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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Is false, as though gb and dyh were both pushing Koshi. They were voting for me. Also dyh town reading gb just as he came into actual danger (and not saying literally anything about him in the 120 hours preceding that moment) is pretty damning. Fedie is unlikely scum given his role in the lynch So it's tt or gb given what we know ( supplemented by other basic reads)and gb is the clear scummer between them. Also for people claiming gb plays this way as town, you don't have to tell me that, I've trd twice when everyone else wanted his head (and yes I was right to do so) but this time is pretty different. Lynch with fire plox. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS It's basically auto | ||
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GlowingBear
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GlowingBear
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I'm sure this was a medic dodge tho. I'm voting gumshoe ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Discuss the case from TT. That is a brilliant case and people don't comment on it. Explain to me how Fidei is not mafia? Based on the voting? TT just DEBUNKED THAT IN HIS CASE. Can't you fuckers read his case and see how Fidei was sitting on DYH while screaming that people should consolidate on KOSHI, GLOWINGBEAR OR GUMSHOE???? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??????????????????????? And then he gets cred for sitting on a mafia lynch? HOW THE FUCK??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Nothing in Fidei his entire filter showed him wanting to lynch DYH. Except 1 post 8 minutes before deadline. when people were considering DYH more and more. EVERY post Fidei made before that he tried to get people to vote people that WERE NOT DYH while he was voting DYH. TT quoted around 6 posts Go fucking read TT his case and come tell me why it is a bad case. And the next fucker that says Fidei is auto town because he voted for DYH gets my vote till the end of times. Holy shit stop being so fucking bad. tyvm for listening. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
The guy makes a sick long case that involves 1) connecting Fidei to SL 2) shows an unnatural progression of Fidei his read on DYH 3) shows how even though Fidei is sitting on DYH, he is begging town to consolidate on gumshoe/koshi/GB so he can move his vote asap. 4) points out some other very suspicious posts like how he says HTS is not mafia with LS but offers 0 reasoning why. Basically showing how Fidei is not solving the game. And if I wanted I could add another 5 posts that Fidei made that were really bad and showed he was not reading the thread or solving the game. On top of that the Damdred kill HIGHLY points towards Fidei because Fidei was generally townread by everybody during D1 except Damdred who kept pushing him for mafia. And with Fidei being the last mafia it is pretty logical for them to go after Damdred to protect Fidei. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
And don't make it how Fidei was sitting on mafia DYH while begging town to change his vote and therefore being confirmed town for reasons I DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND. GB could be mafia. I liked gumshoe his case but while reading DYH and GB their filter yesterday I kinda saw a lot of townie emotions in GB his posting. GB being a baddie and a liar is maybe just him being town and reckless. I somewhat forgot the strongest points of gumshoe his case but I don't know. Also GB and DYH pushing me and not trying to set-up a stronger ml yesterday would be odd. I don't think anybody but those 2 and HTS would ever vote me. HTS is way too hardtry to vote for. If she keeps it up I would only consider her in lylo. She doesn't make sense sometimes and makes really odd leaps in logic but I will just blame i that on her gender. (dis is joke) TT his case on Fidei was boss and I don't lynch bosses. I have not read 1 good reason why TT is mafia xcept LS his PoE. But that PoE removed people like Shape and Fidei based on voting and that is really bad to do. gumshoe was really townish before the lynch yesterday but he has the bad luck of looking like mafia the entire fucking game. So I am going to vote him before people that don't blatantly look like mafia. Shape better is a blue role. Cuz I can lynch that guy in a heartbeat. Fuck losing to him again after lynching 4 townies in a row. He is also softing blue 24/7 so if other people are blue this guy is gettting really high on my lynchlist. Just lucky that DYH wanted to lynch him and that he wanted to lynch sl. But lynching and sitting on mafia is pretty easy when you know who is mafia. Getting people to lynch mafia is harder. And that is something shape has not yet done. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 26 2016 08:31 Koshi wrote: I cannot believe how pissed off I would be in TT his shoes. The guy makes a sick long case that involves 1) connecting Fidei to SL 2) shows an unnatural progression of Fidei his read on DYH 3) shows how even though Fidei is sitting on DYH, he is begging town to consolidate on gumshoe/koshi/GB so he can move his vote asap. 4) points out some other very suspicious posts like how he says HTS is not mafia with LS but offers 0 reasoning why. Basically showing how Fidei is not solving the game. And if I wanted I could add another 5 posts that Fidei made that were really bad and showed he was not reading the thread or solving the game. On top of that the Damdred kill HIGHLY points towards Fidei because Fidei was generally townread by everybody during D1 except Damdred who kept pushing him for mafia. And with Fidei being the last mafia it is pretty logical for them to go after Damdred to protect Fidei. It's a bad case Koshi. 