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On February 20 2016 00:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Do you not have a chance to check your phone at any point in the first 24 hours? If not, I can default you to vote for yourself. Are you sure you want to play under your smurf? yes im sure | ||
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On February 23 2016 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: What is these sick strats you got? I will lay them out in detail when I get home. | ||
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On February 23 2016 08:19 Vivax wrote: Personally I think Rels brings enough committment and skill to the game that id be comfy with him as mayor, since hes a spammy scummer Id like some time to see what he posts though. hell no. his group is easy. | ||
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On February 23 2016 08:59 ritoky wrote: kush which cell do you think is best for a power usage? I think we shoudl cross that bridge when we come to it but probably one of the first ones that is proving difficult for 50/50. and one of the last ones for ask the audience so town can benefit from all the dead townies. | ||
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On February 23 2016 09:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I find ns' lack of faith in me disturbing. lol i guess I'm ns? Last game I played with you I was on the fence about you for a long time. | ||
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On February 23 2016 09:29 Fecalfeast wrote: The new kush weirds me out. I like it for mafia but I can't connect old kush and new sober!kush do you read my blog at omgus? | ||
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On February 23 2016 10:18 sicklucker wrote: idk im not really interested in playing untill my cell starts because no one ever listens to me. will read thread then. my first cell game dont rly know how this works obviously scummy | ||
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On February 23 2016 10:18 sicklucker wrote: idk im not really interested in playing untill my cell starts because no one ever listens to me. will read thread then. my first cell game dont rly know how this works you know you are gonna have to vote every day... and on day 6 are you gonna read like a million pages? | ||
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On February 23 2016 10:49 Damdred wrote: Hi kush. Ehat do you think of the mayor race? I know you said you wanted it but fo you want it still? Who's your strongest tr right now/ @sl yeah if your town we might not even get to your cell so lets figure this shit out live up to your new reputation. Like I already said... I'm a bad mayor because my cell is easy. I just wanted to campaign mostly. But mayors not too important and it's not even a super big deal if mayor is scum. Ritoky's ideas are good. His cell is not easy. He makes a good mayor. | ||
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On February 23 2016 16:05 darthfoley wrote: I know Breshke hasn't posted much but I liked this post of his Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? You seem to admit that there are pros and cons to it. What makes one benefit definitively better than the other? Why does it make me scum for valuing one over the other? | ||
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On February 23 2016 19:36 sicklucker wrote: ROFL that vote count. me rels kura only people not voting for themselves Your vote is automatically on yourself. Is that really rofl worthy? You seem nervous. | ||
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On February 23 2016 15:34 sicklucker wrote: putting me last is fine and dandy. but me and ritoky never give up as scum. I think the last one should be with people who give up trying to look town like breske vivax or Ls. Thats garanteed town points imo Why don't you want time to spew yourself town? | ||
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On February 23 2016 21:36 sicklucker wrote: 0 skepticism to have ritoky mayor. I KNOW i have alot of probelm with that. I expect another town to have similiar problem solving logic. That and ritoky is try harding more then I have ever seen him so its probably geniun and an easy read Fair point on kuragari but here's some things you should consider: Mayor being scum isn't a huge deal. Kuragari is a newb. He probably doesn't think like you. Maybe he doesn't have a great understanding of what's going on. Ritoky is the kind of mafia who would try to get mayor. I could see the mayor race igniting his try hard. | ||
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You kinda got boned this game, sorry. and yes, I am kushm4sta. Also nooniansoong which i posted with a few times by mistake in the beginning of this game. | ||
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On February 23 2016 23:23 darthfoley wrote: I never said one was definitely better than the other, but I don't think I really mentioned any pros to your strategy, which is why I questioned you in the first place. Unless you consider kicking the can down the road to be a pro. I do however think that gambling that inactive/afk people early game are going to get helpful and active later in the game-- especially if their inactivity is what got their cells placed later-- is just that: a gamble. With active players (e.g. cells A and B) isn't it a safer play to leave them in the game longer simply because their activity will allow them to be town read/scum read easier and because they'll create good town discussion? From what I've thought about your strategy, it just seems like it would benefit mafia more than town to not have that many strong towns/active towns late game and rely on low activity players to win the game for town. Am I missing something? you say "while that's true" | ||
