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On April 27 2016 02:44 Shapelog wrote:VC: Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Votecount - Day 2: DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeDoYouHas is slated to be lynched. Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time. Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post. The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.
Things I saw in DYH filter I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see. - Early pressure on gum
- Pressure on me
- Town read on HTS
- Pressure on Koshi
- Town read on GB (reason:case on Koshi)
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On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.
Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?
Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.
- keep options open on me
- Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)
There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm. The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well. I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw.
Yeah the bolded, I made the comment you bolded but not the latter part about GB carrying the team.
But in his filter it doesn't make sense. Reading his filter, he was on Koshi all cycle. But town were consolidating on DYH, and yet he was voting Koshi with DYH even after he said he was uncomfortable with DYH's play.
GB also being off the wagon would also fit with him just having zero influence, or clearly not enough influence to get Koshi lynched, I know I definitely came around to the point on day 2 I wasn't going to lynch him. Like I feel with everything else pointing to him, I cannot ignore that possibility.
(GB if you want to comment here too, go for it, if I missed something you said about this, quote it.)
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but yeah gb let me clarify,
if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me.
But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves.
given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / :
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On April 27 2016 04:03 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 03:57 GlowingBear wrote:On April 27 2016 03:52 gumshoe wrote:also, you realize this I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. is a bad thing right? You understand that scum like to make faint cases against each other right? Clearly you do, as you attacked ls for a faint case early on. Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it. mang, its like your hacking off fingers to replace to fix your nose / : It's exactly what you do every game when you're town ROFL Also, just to be clear, I was NEVER against lynching SL, I just knew the case was weak to grant a lynch on him for solely that I never make faint cases bro, I go all the fuck out XD when I make a case I do it cause I think there scum. when I voted damdred I thought he was scum, but his answer assuaged me, your lazy hole pocking does none of that for me now also there was a point where sl was very close to getting lynched, and you showed up conviniently right after that window. And regardless of what you say about sl, what the facts state is that you let him slip. No explanation now can fully fix actions that happened then / : hence my lack of me reconsideration during our current discourse.
You DO realise I made a legit case that I simply thought it was weak to grant a lynch?
And you're saying that I, as scum, see my partber getting lynched and do nothing to change that scenario, but then when he isn't getting lynched I show up just to... Rant on the lynch. Yeah.
So you think I should evaluate Koshi considering an agenda and that's how you evaluate tbings and how
People with minimal understanding of the game evaluate things, but when you're evaluating me, you don't have to consider an agenda.
I'm done talking to you, you are Mafia, period.
If anyone has questions to me regarding any of those points discussed, feel free to ask. I'm voting no one else today. And if you want to lynch me, fine. Just lynch gumshoe tomorrow
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also this.
I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast.
this post happened half an hour before the lynch.
April 21 2016 11:59 PDT
at this point in time, sl was the leading wagon, and damdred was voting sl.
while you continued to vote ls...
so theres this half an hour gap between you bieng here while the sl wagon was active and not voting sl or sheeping damdred (two things you seemed to indicate youd be willing to do all cycle), and you showing up just in time to mock town (ala dyh) and you never mention that you had to go ethier / :
you say you were here just one min before the deadline
I was here merely one minute before deadline. How do you expect me to do stuff?
but do you understand why I have trouble bilieving that XD thats a rhetorical question btw, I dont need anymore excuses.
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8/40
Well hold on here. I'm reading 855/856/859. I don't understand part of your push on GB now.
On April 27 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote:
but yeah gb let me clarify,
if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me.
But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves.
given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / :
Am I derping or missing something here?
Why are you making the assumption that GB would play scum exactly the same way that DYH would? DYH did the opposite - he said he was playing League or whatever and then he lurked but the whole 20m re: Damdred....
....there's a lot of other issues with GB but....that one isn't definitive.
I also don't like the self-meta in #844.
And:
On April 27 2016 03:27 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote:
You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / :also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it.
I see GB explained why he dropped LS as a scumread, but why this assumption? I remember Damdred accusing GB of doing dick all as a solo voter, so I know GB isn't lying about that.
