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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 17:21 GMT
#821
Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)

Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-

Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD

I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 26 2016 17:22 GMT
#822
Everyone has this theory that I bussed DYH for the town cred despite the fact I wasn't being pushed at all on D2 and was not in any of the three wagons that were leading up until the end.

...

Lol.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

I am heading home soon and I will post my thoughts on HTS / GB / Gumshoe / TT this evening.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 17:25 GMT
#823
On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote:
Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though.

I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game.

My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in.

Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added.


TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post??


Hts is pretty try's are omega townie, could be scum but should def be a last resort lynch. I'm more likely then her, but I really wouldn't have fallen into as many shitty spots on the vote as I have as scum XD

It's pretty clearly gb here guys / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 17:25 GMT
#824
On April 27 2016 02:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone has this theory that I bussed DYH for the town cred despite the fact I wasn't being pushed at all on D2 and was not in any of the three wagons that were leading up until the end.

...

Lol.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

I am heading home soon and I will post my thoughts on HTS / GB / Gumshoe / TT this evening.


I agree, people pushing you are le derp
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 26 2016 17:39 GMT
#825
On April 27 2016 02:16 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2016 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 26 2016 22:06 Half the Sky wrote:
4/40

GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote?

On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility.

So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS


How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei?

On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:
So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch).

Looking at vote timings after 2300:

On April 25 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: DoYouHas


On April 25 2016 07:03 Half the Sky wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear


On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote:
##Vote: DYH


On April 25 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: DYH


On April 25 2016 07:28 Tictock wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote DYH


On April 25 2016 07:29 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote dyh


So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from.

On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi.

We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread.


Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA?

How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense.

I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now.




I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back.


HtS:

1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off

2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive.

3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer.


1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias.

2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD

3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / :



I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff.

Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems
I'm adorable.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
April 26 2016 17:44 GMT
#826
Alright, If life can allow me to fucking play, then I can fucking play.

Some thoughts on the game.

I thought gb, after reading, he actually was on during the time the DYH lynch started, yet he declared afk status about 15 mins before LS's post about wanting to lynch DYH. And his next post is a few hours after the lynch. If it was what I thought it was (He was here while the DYH was getting pushed) then I would TR him for not standing up and defending.

Anyways,

Gb was focused on SL early on, yet I can see both sides of the coin doing it. Yet the prob (and this has prob. been said, do not care) I have is SL. SL only written person he wanted to lynch D1 was GB
On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote:
Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
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4
Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts

He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:

1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game
2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.

Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective


He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing.

I guess me or HTS he was keeping options open for. Anyways,

So SL wanted to lynch GB, and posts this right afterwards:
On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote:
Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox?


SL then goes afk, GB posts some things about reads and such. So maybe, scum!SL changed his mind on GB.
On April 22 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:
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On April 22 2016 07:17 Half the Sky wrote:
20/40

On April 21 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
15/40

[...]

sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions

(1) Why is Tictock strong?
(2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town
(3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long...
(4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.


sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post.

And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me?




1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk
2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town
3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt
4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage

Nope, he didn't. TT is a bit high on his list, for reasons he has trouble remembering. Noteing and moving on.

What is interesting to me though, is that SL obv. spent his time arguing for his survival, yet had a scum read (GB) that he could push from a scum perspective. And with the votes:
On April 22 2016 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vote Count:

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast

At the current vote, Fecalfeast is to be lynched.
until deadline.

On April 22 2016 07:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Final Vote Count:

Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) -LightningStrike, Damdred
Koshi (1) - SickluckerTroll vote
LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast


So HTS was a weird vote tbh. GB was much higher in his lynch list, even stated points again that would make him scum again. Really out of place in terms of reads and what not. + note the open option he had on me and HTS.

Idk, the fact that SL voted HTS (for being a lady killer?) over someone that he scum read makes no sense. The lynch was basically set at the time HTS was voted for too as well.