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![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/nhGpw/95bc25f188.png) kura ows rels breshke bum | ||
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The first team to three points wins. If you put easy cells last, you might not even get to them. | ||
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On February 24 2016 00:51 Shapelog wrote: You know that 1 person, in your cell, will aways be mafia. also @Kush, what is your reasoning for scum reading Obi I'm not good at reading obi but I have a slight townread on you and damdred. | ||
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On February 24 2016 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote: its not that simple though, you have to take into account player removal as it gets smaller. You do want a crutch cell last because its a 3 way lylo. You want 2 people that are very sure of whos scum in their cell. Arguably mafia has the most influence early with 5 members in the game so I would say the best thing to do is put a shit cell first and use a power and then follow that up with 2 easy ones. then 4th cell hard again then 5th should be a very easy one because only they will be in the game. You can feel out the harder ones mid game I agree that mafia has more influence early. Putting an easy cell last is terrible though. The last cell only happens if it's 2-2. In a hypothetical 2-2 case with an easy last cell, you could replace a losing cell with the easy cell and have already won. | ||
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On February 24 2016 02:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I dare someone to call me hard to read after that. Go on. I'm waiting. So you think that wot bought you lots of towncred? | ||
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On February 24 2016 02:25 Kuragari42 wrote: Sir, my Internet will not load that image. What it is of? It's from the op. It is the cells. | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:12 ritoky wrote: has anyone thought about the gamblerino possibility of the 50/50? and how it might be able to land a guaranteed scum in the first cell.... first cell being? | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:19 ritoky wrote: the mayor puts their cell first, in this case me. 50/50's their own cell. for me there's a 50% chance it hits me which gives you vote info and eases paranoia, and a 50% chance it hits the other town in the cell; which lands us confirmed mafia. mayor's cell has to go last right? also how does it land us confirmed mafia? or is that under the assumption that you are confirmed town? | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:27 ritoky wrote: you can order the cells in any order, when i was mayor last time i put my cell first. + Show Spoiler + funny enough me and meapak, the other town in my cell, voted on the mafia in our cell, while everyone else in the game voted on meapak even though he was the most obv town ever because you shouldn't elect someone who you don't think is strong town as mayor? if mafia gets mayor they can just give a shit cell order, put themselves last, then burn both powers on the first cell or some similarly shitty scenario. mayor does the prs. So if mayor goes first he has to use both prs on d1? | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't actually know how I feel about those orders. Maybe D C A B E? why are you putting the easiest cell last... | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:41 Damdred wrote: You can't put your cell first if you are mayor. You have to put it early as two to use all the powers font do that I still think my idea on cell order is the best. ls/dart/rels, ff/va/bresh, vivax, mine or rits I like this order. VA vs bresh should be a lot easier on d3 than d2. | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:45 ritoky wrote: the problem with that order is that rels is afk currently and gets more obv town over time, and everyone that isn't female is pretty shitty at reading LS on day 1. oh yeah i forgot that rels was gonna be afk. i retardedly thought he was just afk cause he's scum.... | ||
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On February 24 2016 03:41 ritoky wrote: i figured you could still activate them from the dead? nah I don't think so. when you die you go into obs/ | ||
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LS seems happy. According to tone meta, does that make him scum? Darth's not super active. So that is a shit cell d1. | ||
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D- kill breshke C - dunno yet E - kill bum. easy win for town. ensures at least a day 4. B - dunno yet. A - SL will hopefully have spewed himself town by then. Use powers as necessary. | ||
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On February 24 2016 04:11 Kuragari42 wrote: Shapelog doesn't spew town.. he just spews.. sicklucker not shapelog. | ||
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Braglist 1.2 Kuragari OWS Rels Breshke Bum | ||
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On February 24 2016 04:16 VayneAuthority wrote: close, SL is mafia though maybe. it's a terrible list. I have no idea about A, B, and C yet. | ||
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A lot less serious this game than last. Your sig says use logic, get win. Why are you insulting shape again and again instead of actually using logic? What is wrong with shape's posting this game? | ||
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On February 24 2016 04:23 ritoky wrote: ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/cad414ea12e5fb866329795dc5ce3f3f.png) yeah pretty good. kura v shapelog looks unatural and might be scum/scum | ||