This is nothing of the likes that DYH did. You knew he lurked because he posted after his lynch. Here it's just the opposite situation and GB's previous post was at 19xx or approx. 4 hours before.
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On April 27 2016 04:20 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:03 gumshoe wrote:On April 27 2016 03:57 GlowingBear wrote:On April 27 2016 03:52 gumshoe wrote:also, you realize this I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. is a bad thing right? You understand that scum like to make faint cases against each other right? Clearly you do, as you attacked ls for a faint case early on. Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it. mang, its like your hacking off fingers to replace to fix your nose / : It's exactly what you do every game when you're town ROFL Also, just to be clear, I was NEVER against lynching SL, I just knew the case was weak to grant a lynch on him for solely that I never make faint cases bro, I go all the fuck out XD when I make a case I do it cause I think there scum. when I voted damdred I thought he was scum, but his answer assuaged me, your lazy hole pocking does none of that for me now also there was a point where sl was very close to getting lynched, and you showed up conviniently right after that window. And regardless of what you say about sl, what the facts state is that you let him slip. No explanation now can fully fix actions that happened then / : hence my lack of me reconsideration during our current discourse. You DO realise I made a legit case that I simply thought it was weak to grant a lynch? And you're saying that I, as scum, see my partber getting lynched and do nothing to change that scenario, but then when he isn't getting lynched I show up just to... Rant on the lynch. Yeah. So you think I should evaluate Koshi considering an agenda and that's how you evaluate tbings and how People with minimal understanding of the game evaluate things, but when you're evaluating me, you don't have to consider an agenda. I'm done talking to you, you are Mafia, period. If anyone has questions to me regarding any of those points discussed, feel free to ask. I'm voting no one else today. And if you want to lynch me, fine. Just lynch gumshoe tomorrow
I dont have to prove why scum would do it because dyh did it XD
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
time of your post
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
dont blame me for your scummy play mang / :
also im not the one who was putting out the agenda, you thought me and koshi were scum, you thought koshi was bieng wierd not votting me, the world knows how to do basic addition gb XD
Also you know I do this as town brah, did it to vivax in vanilla XD i was actually wrong there , but that had more to do with how well Bh was playing. I doubt we have a similar scam running here and even if we do we have the mislynches to weed it out.
Point is you throwing up your hands and saying I have to be scum isnt what town does brah, townies have to deal with other townies coming after them all the time, its the game. Being frustrated doesn't give you the right to stop playing, especially when you know I play like this as town.
good thing your not town this game : P
Also your "lol your not this bad argument" doesnt work. Me and hts currently find you scummy, which means if your town one of us really is that bad. So your argument is broken by virtue of having more than one skilled player find you scummy / :
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On April 27 2016 03:47 Half the Sky wrote:6/40 Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:32 Half the Sky wrote:
GB being mislynched a shittonne does not give any indication for his play now. He fakeclaimed in Firefly yes, but I don't believe he did jack all in Outlaw. Fakeclaims are done for specific reasons when they aim for the objectives needed (to draw a blue, to divert a lynch, etc) and someone fakeclaiming or not does not and should not ever vindicate them. There's a ridiculous amount in GB's filter that indicates several problems including
(1) lack of followup day 1 reads,
(2) lack of engagement (or delayed engagement) with Koshi, he throws the names he does night 1 and I engage him first on Koshi when I discuss my phobias but he doesn't touch him until Koshi calls him on on this day 2.
(3) the dropped read on SL day 1.
(4) softpushing from sicklucker day 1 ("I'd lynch GB a little from his posts....and then selective reasoning on me when I was going to get lynched)
(5) his post highlighting why I was mafia was terrible in that it completely ignored arguments that were already made
(a) saying my posts are convoluted does not make me mafia when I explain them a bazillion times, furthermore that is parroting from Koshi one day later Damdred was confirmation biasing HARD but at least I could tell he was town based on interactions with other townies.
(b) Second it was VERY reasonable and not suspicious to surmise that a low-activity player was mafia, GB basically framed something that was townie (or at worst null) and framed it as mafia agenda. That behaviour itself is mafia driven. Read post 583 again if you don't understand.