What is even more damming is the fact that two mafia basically off wagon vote. Which is strange tbh. It could be that mafia was a course fine with the wagon, which makes sense. But 2 mafia off wagoning (at the end), is quite strange tbh. 3 other people (Fidei86, TT, and GB) all also solo wagoned as well (for a total of 5 off wagons)

Then you got the people who voted for the people on the main wagon, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky and Me. Which, when I get more time, I look back at these people around the time of the start of the FF wagon.


D2:

VC:
On April 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Final Votecount - Day 2:

DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock
GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky
gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, Koshi
Koshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear
Shapelog (0) - Koshi
Tumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoe

DoYouHas is slated to be lynched.


Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time.

Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post.

The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there.


Things I saw in DYH filter


I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see.
  • Early pressure on gum
  • Pressure on me
  • Town read on HTS
  • Pressure on Koshi
  • Town read on GB (reason:case on Koshi)
  • On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
    There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight.

    Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going?


    Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum.

  • keep options open on me
  • Tinfoil, but it is possible he was lurking, since he GG after 4 mins after deadline, yet was AFK due to playing legue (which seems off to meh)



There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm.
The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well.

I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 26 2016 17:45 GMT
#827
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote:
Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)

Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-

Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD

I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.


Where did I ever say the bolded?

I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.

And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.
I'm adorable.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 17:58 GMT
#828
On April 27 2016 02:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2016 02:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 27 2016 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 26 2016 22:06 Half the Sky wrote:
4/40

GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote?

On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility.

So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS


How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei?

On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:
So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch).

Looking at vote timings after 2300:

On April 25 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: DoYouHas


On April 25 2016 07:03 Half the Sky wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear


On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote:
##Vote: DYH


On April 25 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: DYH


On April 25 2016 07:28 Tictock wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote DYH


On April 25 2016 07:29 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote dyh


So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from.

On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi.

We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread.


Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA?

How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense.

I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now.




I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back.


HtS:

1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off

2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive.

3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer.


1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias.

2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD

3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / :



I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff.

Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems


I also cant be mad at you for being scum and simply deflecting my points XD thats exactly what I expect you to do.

But yeah, I wont accept "im pushing him cause hes a pain" as a viable answer given our history. You have no right to vote me purely out of annoyance, that should not even factor into any of your reads, let alone your read of me considering how many times I've had to town read you while you pushed me for asinine reasons.

If you vote me, you do it because you think im scum and you make a case accordingly that goes beyond "hes twisting my words" and I expect you to do this as ether town or scum.

also the concern was not your read of koshi, thats whateves, maybe you were wrong, the problem is you scum read koshi for not voting me.

So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING?


you point this out as scummy, but you dont get to just do that gb, inconsistency must match agenda to prove scum.

The agenda here was clearly that koshi was avoiding voting me cause i was his scum mate. Which we know now to be bullshit, but was clearly what you were getting at the time.

then suddenly when I attacked you, you doubled the fuck back.

Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS.


this uncertainty completley clashes with what you were getting at in terms of your prior reasons for pushing koshi on day 2 (ie he was reluctant to vote me)



I'm not misrepresenting you gb, your the one going back and editing your own actions / : if your town your memory and reading comprehension is painfully lacking, but lucky for both us thats not the case
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
April 26 2016 18:01 GMT
#829
On April 27 2016 02:09 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote:
Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though.

I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game.

My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in.

Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added.


Why do you read HTS as town?
Why am I Mafia?


HtS has been putting in lots of analysis and has been staying pretty objective in her reads. I don't see her pushing an agenda or looking for easy lynches. Koshi said he hated her null read of FF early on but I felt like it showed her not rushing to conlusions and actually wanting to make an effort to read people carefully and correctly. Just in general I feel her flow of thoughts makes sense and the flow of her reads and posts resonates with me. I should go back over her filter to look at how she played around both EoD, but unless my issue at home gets fixed I'm not able to really filter dive easily.

