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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_- Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
... Lol. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I am heading home soon and I will post my thoughts on HTS / GB / Gumshoe / TT this evening. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote: TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post?? Hts is pretty try's are omega townie, could be scum but should def be a last resort lynch. I'm more likely then her, but I really wouldn't have fallen into as many shitty spots on the vote as I have as scum XD It's pretty clearly gb here guys / : | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:22 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone has this theory that I bussed DYH for the town cred despite the fact I wasn't being pushed at all on D2 and was not in any of the three wagons that were leading up until the end. ... Lol. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I am heading home soon and I will post my thoughts on HTS / GB / Gumshoe / TT this evening. I agree, people pushing you are le derp | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:16 gumshoe wrote: 1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias. 2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD 3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / : I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff. Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems | ||
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Shapelog
United States5184 Posts
Some thoughts on the game. I thought gb, after reading, he actually was on during the time the DYH lynch started, yet he declared afk status about 15 mins before LS's post about wanting to lynch DYH. And his next post is a few hours after the lynch. If it was what I thought it was (He was here while the DYH was getting pushed) then I would TR him for not standing up and defending. Anyways, Gb was focused on SL early on, yet I can see both sides of the coin doing it. Yet the prob (and this has prob. been said, do not care) I have is SL. SL only written person he wanted to lynch D1 was GB On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote: Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing. I guess me or HTS he was keeping options open for. Anyways, So SL wanted to lynch GB, and posts this right afterwards: On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote: Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox? SL then goes afk, GB posts some things about reads and such. So maybe, scum!SL changed his mind on GB. On April 22 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote: 1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk 2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town 3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt 4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage Nope, he didn't. TT is a bit high on his list, for reasons he has trouble remembering. Noteing and moving on. What is interesting to me though, is that SL obv. spent his time arguing for his survival, yet had a scum read (GB) that he could push from a scum perspective. And with the votes: On April 22 2016 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count: Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast At the current vote, Fecalfeast is to be lynched. until deadline. On April 22 2016 07:31 Hapahauli wrote: Final Vote Count: Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) -LightningStrike, Damdred Koshi (1) - SickluckerTroll vote LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast So HTS was a weird vote tbh. GB was much higher in his lynch list, even stated points again that would make him scum again. Really out of place in terms of reads and what not. + note the open option he had on me and HTS. Idk, the fact that SL voted HTS (for being a lady killer?) over someone that he scum read makes no sense. The lynch was basically set at the time HTS was voted for too as well. What is even more damming is the fact that two mafia basically off wagon vote. Which is strange tbh. It could be that mafia was a course fine with the wagon, which makes sense. But 2 mafia off wagoning (at the end), is quite strange tbh. 3 other people (Fidei86, TT, and GB) all also solo wagoned as well (for a total of 5 off wagons) Then you got the people who voted for the people on the main wagon, Koshi, Gumshoe, Half the Sky and Me. Which, when I get more time, I look back at these people around the time of the start of the FF wagon. D2: VC: On April 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Final Votecount - Day 2: DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock GlowingBear (2) - gumshoe (1) - Koshi (2) - Shapelog (0) - Tumblewood (0) - DoYouHas is slated to be lynched. Ik someone made the agurement that Scum needed a ML here, and they associative read DYH and GB together that way. I kinda feel if that was the case though, that they would pick someone more like Gum to push, especially since Gum A) was easier to ML (guy basically voted for himself lol) and B) because anyone could have change his reads tbh to get him lynched. And the Gum was already in bad stands according to DYH. It also doesn't seem really realistic for them in the case to do that, as KOshi wasn't on top of enough peoples lynch list. There is also another one, in which someone said something about GB (maybe it was Gum) carrying the team, which is kinda meh considering the fact of the AFK time. Actually, it is kinda weird that he was sus. of Gum enough to say that he needed to get lynched, yet he didn't push. Hmm, I get to it in the DYH part of this post. The only real throw away vote tbh (I guess you could argue that GB is a bit throwy, yet it isn't solo) is from suppose vig (which btw, I trust his claim since him breadcrumbing and quick claim after sus. makes sense after dieing last game due to not claiming. I.E. Makes sense for him to be breadcrumbing and what not) So nothing there. Things I saw in DYH filter I've read his Filter, and this is some things I see.