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-quick early reads with nothing to back him up. possibly a scumreaction to being called on not doing so last scumgame (star wars)?) -lots of mechanics talk, which is NAI in theory, but the fact that there is so much of it in place of scumreads is slightly scummy. Then again, d1 of this game did lend itself to mechanics discussion. So that slides back down to NAI. -conclusion: fuck | ||
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-He's happy about breaking his roll of getting scum. He'd have to say as scum as well, though. NAI - All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor? This thought is really good, and makes me lean town on ff.-I get some town feels which I don't have the time to explain from the rest of his filter. It's not a really strong read but I'm willing to town him overall. | ||
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This is how I thought it was going to go, so I hope it's not conf bias, but my vote is going on him for now. - I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different. I don't have a ton of experience with breshke, but from what I've seen I expect better than the weak meta/tone reads we see here.I'm most confident in FF being town. I'm not confident between vayne and breshek | ||
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On February 24 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote: Kush, I should Know a bit of VA's scum play from Co-hosting that game. But I have a Question. Typically, scum backs up their scum reads right? I mean it only makes sense as scum because you know that everyone not on your team is town. So you can easily pull something and call someone scum because of it. MY question is, generally, does VA do that as scum or no? I can totally understand where you are coming from about him adapting. I just want now a bit of background on VA. Dunno what you are looking for for you breshke question exactly. For this question: As town vayne often rattles off reads without much explanation d1. In his last scumgame, he didn't do that. He was more cautious about his reads. He got called out on it and lynched. So basically I'm saying, I don't give him a lot of credit for not following an easy to fix scum meta that was pointed out to him last game. | ||
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On February 24 2016 23:04 Shapelog wrote: You have scum read him this entire game. Just was wondering if you had any other reasons at any other times. So Va has have a history of doing that. But I agree with you about it is a easy fix for scum. not looking townie is pretty much my only reason | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:09 nooniansoong wrote: BRESHKE POST COUNTS SCUM VS TOWN ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bpW7UIC.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/j2qkB1E.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dDc6HZK.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dwg0s8s.png) | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:15 Shapelog wrote: Kush I been meaning to ask. Nooniansong is after the star trek character Dr. Noonian Song who built Data and Lore right? no it's a different Noonian Soong. | ||
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So what if he disagrees with me on cell order. I don't think scum ever try to push for a certain mechanical decision beceause to benefit the scumteam. They're first priority is to look town so they will push stuff that they think is pro town. | ||
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@Vivax, vayne's bum read looks tooscummytobescum honestly. On February 25 2016 01:56 VayneAuthority wrote: i have no idea why actually, seems cool to have one offmeta read | ||
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i feel like LS is the kind of town who is very chill and never gets mad. am i wrong? | ||
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Rels - pushing superficial cases. LS - a meta black hole. I don't recall every experiencing scumLS and townLS always looks scummy to me. So just approaching his filter without meta, I think I like it. Therefore I will probably be voting rels. | ||
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I guess if I had a gun to my head and I had to pick out the scum from your cell I'd say damdred but that's not based on any study. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/njVg8/3513653e4b.png) breshke rels bum damdred sl/kura dunno. Hopefully we win by d3. | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:37 Shapelog wrote: If I was scum, 9/10 I would bus. I am willing to bus team mates (see Newbie XIX) as needed. Though I am town, and came to a conclusion that breskhe was scum b/4 50/50. If i were scum I think I'd bus d1, try to get a town lynch d2, bus d3, then mislynch d4 and d5. | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:39 Shapelog wrote: The fuck? You have question me heavily about how I play as scum, yet "you do not have to read me." What? what do you mean? i questioned you heavily because i don't know how to read you. i still don't. i think you're town but have very little confidence in that. so im glad i don't have to read you lol. | ||
