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Because Gumshoe and GB are playing full on pants on head mafia right now. I will quote some more posts from Fidei and why we should lynch him.
Look how this peeked his interest. If you look into Fidei his filter there are no smart comments or game solving anythings. But look here:
First quote he is actually defending DYH
On April 25 2016 06:35 Fidei86 wrote:
Why do you think it's DYH? He can't be accused of flooding the thread, but the thing I was really concerned about (his flip on Shape) actually makes a bunch of sense considering Shape's voting.
Second quote he suddenly can live in a world both are mafia? Like... He doesn't ask why there is 1 mafia between GB and DYH, which he for some reason understands, what he can't understand is why there aren't 2 mafia. Looks like some TMI imo.
On April 25 2016 06:43 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 06:41 Koshi wrote:
Well like I said, there is 1 mafia between DYH and GB and I don't know who it is.
I am voting GB because
1) Damdred reads (which I will always keep in my back head cuz I suck)
2) DYH had some reasons to be town, I remember voting him D1 and there were a bunch of people saying he did something townie. I don't remember who. But there was 1 post I thought was townie Why only one?
Again. TT already did this but you guys are fucking braindead so I will quote again:
On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.
DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again.
Focus on DYH suddenly. Probably sparked by a comment from HTS.↑
Into the worst reason to scumread somebody ever. Literally the worst reason ever. If I compare Fidei his overall play and him not being able to find mafia and then look at how he suddenly is able to scumread DYH (which he recently and has been soft defending a couple times) out of this one post that is pretty random, then I can only conclude that Fidei is the best scumhunter that is capable to look like a total clueless fool for an entire game ever.
On April 25 2016 07:03 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:24 DoYouHas wrote:
@LS, I would very much like to hear your opinions on Koshi, GB, and HtS. This might be a nitpick thing, but I'm not sure why DYH wanted LS' view on GB, after he hard town read GB like an hour before.
You understand what I mean right? Look at Fidei his filter. The guy is solving literally nothing this game. Then out of this fucking quote he scumreads DYH?????
WELL PLAYED!
But then 2 minutes later he says this ↓
On April 25 2016 07:06 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani's play is giving me the serious heebie-jeebies right now.
So who do you think he will do a throw away vote on?
On April 25 2016 07:10 Fidei86 wrote:
Fuck it. I'm voting DYH. I'm not sold on the gumshoe / Koshi lynches, and I'm not sure I want to lynch GB either.
##Vote: DYH
YUP it is DYH. Makes 100% sense ofcourse. He caught DYH with that 1 quote, even though there are 2 instances in his filter defending DYH before that quote.
Now who does he push after he just said HTS her play gave him heebes jeebus and voting for DYH? ↓
On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote:
I'll consolidate onto GB over gumshoe/Koshi though.
Fuck yeah!!! Let's lynch one out of GB, Gumshoe and Koshi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking brilliant. That is 5 fucking people Fidei can lynch into. Fucking 92 hours into the game and he has 5 fucking people he can lynch into.
FUCKING AMAZING such a low pool after this brilliant scumhunter could find and place his vote on DYH for that 1 quote.
Brilliant. Also look at the time. Only 2 minutes after he decided to move his vote on DYH he is already screaming to lynch 3 other people. WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT?????????????
On April 25 2016 07:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Shape please vote ASAP so we can narrow this shit down.
On April 25 2016 07:16 Fidei86 wrote:
SHAAAAPPPEEE BROOOO you gotta vote in the next five minutes or so so we can have a sensible discussion about consolidating.
On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.
↑ Another 3 great posts in 3 minutes. Look at that. Nothing about DYH. Literally nothing.
SO WHY IS FIDEI ACTUALLY VOTING FOR DYH?? DO WE FUCKING KNOW?
NOPE
NOPE
NOPE
He has no fucking reason. And he is getting antsy. He needs people to consolidate on other wagons.
On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.
