On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote: You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that.
the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / :
also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it.
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y"
it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all)
Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense.
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)
Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-
Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD
I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.
Where did I ever say the bolded?
I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.
And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.
scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this
You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe
as for where you said that stuff about damdred.
day 1-
I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm
yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)
I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.
Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again.
yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then )
I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this.
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about?
obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie.
you said you would sheep damdred
you had a case on sl
you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch
and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded).
super duper wierd brah / :
I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention.
It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post.
I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you?
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
also if you know anything about me you know I get tunneled as fuck once I have a bigger picture in place XD sometimes im wrong sometimes im right, usually its a bit of both. Honestly if you knew or remembered anything about me youd know its indicative of my town play : P
the bolded is kind of a lie. Thread sentiment is going in a million directions (fidei, tt, hts)
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y"
it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all)
Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense.
Yet, in Vanila town, you've reevaluated me every time. You were the only one willing to see me coming from town perspective, and you did it right. Now you refuse to do that, no matter how informational my filter is. You are just here, pushing me forever and ever, refusing to see it. Just grinding arguments, no matter how poor they are, and throwing them against me. You're not trying to uncover my alignment, gum. You're desperately trying to set me up for the lynch.
It's simply just extremely poor town play or just Mafia sole survivor trying to win this.
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)
Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-
Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD
I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.
Where did I ever say the bolded?
I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.
And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.
scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this
You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe
as for where you said that stuff about damdred.
day 1-
I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm
yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)
I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.
Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again.
yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then )
I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this.
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about?
obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie.
you said you would sheep damdred
you had a case on sl
you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch
and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded).
super duper wierd brah / :
I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention.
It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post.
I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you?
time stamps
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
time of damdred indicating switching his vote
April 21 2016 15:07 PDT
want to lynch ff now.
Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.
SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.
10 min before that
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
also if you know anything about me you know I get tunneled as fuck once I have a bigger picture in place XD sometimes im wrong sometimes im right, usually its a bit of both. Honestly if you knew or remembered anything about me youd know its indicative of my town play : P
the bolded is kind of a lie. Thread sentiment is going in a million directions (fidei, tt, hts)
your not as persecuted as you think XD
This tunneled? No, I've never seen you this tunneled in vanilla. I've seen you with a really bigger grasp of the game.
Anyway, I'm done discussing these things with you. You're either Mafia or tunneled town and nothing I can do will change that, as you will try to overthrow all my arguments against me no matter how convincing they are.
[QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:39 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:23 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)
Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-
Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD
I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.[/QUOTE]
Where did I ever say the bolded?
I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.
And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.[/QUOTE]
scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this
[quote]You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe[/quote]
as for where you said that stuff about damdred.
day 1-[quote]I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm[/quote]
yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away [quote]My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him[/quote]
you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl [quote] This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote]
(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)
I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.
Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. [/QUOTE]
yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then )
I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this.
[quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote]
you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about?
obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie.
you said you would sheep damdred
you had a case on sl
you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch
and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded).
super duper wierd brah / : [/QUOTE]
I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention.
It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post.
I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you? [/QUOTE]
time stamps
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
[quote]This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote]
time of damdred indicating switching his vote
April 21 2016 15:07 PDT
[quote] want to lynch ff now.
Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.
SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.[/quote]
10 min before that
[quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote]
time of damdred switching his vote [quote] April 21 2016 15:09 PDT [/quote]
20 min seems about right.[/QUOTE
ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town.
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y"
it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all)
Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense.
Yet, in Vanila town, you've reevaluated me every time. You were the only one willing to see me coming from town perspective, and you did it right. Now you refuse to do that, no matter how informational my filter is. You are just here, pushing me forever and ever, refusing to see it. Just grinding arguments, no matter how poor they are, and throwing them against me. You're not trying to uncover my alignment, gum. You're desperately trying to set me up for the lynch.
It's simply just extremely poor town play or just Mafia sole survivor trying to win this.
yeah, cause you were town XD id didnt revaluate shit, i knew you were town all game and pushed it. I was certain gb, just as im certain now.
regardless of wether its poor play, its how I play. Its how I enjoy playing mafia as town and its how I want to win, and I dont think your such a pro that you have any right to judge how I choose to play : P
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)
Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-
Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD
I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.
Where did I ever say the bolded?
I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.
And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.
scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this
You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe
as for where you said that stuff about damdred.
day 1-
I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm
yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)
I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.
Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again.
yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then )
I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this.
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about?
obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie.
you said you would sheep damdred
you had a case on sl
you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch
and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded).
super duper wierd brah / :
I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention.
It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post.
I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you?
time stamps
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia
time of damdred indicating switching his vote
April 21 2016 15:07 PDT
want to lynch ff now.
Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.
SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.
10 min before that
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
time of damdred switching his vote
April 21 2016 15:09 PDT
20 min seems about right.
ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town.
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y"
it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all)
Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense.