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On February 25 2016 22:44 Rels wrote: kush Why is DF town ? Why is Damdred scum ? What superciality are you talking about and why does it make me scum ? I said those things mostly without being informed but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. 1 DF is town because that's just what I've been thinking as I've been reading him. For good explanations I'd have to filter dive. But just in general he's making himself really available, engaging in conversation, talking about his reads a lot. 2 Damdred is scum because shape and ows look town? Very little confidence in that read though. 3 I'm not sure that you're scum. Less so now that I've given your filter a cursory glance. You seem really invested. The caveat to that is I'm not familiar with your scum play. What I talking about as superficial was townreading LS for all caps, calling out DF on getting some facts wrong. | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:09 LightningStrike wrote: Okay. Hopefully he can clear it up for you. ya thanks for facilitating that communication, sirscumsalot | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:29 Rels wrote: I know the LS stuff seems stupid but it's a fact. I once did a complete meta analysis on LS and he NEVER used capslocks as scum. And I think the game he finally decides to break that stupid rule as scum, he would do it when he is about to be lynched, not at a time when he cannot even be lynched and FF randomly says he's suspicious. OK for Damdred, I'm pretty sure he's town but I agree both Shape and OWS looks townie too. One of them is scum though. DF is scum. The fact wrong thing might be NAI though, but reading his "8/15 already voted Breshke" I was like "that seems like a lot", then I checked it and it was false. i hate your capslock reasoning so much | ||
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On February 25 2016 23:53 Rels wrote: I understand that. But until I'm proven wrong I will apply the "LS being super mad or claiming when suspected = town" formula 'cause it has always worked. but his outburst did not seen genuine to me. FF said he was talking a lot to possibly counter his scum meta. Then LS got mad? | ||
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changelog: that read progression from kura seems natural so he gets a townread breshke ls bum damdred sicklucker | ||
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you're not sold on breshke? | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:19 LightningStrike wrote: I voting Breshke already? I really want him to explain his reads and see if any of his reads changed. why | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:25 VayneAuthority wrote: Aight, at this point: Use ask the audience on the next cell. I have lost any semblence of a read on this clownfiesta ever since LS' fake rage. It could be any of the 3 honestly. See what people think about Rels' play this game and LS. Darthfoley should be readable on content alone, he has some things that are both strange and town mindset. Next cell is most likely vivax or bum, if its kush wp those random ass graphs and other weird shit hes done this game really worked, i dont see him being mafia. Vivax will slow down probably if hes scum? gets bored so that might be a clearer cell by then. next 2 I think are obi and SL. zero reasons just feels. SL slightly less abrasive this game and playing referee, and I always think obi is scum so it doesnt really matter. I guess that one is more POE from that cell. those graphs were copy paste from another game so they took zero effort lol | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:27 LightningStrike wrote: Because this is his last day in the game O_o Plus he never really explained his reads when he did give his reads. wow so you value his opinion, huh? did his reads he just posted affect yours at all? | ||
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and your thought about d3, rels v ls v darth? | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:38 bumatlarge wrote: LS made a confirmed town basically quit and hasn't remarked on it once. That's probably the scummiest thing done this whole game, but I could see a really arrogant townie doing that. Does LS strike you as an arrogant townie? but who cares if a confirmed town quits? he's confirmed town. I guess he's not here to give us reads but you think FF's day 1 reads are going to be that helpful? | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:43 bumatlarge wrote: If a confirmed town calls someone out, don't you think it's important that they respond? He got LS to react like that, I'm sure he could stoke some more fires. why is it more important that someone responds to confirmed town than to anyone else? | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:50 bumatlarge wrote: You should hold a confirmed towns opinion with a bit of regard even if you guys don't. Notice we get to poll the obs? Do you think it's useless because it's someone else's honest opinion? okok we disagree on the value on conf town's opinion. You think LS is scummy because his scumstrat is to be mean to people and get them to leave? In your experience this is how scum operate? | ||
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On February 26 2016 01:38 darthfoley wrote: Yup at this point I think it's pretty clear that Breshke got marching orders from the other mafia to just lie down and take it after the 50/50 was used so as not to incriminate anyone. Over a day of inactivity with your cell on the line is just too much. Ugh ##Unvote ##Vote:Breshke The ugh at the end indicates frustration right? Why are you frustrated over an easy scum lynch? | ||
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On February 26 2016 03:29 LightningStrike wrote: I think so. You did rob me a town win(Metal Mini)  Anyways I now off to class. On December 27 2014 05:22 kushm4sta wrote: ls your case is nk wifom. bad nk wifom at that. anyone not voting ls is certifiably bad at mafia. I'm really glad I have zero memory of that game. | ||
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On February 26 2016 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote: sup bum said ls was scummy for making you rq | ||