(6) Softpushing from GB on DYH (see post 583) - he says DYH makes him uncomfortable, but what does he do about it? Nothing. He doesn't even engage him or change that read when he and DYH both vote Koshi. In post 628 you will see
(7) GB's push on Koshi makes no sense (through post 623). Koshi clearly explained why Shape was underwhelming compared to GB and that was based on the metas he had for both players. He def focused on some people more than others and he did use the argument too scummy to be scum, which was wrong on sicklucker...and he did the same for gumshoe. But it's a read that whilst bad is not exclusively mafia. Alright, GB, let me go through point by point here. I want to see your responses, if any. (1) I had issues with these, and when I tried to engage you on Koshi you didn't engage. You brought these names up without any followthrough and the way you wrote it, it looked like you were trying to see whether they would stick. Relevant quotes here. Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 05:47 GlowingBear wrote:
For what reason you think Koshi and LS are town, damdy? You explained subsequently in pursuing Koshi, but where did the LS/gumshoe reads go? (2) you've explained a little better just now in why you had an issue with Koshi, because you're sort of semi-metaing him as logical and you thought he had an agenda. Okay, moving on. (3) The first thing (you'd see it in my filter here) that drew attention to you was how your SL read dropped. This looks really bad to me particularly when he's flipped mafia. Relevant quotes as follows (spoiler): + Show Spoiler [quotes] +On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up Post-lynch - On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? (4) I'm going to skip 4 because this was on SL, but when I take this and your read on SL dropping, to me it looks like both of you are trying to tread around each other (5) You said my posts were convoluted and considering the argument you had against Koshi - let's take a step back. I directed you to Post 583, and I tried to illustrate to you that I wasn't JUST looking at VCA, I was also looking at general thread activity and a few other things to make the suggestion I did. Now that DYH has flipped mafia, does that make you reconsider your read in any way? Also speaking of reconsidering reads, you also had Fidei in your lynch list. What about that read?
Ok.
On SL: I thought his posts were suspicious, so I've called him out. I do those kind of things on every game because I always try to develop discussion. It doesn't mean, however, that it was a strong case that I would use as grounds to any lynch. Then I had to be and entire day AFK, and when I came back, I tried to do a big catch up post. In that catch up post I found informational stuff that led me to believe gumshoe and LS were Mafia (and to be fair, I don't even remember what it was). I saw nothing else from SL because I could read only until page 6/7 at that time.
Then I only came back two minutes before deadline to see a lynch that, by VCA, looked like it was going to hit town. I didn't have time to do anything.
I simply forgot about SL. Just like that. Because I thought I saw way more important things to pursue. And as I saw a clear fownie in Damdred, I tried to chat with him so we could work together.
Now, sometimes I reevaluate stuff but I don't state it in thread. LS was one of that reevaluartion. I scum read him almost every game, and Damdred correctly reads him almost every game. So I took Damdred's word for granted. I know I have my limitations as a player, and working together is really important to me when I have a strong town read I trust
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10/40
On April 27 2016 04:23 gumshoe wrote:also this. Show nested quote +I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. this post happened half an hour before the lynch.at this point in time, sl was the leading wagon, and damdred was voting sl. while you continued to vote ls... so theres this half an hour gap between you bieng here while the sl wagon was active and not voting sl or sheeping damdred (two things you seemed to indicate youd be willing to do all cycle), and you showing up just in time to mock town (ala dyh) and you never mention that you had to go ethier / : you say you were here just one min before the deadline Show nested quote +I was here merely one minute before deadline. How do you expect me to do stuff? but do you understand why I have trouble bilieving that XD thats a rhetorical question btw, I dont need anymore excuses.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??
On April 22 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2016 18:58 Koshi wrote:On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything.
Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town?
5 btw Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion. It's a good thing. Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true. tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow.
I also townread Damdred for starting the game.
I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves.
I have issues with this post: On April 20 2016 10:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Aw shit I agree with sicklucker I must be broken Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread. I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast.