GUYS
GUYS COME ON
COME ON GUYS
FIDEI NEEDS TO FUCKING CONSOLIDATE ON ANYBODY BUT DYH.
COME ON GUYS
LETS CONSOLIDATE ON ANYBODY BUT THE GUY I AM VOTING FOR
On April 25 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
DoYouHas the Mafia Godfather has been lynched!
On April 25 2016 07:33 Fidei86 wrote:
ez.
On April 25 2016 07:37 Fidei86 wrote:LS: ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/5s.gif) Also Dani, I notice that you aren't including me and LS in your little list.
Don't think I'm not on to you.
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT GIVE FIDEI ALL THE FUCKING CRED IN THE WORLD ON THAT LYNCH HTS?????????????????????????????????????
FUCK YOU.
SERIOUSLY.
HE PUSHED DYH SO FUCKING HARD.
FUCK OFF. COME ON...................................................................
On April 25 2016 08:02 Fidei86 wrote:Dani. Are you actually serious right now. How on earth can it be me. I was the one saying "hey, we could def lynch DYH here" and then I voted him second, when GB had three votes. I could have easily gone on GB after clearing gum and Koshi.
And also, I am basically universally townread (or at least, nobody seems to have me on their scum list apart from TT). In what universe do I as mafia enter the thread, call the two leading wagons (gum / Koshi) bad, then REFUSE to get onto the GB wagon WHEN IT WAS LEADING BY MILES and bus the GF. ARE YOU ACTUALLY F'ING SERIOUS WITH ME RIGHT NOW. The only reason you're IN ANY WAY thinking it could be be is to keep the lynch pool wider than it might be. Which I guess is a good reason not to move you off the top of my lynch list 
UNIVERSAL TOWNREAD FIDEI WHO JUST LYNCHED THE MAFIA GODFATHER REPORTING IN.
100% TOWN
ALL HAIL OUR OVERLORD FIDEI
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The only thing I like about your post is that I got to see the high five gif again.
Apologies for not making any posts this evening, my friends wanted to play counter strike. I'm gonna head to work early tomorrow and play then, I double promise.
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Oh yay, my internet is back up at home!
Means I wont have to head into work early just to check in and post. However you all should be aware that I am not able to be around for EoD today. I have to leave for me 2nd job almost 2 hours before.
So my last post wasn't legit, I was half just being snarky and half fishing for reactions. I actually thought the whole argument between Gum and GB looks really Town on Town to me and the way HtS came into it did not look at all like Mafia trying to fence sit it looked like she was really trying to read what was going on when mafia would be just fine with town fighting each other like that.
Thus I'm im left with my scum read on Fidei, who I'll be voting unless there was anything interesting that came up from my kinda silly reaction test.
Wow ok basically nothing has happened since I made that post, and I think Gum was the only person who reacted to it.
On April 27 2016 06:29 gumshoe wrote:
I'm sorry, I got a bit zealous, I do that when I feel scum is right I front of me( in the other game I was sure 2 people were scum together,and tried to make things try to fit as such, this has less to do with my alignment and more with my flaws )
Gb is scum I'm sure of that, but yeah I got a bit carried away and fucked up / : on top of thinking gb is scum, I want him to be scum and that is a poor mindset I admit and one I'll try to avoid going forward.
I'll look at hts tic and fedie a filters again in case there's something world consuming in there, but I'm pretty confident about gb, but I'll admit could just be mah confirmation bias flaring.
Also no one should ever be lynched for using the word brah, it's a lovely word.
My initial thought is why are you so apologetic in this post Gum? Seems kinda odd to apologize for pushing who you think is scum unless they just flipped town.
Though I saw this post...
On April 27 2016 04:46 gumshoe wrote:
ah fuck, yeah theres a big jump T_T my bad only the gloat post counts.
sorry for the mistake gb ) : you still scum
So maybe it was more related to that.
Yea I see nothing from Fidei today that changes my mind. Koshi did more to push HtS today than Fidei has (even though he keeps saying HtS is his choice of lynch), and his reasoning felt a lot more believable... well "believable" maybe isn't the right word, Organic?