1) he does not connect sl to fedie, he makes a tinfoil post on how fedie subtlety implied that we should give lurkers a break. That's not scummy as it applied just as much to people who were town (according to you gb and I are town, we were both fairly inactive along with sl) tt admitted hîmself it was tinfoil"" also it's not like sl was a role locker or anything, outside of powers there's no reason to save a scum mate who won't save himself, you just go down with him. 2)up till 2 hours before the lynch, I was a lock, the situation evolved rapidly and dyh came off as very scummy through it all(his whatever I'm not gonna defend you, I just want to lynch Koshi post was particularly bad) fedie may very well have read into dyh's behaviour in those closing moments and didn't have time to properly explain himself. His vote on dyh in such a volatile sitatuiom is super duper townie and no amount of tinfoil and self importance should change that Koshi. 3) begging town to consolidate has nôthing to do with saving dyh, it has to do with that awful day 1 were we wound up lynching town with a nightmare spread. 4) solving the game is something lots of townies don't bother to do. Yesterday I was basically not playing' today everyone basically knows I'm town. That aside I think this comment is unfair, fedie has been trying' I don't know how you can say otherwise / : 5) I made this post purely because your bieng a dick Koshi, insults don't make your opinions strong, a wall of text does not inherently deserve reverence (trust me on that point) what makes a case strong is how well it survives discourse and counter points. You've definitely drawn my attention Koshi with your rage and disrespect, but you've made your case harder to make in doing so" Lastly, though my push vs gb looks like a shouting match, that has more to do with my flaws as a player then the actual solidity of the case. To Which so far the only counter point I've seen is "is does this look like scum on scum?" If it made you doubt them as a team and didn't result in any real consequences, then that is exactly what scum on scum looks like. Also I caught gb lying to make himself look better twice -_- and I have a strong aptitude for reading into gb in general. Tts case is in no way stronger then mine / : | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
His flow of thought shows beautifully and you can see how he is solving the game. You also can see he gets distracted from time to time giving his opinions on things and is not just focussing on 1 thing. He is just solving the game. Giving his opinion on a lot of things. If you read all his posts leading towards scumreading and making that case on Fidei you only need o activate 1 braincell to know he is town. Even if Fidei is not mafia it is 100% town making the case, and the build up to it. Brilliant stuff. Never ever fucking mafia unless mafia god. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
So... hts, fidei, gb, shape and tt are left. So... We have probably at least 1 blue in there. So if we don't lynch the blue we can lynch 3/4 pretty good odds. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 23 2016 07:07 Fidei86 wrote: TT is scum, I think. This post is beyond Derp. I'm reading on a train with spotty reception so may not be able to post. If I die I strongly suggest you lynch TT. But if Dani doesn't die by day 3, it's probably her. On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote: Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in. If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye. This will be my last post for a while because I need to make sure I don't go over 45 again and I like to post. But this is everything wrong with Fidei and his entire filter is filled with this. There is never any good reasoning ever in his filter on everything. Never is there I think x is town because y and y being an actually good reason. Or I think x is mafia because y and y being an actually good reason. It's all bad, unexplained stuff that I don't understand. Like how does he have those 3 names in his list but can't give a reason why HTS is mafia xcept "if she is alive in 3 days". While before all that he was townreading HTS or maybe slightly scumming her based on suspicion of others. Nothing original. Why is LS mafia because he made a WoT this game and didn't do so last games? Is this real life? Unless Fidei got the meta to be absolutely bad at the game we can give him a pass. But I don't think he is. Why is TT mafia for calling out SL there? I am sure TT asked him the same thing btw. I wonder if he answered that. On April 25 2016 05:51 Fidei86 wrote: Do we think Shape's voting exhonerates him? If he were scum, if he'd managed to be on a wagon on scum that then got overtaken by a town wagon, I don't see why you'd then flip onto a town wagon at the last moment. That's just way too much weird play to make sense from a scum perspective. Unfortunately, that also means that DYH's play makes a lot more sense. So I'm at Town: LS, Shape, TW Confused about their voting right now: Koshi, gumshoe No particular reason to lynch: DYH Not scum as not pushing me???: HTS, TT ??? GB This is how Fidei plays the game. He literally cannot produce a single believable reason to call somebody mafia ever so he does these really odd list posts during the entire game that make 0 sense. On April 23 2016 23:33 Fidei86 wrote: Having read back through the filters, I've sort of talked myself back round on HTS and TT. There is a lot lot of suspicious stuff in their filters, but nobody else seems to see the link / soft defending I see, and I may just be