On April 22 2016 07:28 GlowingBear wrote:
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
What on earth are you talking about gumshoe????
Timestamps are showing a difference of 3h30 for me.....almost 2000 local time and then deadline is at 2330, he posts at 2328 wtf?!?!?!?!?
How are you just getting half an hour????
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On April 27 2016 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:8/40 Well hold on here. I'm reading 855/856/859. I don't understand part of your push on GB now. Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote:
but yeah gb let me clarify,
if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me.
But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves.
given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / : Am I derping or missing something here? Why are you making the assumption that GB would play scum exactly the same way that DYH would? DYH did the opposite - he said he was playing League or whatever and then he lurked but the whole 20m re: Damdred.... ....there's a lot of other issues with GB but....that one isn't definitive. I also don't like the self-meta in #844. And: Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 03:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote:
You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / :also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it. I see GB explained why he dropped LS as a scumread, but why this assumption? I remember Damdred accusing GB of doing dick all as a solo voter, so I know GB isn't lying about that. This is nothing of the likes that DYH did. You knew he lurked because he posted after his lynch. Here it's just the opposite situation and GB's previous post was at 19xx or approx. 4 hours before.
sorry can you boil this down? little bit confusing.
my point is that gb said hed sheep damdred and was willing to vote sl.
I can place him in thread at the time of the wagon on sl bieng active, yet he continues to vote ls.
a minute before hand he shows up saying the lynch is bad just like dyh did,
he claims he was gone for the lynch, but he was there half an hour before, and a minute before. Leaving him going out as a 30 min period that did not exist prior to his excuse.
Therefore we have fair reason to bilieve he was here, and he had a chance to make good on his sheep and even fight the ff lynch (who he was convinced was town) but did not.
Thats all im saying / :
his counter is why would he gloat 1 min before, my answer is we dont have to find a reason (though can surely be created)
because dyh did it, therefore there is a reason for it regardless of wether we know it.
wheres the problem?
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On April 27 2016 03:47 Half the Sky wrote:6/40 Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 06:32 Half the Sky wrote:
GB being mislynched a shittonne does not give any indication for his play now. He fakeclaimed in Firefly yes, but I don't believe he did jack all in Outlaw. Fakeclaims are done for specific reasons when they aim for the objectives needed (to draw a blue, to divert a lynch, etc) and someone fakeclaiming or not does not and should not ever vindicate them. There's a ridiculous amount in GB's filter that indicates several problems including
(1) lack of followup day 1 reads,
(2) lack of engagement (or delayed engagement) with Koshi, he throws the names he does night 1 and I engage him first on Koshi when I discuss my phobias but he doesn't touch him until Koshi calls him on on this day 2.
(3) the dropped read on SL day 1.
(4) softpushing from sicklucker day 1 ("I'd lynch GB a little from his posts....and then selective reasoning on me when I was going to get lynched)
(5) his post highlighting why I was mafia was terrible in that it completely ignored arguments that were already made
(a) saying my posts are convoluted does not make me mafia when I explain them a bazillion times, furthermore that is parroting from Koshi one day later Damdred was confirmation biasing HARD but at least I could tell he was town based on interactions with other townies.
(b) Second it was VERY reasonable and not suspicious to surmise that a low-activity player was mafia, GB basically framed something that was townie (or at worst null) and framed it as mafia agenda. That behaviour itself is mafia driven. Read post 583 again if you don't understand.