There is actually a lot more pointing to GB than anyone else actually. Like I knew a lot pointed to him, but damm. The HTS vote from SL D1 over GB also seems a bit weird to me as well. I am going to reread some more filters. Primarily Gum and TT and maybe Fidei86. Koshi I feel strongly town btw. + Show Spoiler [OH YEAH] + Meta points on me have my 100% stamp of approveal. Also lol at tumble about me not spamming. + Show Spoiler + Guess I got to make it up huh?+ Show Spoiler + Maybeeee+ Show Spoiler + Forty spoilers shall do right?+ Show Spoiler + Idk, I might get ban+ Show Spoiler + Eh I got away with it before+ Show Spoiler + Are you actually reading this?+ Show Spoiler + Bad boy+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Dammit go away!+ Show Spoiler + Go+ Show Spoiler + Da+ Show Spoiler + Fuq+ Show Spoiler + Away+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Lets Play a game.+ Show Spoiler + ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTXfAtckS3g + Show Spoiler + What you going to DO BROTHER, WHEN THE SHAPELOG CLAIMS MEH!+ Show Spoiler + Meh is a great role+ Show Spoiler + Meh+ Show Spoiler + Meh+ Show Spoiler + Meh>+ Show Spoiler + Meh?+ Show Spoiler + MEH!+ Show Spoiler + Almost there!+ Show Spoiler + oops, your main was open+ Show Spoiler + Some lings got in+ Show Spoiler + Well a lot+ Show Spoiler + 89+ Show Spoiler + No workers left+ Show Spoiler + SHIT YOU GOT TEMPEST+ Show Spoiler + THIS IS BULL+ Show Spoiler + TOSS OP TOSS OP+ Show Spoiler + BLACK HAWK DOWN! BLACK HARK DOWN!!!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler + GJ, You wasted your life.+ Show Spoiler + But gain....+ Show Spoiler + A COOKIE! ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Choc-Chip-Cookie.jpg) | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh) Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_- Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here. Where did I ever say the bolded? I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself. And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:39 GlowingBear wrote: I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff. Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems I also cant be mad at you for being scum and simply deflecting my points XD thats exactly what I expect you to do. But yeah, I wont accept "im pushing him cause hes a pain" as a viable answer given our history. You have no right to vote me purely out of annoyance, that should not even factor into any of your reads, let alone your read of me considering how many times I've had to town read you while you pushed me for asinine reasons. If you vote me, you do it because you think im scum and you make a case accordingly that goes beyond "hes twisting my words" and I expect you to do this as ether town or scum. also the concern was not your read of koshi, thats whateves, maybe you were wrong, the problem is you scum read koshi for not voting me. So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING? you point this out as scummy, but you dont get to just do that gb, inconsistency must match agenda to prove scum. The agenda here was clearly that koshi was avoiding voting me cause i was his scum mate. Which we know now to be bullshit, but was clearly what you were getting at the time. then suddenly when I attacked you, you doubled the fuck back. Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS. this uncertainty completley clashes with what you were getting at in terms of your prior reasons for pushing koshi on day 2 (ie he was reluctant to vote me) I'm not misrepresenting you gb, your the one going back and editing your own actions / : if your town your memory and reading comprehension is painfully lacking, but lucky for both us thats not the case methunks : P | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:09 GlowingBear wrote: Why do you read HTS as town? Why am I Mafia? HtS has been putting in lots of analysis and has been staying pretty objective in her reads. I don't see her pushing an agenda or looking for easy lynches. Koshi said he hated her null read of FF early on but I felt like it showed her not rushing to conlusions and actually wanting to make an effort to read people carefully and correctly. Just in general I feel her flow of thoughts makes sense and the flow of her reads and posts resonates with me. I should go back over her filter to look at how she played around both EoD, but unless my issue at home gets fixed I'm not able to really filter dive easily. Honestly I kinda do think you are town GB, but it's a kinda weak gut read. Your vote earlier on Gum felt a little off though, what happened to your read on Koshi? I've been pondering the NK on LS kus that was not who I expected to be killed. However my best guess is that he was killed either because he was well off everyones radar or possibly the last scum thought they had a blue read on him. Honestly I'm tempted to be a mule and just vote Fidei even if there is little chance of him getting lynched. I should prob make a better effort than that though... Then again we have tons of time and possibly even another blue role to help find the last scum so I'm not terribly modivated to reread and such. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote: Where did I ever say the bolded? I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself. And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you. scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe as for where you said that stuff about damdred. day 1- I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia (Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions) | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote: TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post?? I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia. I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 27 2016 02:58 gumshoe wrote: I also cant be mad at you for being scum and simply deflecting my points XD thats exactly what I expect you to do. But yeah, I wont accept "im pushing him cause hes a pain" as a viable answer given our history. You have no right to vote me purely out of annoyance, that should not even factor into any of your reads, let alone your read of me considering how many times I've had to town read you while you pushed me for asinine reasons. If you vote me, you do it because you think im scum and you make a case accordingly that goes beyond "hes twisting my words" and I expect you to do this as ether town or scum. also the concern was not your read of koshi, thats whateves, maybe you were wrong, the problem is you scum read koshi for not voting me. you point this out as scummy, but you dont get to just do that gb, inconsistency must match agenda to prove scum. The agenda here was clearly that koshi was avoiding voting me cause i was his scum mate. Which we know now to be bullshit, but was clearly what you were getting at the time. then suddenly when I attacked you, you doubled the fuck back. this uncertainty completley clashes with what you were getting at in terms of your prior reasons for pushing koshi on day 2 (ie he was reluctant to vote me) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3R8tkvlAlk I'm not misrepresenting you gb, your the one going back and editing your own actions / : if your town your memory and reading comprehension is painfully lacking, but lucky for both us thats not the case methunks : P That's the fucking problem, gum. You have a different view of the game than me. I think town has a certain way of approaching the game. Their thought process is often clear, especially when we are talking about a logical player as Koshi. When the thought processs is nebulous, a lot of times it is coming from scum. For me, a town usually thinks like this: "I think this guy is scum, I'll vote him" So when I see Koshi pointing fair suspicions on you but voting Shapelog for being "meh", I don't see it coming from a townie. And if it is not coming from a town, it is coming from which faction? Ta-da! Mafia. It doesn't really have to fit an agenda. Not all plays have a clear objective when they are made. But every play follow a perspective. So regardless of agenda, does a play fit townie perspective of not? That's exactly how I caught Artanis in the last game we've played together (newbie XX?) and it's almost the same diacussion I've had in that game. It's syllogism. "Town thinks like this Koshi isn't thinking like this Therefore Koshi isn't town" And if Koshi wasn't town, Koshi was Mafia to me, regardless of YOUR alignment. Now I've explained in detail how I saw the situation. Whether you believe in me or not is up to you. Just don't make explain again and say I should be "trying". I'm tired of trying. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this as for where you said that stuff about damdred. day 1- yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl (Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working. Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 03:06 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia. I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred. you sir should get in mah pen. I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved. I don't agree with you. But I like this response. ( to me on koshiI just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them. @HtS - I agree that Shape's vote makes him less likely mafia. GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi. You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town. (me on gb and fedie)The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case. TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall, something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 27 2016 03:16 gumshoe wrote: you sir should get in mah pen. I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved. ( to me on koshi (me on gb and fedie) The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case. whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall, something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps. See, it's like you decided to call me Mafia and is searching every fucking reason to "reinforce" your argument. You twist facts to make them fit your scumread instead of impartially getting suspicious of me as information is dropped in thread. You even misread my post. That's how convoluted you are. Thats why I'm finding hard to believe you're town. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote: I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working. Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then ) I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this. I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him. you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about? obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie. you said you would sheep damdred you had a case on sl you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded). super duper wierd brah / : | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 03:23 GlowingBear wrote: See, it's like you decided to call me Mafia and is searching every fucking reason to "reinforce" your argument. You twist facts to make them fit your scumread instead of impartially getting suspicious of me as information is dropped in thread. You even misread my post. That's how convoluted you are. Thats why I'm finding hard to believe you're town. bro, im not searching for anything, the above post is all fact XD also you said youd sheep damdred, were in thread (as far as we can know) didnt bother. I cant make that shit up. People accuse one another for weaker points than this mang, god your arguments against me in the past have been way way worse. I may be wrong, but having a read against you doesnt make me scum / : | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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