Here you go, for comparison.
+ Show Spoiler [Fidei's] +Dani is a really good Mafia player. In games I've played with her has town, she has crushed it. In this game, she hasn't been right about anything. At EOD2 she kept saying she was considering DYH, but at the same time she ended up on GB - someone she didn't really ever develop a read on. Also for someone who has posted a lot of VCA, and who was here at EOD, it's bizarre she had me as a higher likelihood of Mafia over TT. There might be reasons why she's playing not so well this game. But my view is that the most likely reason is that she's Mafia.
+ Show Spoiler [Koshi's] +On April 26 2016 18:01 Koshi wrote:Reasons why I am now voting HTS: 1) To raise awareness that also HTS could be mafia. 2) Because she wrote 5 lines on why FF was null early in the game that made me puke. 3) Because she wrote this to defend DYH, which made 0 sense because that wasn't even anything DYH did: Show nested quote +Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either. 4) Because I can
All I really see from Fidei is him saying how town he is for voting DYH and not hopping on any other wagons. Which as both Koshi and I have been pointing out looks kinda weird when you look at his filter kus he twice states he is going to filter DYH and really comes up with nothing from them. He didn't really push any of his other scumreads (I don't even recall what happened to his read on Gum, Fidei solo voted Gum D1).
Like I could legit see DYH in mafia QT going "Sorry dude I can't really be bothered and LS is actually pushing me enough I could be lynched, you should bus me early for the cred and hopefully stay off the radar for a few days at least" might even explain why LS was the NK...
At the very least everyone should give his filter a once over while putting aside the fact that he voted 2nd on DYH (at least just for a moment) and see for yourselves if Koshi and I are just talking out our asses or not.
##Vote F-word-dude
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Reading....and reading....and reading. Work is pure insanity but I'm trying my best.
##unvote
For these reasons:
The gumshoe/GlowingBear duel alone and the manner in which he pushed back gave me serious pause. Also his responses to me make a little more sense in terms of why he's playing the way he is if he is town. I also looked at the rest of his reads.
There was a part of me that when I looked at gumshoe's role in the duel I was grappling between mafia trying to bury town, or someone who was just 1000% confirmation biased. I'm honestly seeing bits of both though in his filter. I'll re-read that exchange again to make sure I'm not missing anything, but it was difficult for me because those two had so many question marks Days 1 and 2.
I haven't gotten to Koshi/Tictock cases in depth (reading Fidei's filter in context of the thread) quite yet on Fidei, but if Fidei is mafia, that would mean I'd have to accept that to an extent, he's broken meta. But both Koshi and Tictock have made some excellent points and when I skim Fidei's filter, the fact he has Tictock, me and GB in the lynch pool - makes me even more worried after having looked at the exchange between GB and gumshoe.
I know I'm town, I'm pretty sure Tictock is town, and I'm starting to think GB is town. And the use of votes for Day 2 is debunked - Tictock made a case on that and I verified it with the way the votes came in Day 2.
Furthermore, Fidei does fall off hard as mafia as the game goes on. Him deferring reads on us or not even pushing his most likely scumread is all the more reason I should revisit that. Also Fidei saying that I'm wrong on everyone without looking into why I've been wrong or making a case on that looks very much at face value he might be trying to hold out and see what is taking off with town having been disorganised all game.
GB, you said the votes were the only reason that you were townreading Fidei, but you said nothing memorable was from him. I think based on that you should probably double check that.
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This message is for Shapelog and Tumble.
(Especially Shapelog, whom I've seen post in a few other threads in the TL Mafia, but not here.)
If you are reading this thread simultaneously and trying to work stuff out of course, then disregard, but if you aren't/haven't already...
COULD THE TWO OF YOU FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS GOOD AND HOLY GET YOUR ARSES BACK IN THIS THREAD AND GIVE SOME INPUT????
