Shin Megami Tensei: The Devil Inside Mafia - Page 3

On February 18 2016 05:24 Eden1892 wrote:
Lets lynch Shining.

Give me time to analyze the power role shenanigans. Don't try to resolve that without me. ESP since we might get more info about those shenanigans with the nightkill

On February 18 2016 05:57 Eden1892 wrote:
I switched to Palmar for bad reasons but idgaf

On February 18 2016 05:24 Eden1892 wrote:
Lets lynch Shining.

Give me time to analyze the power role shenanigans. Don't try to resolve that without me. ESP since we might get more info about those shenanigans with the nightkill

On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post.

Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion.

Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this...



Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads.

It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum.

Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI.

But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters.

I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so.

Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch.

On February 18 2016 14:10 Eden1892 wrote:

brb crying to my parents about how scared this makes me feel

On February 18 2016 15:11 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm going to do my best to ignore the parts that were unreasonable, but you need to cut this attitude out, because it's completely uncalled for.


I think there is one salient point in there I'll try to address without the things around it...



The way I read the initial reads post, this:



looked like Shining was saying Tictock was townie for making these points about these reads.

I guess if he's saying that Tictock is a little more likely to give these reads as mafia, you can still say all this, but when I'm reading it the conclusion I'm being led to is "Tictock is town."

Maybe I should have asked first -- since you conclude that Tictock leans scum (and thus was just handing out these townreads to get town credit or be active or whatever have you), why do you think that explanation is more likely than the one where Tictock is town, identifies some other townies early but just doesn't have a good scumread at that point in time?