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what does this have to do with the e? | ||
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or maybe you idiots should learn to read. | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:48 sicklucker wrote: You just have to play alot of games with him. Hes a super easy read after awile. You have to understand he does not know what sarcasm is that helps he's had like 2 scum games lol.. | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:50 darthfoley wrote: Just wanna remind you guys about how everyone was complimenting Rels's mafia play and to stay wary of it I even rechecked my role PM and I am indeed Town did you actually recheck it? | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:52 LightningStrike wrote: I liked a lot of proding questions from him at least him trying to move the game forward when he was here for the most part. Also the fact that he showed some emotion too which i think scum OWS didn't have(I need to recheck his filter from the 1 time I did play vs his scum). Wow what generic BS. Example of one of his posts moving the game forward? | ||
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On February 26 2016 06:58 VayneAuthority wrote: hahahaha im scum!!! lol that's awesome | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:02 nooniansoong wrote: Because I'll be dead by then. I'll never have to vote on your sonna bitch of a cell. | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:04 Shapelog wrote: So you being lazy because you do not want to read a hard cell? ![[image loading]](https://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4gh5n5iTr1rn95k2o1_500.gif) I have to read your cell kinda. It's just I will never have to actually make a decision about it. And hopefully, if town does well enough, no one will u potentially evil scummerTell me, why are you pressing this point so hard? I think what I just explained to you should be obvious. | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:14 ritoky wrote: kush you got an opinion on using the audience thing now w/ an untainted/nearly untainted obs or hold it until necessary? use it for the last cell imo. You know how 3 player mylo gets. | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:22 ritoky wrote: HtS had a really good read on LS, the rest of the obs i don't really think has a particularly good read on him. i know rayn struggles to read rels; and there's a couple people who tend to mix newb with scum in the obs kinda a mixed bag. ya but is hts keeping up with the game? | ||
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what did you change lol | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:38 darthfoley wrote: I ask Kush, Shapelog or anyone who saw my scum or town play; does it really feel like i'm playing as mafia right now? Or are you just PoE stratting right now? I've been way more engaged, posted my thoughts-- even if they're unpopular-- and cared more than in my scum game in which I just went with whatever was hip and cool at the time. it doesn't look like his first and only scum game. But metas change a lot for new players. | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:45 darthfoley wrote: That's fair. But no one has yet to "get" me on what my supposed endgame as mafia is from my D1 play. Kuragari and I with a bit of Vivax were the only ones who were skeptical of VA, and they are both in later cells. Why would mafia risk losing 2 cells in a row right at the beginning by trying to save a sunken ship? I might be less experienced than some players, but i'm not that dumb. This seems so obvious to me man. It's clear imo that mafia is in a less than ideal situation, and going down 0:2 is desperation mode. Breshke just takes one for the team and cell 2 becomes almost a must win for mafia. Who seems to be playing in must-win-this-cell mode? Maybe because everyone else on your hypothetical scumteam voted bresh. Maybe because you didn't think he was going to afk all day. Are you saying none of the 5 person scumteam could have defended bresh? | ||
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On February 26 2016 09:56 darthfoley wrote: No, that's not what i'm saying-- although I think a smart scum team would have, and I think there's a good chance the scum team is smart. Especially considering either LS or Rels is bamboozling (town points for the word pls) most of you. Pretty sure I was the first person to seriously question the Breshke universal scumread, followed by Kuragari and then Vivax. Maybe i'm forgetting someone. Anyways, my argument never got any traction so good mafia would've still voted or stayed on Breshke imo so you are saying good mafia wouldn't have questioned the universal scumread in the first place. I agree, but you aren't good mafia. | ||
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On February 26 2016 10:03 darthfoley wrote: but i'm not a dumbass either k. but there's a problem with any argument that goes like "im not scum because scum wouldn't have done what I did because it looks scummy." There is a contradiction inherent in that argument. You think the looks so scummy it looks townie, therefore you think it looks townie, therefore you would do it as scum. | ||
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On February 26 2016 10:13 darthfoley wrote: Kush do you have any questions for me? Is ls or rels scum? | ||
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On February 26 2016 11:58 LightningStrike wrote: I already said this and I will say it again: Rels as scum tends to buddy up with town leaders and normally more happy and doesn't get angry as much as town Rels. This coming from someone who had played with scum rels twice(Season of the Witch and Battle of the Drams or something similar in name). so you think darth is definitely scum? | ||