(6) Softpushing from GB on DYH (see post 583) - he says DYH makes him uncomfortable, but what does he do about it? Nothing. He doesn't even engage him or change that read when he and DYH both vote Koshi. In post 628 you will see
(7) GB's push on Koshi makes no sense (through post 623). Koshi clearly explained why Shape was underwhelming compared to GB and that was based on the metas he had for both players. He def focused on some people more than others and he did use the argument too scummy to be scum, which was wrong on sicklucker...and he did the same for gumshoe. But it's a read that whilst bad is not exclusively mafia. Alright, GB, let me go through point by point here. I want to see your responses, if any. (1) I had issues with these, and when I tried to engage you on Koshi you didn't engage. You brought these names up without any followthrough and the way you wrote it, it looked like you were trying to see whether they would stick. Relevant quotes here. Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 05:47 GlowingBear wrote:
For what reason you think Koshi and LS are town, damdy? You explained subsequently in pursuing Koshi, but where did the LS/gumshoe reads go? (2) you've explained a little better just now in why you had an issue with Koshi, because you're sort of semi-metaing him as logical and you thought he had an agenda. Okay, moving on. (3) The first thing (you'd see it in my filter here) that drew attention to you was how your SL read dropped. This looks really bad to me particularly when he's flipped mafia. Relevant quotes as follows (spoiler): + Show Spoiler [quotes] +On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:
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Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up Post-lynch - On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? (4) I'm going to skip 4 because this was on SL, but when I take this and your read on SL dropping, to me it looks like both of you are trying to tread around each other (5) You said my posts were convoluted and considering the argument you had against Koshi - let's take a step back. I directed you to Post 583, and I tried to illustrate to you that I wasn't JUST looking at VCA, I was also looking at general thread activity and a few other things to make the suggestion I did. Now that DYH has flipped mafia, does that make you reconsider your read in any way? Also speaking of reconsidering reads, you also had Fidei in your lynch list. What about that read?
Regarding (5), I didn't look at him and to me fair when I said your posts were convoluted I was being hot headed against you. And sorry, sometimes I skip your long posts when they are too long lol. Sorry for being lazy.
Fidei on my pool was when I was considering only VCA. He didn't hammer DYH if I remember correctly? I don't really have reasons to scum read him other than not remembering anything relevant coming from him
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On April 27 2016 04:33 Half the Sky wrote:10/40 Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:23 gumshoe wrote:also this. I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. this post happened half an hour before the lynch.April 21 2016 11:59 PDT at this point in time, sl was the leading wagon, and damdred was voting sl. while you continued to vote ls... so theres this half an hour gap between you bieng here while the sl wagon was active and not voting sl or sheeping damdred (two things you seemed to indicate youd be willing to do all cycle), and you showing up just in time to mock town (ala dyh) and you never mention that you had to go ethier / : you say you were here just one min before the deadline I was here merely one minute before deadline. How do you expect me to do stuff? but do you understand why I have trouble bilieving that XD thats a rhetorical question btw, I dont need anymore excuses. WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 03:59 GlowingBear wrote:On April 20 2016 18:58 Koshi wrote:On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything.
Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town?
5 btw Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion. It's a good thing. Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true. tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow.
I also townread Damdred for starting the game.
I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves.
I have issues with this post: On April 20 2016 10:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Aw shit I agree with sicklucker I must be broken Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread. I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:28 GlowingBear wrote:
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia What on earth are you talking about gumshoe???? Timestamps are showing a difference of 3h30 for me.....almost 2000 local time and then deadline is at 2330, he posts at 2328 wtf?!?!?!?!? How are you just getting half an hour????
April 21 2016 11:59 PDT
time of gb post (half an hour
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
time of next post(gloat post)
time of lynch April 21 2016 15:25 PDT
do you want screen shots?
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This is my post 27. I have to consolidate. Please if you want me to explain anything, pretty please, consolidate in one post and I'll answer it properly.
HTS, still regarding SL: this is self meta, but... When I'm scum I mostly never attack and drop a scum read on them. I push that bus until the very end or I simply never attack them. I NEVER do something like attacking and forgetting them.
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ah fuck, yeah theres a big jump T_T my bad only the gloat post counts.
sorry for the mistake gb ) : you still scum
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On April 27 2016 04:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:8/40 Well hold on here. I'm reading 855/856/859. I don't understand part of your push on GB now. On April 27 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote:
but yeah gb let me clarify,
if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me.
