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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 26 2016 16:35 Fidei86 wrote: I wasn't "screaming to lynch others". I was saying that if people didn't move from the 3,2,2,2 formation we had, I would consolidate. Again, if you can't tell the difference between those two things, I cannot and will not waste my time explaining it to you. I haven't played great this game, but then look at TT and HTS - both have made tons of WOTs and haven't been right on a single fucking thing all game. Yes, but they both are logical in their filter. You see TT say 50 times he thinks you are mafia, it starts with "I think Fidei might be mafia" then "I think x,y might be mafia" then comes back to "I think Fidei is still mafia" etc etc into that case on you. There is progress and I like that in his filter. With you there is nothing like that. You just give random reads (that aren't really good) and then in the very next listpost you completely "forgot" every read you gave and seemingly start over again. And this is the case for your entire filter. You haven't given a single read on anybody this game full explained. aka You haven't helped town for a single read on anybody this game. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On April 26 2016 16:37 Koshi wrote: You didn't lynch shit. You sat on your mafia buddy and yelled at town to lynch anybody but your buddy. And mafia needed to get some cred so sitting on buddy while yelling town should lynch somebody else is actually a really logical play for mafia to make. But w.e Let's say we ignore the fact you sat on mafia and yelled to lynch town. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THIS GAME? You have the worst filter out of everybody. Show me somewhere you tried to actually remove people from your lynchlist by using actual ingame based reasoning and then sticked to it the next time you gave a list post. Show me that. And stop yelling "I lynched mafia so I am town" because I don't give a single fuck about it and I will get you lynched. Sure Mafia need town cred now. I don't see why I as Mafia with DYH would have needed town cred, when we just could have easily mislynched any of you, gum and GB. I'm not going to defend my filter because I freely admit that I haven't played amazingly this game. I've struggled to form reads and most of my thoughts have been pretty random. But all I can say to that is that nobody apart from Tumble was really on SL, and nobody apart from LS (and then me and you) was on DYH. Long filter dive posts don't make you right. Gut reactions based on how the game developments don't make you wrong. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 26 2016 16:43 Fidei86 wrote: Sure Mafia need town cred now. I don't see why I as Mafia with DYH would have needed town cred, when we just could have easily mislynched any of you, gum and GB. I'm not going to defend my filter because I freely admit that I haven't played amazingly this game. I've struggled to form reads and most of my thoughts have been pretty random. But all I can say to that is that nobody apart from Tumble was really on SL, and nobody apart from LS (and then me and you) was on DYH. Long filter dive posts don't make you right. Gut reactions based on how the game developments don't make you wrong. Well just start being town and I can easily change my view on you. Just like gumshoe did. But looking at how your read progression goes on HTS during your entire filter and if I compare that on the read progression on you from TT his filter than there is no doubt in my mind you need to get lynched first. And sitting on mafia while screaming to lynch town does not buy you all the fucking cred in the world. Which you aggressively try to push into this thread as soon as HTS made that comment on you still possible being mafia after we lynched DYH. Which is basically the only thing you did since the lynch. That and give 3 names we should lynch into without any form of reasoning or your own opinion. Your read progression on HTS + Your read progression on DYH while still voting him is really suspicious. HTS you keep saying is town except when she is alive D3 or D4. That is your only argument since the beginning of time. But still you keep saying she is mafia in every listpost you make and you never try to figure out her alignment by conversation or try to put pressure on her based on her posts. I really hope you can do that starting from now. Read posts and make cases. Because I promise you. I will lynch you today if your play stays like this. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
That is not telling people to lynch town. That is telling people to consolidate to stop Mafia being able to manipulate the vote. You're like the anally retentive general who cares more about whether their soldiers have polished their belt buckles than whether they can aim a f***ing rifle. Okay, last post from me on this. I've wasted enough. I don't think you're Mafia. You've made your position on me quite clear. But can you please also read GB/TT/HTS again, just to humour me if nothing else. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
