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On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote:
oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game.
Ticktock, if you are here, I really think you have to explain this post and your vote D1.
At this point, we were 24 minutes before lynch. At that stage, voting was highly contested between FF and SL. Three minutes later, Damdred switched his vote taking it to three on SL and three on FF. SL hammered at 23:16.
You were in the thread. You saw a highly contested lynch, and nobody else was going to move to TW. Yet you didn't move.
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On April 22 2016 06:38 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Idk I kinda just want to lynch sl
He thinks koshi is town and voted him anyway total throw away vote.
Hasn't really done anything.
His ls read is strange to a point so are a few others.
But I'm having a hard time finding someone I want to lynch in the actives I feel like I'm having more of an issue finding people I solidly think are town this game. Koshi feels like town Koshi, but he's kinda attacked half the game and his LS read was bull. HtS and Fidei are probably my strongest townreads based on tone, activity, and drive to solve the game. You (Damdred) strike me as town for starting off trying to generate discussion and trying to lead town now when votes are all over. Shape feels a little better to me having reread the game. I thought the way he approached a few of his reads felt towny, though tbf I think I'm largely going on something I noticed about his read on me so I take it with a grain of salt. GB and FF are floating in a "I think they are town... maybe" space for me. Which leaves me: 2. sicklucker 7. DoYouHas 8. Tumblewood 11. LightningStrike 12. gumshoe
With regards to my post above, I also refer to the above post, where TT basically town reads FF and scum reads SL. But he does not vote to save his town read over one of his scum reads. And he posted on at least two occasions (before and after) how bad the lynch was.
This is very suspicious to me. I shall continue reading your filter.
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I must say, although as weird as it sounds, that I'm starting to believe TT is the last Mafia.
Does anyone understand why?
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On April 28 2016 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:
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I must say, although as weird as it sounds, that I'm starting to believe TT is the last Mafia.
Does anyone understand why?
Why don't you tell us?
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The Case on TT
The SL Omission
At #158, TT makes a list post of people he would not be opposed to lynching. His only previous read of SL was at #112, when he said that SL was "kinda underwhelming". #122 was at 10:22 BST. #158 was at 21:09 BST.
Later, TT says:
A few people asked why I left SL out of my "lynch list" earlier. It's weak but I felt like his first couple of posts were him trying to get the game going by throwing out an early vote. His last post reacting to GB's push felt kinda genuine as well.
His list post wasn't terrible and I kinda doubt he'd back off LS with the reasoning "hes so cute and trying hard" as scum.
So while SL is being very low key this game I'm not feeling like that is scum indicative.
In between those posts, the only post SL made was as follows:
On April 20 2016 21:11 sicklucker wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y7CxlX8.jpg) you need to chill dude I didnt even post in the vote thread its just for reactions mostly like always when I vote in the first 20 minutes.... I think the smart people are saving thire posts for tormorow/tonight when theres acual content to talk about. See ya then
It's gibberish. There is no way that could possibly have influenced TT's read on him. SL's list post, which TT refers to, was not made until 01:30 BST THE NEXT DAY. So TT throws a little shade on SL, then leaves SL off his scum list, then he refers to a post that happened AFTER his scum list was made.
The Tumble Case
None of the posts in it are convincing. It reads as though he just went through Tumble's filter and negatively spun each of Tumble's points.
First he says that Tumble's first three posts were contentless / notice me senpai. They weren't really. And fuck, Shapelog spent his first five posts INTENTIONALLY being dumb.
Then he says Tumble 'pushed' Shape on policy lynches. Tumble was just pointing out something he thought didn't make sense. He didn't make a massive point on it.
The rest of it is "he isn't reading the thread closely". At this stage lots of people were still dicking around / the thread was dead.
All in all it's just a super meh case on a now confirmed townie that was made early in the day cycle. I don't want to make too much out of this, other than it's just all a bit ... meh.
D1 Lynch
Okay, this is the biggie. Bear in mind through ALL of this TT has his vote on TW, his top scum read.
At #285 at 22:26 BST he posts this:
Idk part of me thinks SL could be town, but I can't really find anything to back that up... he's been really lackluster and looking over his filter I don't see any motivation to find scum really.
At #294, at 22:38 BST he posts this (shortened):
GB and FF are floating in a "I think they are town... maybe" space for me.
Which leaves me:
2. sicklucker
7. DoYouHas
8. Tumblewood
11. LightningStrike
12. gumshoe
At 23:03 BST he posts this, in response to SL:
On April 22 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote:
oh votings today I thought it was tormorow? why am I being lynched I gotta ask I think at this point the onus is on you to tell us why we shouldn't lynch you. As in, you really haven't done much at all this game.
He then posts again at 23:14 and 23:17 and three more posts before the deadline, one of which is:
On April 22 2016 07:26 Tictock wrote:
I got bad vibes from this lynch.