But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves.
given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / : Am I derping or missing something here? Why are you making the assumption that GB would play scum exactly the same way that DYH would? DYH did the opposite - he said he was playing League or whatever and then he lurked but the whole 20m re: Damdred.... ....there's a lot of other issues with GB but....that one isn't definitive. I also don't like the self-meta in #844. And: On April 27 2016 03:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote:
You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / :also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it. I see GB explained why he dropped LS as a scumread, but why this assumption? I remember Damdred accusing GB of doing dick all as a solo voter, so I know GB isn't lying about that. This is nothing of the likes that DYH did. You knew he lurked because he posted after his lynch. Here it's just the opposite situation and GB's previous post was at 19xx or approx. 4 hours before. sorry can you boil this down? little bit confusing. my point is that gb said hed sheep damdred and was willing to vote sl. I can place him in thread at the time of the wagon on sl bieng active, yet he continues to vote ls. a minute before hand he shows up saying the lynch is bad just like dyh did, he claims he was gone for the lynch, but he was there half an hour before, and a minute before. Leaving him going out as a 30 min period that did not exist prior to his excuse.Therefore we have fair reason to bilieve he was here, and he had a chance to make good on his sheep and even fight the ff lynch (who he was convinced was town) but did not. Thats all im saying / : his counter is why would he gloat 1 min before, my answer is we dont have to find a reason (though can surely be created) because dyh did it, therefore there is a reason for it regardless of wether we know it. wheres the problem?
The bolded is confusing me. I've read the filter and end of day 1.
I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you because the way you have your timestamps also indicates a larger difference - where is this "half hour thing coming from?" I know he was there a minute before. GB's gloating post is 3.5h before.
I'm looking at post #635 and GB's filter, GB's filter has him gone for 3.5 hours. Or did you mean he was around the time the wagon on SL was there?
Is this the post you mean?
On April 22 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote:
I just told you why we should lynch SL.
But you can't stay on hts nobody will vote her today.
I mean that's still a stretch. There are other reasons you can choose to associate GB with SL but that's still based on an assumption.
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On April 27 2016 04:46 gumshoe wrote:
ah fuck, yeah theres a big jump T_T my bad only the gloat post counts.
sorry for the mistake gb ) : you still scum
Still this whole exchange doesn't sit well with me. And your previous post, when I say self-meta I mean "I would do X as town/scum" etc.
I also didn't like the point (post 866) where you mentioned GB throwing his arms and giving up is mafia, not necessarily. Giving up is NAI. As the point pertains to GB, he has also given up as town when he got mislynched in NSM 18. And he did it in bloody mylo and town lost because of it.
It looks suspicious to me between this and the previous assumption it's like you are taking something and stretching it to sound scum indicative.
And the fact that GB is voting the person he feels where the votes are literally everywhere else on gumshoe means he's not playing for survival, at least not at the moment.
On April 27 2016 04:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok.
On SL: I thought his posts were suspicious, so I've called him out. I do those kind of things on every game because I always try to develop discussion. It doesn't mean, however, that it was a strong case that I would use as grounds to any lynch. Then I had to be and entire day AFK, and when I came back, I tried to do a big catch up post. In that catch up post I found informational stuff that led me to believe gumshoe and LS were Mafia (and to be fair, I don't even remember what it was). I saw nothing else from SL because I could read only until page 6/7 at that time.
Then I only came back two minutes before deadline to see a lynch that, by VCA, looked like it was going to hit town. I didn't have time to do anything.
I simply forgot about SL. Just like that. Because I thought I saw way more important things to pursue. And as I saw a clear fownie in Damdred, I tried to chat with him so we could work together.
Now, sometimes I reevaluate stuff but I don't state it in thread. LS was one of that reevaluartion. I scum read him almost every game, and Damdred correctly reads him almost every game. So I took Damdred's word for granted. I know I have my limitations as a player, and working together is really important to me when I have a strong town read I trust
I want people who are familiar with GB's meta to comment on this response to me. I have my thoughts on it, I know Koshi has said that GB is capable of shitty play (or however he worded it), but I want other opinions.
I need to AFK again.
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Day 3:
GlowingBear (2) - gumshoe, Half the Sky, Half the Sky
Half the Sky (1) - Koshi
Fidei86 (0) - Koshi
Not Voted (5) - Shapelog, TicTock, Fidei86, Tumblewood, GlowingBear
At the current vote, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched.
until deadline.
