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On January 18 2016 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Of course you should, I only agreed to replace into the first game because it was starting and I was asked to /in last second. If it could have been that you got more people for a reroll I would have gone on the replacement list again.
I also didn't have time to see a reroll and contact you since I had my pm already.
Either way I stuck it out and people spammed the thread from obs and while the host message wasn't intended to be directed towards me it wouldn't have necessarily been posted if I was mafia. Rayn sure took my posts and the obs spam and the host message to mean I was town at least. You should be requesting bans for those people.
yeah this sort of thinking from players in general is a bit ridiculous tbh. the host message would always have occurred because of the obs spam. period. you people need to redefine what "mod-confirmed" means because this is never a mod-confirmation here and is only player speculation
the rest is noted
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On January 18 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 22:41 Palmar wrote:
Ok warning, rambling rant.
The thing is, people put completely unreasonable expectations into invite games. Invite games tend to be bad because it's usually filled with a bunch of people who mostly just show up because of the prestige of having been invited. I'd much rather play with 8 newbies who still think lying as town is a good idea than a bunch of salty, lazy veterans.
I get it, rayn wanted to have a nice game. He wanted a game where he could play with everyone actually trying. But the problem is, you simply cannot have such a game on demand. It's basically impossible.
A player who signs up for a game does so because he genuinely wants to play. A player who is invited is mostly just dragged into the game.
Yes, the overall quality of the people invited to invite games tends to be relatively high, but half of us have obligations or are afk so the end result usually is worse than when you have a bunch of enthusiastic people who for some reason have still not been added to the invite lists.
I also just don't like the exclusivity, I think the game is way too complicated for anyone to make a call on who should be invited and who shouldn't.
Let's not do too many of these in the future pls. Apart from this failure - how do you come to this conclusion? I think invite games are a pretty good (if not the only) solution if you are tired of people signing up and not playing the game because you cannot avoid those people otherwise. For example (and I don't think using this one is mean): if coag signs up for a game I immediately think twice about joining it - not because I hate him or anything but because I know he will be dead weight regardless of his alignment. You can't realistically keep him from joining because wisdom of the crowds is not really a thing. So you have to pray he doesn't join the games you want to play in. Sure there might be problems when people have an ego and aren't invited but you have to keep in mind that the one who organizes the game is in charge of the invites (and rightfully so) so the choice of players will always be subjective. This is not an "official TL game for the best players". This is a round of mafia someone decided to organize to have a game with the people he wants to play with.
It's just an experience thing. My overall feeling is that none of the invite games I've played in have been anywhere near the quality of the good normal games that I've played.
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@Artanis, if hf is not going to address his bads, will you do it for him pls?
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I called 2/3 of the mafia.
my reads weren't horrible and I almost even called ritoky out. God dangit -_-.
Also alot this really isn't how games normally go here to some extent.
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On January 18 2016 23:42 Palmar wrote:
@Artanis, if hf is not going to address his bads, will you do it for him pls?
I have no idea what you mean with his bads, but I refuse because lynch palmar.
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On January 18 2016 23:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 23:42 Palmar wrote:
@Artanis, if hf is not going to address his bads, will you do it for him pls? I have no idea what you mean with his bads, but I refuse because lynch palmar.
I want him to talk about why so bad he is
pls
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On January 18 2016 23:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 23:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2016 23:42 Palmar wrote:
@Artanis, if hf is not going to address his bads, will you do it for him pls? I have no idea what you mean with his bads, but I refuse because lynch palmar. I want him to talk about why so bad he is pls
You are a very optimistic guy I see.
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On January 18 2016 23:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2016 22:41 Palmar wrote:
Ok warning, rambling rant.
The thing is, people put completely unreasonable expectations into invite games. Invite games tend to be bad because it's usually filled with a bunch of people who mostly just show up because of the prestige of having been invited. I'd much rather play with 8 newbies who still think lying as town is a good idea than a bunch of salty, lazy veterans.
I get it, rayn wanted to have a nice game. He wanted a game where he could play with everyone actually trying. But the problem is, you simply cannot have such a game on demand. It's basically impossible.
A player who signs up for a game does so because he genuinely wants to play. A player who is invited is mostly just dragged into the game.
Yes, the overall quality of the people invited to invite games tends to be relatively high, but half of us have obligations or are afk so the end result usually is worse than when you have a bunch of enthusiastic people who for some reason have still not been added to the invite lists.
I also just don't like the exclusivity, I think the game is way too complicated for anyone to make a call on who should be invited and who shouldn't.
Let's not do too many of these in the future pls. Apart from this failure - how do you come to this conclusion? I think invite games are a pretty good (if not the only) solution if you are tired of people signing up and not playing the game because you cannot avoid those people otherwise. For example (and I don't think using this one is mean): if coag signs up for a game I immediately think twice about joining it - not because I hate him or anything but because I know he will be dead weight regardless of his alignment. You can't realistically keep him from joining because wisdom of the crowds is not really a thing. So you have to pray he doesn't join the games you want to play in. Sure there might be problems when people have an ego and aren't invited but you have to keep in mind that the one who organizes the game is in charge of the invites (and rightfully so) so the choice of players will always be subjective. This is not an "official TL game for the best players". This is a round of mafia someone decided to organize to have a game with the people he wants to play with. It's just an experience thing. My overall feeling is that none of the invite games I've played in have been anywhere near the quality of the good normal games that I've played.