Honestly I kinda do think you are town GB, but it's a kinda weak gut read. Your vote earlier on Gum felt a little off though, what happened to your read on Koshi?

I've been pondering the NK on LS kus that was not who I expected to be killed. However my best guess is that he was killed either because he was well off everyones radar or possibly the last scum thought they had a blue read on him.

Honestly I'm tempted to be a mule and just vote Fidei even if there is little chance of him getting lynched. I should prob make a better effort than that though... Then again we have tons of time and possibly even another blue role to help find the last scum so I'm not terribly modivated to reread and such.
I can take that responsibility.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 18:04 GMT
#830
On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:
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On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote:
Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)

Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-

Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD

I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.


Where did I ever say the bolded?

I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.

And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.


scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this

You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe


as for where you said that stuff about damdred.



day 1-
I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm


yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him


you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl

This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia


(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)

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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 18:05 GMT
#831
actually this ones title is perfect XD

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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
April 26 2016 18:06 GMT
#832
On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote:
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On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote:
Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though.

I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game.

My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in.

Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added.


TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post??


I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia.

I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred.
I can take that responsibility.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 26 2016 18:12 GMT
#833
On April 27 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 27 2016 02:39 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 27 2016 02:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 27 2016 00:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 26 2016 22:06 Half the Sky wrote:
4/40

GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote?

On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility.

So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS


How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei?

On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:
So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch).

Looking at vote timings after 2300:

On April 25 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: DoYouHas


On April 25 2016 07:03 Half the Sky wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear


On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote:
##Vote: DYH


On April 25 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote:
##Vote: DYH


On April 25 2016 07:28 Tictock wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote DYH


On April 25 2016 07:29 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote
##vote dyh


So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from.

On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi.

We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread.


Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA?

How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense.

I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now.




I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back.


HtS:

1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off

2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive.

3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer.


1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias.

2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD

3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / :



I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff.

Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems


I also cant be mad at you for being scum and simply deflecting my points XD thats exactly what I expect you to do.

But yeah, I wont accept "im pushing him cause hes a pain" as a viable answer given our history. You have no right to vote me purely out of annoyance, that should not even factor into any of your reads, let alone your read of me considering how many times I've had to town read you while you pushed me for asinine reasons.

If you vote me, you do it because you think im scum and you make a case accordingly that goes beyond "hes twisting my words" and I expect you to do this as ether town or scum.

also the concern was not your read of koshi, thats whateves, maybe you were wrong, the problem is you scum read koshi for not voting me.

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So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING?


you point this out as scummy, but you dont get to just do that gb, inconsistency must match agenda to prove scum.

The agenda here was clearly that koshi was avoiding voting me cause i was his scum mate. Which we know now to be bullshit, but was clearly what you were getting at the time.

then suddenly when I attacked you, you doubled the fuck back.

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Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS.


this uncertainty completley clashes with what you were getting at in terms of your prior reasons for pushing koshi on day 2 (ie he was reluctant to vote me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3R8tkvlAlk

I'm not misrepresenting you gb, your the one going back and editing your own actions / : if your town your memory and reading comprehension is painfully lacking, but lucky for both us thats not the case
methunks : P


That's the fucking problem, gum. You have a different view of the game than me. I think town has a certain way of approaching the game. Their thought process is often clear, especially when we are talking about a logical player as Koshi. When the thought processs is nebulous, a lot of times it is coming from scum.

For me, a town usually thinks like this: "I think this guy is scum, I'll vote him"
So when I see Koshi pointing fair suspicions on you but voting Shapelog for being "meh", I don't see it coming from a townie. And if it is not coming from a town, it is coming from which faction? Ta-da! Mafia.

It doesn't really have to fit an agenda. Not all plays have a clear objective when they are made. But every play follow a perspective. So regardless of agenda, does a play fit townie perspective of not?