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Ok I stayed at work to read and catchup incase my internet is still down at home.
Voting Gum because he is incessently using timestamps to prove shit, and used the term "brah"
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I'm sorry, I got a bit zealous, I do that when I feel scum is right I front of me( in the other game I was sure 2 people were scum together,and tried to make things try to fit as such, this has less to do with my alignment and more with my flaws )
Gb is scum I'm sure of that, but yeah I got a bit carried away and fucked up / : on top of thinking gb is scum, I want him to be scum and that is a poor mindset I admit and one I'll try to avoid going forward.
I'll look at hts tic and fedie a filters again in case there's something world consuming in there, but I'm pretty confident about gb, but I'll admit could just be mah confirmation bias flaring.
Also no one should ever be lynched for using the word brah, it's a lovely word.
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Well I don't know what the fuck gumshoe is currently doing. Dont' know if it makes him mafia. His rambling in the last 2 pages is too ridiculously complicated to be mafia imo. Well. That is based on the fact I have not seen mafia do what he is doing atm.
I still don't know what the fuck Fidei is doing. So my vote is on him.
I also want to point out that Gumshoe looked townie yesterday. Fidei hasn't looked townie in the entire game. And once again, being second on the DYH wagon holds 0 weight due to him yelling to lynch other people.
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On April 27 2016 05:40 Half the Sky wrote:12/40 Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:46 gumshoe wrote:
ah fuck, yeah theres a big jump T_T my bad only the gloat post counts.
sorry for the mistake gb ) : you still scum Still this whole exchange doesn't sit well with me. And your previous post, when I say self-meta I mean "I would do X as town/scum" etc. I also didn't like the point (post 866) where you mentioned GB throwing his arms and giving up is mafia, not necessarily. Giving up is NAI. As the point pertains to GB, he has also given up as town when he got mislynched in NSM 18. And he did it in bloody mylo and town lost because of it. It looks suspicious to me between this and the previous assumption it's like you are taking something and stretching it to sound scum indicative. And the fact that GB is voting the person he feels where the votes are literally everywhere else on gumshoe means he's not playing for survival, at least not at the moment. Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 04:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok.
On SL: I thought his posts were suspicious, so I've called him out. I do those kind of things on every game because I always try to develop discussion. It doesn't mean, however, that it was a strong case that I would use as grounds to any lynch. Then I had to be and entire day AFK, and when I came back, I tried to do a big catch up post. In that catch up post I found informational stuff that led me to believe gumshoe and LS were Mafia (and to be fair, I don't even remember what it was). I saw nothing else from SL because I could read only until page 6/7 at that time.
Then I only came back two minutes before deadline to see a lynch that, by VCA, looked like it was going to hit town. I didn't have time to do anything.
I simply forgot about SL. Just like that. Because I thought I saw way more important things to pursue. And as I saw a clear fownie in Damdred, I tried to chat with him so we could work together.
Now, sometimes I reevaluate stuff but I don't state it in thread. LS was one of that reevaluartion. I scum read him almost every game, and Damdred correctly reads him almost every game. So I took Damdred's word for granted. I know I have my limitations as a player, and working together is really important to me when I have a strong town read I trust I want people who are familiar with GB's meta to comment on this response to me. I have my thoughts on it, I know Koshi has said that GB is capable of shitty play (or however he worded it), but I want other opinions. I need to AFK again.
This whole exchange that doesn't sit well with you is based around a mistake, something both factions make hts. Also my comment on him giving up was specifically in reference to his view of my alignment. He has given up on seeing me as town, when in the game we last played, I was forced to do the opposite to have a chance at winning and I feel it's hypocritical of him to act as such. Hypocritical enough that I feel it's due to a forced incositincy. I agree giving up in General is nai, but concluding that someone has to be scum because they are pushing you. You see the merits in my arguments, but gb considers them of such little worth I must be scum, otherwise I wouldn't be making them. That's what seems forced to me.
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