Yet, in Vanila town, you've reevaluated me every time. You were the only one willing to see me coming from town perspective, and you did it right. Now you refuse to do that, no matter how informational my filter is. You are just here, pushing me forever and ever, refusing to see it. Just grinding arguments, no matter how poor they are, and throwing them against me. You're not trying to uncover my alignment, gum. You're desperately trying to set me up for the lynch.
It's simply just extremely poor town play or just Mafia sole survivor trying to win this.
yeah, cause you were town XD id didnt revaluate shit, i knew you were town all game and pushed it. I was certain gb, just as im certain now.
regardless of wether its poor play, its how I play. Its how I enjoy playing mafia as town and its how I want to win, and I dont think your such a pro that you have any right to judge how I choose to play : P
Dude, are you taking this personally? Because, again, I'm judging you play on THIS game. Relax.
I don't consider me a pro, I'm far from that, but I still have an opinion on what I find stupid or not
[QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:41 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:39 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:23 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)
Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-
Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD
I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.[/QUOTE]
Where did I ever say the bolded?
I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.
And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.[/QUOTE]
scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this
[quote]You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe[/quote]
as for where you said that stuff about damdred.
day 1-[quote]I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm[/quote]
yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away [quote]My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him[/quote]
you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl [quote] This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote]
(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)
I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.
Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. [/QUOTE]
yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then )
I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this.
[quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote]
you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about?
obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie.
you said you would sheep damdred
you had a case on sl
you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch
and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded).
super duper wierd brah / : [/QUOTE]
I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention.
It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post.
I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you? [/QUOTE]
time stamps
April 21 2016 15:28 PDT
[quote]This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote]
time of damdred indicating switching his vote
April 21 2016 15:07 PDT
[quote] want to lynch ff now.
Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.
SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.[/quote]
10 min before that
[quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote]
time of damdred switching his vote [quote] April 21 2016 15:09 PDT [/quote]
20 min seems about right.[/QUOTE
ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town.
LMFAO dude. I don't even [/QUOTE]
bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD
[quote]There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.[/quote] (dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing)
and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do?
On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y"
it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all)
Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense.
Yet, in Vanila town, you've reevaluated me every time. You were the only one willing to see me coming from town perspective, and you did it right. Now you refuse to do that, no matter how informational my filter is. You are just here, pushing me forever and ever, refusing to see it. Just grinding arguments, no matter how poor they are, and throwing them against me. You're not trying to uncover my alignment, gum. You're desperately trying to set me up for the lynch.
It's simply just extremely poor town play or just Mafia sole survivor trying to win this.
yeah, cause you were town XD id didnt revaluate shit, i knew you were town all game and pushed it. I was certain gb, just as im certain now.
regardless of wether its poor play, its how I play. Its how I enjoy playing mafia as town and its how I want to win, and I dont think your such a pro that you have any right to judge how I choose to play : P
Dude, are you taking this personally? Because, again, I'm judging you play on THIS game. Relax.
I don't consider me a pro, I'm far from that, but I still have an opinion on what I find stupid or not
I take everything personally brah : P I just dont let it cloud my judgement (as I didnt in vanilla or normal) anything worth putting time into is something worth caring about, and bieng involved is fine so long as that doesnt mean bias.
As for relaxing, they'll be time for that after your dead dude : P
On April 26 2016 06:32 Half the Sky wrote: GB being mislynched a shittonne does not give any indication for his play now. He fakeclaimed in Firefly yes, but I don't believe he did jack all in Outlaw. Fakeclaims are done for specific reasons when they aim for the objectives needed (to draw a blue, to divert a lynch, etc) and someone fakeclaiming or not does not and should not ever vindicate them. There's a ridiculous amount in GB's filter that indicates several problems including
(1) lack of followup day 1 reads,
(2) lack of engagement (or delayed engagement) with Koshi, he throws the names he does night 1 and I engage him first on Koshi when I discuss my phobias but he doesn't touch him until Koshi calls him on on this day 2.
(3) the dropped read on SL day 1.
(4) softpushing from sicklucker day 1 ("I'd lynch GB a little from his posts....and then selective reasoning on me when I was going to get lynched)
(5) his post highlighting why I was mafia was terrible in that it completely ignored arguments that were already made
(a) saying my posts are convoluted does not make me mafia when I explain them a bazillion times, furthermore that is parroting from Koshi one day later Damdred was confirmation biasing HARD but at least I could tell he was town based on interactions with other townies.
(b) Second it was VERY reasonable and not suspicious to surmise that a low-activity player was mafia, GB basically framed something that was townie (or at worst null) and framed it as mafia agenda. That behaviour itself is mafia driven. Read post 583 again if you don't understand.