Seems like it's gunna happen regardless and nobody agrees with my other reads so bleh.
Maybe I'm wrong.
*fingers crossed*
Remember my analysis on HTS' EOD1 earlier. At 22:58 the vote was SL (3), FF (2), LS (2). At 23:09 it was SL (3) FF (3). Gumshoe hammered at 23:16 and then a bunch of people piled on late.
TT watched a wagon build on one of his town reads, and the main / only competing wagon was one of his top scum reads, and someone he had thrown quite a lot of shade on (see #319 at 23:01 and #328 at 23:06).
ALSO, and this is very important, his only scum read, Tumbleweed, was the FIRST onto FF at 22:49. TT then criticised gumshoe for getting onto the FF wagon at 23:22, saying it was "opportunistic".
At both 23:26 and 23:29 he posts how he didn't like the lynch.
TL;DR TT was present throughout the lynch, and chose to solo-wagon rather than voting FOR one of his scum reads (SL), in order to SAVE one of his town reads (FF), in circumstances where two of his top scum reads (TW and gum) were voting against his town read.
The rest
TT was unsure about DYH v GB, and eventually only got on DYH two minutes before deadline. I don't have a lot to say about that day really. TT was AFK for a lot ofit.
His push on me is all wrong, and it's weird because it's like he went through what happened and ignored the context on everything.
??
TT doesn't have a big filter, but he does give a lot of reads. I follow his logic relatively well, and although he is dead wrong on me I haven't hated much of what he said. But what I do hate, I really hate.
I think it's him.
But I'm going to read GB and gumshoe now.
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On April 28 2016 02:57 Fidei86 wrote:
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You know, for all the people voting me, I don't see anyone really considering anyone else (apart from gumshoe and GB against each other). When I flip town you're all going to have to rethink things. As far as I can see you're all just meandering towards my lynch. You're wasting time and this is exactly what mafia wants.
When you flip town we will obviously rethink things.
Even with your recent posts you are the person who did the least work. And are the least townie overall.
You are just the most logical lynch.
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TT made a couple good posts this game. No way we lynch him.
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On April 28 2016 05:00 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 02:57 Fidei86 wrote:
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You know, for all the people voting me, I don't see anyone really considering anyone else (apart from gumshoe and GB against each other). When I flip town you're all going to have to rethink things. As far as I can see you're all just meandering towards my lynch. You're wasting time and this is exactly what mafia wants.
When you flip town we will obviously rethink things. Even with your recent posts you are the person who did the least work. And are the least townie overall. You are just the most logical lynch.
Koshi. I beg you. Please think about this.
I have played two scum games. Ask anyone - I was horrible. I had zero self confidence, I basically didn't interact with the thread for vast swathes of it. I was carried by my team both times. You might say 'well you've been rubbish this game'. True, to an extent, but at the totally different end of the spectrum. I've been all over the place, scum reading people then town reading people. ETC. That is the opposite of my super reactive scum meta.
I did not need town cred at EOD2. Nobody apart from TT was on me. Nobody. Also, nobody apart from LS had said anything against DYH. The wagon would not have gotten going had I not got onto it. And DYH was the godfather. So if I was mafia I would have HAD to think that there was a decent chance of there being a cop who could just red check me.
Of course I accept its possible it was a bus. If I was Damdred or ritoky or something, it could have been. This would have been my THIRD scum game.
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I'm going to play CS:GO for a little bit, because I'm getting filter reading meltdown. Back in 40 mins or so.
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Yeah I don't see how you can't be mafia here.
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Koshi, who will you lynch when I flip town?
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You got a big post before EoN and you got a good early game. But you got a lot against you as well.
Nope. The case on you is solid.
1) You have done the least out of all remaining people. Maybe Shape looks worse.
2) Damdred put suspicion on you.
3) You voted for DYH for a non-reason. It was literally nothing and you voted him. Super strange.
4) after that you sat on DYH and begged town to vote 3 other people. You had HTS as second mafia and she wasn't in those 3.
5) After rereading you found a 6th mafia in TT. What were you doing before??
And then there are suspicious posts like the ones I pointed out:
1) You are not reading the thread. You made a couple posts that showed that. (like saying I should vote you while I did)
2) You never showed any indication of trying to solve the game in your head. You said some random things about people, but they never added up in your head and helped you solve the game.
3) You made suspicious posts. (like the one in which you couldn't understand how not both GB and DYH could be mafia)
etc etc
You just need to go and after that we will see what we will do.
Shape/TT/gumshoe are still possible mafia. But they are less likely to be mafia than you. And if one of those flip town we will always need to lynch you before the end of the game.
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![[image loading]](http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8yygk2w2l1rvydimo1_250.gif) but I feel like ![[image loading]](http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzEwLzA0Lzk2L3RpcmVkY2F0LjBjYTQyLmdpZgpwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg4NTA-CmUJanBn/94328f4e/258/tired-cat.jpg)
Finishing this post that I started around the time I said I had 10 mins.