paranoid. Both have had some pretty good analysis since the D2 flip. And as I said before, SL went after HTS pretty hard in circumstances where it was more than possible she might actually become a target. As I said before, if Dani makes it to D4ish, I'm going to get the mega tin foil out. But for now, I'm okay with her as town. TW is town obviously. I'm pretty sold on LS as town, actually. The issue I have now is that all of Shape, GB and DYH have been particularly underwhelming. I'd put shape at the higher end of that, but DYH and GB have been borderline useless. I think looking carefully at their filters, which I'll do now, is likely to yield dividends in terms of solving this game. (Yes, I accept I just flipped on my two top scum reads, was wrong on Damdred and SL and have also been very questionable this game. But I know I'm town, so there). I don't know how the timestamps are but I am sure he isn't solving the game. Same crap over and over. On April 24 2016 00:44 Fidei86 wrote: Just had a thought: all the people TRing me for garbage meta reasons (DYH, Dani, TT) are probably all town. Because I think my play in this game has been pretty damn awful so far, and any of them could have easily pushed me as a mislynch. On April 24 2016 00:41 Fidei86 wrote: I want to believe GB is town, but he has been so low energy, and his list post was so nit-picky, I cannot rule him out. The main thing I want from GB is to get over losing Damdred, his only strong read, and tell the rest of us what he's thinking. Just look at all the reasoning. It follows no story. It just random things. He does not solve the game. He just finds something random to say and says it. Like... If he finds something about anybody he says it. But he is not trying to find the mafia. He doesn't try to make his pool smaller. He just does things. Impressive communication between scumpartners. On April 24 2016 00:33 Fidei86 wrote: @DYH what's going on in your personal life bro? Busy at work? New girlfriend with legs that go all the way down? On April 25 2016 05:33 Fidei86 wrote: It's not me. If gumshoe isn't mafia, it's not for his massive WoTs late on. Whoever his scum buddy is could very easily have just gee'd him up to post stuff. Read his post and see what you think. On April 25 2016 06:48 Fidei86 wrote: Hey Koshi. These are Damdred's reads before he died. GB is 'probably town'. If you're sanctifying Damdred's reads, and SL flipped red and Tumble claimed green, shouldn't you be voting me? Like... What is this guy doing? That question just shows he is just not solving the game and just being in the thread. I voted him, I commented on him being mafia based on Damdred his posts. And then he asks me that... Pff. Poor play. Get him out of here. His filter is without doubt the weakest of all. Maybe Shape his filter is worse but like I said. I hope he is blue. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 26 2016 07:37 Fidei86 wrote: Koshi I presume you are joking. Don't make me get out the sock-puppets to explain why I'm not mafia. The lynch today is TT, HTS or GB. Everyone should read all three filters, plus DYH and SL's filters, and decide which we go for. Ok really last post. Get rekt scum. If you want to survive. I suggest you pull out the sock puppets and start to explain why others are mafia. Something that you haven't done once in this entire game. Or explain to me why you are not mafia, but it better not be that you were sitting on mafia screaming to lynch everybody except the person you were sitting on. Because that my friend makes you mafia. It would have been better for you if you were not sitting on mafia tbh. Then at least you were wrong all the way. But being right when the flips happen after being wrong in every other post you made leading up to that buys you 0 credit. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I don't know what you're talking about | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
I don't plan on being useless anymore, but reading the thread is hard, so this is where I'm at before actually reading any pages starting with the number 3 town me - me koshi - koshi ??? shape - is it even shape if he doesn't spam? gumshoe - prob did something stupid and confirmed himself fidei - koshi seems angry about him which makes him either confirmed town or confirmed scum hts - don't sheep me on this especially because I've just skipped over most WoTs, aka all of her posts tt - he's playing this game, right? I seriously forgot scum gb - not sure what the case is but it seems convincing I'm going to catch up now unless someone wants to be nice and sum up the last 36 hours conveniently | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
everyone else stays where they are | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
If you do not understand that we lynched scum out of nowhere yesterday and that that confirms the people who made that happen (me, LS, most likely you), I cannot explain it. I shouldn't have to explain it. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
And mafia needed to get some cred so sitting on buddy while yelling town should lynch somebody else is actually a really logical play for mafia to make. But w.e Let's say we ignore the fact you sat on mafia and yelled to lynch town. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THIS GAME? You have the worst filter out of everybody. Show me somewhere you tried to actually remove people from your lynchlist by using actual ingame based reasoning and then sticked to it the next time you gave a list post. Show me that. And stop yelling "I lynched mafia so I am town" because I don't give a single fuck about it and I will get you lynched. | ||
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