That's exactly how I caught Artanis in the last game we've played together (newbie XX?) and it's almost the same diacussion I've had in that game. It's syllogism.

"Town thinks like this
Koshi isn't thinking like this
Therefore Koshi isn't town"

And if Koshi wasn't town, Koshi was Mafia to me, regardless of YOUR alignment.

Now I've explained in detail how I saw the situation. Whether you believe in me or not is up to you. Just don't make explain again and say I should be "trying". I'm tired of trying.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 26 2016 18:16 GMT
#834
On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote:
Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)

Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-

Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD

I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.


Where did I ever say the bolded?

I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.

And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.


scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this

Show nested quote +
You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe


as for where you said that stuff about damdred.



day 1-
Show nested quote +
I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm


yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away
Show nested quote +
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him


you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl
Show nested quote +

This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia


(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw


I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.

Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 18:16 GMT
#835
On April 27 2016 03:06 Tictock wrote:
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On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote:
On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote:
Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though.

I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game.

My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in.

Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added.


TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post??


I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia.

I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred.


you sir should get in mah pen.

I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi

also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved.


I don't agree with you. But I like this response.
( to me on koshi

I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.



@HtS - I agree that Shape's vote makes him less likely mafia.

GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi.


You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town.
(me on gb and fedie)

The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case.

TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet


whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall,


something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 26 2016 18:18 GMT
#836
You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency.

Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 26 2016 18:23 GMT
#837
On April 27 2016 03:16 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 27 2016 03:06 Tictock wrote:
On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote:
On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote:
Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though.

I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game.

My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in.

Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added.


TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post??


I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia.

I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred.


you sir should get in mah pen.

I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi

also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved.


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I don't agree with you. But I like this response.
( to me on koshi

Show nested quote +
I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.



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@HtS - I agree that Shape's vote makes him less likely mafia.

GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi.


Show nested quote +
You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town.
(me on gb and fedie)

The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case.

Show nested quote +
TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet


whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall,


something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps.


See, it's like you decided to call me Mafia and is searching every fucking reason to "reinforce" your argument. You twist facts to make them fit your scumread instead of impartially getting suspicious of me as information is dropped in thread.

You even misread my post. That's how convoluted you are. Thats why I'm finding hard to believe you're town.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 18:23 GMT
#838
On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote:
On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote:
Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh)

Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_-

Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD

I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.


Where did I ever say the bolded?

I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself.

And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.


scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this

You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe


as for where you said that stuff about damdred.



day 1-
I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm


yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him


you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl

This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia


(Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw


I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working.

Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again.


yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then )

I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this.

I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.


you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about?

obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie.

you said you would sheep damdred

you had a case on sl

you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch

and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded).

super duper wierd brah / :
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 26 2016 18:25 GMT
#839
On April 27 2016 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2016 03:16 gumshoe wrote:
On April 27 2016 03:06 Tictock wrote:
On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote:
On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote:
Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though.

I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game.

My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in.

Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added.


TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post??


I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia.

I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred.


you sir should get in mah pen.

I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi

also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved.


I don't agree with you. But I like this response.
( to me on koshi

I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.



@HtS - I agree that Shape's vote makes him less likely mafia.

GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi.


You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town.
(me on gb and fedie)

The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case.

TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet


whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall,


something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps.


See, it's like you decided to call me Mafia and is searching every fucking reason to "reinforce" your argument. You twist facts to make them fit your scumread instead of impartially getting suspicious of me as information is dropped in thread.

You even misread my post. That's how convoluted you are. Thats why I'm finding hard to believe you're town.


bro, im not searching for anything, the above post is all fact XD also you said youd sheep damdred, were in thread (as far as we can know) didnt bother.

I cant make that shit up. People accuse one another for weaker points than this mang, god your arguments against me in the past have been way way worse. I may be wrong, but having a read against you doesnt make me scum / :
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April 26 2016 18:26 GMT
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You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way.
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