Moving on....
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I am/have been reading Fidei's filter as I get free time at college.
Quick reply though
But in his filter it doesn't make sense. Reading his filter, he was on Koshi all cycle. But town were consolidating on DYH, and yet he was voting Koshi with DYH even after he said he was uncomfortable with DYH's play.
GB also being off the wagon would also fit with him just having zero influence, or clearly not enough influence to get Koshi lynched, I know I definitely came around to the point on day 2 I wasn't going to lynch him. Like I feel with everything else pointing to him, I cannot ignore that possibility.
By the time town considtation (I am using LS post about wanting to lynch DYH more), GB had already declared afkiness.
About DYH: this is his reasoning (I went to find it)
On April 25 2016 05:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh DYH. If you're Mafia you've just pocketed me with your sexy, sexy support to my case.
##Unvote
##vote: Koshi
IT is kinda meh tbh. Not totally great reason to drop sus. on anyone. Thou, I can see town doing this (and have seen town doing this)
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Well after last night I have reason to think GB is not mafia here, so I'm at the point where I'm looking through gumshoe and Fidei, hopefully I can finish that up either my next breather at work or after my barre class when I get off work.
I thought Fidei might be town at first but after Tictock's case debunked the order of the votes and Koshi's case stressed the manner in how DYH was voted, along with other factors, he absolutely deserves the scrutiny. And then skimming Fidei's filter again, the only thing Fidei stresses is the order of the votes and that's about the only thing he does to come up with his lynch pool.
First gumshoe v GB one more time though.
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Well I didn't get up early because I'm lazy. And I've been at work all day. But I'm kicking off early to get home and start looking seriously through filters.
Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on.
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So that entire push on GB was based on a mistake after re-reading. Post #842 lends support to how gumshoe might be town, and ergo, the gumshoe v GB clash being town on town.
gumshoe is using his meta knowledge/expectations of GB (which is subjective obviously, I don't know whether to trust that since I haven't played with him enough) to further continue scumreading him (post 844/849/860), so I can't really say anything with confidence there. But the duration of the fight plus that post indicates gumshoe is possibly town in that.
The final sentence in post 860 could come from either alignment, mafia wanting to bury or someone too deep into the tunnel.
Not sure why gumshoe is townreading Fidei though, but only one of them can be scum at this point (duh).
Also re: post 866, I stand corrected there gumshoe, that point was in reference to him giving up on your alignment. I misread there.
Alright, onwards to Fidei then.
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Another thing to note about Fidei is that he has done jack all today but defend himself. He's just stuck with his PoE list, and I still don't get why he wants to lynch HtS over me who has far more points about in his filter.
I mean I get things come up and whatnot he has been around this phase but it's getting closer and closer to deadline with no real effort to push his scumreads or refine his PoE list.
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On April 28 2016 00:45 Fidei86 wrote:
Well I didn't get up early because I'm lazy. And I've been at work all day. But I'm kicking off early to get home and start looking seriously through filters.
Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on.
Why are you trying to convince her you are town, when she is your prime scumread?
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On April 28 2016 00:45 Fidei86 wrote:
Well I didn't get up early because I'm lazy. And I've been at work all day. But I'm kicking off early to get home and start looking seriously through filters.
Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on.
"Not necessary" is not the point. That is actually WIFOM. DYH bailed from the thread for goodness knows what reason. The mafia motivation to bus and go solo is exactly for town cred. Surely you remember that from Dark Tournament. You saw what happened with disformation who was scumformation trying to get credit but Shining tapped him on that one.
Also like I said before votes are just one data point in the whole thing and second, the thing that bothered me about you is that you aren't looking into why we did what we did. You're solely focusing on the order of the votes and Tictock provided a very good explanation (which I verified) as to why that doesn't mean jack all.
And in trying to get me lynched you're focusing on that we (Tictock and I) were wrong, and not why. Koshi called you on it (the flipped mafia being afk), but I'll reiterate - we've waited for two nights now for you to get reads out on the people in your lynch pool and adding to the concern is reasoning for thinking everyone in that lynch pool of yours is town.
