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On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce  I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW.
I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything.
And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now.
I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least.
My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little.
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On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little.
Look, here's the problem for me.
A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it)
B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call.
Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW.
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Hello
I am unfortunately not going to be able to contribute heavily today. I will do my best to get a chance to read the game and I will probably focus on the first few hours of posting.
I am more just popping by to let you guys know I am alive and have no intention of getting replaced or modkilled, despite the fact that my start will be slower than I would have preferred.
To me I have two acceptable outcomes this cycle. The preferred outcome is that I actually find something that's worth chasing and put my vote there, but a very reasonable alternative that is probably more likely to happen is that I find someone I strongly believe to be town, and lend my vote to whatever his or hers cause is.
I'm looking forward to talking to you all and playing with you.
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On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.
The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.
I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.
So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually.
I don't agree with GB not going after me. He went after HF every time he was in a game with him, though I think you're right in that he's probably town for the deeper thought processes.
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On June 25 2016 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW.
My foundation for my read on you lies in you saying I had Scum mindset without you having a working narrative of my personality, is only part of it. The other part is fabrication as to what you thought I was trying to accomplish. I'm sure you can see how when someone gets accused of ill intent when there is none to be had there is a bit Sus.
No, I don't like you boiling down my read on TW to that.. its not the same thing. I am Scum reading TW because post 349 pinged me in a bad way. I then decided on a whim to investigate this and found there was something I could make a small case out of so I followed up with that.
I don't see how this is the same type of thing regarding your Scum read on me and my Scum read on TW. I just don't see it that way at all. You're going to have to pin point what you mean exactly - I'm not seeing it.
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On June 25 2016 19:55 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW. My foundation for my read on you lies in you saying I had Scum mindset without you having a working narrative of my personality, is only part of it. The other part is fabrication as to what you thought I was trying to accomplish. I'm sure you can see how when someone gets accused of ill intent when there is none to be had there is a bit Sus. No, I don't like you boiling down my read on TW to that.. its not the same thing. I am Scum reading TW because post 349 pinged me in a bad way. I then decided on a whim to investigate this and found there was something I could make a small case out of so I followed up with that. I don't see how this is the same type of thing regarding your Scum read on me and my Scum read on TW. I just don't see it that way at all. You're going to have to pin point what you mean exactly - I'm not seeing it.
I may simply be reading into your post wrongly. I meant this part of your case on TW:
On June 25 2016 16:02 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:
wow that was exhausting I deserve a break Follows that up with a joke, which by Arts logic would mean that is Sus.
To me, it sounds like you're literally saying that my logic, which you didn't agree made you scum (obviously), makes TW suspicious. I found that very strange.
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I also never intended to imply it was your sole reason for scumreading TW. I just found it weird that it was in your case to begin with and I wanted to understand why.
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On June 25 2016 20:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 19:55 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 25 2016 19:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hello! I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW. I am assuming (based off a single game played with TW) that he mostly falls under the "normal" player category. Don't get this confused with "weak" player, just that his style isn't super different or anything. And I left a whole argument on him and all you have to say is "you're scum reading him for being a normal player," which is not my reason for Scum reading him, which, my Scum read on him is not very strong now. I don't know how I feel about you even questioning me about my read on him in this way.. I can think of Scum doing that to paint TW to be more Scummy than he is... That should show you where I'm at in my read on him at least. My reason for Scum reading you is based on your push on me which was largely unfounded and built upon assumptions of my play. I know I am a weird player, but when people start giving reasons I don't see myself doing, I have to admit the OMGUS comes out in me a little. Look, here's the problem for me. A) You accuse me of an unfounded read based upon your character differing from most people. This, to me, seems the foundation of your scumread on me (or at least not asking about it) B) You proceed to use this argument on a player that you, as far as I'm aware, don't know enough about in his character to make the same judgement call. Essentially, you're doing something to TW that you scumread me for, so I'm asking what's up. My question is in relation to you, not TW. My foundation for my read on you lies in you saying I had Scum mindset without you having a working narrative of my personality, is only part of it. The other part is fabrication as to what you thought I was trying to accomplish. I'm sure you can see how when someone gets accused of ill intent when there is none to be had there is a bit Sus. No, I don't like you boiling down my read on TW to that.. its not the same thing. I am Scum reading TW because post 349 pinged me in a bad way. I then decided on a whim to investigate this and found there was something I could make a small case out of so I followed up with that. I don't see how this is the same type of thing regarding your Scum read on me and my Scum read on TW. I just don't see it that way at all. You're going to have to pin point what you mean exactly - I'm not seeing it. I may simply be reading into your post wrongly. I meant this part of your case on TW: Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 16:02 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:
wow that was exhausting I deserve a break Follows that up with a joke, which by Arts logic would mean that is Sus. To me, it sounds like you're literally saying that my logic, which you didn't agree made you scum (obviously), makes TW suspicious. I found that very strange.
I made some observations on TW's play as well as parts that would be considered a case against him. Why do you have a problem with the way I phrased that particular observation? Just because I am doing an ISO case doesn't mean I have to paint everything they do as Scum or Town. I was making an association to be used for later. Honestly, I was more trying to point out the inconsistency in YOUR play more so than what TW was doing there.
I could have just said "hey, Art, why didn't you bring this up about TW?" but I decided to state it in a more subtle way. The fact that you are bring this up to make me look bad (in a way that lightly discredits me as having a valid outlook) doesn't paint you in a good light I'm afraid.
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I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there.
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yo yo gonna catch up a little. Have a feeling about stuff.
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Moosy and Jealous. 
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On June 25 2016 19:54 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hello
I am unfortunately not going to be able to contribute heavily today. I will do my best to get a chance to read the game and I will probably focus on the first few hours of posting.
I am more just popping by to let you guys know I am alive and have no intention of getting replaced or modkilled, despite the fact that my start will be slower than I would have preferred.
To me I have two acceptable outcomes this cycle. The preferred outcome is that I actually find something that's worth chasing and put my vote there, but a very reasonable alternative that is probably more likely to happen is that I find someone I strongly believe to be town, and lend my vote to whatever his or hers cause is.
I'm looking forward to talking to you all and playing with you.
Have you played mafia before?
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Someone talk to me before pls
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I want to call damdred town but I'm not there yet.
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I'm going to go with mainly gut again bc that actually worked out pretty well last d1.
Town:
- Art
- TW
- QT
Almost there:
- Chez
- TT
- Jin Valjean
- Damdred
- GB (least sure)
Somewhere:
- EC
- Skynx
On their way out of here:
- Moosy
- Jealous
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That list is probably actually really really good
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Jin maybe a bit too high but I just kind of want to feel good about townread him/her off of 1 post. :D
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On June 25 2016 06:39 Chezinu wrote:
Dear US Liquidians,
I am here before you to declare that I willing to represent everyone here. Of the two presidential candidates presented before us that we must chose, I am willing to make the hard decision. In light of the recent attacks and the volatile economy, it is not the time to continue on the path we have taken. These desperate times call for desperate measures. That is why I am will to speak on behalf of all us and chose the wild card that may or may not save us. I am willing to play the Trump in front of our nation. May the clouds have favor on our dance.
Chez for Prez!
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