Shadow Game was pretty high quality
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On January 18 2016 23:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 23:41 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2016 22:41 Palmar wrote:
Ok warning, rambling rant.
The thing is, people put completely unreasonable expectations into invite games. Invite games tend to be bad because it's usually filled with a bunch of people who mostly just show up because of the prestige of having been invited. I'd much rather play with 8 newbies who still think lying as town is a good idea than a bunch of salty, lazy veterans.
I get it, rayn wanted to have a nice game. He wanted a game where he could play with everyone actually trying. But the problem is, you simply cannot have such a game on demand. It's basically impossible.
A player who signs up for a game does so because he genuinely wants to play. A player who is invited is mostly just dragged into the game.
Yes, the overall quality of the people invited to invite games tends to be relatively high, but half of us have obligations or are afk so the end result usually is worse than when you have a bunch of enthusiastic people who for some reason have still not been added to the invite lists.
I also just don't like the exclusivity, I think the game is way too complicated for anyone to make a call on who should be invited and who shouldn't.
Let's not do too many of these in the future pls. Apart from this failure - how do you come to this conclusion? I think invite games are a pretty good (if not the only) solution if you are tired of people signing up and not playing the game because you cannot avoid those people otherwise. For example (and I don't think using this one is mean): if coag signs up for a game I immediately think twice about joining it - not because I hate him or anything but because I know he will be dead weight regardless of his alignment. You can't realistically keep him from joining because wisdom of the crowds is not really a thing. So you have to pray he doesn't join the games you want to play in. Sure there might be problems when people have an ego and aren't invited but you have to keep in mind that the one who organizes the game is in charge of the invites (and rightfully so) so the choice of players will always be subjective. This is not an "official TL game for the best players". This is a round of mafia someone decided to organize to have a game with the people he wants to play with. It's just an experience thing. My overall feeling is that none of the invite games I've played in have been anywhere near the quality of the good normal games that I've played. Shadow Game was pretty high quality
Yeah, I think so too and that is pretty much the only other invite game that I remember.
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On January 18 2016 23:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 23:41 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2016 22:41 Palmar wrote:
Ok warning, rambling rant.
The thing is, people put completely unreasonable expectations into invite games. Invite games tend to be bad because it's usually filled with a bunch of people who mostly just show up because of the prestige of having been invited. I'd much rather play with 8 newbies who still think lying as town is a good idea than a bunch of salty, lazy veterans.
I get it, rayn wanted to have a nice game. He wanted a game where he could play with everyone actually trying. But the problem is, you simply cannot have such a game on demand. It's basically impossible.
A player who signs up for a game does so because he genuinely wants to play. A player who is invited is mostly just dragged into the game.
Yes, the overall quality of the people invited to invite games tends to be relatively high, but half of us have obligations or are afk so the end result usually is worse than when you have a bunch of enthusiastic people who for some reason have still not been added to the invite lists.
I also just don't like the exclusivity, I think the game is way too complicated for anyone to make a call on who should be invited and who shouldn't.
Let's not do too many of these in the future pls. Apart from this failure - how do you come to this conclusion? I think invite games are a pretty good (if not the only) solution if you are tired of people signing up and not playing the game because you cannot avoid those people otherwise. For example (and I don't think using this one is mean): if coag signs up for a game I immediately think twice about joining it - not because I hate him or anything but because I know he will be dead weight regardless of his alignment. You can't realistically keep him from joining because wisdom of the crowds is not really a thing. So you have to pray he doesn't join the games you want to play in. Sure there might be problems when people have an ego and aren't invited but you have to keep in mind that the one who organizes the game is in charge of the invites (and rightfully so) so the choice of players will always be subjective. This is not an "official TL game for the best players". This is a round of mafia someone decided to organize to have a game with the people he wants to play with. It's just an experience thing. My overall feeling is that none of the invite games I've played in have been anywhere near the quality of the good normal games that I've played. Shadow Game was pretty high quality
I didn't play so I doubt it. I am literally highest quality.
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Maybe I'm just salty I didn't get invited  (
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The last invite game I was in was fun. And before the rwroll this one would of been good I think.
Idk what happened hf tried to get under rayns skin, rayn took it out on the game. We lynched palmar
It was sadness
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On January 18 2016 23:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Of course you should, I only agreed to replace into the first game because it was starting and I was asked to /in last second. If it could have been that you got more people for a reroll I would have gone on the replacement list again.
I also didn't have time to see a reroll and contact you since I had my pm already.