Koshi narrative + my want anyways to read Fidei86 filter + Time = this,
Also, I guess Koshi is stuck on the whole overlord(s) thing now. Grovey.
On April 25 2016 05:51 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:19/40 On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:
@HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently. I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective. Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense.So I'm at Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYHNot scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB
This is really a Interesting post to be quite honest. This is before the defensive posts and what not btw.
idk what to make of quite honestly. It integrates me that he has listed that he does not have a particular reason to lynch DYH, defends and then posts this:
On April 25 2016 06:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Dani, how can Shape be mafia. What mafia gets onto a bussing wagon, then stays on it until AFTER another wagon has formed and is hitting town, to get onto the ML. That just makes no sense to me.
DYH though, I could dig. I'm going to re-read his filter again.
after not talking about why he was voting him.
And I can't really find a change, in terms of reads, when I look at that part of the filter or even afterwards. Most of his talk towards it was about why he wouldn't do it as scum (afterwards). But, Noir taught me that not everyone labels everything down (Yammty for example.)
I feel like if I knew the top part, it would be more helpful, as I currently know more reasons why he TR DYH that day instead of why he wanted him to be lynched. Annoyly, I want it.
Then you got the points Koshi made, about the consolidation (idc if this is spelled right or not to be honest), I agree with most of his points tho, this one I kinda have mix feelings about.
On April 25 2016 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Can people please get their shit together and vote now. If nobody else is switching I need to decide which of GB / gum / Koshi to lynch.
As this does make sense, in line with a mindset to consolidation with town, as that would mean that he doesn't want the wagons to be split heavily. Therefore, he would change vote in this serine. I think.
Anyways, looking pasted the "great" associative/vote powers I have. The rest of his filter,
-Pretty defensive tbh. I prob. glace at his scum games on record to see if this is a trend or not. I understand him wanting credit for what he did if he is town, yet it seems extreme, and even happen before Day2 (VC from D1)
-Rollercoaster read progression on HTS. Like his hands goes up and down no matter what (you get a cookie if you get the reference)
There is more, just don't feel like quoting it all
On April 23 2016 23:33 Fidei86 wrote:
Having read back through the filters, I've sort of talked myself back round on HTS and TT. There is a lot lot of suspicious stuff in their filters, but nobody else seems to see the link / soft defending I see, and I may just be paranoid. Both have had some pretty good analysis since the D2 flip. And as I said before, SL went after HTS pretty hard in circumstances where it was more than possible she might actually become a target.
As I said before, if Dani makes it to D4ish, I'm going to get the mega tin foil out. But for now, I'm okay with her as town.
TW is town obviously. I'm pretty sold on LS as town, actually.
The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game.
(Yes, I accept I just flipped on my two top scum reads, was wrong on Damdred and SL and have also been very questionable this game. But I know I'm town, so there).
On April 25 2016 07:53 Fidei86 wrote:
I think I have three posts left, so I want to use one of them to say that there is no f'ing reason whatsoever to TR TT or HTS. I'm going to go Dani -- TT -- GB -- you. But honestly I think if it is one of them, they'll tap out long before we get there.
But it went from top town -> scum -> town again -> scum again -> 1st lynch option -> "HEY, PAYASO (HTS), Don't you clown me!" while she was scum -> wtf it is now.
Super flip floply.
-Sus. on TT
-Plays CS, then complains about having to skip practice. Not trying to be a dick here, but...procrastination isn't great skill to have. Trust me, I know (college)
Well I still procrastinate, but, I am trying to save you.
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HEY,
Speak of the devil. Giving meh his meta.
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Fuck it.
I am the Jailkeeper. I saved Damdred N1 (I got roleblocked) and Tumble N2. I saved Damdred right at the end of N1 - I was on HTS before that, because I figured she's strong town and a natural N1), but at the end I thought Damdred was a) more towny, b) more universally read as townie and therefore c) most likely to be the shot.
I was fucking raging after Damdred flipped. I sent Artanis like three PMs yelling.
I did not want to claim because we desperately need a save to get another mislynch and avoid 3v1 LYLO.
The reason I've played like this is in large part because I thought that my killing DYH was SO TOWNIE that I might be the shot N3. And I really wanted to survive long enough to save TW. Obviously me drawing attention to myself worked too well.
I am claiming now to give town enough time to find a new lynch. I think it should be TT.
Can you please all now start thinking about the game rather than just waiving through this fucking mislynch on me.
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(In case it wasn't obvious, the last mafia is a roleblocker)
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So you saved Damdred and it didn't count? Really?
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Ok Shape. Are you jailkeeper? You said something about being in jail.
Or are you a blue?
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EPT