(6) Softpushing from GB on DYH (see post 583) - he says DYH makes him uncomfortable, but what does he do about it? Nothing. He doesn't even engage him or change that read when he and DYH both vote Koshi. In post 628 you will see
(7) GB's push on Koshi makes no sense (through post 623). Koshi clearly explained why Shape was underwhelming compared to GB and that was based on the metas he had for both players. He def focused on some people more than others and he did use the argument too scummy to be scum, which was wrong on sicklucker...and he did the same for gumshoe. But it's a read that whilst bad is not exclusively mafia.
Alright, GB, let me go through point by point here. I want to see your responses, if any.
(1) I had issues with these, and when I tried to engage you on Koshi you didn't engage. You brought these names up without any followthrough and the way you wrote it, it looked like you were trying to see whether they would stick. Relevant quotes here.
On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: 22
Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
On April 23 2016 05:47 GlowingBear wrote: For what reason you think Koshi and LS are town, damdy?
You explained subsequently in pursuing Koshi, but where did the LS/gumshoe reads go?
(2) you've explained a little better just now in why you had an issue with Koshi, because you're sort of semi-metaing him as logical and you thought he had an agenda. Okay, moving on.
(3) The first thing (you'd see it in my filter here) that drew attention to you was how your SL read dropped. This looks really bad to me particularly when he's flipped mafia. Relevant quotes as follows (spoiler):
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
On April 22 2016 03:04 GlowingBear wrote: I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up
Post-lynch -
On April 22 2016 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: 22
Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere.
Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me.
What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
(4) I'm going to skip 4 because this was on SL, but when I take this and your read on SL dropping, to me it looks like both of you are trying to tread around each other
(5) You said my posts were convoluted and considering the argument you had against Koshi - let's take a step back. I directed you to Post 583, and I tried to illustrate to you that I wasn't JUST looking at VCA, I was also looking at general thread activity and a few other things to make the suggestion I did. Now that DYH has flipped mafia, does that make you reconsider your read in any way?
Also speaking of reconsidering reads, you also had Fidei in your lynch list. What about that read?
ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town.
LMFAO dude. I don't even
bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.
(dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing)
and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do?
ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town.
LMFAO dude. I don't even
bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.
(dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing)
and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do?
OF COURSE it could be a lie, but the point here is that you ARE ASSUMING it a lie without taking any step back because you are DESPERATELY trying to paint me as scum. You should start calling me Pinocchio, everything I say you assume it's a lie
If you think every play fits an agenda, explain to me my Mafia motivation to post that 2 minutes before deadline.
ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town.
LMFAO dude. I don't even
bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.
(dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing)
and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do?
OF COURSE it could be a lie, but the point here is that you ARE ASSUMING it a lie without taking any step back because you are DESPERATELY trying to paint me as scum. You should start calling me Pinocchio, everything I say you assume it's a lie
If you think every play fits an agenda, explain to me my Mafia motivation to post that 2 minutes before deadline.
for the BOLDED- whatever dyhs motivation was XD dyh did it, so we know scum had a reason, maybe gloating, maybe cred, who knows. Point is we have proof of scum doing it.
im assuming its a lie because its indentical to what dyh did. That in congunction with dyh's defense of you out of nowhere, and dyhs parroting of your koshi case and your push on koshi based off him not pushing me coupled with back peddling on your scum read of me plus your faint sl case and your agreeing with tic without acually reading what tic said all makes me think your scum. Theres quite a bit to it honestly / :
oh and then theres your lack of trying to solve the game AT ALL night 2
Dude.
I'll just vote you tomorrow because everything you say is convoluted. I can't bear reading your posts.
I've never lied a single time. If you still can't understand that the read I had on Koshi wasn't associative, there's nothing I can do.
-.-
You reeeeally tbink there is no other blue role with a GF flipped? Vigis aren't that powerful. They are double edged. I bet there is another blue role
+ why would I do that as Mafia, gum? If there is really a detective, I'm signing my death sentence
Jesus...
ROFL I was mad that people wagoned DYH but then he flipped godfather ROFL I'm so glad! Scum is getting rekt!
Well, if there is a town detective, just check me if you guys think I'm Mafia.
So you believe both Mafia wasted their votes day1 HTS?
(compare that to everyone elses bloody case work XD )
On April 27 2016 03:52 gumshoe wrote: also, you realize this
I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him.
is a bad thing right? You understand that scum like to make faint cases against each other right?
Clearly you do, as you attacked ls for a faint case early on.
Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it.
mang, its like your hacking off fingers to replace to fix your nose / :
It's exactly what you do every game when you're town ROFL
Also, just to be clear, I was NEVER against lynching SL, I just knew the case was weak to grant a lynch on him for solely that
I never make faint cases bro, I go all the fuck out XD when I make a case I do it cause I think there scum. when I voted damdred I thought he was scum, but his answer assuaged me, your lazy hole pocking does none of that for me now
also there was a point where sl was very close to getting lynched, and you showed up conviniently right after that window. And regardless of what you say about sl, what the facts state is that you let him slip.
No explanation now can fully fix actions that happened then / : hence my lack of me reconsideration during our current discourse.
EPT