I'm not just looking at the votes James, I'm looking at everything as a whole. Which you seem to be quite conveniently ignoring >_<
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On April 28 2016 00:53 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:45 Fidei86 wrote:
Well I didn't get up early because I'm lazy. And I've been at work all day. But I'm kicking off early to get home and start looking seriously through filters.
Also HTS you were here during the votes. This is ludicrous. You know me. You think as the last scum I bussed my last buddy to go solo? And that I did it when it was absolutely not necessary? Or that my call for 'consolidating' was actually a call to move off DYH? Yeah, if I'm alive at the end you absolutely have to look again at everyone. But voting me now over people who didn't vote scum last round on a last minute shenanigan? Come on. Why are you trying to convince her you are town, when she is your prime scumread?
I know the answer to this question, but I'll let him answer that one...
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On April 28 2016 00:51 Tictock wrote:
Another thing to note about Fidei is that he has done jack all today but defend himself. He's just stuck with his PoE list, and I still don't get why he wants to lynch HtS over me who has far more points about in his filter.
I mean I get things come up and whatnot he has been around this phase but it's getting closer and closer to deadline with no real effort to push his scumreads or refine his PoE list.
And I ALSO am sure I know the answer to this question as well. I've even mentioned it in my filter at least once over now.
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IDK? Mafia is stressful and time consuming and it's a lot easier to defend myself than to go through filters? But I am going to do that this evening, in plenty of time I promise.
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On April 28 2016 00:51 Tictock wrote:
Another thing to note about Fidei is that he has done jack all today but defend himself. He's just stuck with his PoE list, and I still don't get why he wants to lynch HtS over me who has far more points about in his filter.
I mean I get things come up and whatnot he has been around this phase but it's getting closer and closer to deadline with no real effort to push his scumreads or refine his PoE list.
This has not gone unnoticed.
I'm voting James right now, in the middle of re-reading the end of day 2, but I am going to AFK and catch the earlier barre class so I can get back earlier and finish through Koshi's case to be absolutely sure, and check for any responses esp James.
Admittedly, I'm questionable for a 2330 EoD, because I have a very early start tomorrow, but if it's looking ugly closer to the deadline, I'll have my phone on in bed....
Ah....life.
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I will say before filter diving that I absolutely expect TT to be suspicious of me, he always is. I find the fact that HTS, who is such a good player and cares so much about VCA, is still pushing me in circumstances where she at least must realise it is, as gumshoe said, le Derp.
Stop distracting me anyway, the faster I leave work the faster I can get home and write these posts I've been talking about for ages.
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On April 28 2016 01:11 Fidei86 wrote:
I will say before filter diving that I absolutely expect TT to be suspicious of me, he always is. I find the fact that HTS, who is such a good player and cares so much about VCA, is still pushing me in circumstances where she at least must realise it is, as gumshoe said, le Derp.
Stop distracting me anyway, the faster I leave work the faster I can get home and write these posts I've been talking about for ages.
Oh please, give me a damn break. I already said MULTIPLE times, to you, to GB, to whoever else that votes weren't the only thing I was looking at.
And I ALREADY just explained NOW why the argument you are making is WIFOM.
Now I'm off.
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HTS, I actually said I had no reason to scumread Fidei other than his play being very forgetful in this game.
By the way, I've been thinking about HTS and I believe that the way she is approaching the game, especially the situation between me and gumshoe, makes her very likely to be town.
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gumshoe and koshi are both a million times confirmed town forever for showing genuine displays of emotion and truly believing they've found scum
I really don't want to read hts's filter
gb and fidei have real cases against them so maybe one of them is scum, I'll look at them next
tt looks town still but hasn't gotten out of his comfort zone yet
shape is really blendy, but that's probably a result of being inactive so it's NAI
yw, going to make three more posts and then afk-vote someone 
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