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On February 26 2016 20:57 bumatlarge wrote: Looking at it again, I'm wrong about LS. The whole caps lock thing feels like something that should be scummy, but I think it's more of a moral compass thing of treating a townie that way. The rest of his posts aren't scummy, so I have to look in between rels and darthfoley. you shoudl probably scumread whoever is scum to mindfuck people. | ||
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DF, can you please answer, who is the scum in your cell? | ||
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because vivax was kind of inexplicably wrong on vayne, now he is looking to not vote df. | ||
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why not just figure it out for yourself then argue your opinion? | ||
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ritoky, without girls we are useless. | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:06 darthfoley wrote: It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game Are we reading the same thread?? Rels has been the most vocal, protown person this game. You may think he's wrong or even scum, but he's still been the most vocal protown person in the game. | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:14 Vivax wrote: Go away you tool, from being contributive at the start you got to just being mocking background noise now. Doesnt matter if Rels sounds protown or active, hes one able to easily fabricate that as mafia. I'm actually unvoting cause the more darth posts the more im convinced hes town. bruh, why you gotta insult like that.. i'm just saying what darth is saying is not making sense to me. Do you get what angle I'm shooting at? | ||
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On February 27 2016 11:29 Kuragari42 wrote: I've got a massive headache from breathing in cleaning fumes so I'm posting this now. Darth was the only one I wrote up an assessment of, the others are just filter dives. They should be up tomorrow we'll before the lynch with an update on DF. so that's no, i can't get a conclusion on darth? | ||
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Well he working very hard to defend himself and not very hard to identify which of rels or LS were scum. Rels looked really townie. Never played with him as scum but everyone says he has a good scumgame. I probably should have paid more attention to him? LS, I was trusting rels' townread on him. I'm really hoping it was LS so I can laugh at rels for his cell losing caps lock meta read. On my to do list tomorrow: I'm going to look at vivax and bum to confirm that bum is scum. Next I'll look at the next cells and give my opinions on those bitches. And ritoky, damn it's dumb to use ask the audience on this cell. | ||
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On February 28 2016 12:26 sicklucker wrote: Ok just read kushs filter and i still have no idea how to read this new tryhard kush. I suggest the ask the audience because they might read him better I haven't even been that tryhard this game. | ||
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On February 29 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote: Bum why are you relying on super old meta? It's like you are townreadng me too easily so you can say well vivax scum by poe and not have to do anything | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:55 bumatlarge wrote: I don't see a huge difference between VA and Breshke, other then VA has posted this: ...and Breshke has not. He's been filtering past games(?) of his cellmates, but that will not help a ton at the start of a game unless there are some serious meta patterns. Doubtful. He hasn't remarked on anyone outside his cell and it's important that he does. We want FF and Breshke to do the same VA, and we want them all to go a bit more in depth about their lists before they leace the game. Still plenty of time. @bum in this post re you talk about the uselessness of using meta at the start of the game. But you go on to compare vayne's play to one of his towngames, 2 days in, a long time ago. So if meta is useless why do you use it? | ||
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LS yelling makes him a townie is horseshit, but otherwise I don't see him being the scum in this cell. why not? Previously you expressed doubts about LS because he made a confirmed town ragequit. | ||
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This is kind of a waste of time but whatever lol. Day 2, Bum makes a hesitant scumread of vayne ,a hesitant townread of breshke, and votes breshke. He makes it clear that he really wants to switch to voting vayne if breshke comes back from afk. So his vote does not match his words, and the mafia motivation to save scum is clear. Vayne is scum because he hasn't posted as townie as townie as he did in 1 post from a game a long time ago, 2 days into the game: On February 25 2016 15:02 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + VayneAuthority These are all his reads, and I wouldn't call them reads, more like gut feelings, because there isn't much explanation anywhere. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote: vivax and breshke mafia On February 23 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote: you overestimate my memory, barely remember what happened in that game but dont worry ill solve the game right now SL Obi Rels breshke vivax badabing On February 25 2016 00:27 VayneAuthority wrote: breshke scum my updated list is breshke, darthfoley, vivax, obi, SL On February 25 2016 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote: its not coincidence that all the people i have as scum are voting me, its because they are scum lol The only posts that go into further detail are something about me playing a game 8 years ago and confusing me with someone, which is far from scummy. At least he went through the effort of looking at a past game of mine. And then one more post: On February 25 2016 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote: you look worse for defending breshke and I now know 100% that breshke is scum, simple as that. Thats why you now look worse. dunno what tangent you were even going off on Which is simply him connecting Breshke and darthfoley. There is an incredibly meager line that differentiates VA and Breshke. VA is capable of giving so much more. I liked this post in a previous town game that was roughly 2-3 days after the game started. On May 08 2013 01:59 VayneAuthority wrote: Second part Analysis of Targe So, tonight the mafia killed somebody that pretty much nobody expected of being mafia which was interesting and raises some questions. Which of the 2 of Sugarfluff, targe, nobodywonder, and espi.casey is scum? which of Me, calgar, shirokami, and spicydinosaur is scum? If I had to guess this would be the distribution the mafia went with, 2 on the townie lynch and one in no man's land. Jampi suspected both Targe and Espi.casey before he died, so we have to wonder if this a red herring or are these 2 really mafia? it's hard to tell. Targe was on the Jarjar lynch since the beginning, while espi jumped to it last second. This could be Targe being a sneaky mafia and carefully leading a wrong lynch, or it simply could be a townie that got a wrong read. Probably my biggest reason for suspecting Targe right now is that I like to pinpoint a certain player in the beginning and see how they react. Much like in courts, you'll see the psychological reaction of some one that did not commit a crime and is being tried unfairly be angry/upset, while those that have committed the crime tend to be more lax and unemotional. This has served me well in previous mafia games, where mafia will tend to just kind of semi-ignore your accusations and be pretty friendly about it as Targe has been doing. Another reason I have for suspecting him is that he is very adamant throughout about jampi being town, and then jampi shows up as dead the first night....this fixation did not go unnoticed and was the reason I needed to see the night killing before posting this. For the above reasons, I will be voting either Targe or Espi.casey tonight. Something like that would make me feel better about him HINT HINT @ VA So! -If VA posts anything beyond this and Breshke does not, I'd feel better about Breshke being lynched. -If Breshke makes a pretty substantial list of reads WITH REASONS, and regardless of whether VA does or does not build on what his "gut feelings", I would look closely on their most recent posts to gauge things. I'm putting my vote on Breshke. I think Australia has had enough time to give us anything. I'll try to pick at what's been posted so far by Brush. On that note On February 25 2016 03:35 ritoky wrote: basically this is where i am at: 1) i know from recent experience with him that breshke doesn't like being mafia as much as he likes being town 2) breshke has invested less in this game than basically any game he has played in years, which may be alignment indicative 3) breshke has done nothing for me to TR him, and nothing in general 4) VA did his town meta thing 5) VA sounds dickish/obstinate, which is how he sounds more often as town. as opposed to when he is all friendly and shit as mafia like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=VayneAuthority thus breshke i think breshke is currently the scum Based on what I've read in recent games, I don't get what this could possibly be, unless its making lists with no reasons. I must have missed that meta-call. Here is his townread of breshke. Breshke is town because of 1 hard work (ok reason) 2 called vayne scum and ff town, which wasn't contradicted by the 50/50. (this reason is really bad because town could have just as easily been wrong or right after the 50/50) On February 25 2016 15:21 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + Breshke (gonna call him B because I'm lazy) There are 2 keys to B 1) He hasn't made a read outside of his cell. Not sure if anyone told him, but we are going to know his and VAs alignment after this day, so it's worth knowing their thoughts. 2) He has what I like to call the newbie button. All you have to do is hold 'shift' and then press the '/' key after every sentence. And then you can say what you want? 'Bum is scum?' looks a lot more mild then 'Bum is scum.' This is one of his better posts. On February 24 2016 08:35 Breshke wrote: Damdred are you still here? This is a lot harder than i thought it would be. Currently after my brief skims through VA and FF's filter I havn't actually found anything scummy from either of them. I think VA is the scum though purely from the fact that this looks exactly like what I remember from FF and i've only ever played with him as town iirc. His posts seem totally carefree and there is the random posts that do not relate to the game whatsoever. I will look through his recent scumgames though and see if it's any different. I know this was at the start of the game but do you remember reasons for this list? Aside from him not delivering about VA's past games, and hitting the newbie button so as to avoid all confrontation, he was pretty much on the money. From his point of view, he called FF town and VA scum, and the 50/50 confirms that for him. He either got lucky or made a call he wasn't afraid of. GOOD JOB BRESHKE. On February 24 2016 09:01 Breshke wrote: mmmm it's really difficult that your scum games are 2/3 smurf games. Just from a skim of your wartrukk game it is very obvious that you played far more seriously. There was still some moments of idgaf but I can see how they made less sense. Not really sure how to explain that. Im not sure how much I can attribute this to your scum game or weather it is you trying not to out your smurf though. Would you say you were actively trying to hide your identity that game FF? I'm having trouble finding pyp even though i played in it fml Oh, he did follow up on filtering VA. And he even went through smurfs. I would never do that, that sounds like work. More question marks, and even self-deprecation. + Show Spoiler + [M][N] [W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 2 [W] Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 [M][N] Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4 [S] Student Mafia IV Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 [M][N] Metal Mini Mafia! 