Either way I stuck it out and people spammed the thread from obs and while the host message wasn't intended to be directed towards me it wouldn't have necessarily been posted if I was mafia. Rayn sure took my posts and the obs spam and the host message to mean I was town at least. You should be requesting bans for those people.
hf will you address your bads pls it's very important 2 me
I badz but you got lynched so you more badz. When you are town you need to look towny and play to the people in the game. It's not all about being wrong.
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On January 18 2016 23:53 Damdred wrote:
The last invite game I was in was fun. And before the rwroll this one would of been good I think.
Idk what happened hf tried to get under rayns skin, rayn took it out on the game. We lynched palmar
It was sadness
Yeh well initially I didn't mind but then rayn told me he made a case on me because he knew I was town and wanted me out of the game and then changed somehow to me being mafia. Aka wasting my life.
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A bit disappointed to see things end the way they did and some people react the way they did, don't think I need to beat a dead horse.
Gameplay wise...at least I was right with rayn/HF being town on town at first glance but felt the interactions were starting to become a bit distraction so I deliberately tried to play around them. I think I realise why DYH saw it as scummy though.
Really would like to know why Trfel shot me or why he thought I was the best shot when looking at the votes there were several better shots and other lurkers (i.e. geript). I was unable to play all evening (night phase) because of work so if that's why I was shot, I'll post something next time if I'm getting slammed, but if it was for my day 1 play then I really don't know what to say. I know he was unable to read me for most of Dark Tournament so I did have in the back of my mind he might have just been unable to read me this game.
Trfel being vig, obviously means he knows he's the second wagon, but especially given the votes - and Ace pointed it out quite nicely in obs - Cephiro was a much better one that case on scumbuddy ASM was pretty bad and had many faults and I would have pushed him day 2 had I not been shot.
DYH, I couldn't tell if it was coming from scum or town, and I knew he was probably fear reading me because of Newbie 18. I'm guessing that influenced his vote prior to shennanies.
ritoky's last post was pretty bad, scumslips or interpretations of them aren't NAI, I probably would have called him out on that. doubt I'd have gotten ASM until later on.
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On January 18 2016 23:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Of course you should, I only agreed to replace into the first game because it was starting and I was asked to /in last second. If it could have been that you got more people for a reroll I would have gone on the replacement list again.
I also didn't have time to see a reroll and contact you since I had my pm already.
Either way I stuck it out and people spammed the thread from obs and while the host message wasn't intended to be directed towards me it wouldn't have necessarily been posted if I was mafia. Rayn sure took my posts and the obs spam and the host message to mean I was town at least. You should be requesting bans for those people.
yeah this sort of thinking from players in general is a bit ridiculous tbh. the host message would always have occurred because of the obs spam. period. you people need to redefine what "mod-confirmed" means because this is never a mod-confirmation here and is only player speculation
The number of times the phrase "mod-confirmed" comes up for completely baseless reasons is a bit annoying. For instance, in the recent newbie game someone mentioned a player was "mod-confirmed" because they were hospitalized and replaced via PM or some nonsense like that. Half the time people don't even believe it, but they push it for convenience.
If someone has a concern about mod actions revealing the alignment of a player, they should almost always bring it up via PMs to the host, rather than present it as some sort of "case" in the thread.
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that said, thanks to the mods for hosting, I've been told a few times it can be thankless sometimes, and I can see why now.
also ASM, I'm with Damdred here, not all games are close to being like this. Modkills even aren't all that common when you consider the number of games played on the site.
also on the topic of Coagulation or people who will not play as either alignment it boggles my mind as to why people won't just grow a pair and policy lynch on TL to at least deter others from not playing especially when an environment is ripe for shenanigans at end of cycle or it's evident that scum will keep someone like him around until he becomes a detriment late game.
This game, policy lynching HF was a slightly different scenario since the issue here was not lurking but I know that was brought up in the obs QT as well.
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Because that wastes 72 hours to lynch a coin flip and they are often town and it's not worth the change if you can just not play with them.
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On January 19 2016 00:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2016 23:36 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2016 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Of course you should, I only agreed to replace into the first game because it was starting and I was asked to /in last second. If it could have been that you got more people for a reroll I would have gone on the replacement list again.
I also didn't have time to see a reroll and contact you since I had my pm already.
Either way I stuck it out and people spammed the thread from obs and while the host message wasn't intended to be directed towards me it wouldn't have necessarily been posted if I was mafia. Rayn sure took my posts and the obs spam and the host message to mean I was town at least. You should be requesting bans for those people.
hf will you address your bads pls it's very important 2 me I badz but you got lynched so you more badz. When you are town you need to look towny and play to the people in the game. It's not all about being wrong.
wow this wisdom.
I will tattoo on my butt
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On January 19 2016 00:40 Holyflare wrote:
Because that wastes 72 hours to lynch a coin flip and they are often town and it's not worth the change if you can just not play with them.
Yes, you can policy lynch them all you want - it won't change a goddamn thing and in the specific game it gets you one step closer to losing if they are town which is the case most of the time.
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