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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 24 2016 22:51 GMT
#741
Dude, and I say this as someone who cares, but STFU. Stop with the martyr thing. It is making this game needlessly hard.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 24 2016 22:53 GMT
#742
I think I have three posts left, so I want to use one of them to say that there is no f'ing reason whatsoever to TR TT or HTS. I'm going to go Dani -- TT -- GB -- you. But honestly I think if it is one of them, they'll tap out long before we get there.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 24 2016 22:56 GMT
#743
35/40

KNOWN ALIGNMENTS ONLY

Vote Reconstruction v3

2124, approx 2h prior to EoD

On April 22 2016 05:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Not voted (5) - Shapelog, DoYouHas, Damdred, gumshoe, Fecalfeast


2244, approx 45m prior to EoD - sicklucker was the hammer

On April 22 2016 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog
LightningStrike (2) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
DoYouHas (2) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (1) - Gumshoe

Not Voting (1) - DoYouHas


2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes
DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake.

Sicklucker (4) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
Fecalfeast (3) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

2316, or 14m to EoD - gumshoe effectively hammers FF

Fecalfeast (4) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe
Sicklucker (3) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Half the Sky (1) - LightningStrike
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Koshi (1) - sicklucker
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood

2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker
Sicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe

2330 - End of Day 1

Fecalfeast (5) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker, Damdred
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
Koshi (1) - sicklucker, sicklucker
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Sicklucker (0) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe

Day 2

On April 25 2016 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Final Votecount - Day 2:

DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock
GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky
gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, Koshi
Koshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear
Shapelog (0) - Koshi
Tumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoe

DoYouHas is slated to be lynched.


My thoughts:

(1) So we had two solo voters. DYH pushing Koshi and not gumshoe....lord. DYH defending GB....and then he relinquished control of the thread either him or GB could have gotten lynched.

(2) Shapelog is looking better, DYH seemed somewhat open to him as mafia? Probably keeping options open on him?

(3) DYH defended Fidei but I don't think that means anything.

(4) The question is whether DYH and GB would push Koshi together now. They needed a mislynch pretty badly here.

Gotta simmer on this one, but we are almost home.

I'm at a pool of gumshoe and GB with an outside shot of Fidei.

From voting ALONE, Tictock's vote could be a bus, after it was clear DYH was getting lynched.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
April 24 2016 23:02 GMT
#744
Dani. Are you actually serious right now. How on earth can it be me. I was the one saying "hey, we could def lynch DYH here" and then I voted him second, when GB had three votes. I could have easily gone on GB after clearing gum and Koshi.

And also, I am basically universally townread (or at least, nobody seems to have me on their scum list apart from TT). In what universe do I as mafia enter the thread, call the two leading wagons (gum / Koshi) bad, then REFUSE to get onto the GB wagon WHEN IT WAS LEADING BY MILES and bus the GF.

ARE YOU ACTUALLY F'ING SERIOUS WITH ME RIGHT NOW.

The only reason you're IN ANY WAY thinking it could be be is to keep the lynch pool wider than it might be. Which I guess is a good reason not to move you off the top of my lynch list
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 24 2016 23:08 GMT
#745
On April 25 2016 07:51 Fidei86 wrote:
Dude, and I say this as someone who cares, but STFU. Stop with the martyr thing. It is making this game needlessly hard.


NEVER, I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD ALL THESE CROSSES BUT THEY ARE MINE, MIIIIIIIIIINE.

that said, the not so subtle context here is that if I was scum I'd be conceding right now XD

so this does actually have a point : P besides me lamenting how I am consistently managing to look terrible throughout these phases.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 24 2016 23:09 GMT
#746
36/40

Jesus, you're right. I completely derped.

You're less likely to be mafia for that. Much less.

gumshoe and GB with an outside shot of Tictock based on VCA.

*bangs her head on the wall*

Sorry, this is kinda what happens when you have been reading and reading with shittonne of tabs open. My head is kinda spinning. Going to stop here anyhow for tonight.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 00:02 GMT
#747
Yeah DYH conveniently just started town reading gb literally right after i attacked him.


gB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi.


I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.


before I attacked gb all dyh had was this
TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet


Now, why would he stick his neck out to save someone who there was no momentum on at the time (right after I made my case) and up till this pointhe conveniently hadn't read anything about but just so happens to have the same agenda as him(kill koshi)?

also this post refrencing the ff lynch is eriely similar to that gb post I put up earlier

There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.

gb for refrence
This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia


heres dyh's view on me for funsies

Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.


Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.


dyh has no reason to throw suspicuon onto me here for a bus, its not like I was that inactive (ala sl) or that BAD (ala onegu)

heres gbs view on dyh for further funsies.

Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point:

Damdred
DYH
Tumblewood

gumshoe
LightningStrike


(top is green bot is red)

DYH townread was because of that post that felt genuine. But it is a weak townread, I must say. After that, there was nothing memorable from him.


HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH?


Especially DYH who decided to vote Shapelog 15 minutes before EOD. He either knew a teammate would hammer FF or he simply is town.

Because, if he is mafia, he is not saving his partner and he is not bussing for cred. For what reason he decided to vote someone else, then? Where is the Mafia motivation?

You could say "to be town read like you're doing right now", and I would say it is possible. But is it most likely? I don't think so


yeah.....

heres all I could find on sl from dyh

SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today.


seems to bolster his agenda of keeping mates at arms length until he has to get involved / :

nothing on dyh from sl that I could find.

Seems like sl had a policy of reciprocity, gb attacked him a little so he attacked him back a little, dyh ignored him so he ignored him back.

methinks this be gg / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 00:05 GMT
#748
On April 23 2016 07:31 DoYouHas wrote:
Huzzah!

In retrospect, this is the saddest huzzah I ever did saw ) :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 00:35 GMT
#749
Also if I was scum with dyh, that means we chose to be at cross purposes ( disagreeing with me on gb and Koshi) which doesn't seem as simple as the alternative / : (dyh defending gb and them both trying mislynch Koshi)
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 25 2016 01:32 GMT
#750
ROFL I was mad that people wagoned DYH but then he flipped godfather ROFL I'm so glad! Scum is getting rekt!

Well, if there is a town detective, just check me if you guys think I'm Mafia.
I'm adorable.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 01:52 GMT
#751
On April 25 2016 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:
ROFL I was mad that people wagoned DYH but then he flipped godfather ROFL I'm so glad! Scum is getting rekt!

Well, if there is a town detective, just check me if you guys think I'm Mafia.


I don't know mang, vig plus dt would be pretty op XD also if your somehow actually town, you could be da miller D :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 01:55 GMT
#752
Well I mean of course I'm going to find whatever gb says scummy ( or at least try) but he just did this.

"If you guys suspect me, why don't you just check with that role you likely don't have"

Kek.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 25 2016 02:06 GMT
#753
On April 25 2016 10:55 gumshoe wrote:
Well I mean of course I'm going to find whatever gb says scummy ( or at least try) but he just did this.

"If you guys suspect me, why don't you just check with that role you likely don't have"

Kek.


-.-

You reeeeally tbink there is no other blue role with a GF flipped?
Vigis aren't that powerful. They are double edged. I bet there is another blue role

+ why would I do that as Mafia, gum? If there is really a detective, I'm signing my death sentence

Jesus...
I'm adorable.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 02:17 GMT
#754
On April 25 2016 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 10:55 gumshoe wrote:
Well I mean of course I'm going to find whatever gb says scummy ( or at least try) but he just did this.

"If you guys suspect me, why don't you just check with that role you likely don't have"

Kek.


-.-

You reeeeally tbink there is no other blue role with a GF flipped?
Vigis aren't that powerful. They are double edged. I bet there is another blue role

+ why would I do that as Mafia, gum? If there is really a detective, I'm signing my death sentence

Jesus...

Because if there is a dt your dead already XD so may as well stare it in the face.

Also I'm not saying there isn't another blue, just that dt vig can be a bit broken as far as combos go. Vig doc or vet makes more sense, and I'm sure you know that : P
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 25 2016 02:19 GMT
#755
Tbh it wouldn't surprise me because there is a chance of a framer or roleblocker for last role for scum but I think it more likely roleblocker so ya Cop Vig would be fine balance wise with the gf and roleblocker as the scum power roles.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 02:22 GMT
#756
On April 25 2016 11:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh it wouldn't surprise me because there is a chance of a framer or roleblocker for last role for scum but I think it more likely roleblocker so ya Cop Vig would be fine balance wise with the gf and roleblocker as the scum power roles.