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On February 29 2016 05:34 sicklucker wrote: Bum/kush whats your current read on my cell Dunno yet. Is it gonna affect your read on us? Because if it affects your read on us, that's gonna affect my read on you. | ||
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On February 29 2016 06:38 sicklucker wrote: like i expect mafia to be positioning themselves to vote me so they get the point. its not rocket science But I'm not voting on your cell. Just kinda weird that you need that information to decide on our cell. | ||
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On February 29 2016 07:10 sicklucker wrote: I asked you kush because you think im mafia. but if im mafia why do we have the same scum read? thats kind of what im getting at.. that does not sit right with me that you havent qeustioned this once If you think I think you're mafia, you are putting way too much stock into my earlier lists. I don't know what you are. | ||
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As for you having the same reads as me, you could be busing or those reads could be wrong. But that point isn't even relevant because of my first sentence, and the fact that I'm not even scumreading you. | ||
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Not gonna read those filters though. So basically I'm saying gl with that shit, peace out. | ||
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On February 29 2016 13:49 bumatlarge wrote: You were blindly following what Vivax shoved in your face about some stupid "he thought I was a different Bum". You're not going to pigeonhole me to being rightly paranoid on the first lynch of the game. And then that's it? This is your case? Stop being lazy. Why did you join this game? Give me or vivax a proper analysis kush. If you don't I swear to god I'm not playing mafia ever again. You still didn't address anything in this case or answer any of my questions I posted above the case. This has nothing to do with Vivax. I find your appeal to emotion, that you will never play mafia again, forced and overreactive. | ||
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On February 29 2016 22:27 Shapelog wrote: Idc, I am willing to take the bullet as long as this cell gives us a point to bump us 2:1 I still will try to prove my innocents, but I won't mind. Why won't you mind? The last cell is really hard. | ||
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I haven't given a lot of thought into the next two cells because their filters are long. And I've felt I haven't needed to prove my towniness. I already made a case on bum that was a slam dunk. | ||
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After that I had to do work. I am at work so I have to do stuff sometimes. | ||
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On March 01 2016 06:27 bumatlarge wrote: Is anyone voting me that isn't PoE?... YES. You still havent' addressed my case. You still havent' answered the questions I posted before the case. I mean I don't suggest you waste the effort because you are going to get lynched regardless but w/e. | ||
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On March 01 2016 06:48 Kuragari42 wrote: Found something that appears interesting in kush's filter though. Post 308/316 he scum leans obi and town leans shape. Post 341 he scum reads shape. No explanation of why the change. Those reads were guessing based on what I was feeling in the moment. You should put zero stock into them. | ||
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On February 25 2016 04:46 Kuragari42 wrote: Pretty sure if town hasn't won by our cell, it will be insta-loss. Is this townie? I think it might be but I'm not sure why. | ||
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On March 01 2016 06:54 Kuragari42 wrote: Noon, thoughts on me. You are 1 of 2 who have played w me before, does this look like my first scum game to you? I will say it looks a lot different from your last towngame. But a lot of little things are making me think you're town. | ||
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On March 01 2016 06:55 Shapelog wrote: Because mafia would not care about that at that stage of game? If he's scum, that's a statement on confidence. | ||
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How did you caps lock like that!! | ||
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I doubt you died for your d1 and d2 that far into the game. | ||
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I was just adding my support to something that was already supported to help keep it in place in future cell games. If you think my comment was superfluous thenI apologize. I was just bored so I wanted to say something. | ||
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One the one hand breshke's play would be easy for mafia to do. On the other hand, Breshke wouldn't do something so easy for mafia to do. | ||
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