GB - Good emotions in his posts last day. This combined with the analysis he did in those posts makes him pretty townie for me. If town decides they want to lynch him over you I will make a post on why GB is town. Now I cba. TT - I start with saying he could be mafia. But even though he is a bit more less involved than I know he was in previous games as town, he is looking for mafia and he is helping town solve the game. He made a great case on you and if he is mafia, he did a really good job on that. HTS - She is playing a really really good game as either alignment. If a game was filled with only HTS type players mafia could be a national spectator sport. And due to this fact it is way more likely she is town because it is easier to play a great game as town. And that people have been "wrong" in this game is logical. The current flipped mafia were afk bitches. There was nothing to say about SL during D1. And DYH same shizzle. I think I actually voted DYH D1 and there were some people who defended him against my push. I don't know who that was. But it were 2 people. But it also felt genuine somehow because I did change my view on him. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I hated that townread HTS gave DYH based on the fact he made a perfect argument based on Shape his filter and then wrote an entire paragraph on what DYH did while DYH didn't do that at all. Fuck now I will actually have to read all those posts from HTS looking for mafia traits. On April 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote DoYouHas reasoning is the read on Shape. I don't understand how that makes anybody scum. I don't understand how town DYH has Shape as his top scumread: On April 22 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote: The ceveat on Damdred is reasonable but it could also be that Damdred changed his view on HtS around the same time as I did. But the part he said about Shape has nothing to do with what you said he did: Where did you see DYH make an argument on Shape that had anything to do with alignment related posts? in my eyes mafia DYH looked for something to contribute and found himself writing down something completely NAI against Shape who just makes odd posts. Anyway, point out to me where DYH made the argument that Shape is not making enough alignment related posts. He said nothing about that. On April 22 2016 01:50 Koshi wrote: "not doing much" is fucking super easy read to make as mafia. You going to townread him for that HTS? On April 22 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote: Nope. Because mafia atm doesn't know what might happen. So there is no problem atm. Fucking disgusted atm by hts again defending somebody writing down so many things based on the fact this person said "X is not doing much". Like......... Which mafia has ever done less than make the super insightful read "X is not doing much" God fucking damn. Bonus content on the fact our vigi is a brilliant mind. Too bad a scum vigi is impossible so that his genius is also confirmed to come from town: On April 22 2016 04:43 Koshi wrote: 7. DoYouHas 9. GlowingBear 12. gumshoe These 3 people look fine to lynch. I think I want to keep HTS around. But I think LS is at least twice more townie than HTS. But I don't know if I want to lynch in them atm. On April 22 2016 05:15 Tumblewood wrote: I do not want to lynch any of those people except maybe DYH Gumshoe will probably make his alignment obvious, given time. GB is just town though. Agree on keeping HtS around because I don't want to lynch her if she is town. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
1) To raise awareness that also HTS could be mafia. 2) Because she wrote 5 lines on why FF was null early in the game that made me puke. 3) Because she wrote this to defend DYH, which made 0 sense because that wasn't even anything DYH did: Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either. 4) Because I can | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Voted then unvoted GlowingBear.....I'm re-reading from last night when I tripped over his engagement with gumshoe. LS got killed suspecting Tictock over GB, I also was confused as to why GB is now voting gumshoe over me. Hang tight. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
EBWOP - I'm also getting the impressions from these nightkills that with the AFKs and how all over the place these scumreads have been, mafia are just gunning for the town leaders here and trying to thrive on town misreading and tunneling each other. The little influence that sicklucker and DYH had prior to their elimination lends credence to this. Which is why GlowingBear is up there and really should be the lynch, I really got the impression in how he engaged Koshi all cycle and then voted him at the end made it look like he was trying to see what took off. He clearly did not have the influence in the thread so he would have to rely on town misreading. And Koshi, what posts are you townreading him for? There's a shittonne more that demonstrates why he's scum. If you don't trust me, then read what gumshoe wrote, somewhere in your filter you were lost on why he was scumreading him. On April 25 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote: umm you sure about that? (me in red with ls) you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together. Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments? wtf is this erroneus back peddling XD On April 25 2016 06:25 gumshoe wrote: I can put you in thread with in 20 minutes of damdred wanting to kill sl (who was totally willing to kill him) you show up 20 min after that post to remark how terrible the lynch that damred (who you think is so great) switched over to. Even though you had never once posted about ff till then (except to remark how scummy koshi is) The window is small enough that we cannot rule out you bieng fully aware of the sl switch, and not going with it. Also reads dont just disapear, they linger, and theres no reason to keep townreading sl because dam said so, as damm was totes wrong about ff (a sin you condemned koshi for) also you dont get to post as much you have about me and base an ascociation read regarding koshi that requires me to be scum, without being sure im scum in the first place, which of course your not because im not scum : P On April 25 2016 09:02 gumshoe wrote: Yeah DYH conveniently just started town reading gb literally right after i attacked him. before I attacked gb all dyh had was this Now, why would he stick his neck out to save someone who there was no momentum on at the time (right after I made my case) and up till this pointhe conveniently hadn't read anything about but just so happens to have the same agenda as him(kill koshi)? also this post refrencing the ff lynch is eriely similar to that gb post I put up earlier gb for refrence heres dyh's view on me for funsies dyh has no reason to throw suspicuon onto me here for a bus, its not like I was that inactive (ala sl) or that BAD (ala onegu) heres gbs view on dyh for further funsies. (top is green bot is red) yeah..... heres all I could find on sl from dyh seems to bolster his agenda of keeping mates at arms length until he has to get involved / : nothing on dyh from sl that I could find. Seems like sl had a policy of reciprocity, gb attacked him a little so he attacked him back a little, dyh ignored him so he ignored him back. methinks this be gg / : I'm also not clear on how or why GlowingBear dropped the scumread against me and going against gumshoe though. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
