni uses to portray me as mafia and let's peruse the VERY FIRST PAGE LOL:

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote:
yeh I could 100% lynch mderg

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 02:44 Holyflare wrote:
I have a pretty big hunch that SL is 100% mafia so it's not really a hunch but facts

On May 24 2016 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
didnt really read any of ls's posts but holyflare targeting the weak link is classic mafia stuff. Like we get it its easy to mislynch ls. im probably wrong but im gonna be an ass about it anyway


I definitely targeted a weaker person in this game and he hasn't said shit about it and super dodged everything about me later


I am definitely the same in other games.

Strike one Grackaroni!




NOW, I found a nice tidbit in my other game too:

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
Wow Tumblewood with the hard defending.

I said I didn't like his posts because they were stiff and ALSO that I looked at his other game where he was town and it was different completely, so two factors that lead up to him being scummy. Not to mention he hasn't posted since either.

Why have you completely bypassed the argument that I made and then made a new argument to defend him?

Also, SL comes in the thread and doesn't say anything about lynching me, definitely probably mafia.


this was from the Onegu game where I was town and pretty much have the exact same feelings as I do about Grackaroni in this game.

My play is almost the same (maybe I should try this tactic as mafia some day ) and somehow grack extrapolates that I'm mafia based on meta :D :D :D :D ok grack.

These are incredibly different scenarios. The Mderg quote was you saying you would be open to lynching Mderg after somebody suggested lynching him. The Sicklucker quote was something that you didn't follow through and never pushed. That's completely different from hard pushing some lurker with 5 posts for an entire day.

I have no idea what this TW thing is.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 00:51 GMT
#703
On September 10 2016 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 16:17 Holyflare wrote:
Hahahaha sicklucker you're 1000% mafia.

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 22:37 Holyflare wrote:
More than what.....?

The only real moves I've done this game are started a wagon on probable mafia and cop checked to confirm. I'd say I've been 100% right so far.

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 23:00 Holyflare wrote:
So like i said before, 100% right.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2016 07:16 Holyflare wrote:
Here is my perspective which is what I was trying to highlight and what admittedly GB thought was weird the entire day (because it was weird). I am town and now evidently GB is town and that definitely highlights irregularities from mafia's perspective of this whole claim thing.

We have several candidates flagged for mafia at this point and I'll rank them from the most likely:

1. Sicklucker

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On August 10 2016 15:36 sicklucker wrote:
in a sick world . if mafia has a rolecop and checked gb and saw he was a miller then mafia hf would make this play. would be pretty sick but way too unlikely. could also just be mafia doing it for the lulz his last mafia performance he didnt acualy try at all and let him self get lynched day 1 with no effort. but hes probably town boring

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 15:37 sicklucker wrote:
We should probably acualy lynch hf if gb flips miller. onegu especially likes to throw rolecops in his games I think...

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 15:37 sicklucker wrote:
REALLY UNLIKELY THO GUYS. just wanna throw that out there


I got a notification that I was roleblocked last night (I don't know why we get notifications at all really but w/e) so I was JK'd at least or MAYBE mafia rb'd which is possibly what SL is alluding to here:

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 16:34 sicklucker wrote:
also shouldnt you have been like jailkeeped last night? vivax sure didnt save himself



Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 21:22 sicklucker wrote:
On August 10 2016 21:12 GlowingBear wrote:
SL do you think HF is Mafia?


if your town he is. I mean theres nothing I can do untill you flip either way. no ones not gonna lynch you today including me.

But if you are town hes 100% a mafia rolecop. If thats true he saw I was right and is trying to set me up. or he could just be an idiot its hard to tell

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 21:24 sicklucker wrote:
Like its acualy insane that hf believes I slipped about a second miller which is pretty fucking unluckly in a 13 player setup. The fact he thinks its almost a certainty rather then a slim chance like I think is interesting. are lawyers not good at probability?

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 21:25 sicklucker wrote:
either way this game will be fun if gb flips miller. a good old battle royale. If he flips mafia so boring

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 13:59 sicklucker wrote:
ya my role cop scenario acualy makes alot of sense when you think about thanks grack for proving im not crazy. is it likely? hell no I have always said this



Now, think in your own heads, how unlikely was it that I was fake claiming? You guys are entirely in the dark, you did what was right, follow my lead and look for clues and links, SL on the other hand has referenced and foreshadowed (most importantly) GB flipping miller about 1000x throughout the day, not just flipping town, FLIPPING MILLER. That's the most important point of it all, mafia KNOWS I'm town and therefore if I have a red check and they know GB is town he MUST be a miller. This is why I found SL's reaction the most definite mindset of a mafia player because he KNEW ALL ALONG IT WAS HAPPENING.

Mafia chance: 100%



hahahaha all things debunking this

Again this is a false equivalence. This is from when SL came up with a role claim theory on you and you were convinced that he had slipped. It's not you seeing some meh posts and going ham on some lurker.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 00:52 GMT
#704
Brb really quick I have to go get something lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:13 GMT
#715
On September 10 2016 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
are you actually being fucking serious?

he has no content to post, he's struggling with his entrance (look at his town game entrance completely different and actually has content?!?!) and his only substantial post of the game is something he specifically says is boring and that he hasn't read:

a) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that it's a fucking bs mindset

b) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that because he might be posting things people have already said.

SO what we have here is that ticktock has LIED about not reading the posts and has actually skimmed and knows what they've said OR he's not read them and then he's posting useless shit as his only content of the game that he said was boring that he knows full well other people COULD have said <------- and if THAT is the case then he's literally posting just for the sake of posting which, again, is a mafia mindset.

Who posts something like that after acknowledging that it already exists but not knowing their content? Mafia.


