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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote: You want to put the person in power who wants to kill you? .. seriously? Yeah. Then he can stop tunneling me and I can get out of the game where half the game is tunneling me, forcing them to actually hunt for scum. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:14 Superbia wrote: Why do you want to put the person in power who is at best wrong? I think he's likely town and if he is, mafia will likely want to kill him. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 00:18 Superbia wrote: Why would mafia want to kill him? Most experienced player in the game that everyone and their mom is townreading. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 00:26 Superbia wrote: Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die. Lol. TT/Super/one of the AFK's. Calling it. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote: Really now? Why? Why did I not hop on your wagon if I was mafia? Why do scum townread lynchbait sometimes? You probably expected me to crawl out of the hole, which should've happened but for some reason didn't. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote: And since I did not, why am I not hard defending you for credz? Getting called out for TMI? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 00:38 Superbia wrote: Why? I think I had pretty decent reasons to call you town. Oh well. Do what you want. Yeah, and you're abandoning the strong sense, potentially to make sure the lynch on me goes through now that it looks realistic. On June 27 2016 00:38 Jean Valjean wrote: This is not incorrect, as mafia can never lynch me. My greatest strength in mafia is that I can beat people into submission with arguments and words, but I'm also perceptive enough to understand my potential weakness. I would love if you could play around the tunneling part. The one thing I can ask of you is that you clearly indicate your number one scumread (ticktock, I suppose?) and that you build a good, readable case on him that can be reposted and referenced easily farther down the line in the game. The best case scenario is that your case proves you're not mafia and you avoid the lynch, but a close alternative is that even if myself, and a number of other players you think are town, are completely wrong on you and you flip town, you have left something that we can use in the following days to right the ship. No matter if you get lynched you still have a responsibility to try to win the game for your faction, and if your faction is town, you should work on creating a case that town can get behind, either today, or the following days after you're gone. My weakness is that I am not always right, I can be wrong, and it can be very difficult to be wrong for such a strong leader as myself, so I need other players to keep me in check. Yeah we get it, you're god's gift to mafia. And you're extremely wrong on me. I've already built my case on TT, there isn't really that much more to go on than what I've said. It's not a lock scum read, but I feel somewhat confident in it. I've already put a tonne of time into this game, and I don't feel a responsibility to put in even more. There's plenty to read in my filter that clearly both makes me town and works on finding out people's alignments. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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GB what's your read on TT? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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Oh then it was dissimilarities. I just remember coming off reading his other filter with a mild townread on him this game. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:28 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't really care much for him. I ignored most of his posts. But considering how solid his scum play tends to be, I have a gut feeling that he might be town. But objectively null. Can you read his filter for me? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote: Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right? Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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Eh I'm kinda fine with both Jean and Tumble getting it too. Pretty confident in both being town atm. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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But Dammy, I do have faith in you! You're still one of my strongest townreads, it's just not a big enough difference and not enough people share my opinion to really push for it. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: Art I just saw this post and I really like it. His other posts before this aren't really alignment indicative in my opinion. It's just... Lazy... Why do you like it? It's talking about setup only and is one of the posts I dislike because he had done like nothing so far and instead of focussing on developing reads he was doing.. that. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: Skimmed the rest of his filter, nothing stood out as scummy. I think his suspicions on you and Damdy are okay, I found myself being suspicious of you and damdy from times to times too. But I just remind myself that I may be having paranoia That sounds like you don't scumread me anymore. Didn't you still have me leaning scummy earlier? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Although it's easy, it's not Mafia's best interest to convince town to do this. In other words, it doesn't follow a scum agenda. This is exactly the kind of post you want to make as mafia though, and he didn't push through the idea at all either after dropping it. Anyway case on TT I made boiled down to: On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:57 GlowingBear wrote: Your emotional reactions are giving me pause to the scum lean. It bothers me that this is the reason people townread me now. Put a bunch of effort in to figure out the game, get scumread. Get pissed people keep tunneling, get townread. Mafia sucks  | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote: Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler + Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. GlowingBear: + Show Spoiler + Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. Jealous: + Show Spoiler + I'm VT. emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler + Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. Damdred: + Show Spoiler + Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459 This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807 Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. MoosyDoosy: + Show Spoiler + Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. Chezinu: + Show Spoiler + Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. Artanis[Xp]: + Show Spoiler + A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation. After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come. I can see Damdred's response there coming from town pretty easily. I honestly was like "what, I'm dumb town here?" at first. I can see why he'd come to the conclusion he did. | ||
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