LS only got to Tictock by PoE though...which means I also can't put too much stock in him from NK WIFOM because had he been alive, his reads could have still changed contingent on people's play today. Alright, I'm voting GB again. GB, why did you drop the scumread on me? And why are you voting gumshoe? And of the people on your list, why is gumshoe the best lynch? On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility. So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS It's basically auto On April 26 2016 07:44 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah it's auto. I'm sure this was a medic dodge tho. I'm voting gumshoe ##vote: gumshoe On April 26 2016 12:08 GlowingBear wrote: I've never wanted to lynch TT? I don't know what you're talking about And why did Tictock just pop up on a lynch list when reading your filter, he's not appearing anywhere else? Where did that come from? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote? [QUOTE]On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility. So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei? [QUOTE]On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote: So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch). Looking at vote timings after 2300: [QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: DoYouHas[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:03 Half the Sky wrote: ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote: ##Vote: DYH[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote: ##Vote: DYH[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:28 Tictock wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote DYH[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:29 gumshoe wrote: ##unvote ##vote dyh[/QUOTE] So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from. On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi. We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread. [/QUOTE] Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA? How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense. I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now. I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote? On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility. So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei? On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote: So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch). Looking at vote timings after 2300: So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from. On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi. We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread. Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA? How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense. I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now. I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 26 2016 22:06 Half the Sky wrote: 4/40 GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote? How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei? Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA? How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense. I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now. I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back. HtS: 1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off 2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive. 3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game. My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in. Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote: Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though. I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game. My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in. Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added. Why do you read HTS as town? Why am I Mafia? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 27 2016 00:49 GlowingBear wrote: HtS: 1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off 2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive. 3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer. 1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias. 2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD 3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / : | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On April 27 2016 00:52 Tictock wrote: Internet has been out at home so trying to skim and do stuff while. I have access at work. Hopefully things are fixed when I get home though. I still think Fidei is probably mafia but it seems Koshi is the only one who sees what I see. Still not impressed with how he is pushing to lynch HtS with nothing more than a fear read though. I thought Koshi was more convincing in that one post about HtS than Fidei has been all game. My PoE is pretty much Fidei and GB and given we have 2? Mislynches before LyLo I can't really be too concerned with the order thatwe lynch them in. Besides with limited internet its gunna be hard to sway people regarding my read on Fidei past what I've already posted and. Koshi added. TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post?? | ||
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