Perhaps you should actually read his god damn filter from his town game instead of harping on about how it's bs and overplayed when it's literally night and day differences between substantial reads from his town game and simple "Yeah I like that post" bs in this game. It's hilarious that you've actually for some reason looked at two of my previous games and ignored absolutely every other game I've ever played and concluded that I never do these kind of pushes as town when vivax has literally told you 3-4 times that I am this aggressive as either alignment whenever I want to be.

I have no idea what you're trying to make out of this but all I see is hogwash. Really this seems like a whole lot of effort to try to portray some minor thing as some huge scum slip.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:16 GMT
#718
On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Simple facts are:

TT posted no content
TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening
TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said
TT has gone afk and done nothing

But... he's not mafia?

Grackaroni's take:

TT's filter looks like a pretty standard lurker filter
HF launches crusade with questionable reasons for why TT is scum.
(referring to my 3 points in my longer post)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:18 GMT
#720
On September 10 2016 09:43 Holyflare wrote:
I am on a righteous crusade to lynch Grack and this train has no brakes.

TT/Grack may or may not be together and I can't decide based on unflipped associations but one of them is certainly mafia and it's increasingly looking like the guy hard defending an afk scummy poster.

[image loading]

Pic stolen shamelessly from Palmar.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:21 GMT
#723
On September 10 2016 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
My assumption, and it's a very logical assumption to make, is that he actually read/skimmed the entire thread and saw nobody made this point yet and as mafia found a way to look like he was contributing by posting "new information" since mafia love to blend and talk about mechanics.

Then all the other stuff I've posted about him too.

Objection your honor! Speculation.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:24 GMT
#725
On September 10 2016 10:22 Holyflare wrote:
I can and might be wrong on you and I'm willing to admit that as a possibility too but Ticktock will never not be the lynch for me because unless you can prove my logic wrong then I'm not moving from it.

I will/should talk about other things too though.

I actually think you're mafia though. I had reasons before and when I mentioned them you went into full try hard scum defense mode.

Plus if I'm a total baddie and TT is scum then I'll still end up as the vigi.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:25 GMT
#726
That's when I really get to wreak havoc.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:29 GMT
#728
Ok. But I'm stealing Damdy away again.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 01:40 GMT
#732
On September 10 2016 10:35 Holyflare wrote:
Even though damdred is voting with me and saying names that I would like to lynch and names that I town read in general reading his posts make me think he's mafia because they just seem too nicey nice and wanting to be everyone's friend and trying to fit in rather than forming a real opinion and pushing it.

I read through it. Maybe. The 3 he's town reading are just the objectively towniest people last time I checked, so that's not a point in his favor.

I don't remember Damdred doing too much in the Onegu game either though.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 03:01 GMT
#738
Yeah show some respect. Other people are trying to argue here.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 14:48 GMT
#758
On September 10 2016 23:35 Damdred wrote:
Bet tt shows up last hour to try to wifom every one into voting someone else just like in storm.

Do not give in lynch tt

But now he's going to out wifom you by not showing up at all.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 14:52 GMT
#760
On September 10 2016 23:51 Damdred wrote:
Then he just gets lynched anyway

But not if everyone thinks he would show up before the vote as scum. It's the perfect mind game!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 15:20 GMT
#768
Just to be clear, HF:

Am I the lynch plan tomorrow if TT flips town, mafia, or both?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 15:27 GMT
#770
On September 11 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 00:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Just to be clear, HF:

Am I the lynch plan tomorrow if TT flips town, mafia, or both?


If he flips both, you're the lynch plan, yes.

Calix should be the lynch today or tomorrow. No question here.

lol not you silly. And by the both I mean to ask whether I should be the lynch regardless of what TT flips.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 15:50 GMT
#783
On September 11 2016 00:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 00:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 11 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 11 2016 00:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Just to be clear, HF:

Am I the lynch plan tomorrow if TT flips town, mafia, or both?


If he flips both, you're the lynch plan, yes.

Calix should be the lynch today or tomorrow. No question here.

lol not you silly. And by the both I mean to ask whether I should be the lynch regardless of what TT flips.


Yes, I know.

What is your reads list like?

I still haven't actually read a bunch of stuff so bear with me.

Vivax is town for the rest of the game because he made this post after I wasn't contributing anything but pissing Calix off. There actually is a noticeably difference between my play this game and my normal scum game, so he actually did go through the effort to read through games to compare. Plus I was being discussed as a lynch possibility at the time.

On September 10 2016 06:45 Vivax wrote:
Going to be ballsy and call town on Grack btw. I dived his scum game a short while back and it's nothing like him. He pretends to be helpful there. Here he's openly defiant, jokes, and even posts pictures.

HF is invited to fight me over this.


Fuba has a pretty weak scum game and I don't think it looks like this. Thus he is town.

Calix seems too abrasive to be scum and had a strong opening. If it turns out you have really good points that could change.

You had a townie opening.

I like Tumblewood because he's on the same wave length as me, and also he's putting himself at the risk of the wrath of Holyflare. If Holyflare is town I don't think scum TW would want to put himself in HF's cross hairs because TW's scum game can be pretty shaky.

I think HF has a good chance of being scum as outlined earlier.

The rest are null. Perhaps Palmar is a bit below null for how useless he has been while not yet attracting any votes. I'm also playing around with a bit of a crazy theory of HF and TT as a scum team. I don't know how plausible that is but I realized that if HF was on a scum team with TT that could have caused him to view TT's posts through a lens that makes them look scummier than they actually were.

Better stuff will probably come around 3 hours from now.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 10 2016 15:57 GMT
#787
I'm mostly waiting on Vivax/Palmar because they both know what HF's scum game looks like and they haven't posted since last night.
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