True, but I know at least in the other game bieng played ATM gf is just a vanity item but yeah we should probs stop the blue talk / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 25 2016 02:28 GMT
#757
BTW I was checking Sicklucker and DYH's filters and I think that GB is likely town because idk why the whole scum team decided to bus themselves on GB lol. Koshi is cleared due VCA and his posting been townie I think.Shapelog is cleared due to how DYH was pushing him till Day 2 and his voting on SL into FF. Gum you just a confirmed bias atm but I think it's town on town in you vs GB. So mafia would be in HTS, James, and TT. But I townreading HTS mainly because she actually was pushing the game forward although she was wrong on my alignment till later but also Sicklucker wanted to lynch HTS with me for poor reasons EoD 1 before he swap to Koshi. James been trying to help get together EoD to settle on consolidaion and decided to help me form the wagon DYH which idk why mafia James would decided EoD to bus his teammate. So by PoE it would TT for me which would mean he would of rolled scum 3 times in a row vs me which would suck hard for him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 02:37 GMT
#758
On April 25 2016 11:28 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW I was checking Sicklucker and DYH's filters and I think that GB is likely town because idk why the whole scum team decided to bus themselves on GB lol. Koshi is cleared due VCA and his posting been townie I think.Shapelog is cleared due to how DYH was pushing him till Day 2 and his voting on SL into FF. Gum you just a confirmed bias atm but I think it's town on town in you vs GB. So mafia would be in HTS, James, and TT. But I townreading HTS mainly because she actually was pushing the game forward although she was wrong on my alignment till later but also Sicklucker wanted to lynch HTS with me for poor reasons EoD 1 before he swap to Koshi. James been trying to help get together EoD to settle on consolidaion and decided to help me form the wagon DYH which idk why mafia James would decided EoD to bus his teammate. So by PoE it would TT for me which would mean he would of rolled scum 3 times in a row vs me which would suck hard for him.


I don't know man, dudes agenda lines up perfectly with dyh's, and gb lied twice ( about associating Koshi and me and about sheeping Damdred ) and they both remarked on how bad a lynch ff was at like the same time and gbs been town reading dyh all game / :

Seems like a lot to just be bad luck townie

But then again this is coming from me XD so who knows. I still probes wouldn't lynch anyone before gb, just too much on the guy from mah view.

And that fucking " hey gumshoe you there? Lol just kidding bro" post, this is all happening right now because of that one fucking post.

Ima kill him for it, it's gotta happen, there must be precedent.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 25 2016 02:54 GMT
#759
On April 20 2016 18:22 Tictock wrote:
I guess I should have expected a slow start in a post restrictive game.



Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote:
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.

Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.

Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.


This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened



LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo.

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote:
It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.

While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.

SL is obviously null

Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)

LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.

I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\
Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that.


He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop.

LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic.




Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh.




Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it.




I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own.

That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm.


Even though he kinda doubled back on it later, this post makes me think tick is townie. Seems wierd to use a well argued/ordered post to go after your scum mate and his agenda like this.

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
April 25 2016 03:04 GMT
#760
On April 25 2016 11:37 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 11:28 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW I was checking Sicklucker and DYH's filters and I think that GB is likely town because idk why the whole scum team decided to bus themselves on GB lol. Koshi is cleared due VCA and his posting been townie I think.Shapelog is cleared due to how DYH was pushing him till Day 2 and his voting on SL into FF. Gum you just a confirmed bias atm but I think it's town on town in you vs GB. So mafia would be in HTS, James, and TT. But I townreading HTS mainly because she actually was pushing the game forward although she was wrong on my alignment till later but also Sicklucker wanted to lynch HTS with me for poor reasons EoD 1 before he swap to Koshi. James been trying to help get together EoD to settle on consolidaion and decided to help me form the wagon DYH which idk why mafia James would decided EoD to bus his teammate. So by PoE it would TT for me which would mean he would of rolled scum 3 times in a row vs me which would suck hard for him.


I don't know man, dudes agenda lines up perfectly with dyh's, and gb lied twice ( about associating Koshi and me and about sheeping Damdred ) and they both remarked on how bad a lynch ff was at like the same time and gbs been town reading dyh all game / :

Seems like a lot to just be bad luck townie

But then again this is coming from me XD so who knows. I still probes wouldn't lynch anyone before gb, just too much on the guy from mah view.

And that fucking " hey gumshoe you there? Lol just kidding bro" post, this is all happening right now because of that one fucking post.

Ima kill him for it, it's gotta happen, there must be precedent.


Dude.

I'll just vote you tomorrow because everything you say is convoluted. I can't bear reading your posts.

I've never lied a single time. If you still can't understand that the read I had on Koshi wasn't associative, there's nothing I can do.
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