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On January 17 2016 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:
So my thinking for a scum NM basically comes down to these two points, which tie together.
1. Strange approach to HF and rayn. NM's initial read is that their scumming eachother was town on town. NM is scumreading Trfel. NM isn't trying to convince people off of the very likely to be lynched HF when he has a townread on HF. Particularly strange since he also has a townread on HF's prime pusher, rayn. It is even stranger when the secondary wagon which has momentum is Trfel.
2. Something that NM was advised of last game by HTS after-the-fact was that something he does as town is to call out when people are using things to call others scum that do not make them scum. The lack of him doing that was one of the ways she was sure he was scum. This game, he is doing that. But he isn't doing it to stop a push on HF.
Same response I just gave to Trfel now. EARLY ENOUGH IN THE GAME and those reads can change, also people policy lynching HF is another issue we have to contend with here. I can convince people of a scumread until I am blue in the face but if people want to policy lynch HF there's nothing I can do about it and I still maintain that Trfel is taking certain NAI factors and making it alignment indicative. (ritoky vs myself......uh hello?!??!?!?!?)
One way to stop a push on a townread is to convince them more on your scumread but aside from saying "plynch is a copout/etc" I'm really not going to get anywhere. And Damdred truly believes in his townread on Trfel, I get that and looked into other people since this is a 10v3 game.
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On January 17 2016 08:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:On January 17 2016 08:20 Trfel wrote:@NocturneMage, I am ignoring geript and Palmar (and AlotSomuch) because I am not sure about them, and because you are mafia  I felt that Palmar is town for meta reasons, but I should probably look again at Assassination Mafia, my meta could be incorrect. I'm not, and when I flip town, where will you go after that? Also IIRC Palmar's meta is finding mafia day 1 or being scum for not progressing the game. If you maintain he's town for meta reasons and he's policy lynching HF over a scum read (you) and you're town, why would you be townreading him? Or if your understanding of his meta is different from mine, then what is it? I don't know. I'm starting to remember some things that make me less sure that you are mafia, though, so I really need to look into that more. My perception of Palmar's meta is that as mafia he is serious and as town he is not. Basically just that, but relative to Palmar's play. That's why he was mafia in Outlaw Mafia (to me, anyway), because overall he was serious and actually playing the game as it's intended to be played. To answer your previous question, I did read the thread (if a bit quickly, there's some time pressure...), and I read your posts. And I still think that you are mafia, though I'm double-checking that read. Yes, I found several things about your more recent posts suspicious, but I don't share every suspicious thing that I see unless I feel that there is a point to it.
Here's the thing, the reason I'm asking you this is accountability. You're driving a mislynch one way or another.
DYH I can't tell at the moment if he's town having a bad read on me because he's just not been in this game or if he's mafia trying to get the easiest ML he can manage.
And Trfel if you are town, then I think you're not entirely accurate on the Palmar meta. He trolled the shit out of people in Outlaw, and in Down Under 3 from obsing I recall him being more serious yelling at people who didn't follow him. It's a faulty reason to town him in your worldview.
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On January 17 2016 08:46 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 08:44 NocturneMage wrote:On January 17 2016 08:34 Trfel wrote:On January 17 2016 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:On January 17 2016 08:20 Trfel wrote:@NocturneMage, I am ignoring geript and Palmar (and AlotSomuch) because I am not sure about them, and because you are mafia I felt that Palmar is town for meta reasons, but I should probably look again at Assassination Mafia, my meta could be incorrect. I'm not, and when I flip town, where will you go after that? Also IIRC Palmar's meta is finding mafia day 1 or being scum for not progressing the game. If you maintain he's town for meta reasons and he's policy lynching HF over a scum read (you) and you're town, why would you be townreading him? Or if your understanding of his meta is different from mine, then what is it? I don't know. I'm starting to remember some things that make me less sure that you are mafia, though, so I really need to look into that more. My perception of Palmar's meta is that as mafia he is serious and as town he is not. Basically just that, but relative to Palmar's play. That's why he was mafia in Outlaw Mafia (to me, anyway), because overall he was serious and actually playing the game as it's intended to be played. To answer your previous question, I did read the thread (if a bit quickly, there's some time pressure...), and I read your posts. And I still think that you are mafia, though I'm double-checking that read. Yes, I found several things about your more recent posts suspicious, but I don't share every suspicious thing that I see unless I feel that there is a point to it. Here's the thing, the reason I'm asking you this is accountability. You're driving a mislynch one way or another.
DYH I can't tell at the moment if he's town having a bad read on me because he's just not been in this game or if he's mafia trying to get the easiest ML he can manage. And Trfel if you are town, then I think you're not entirely accurate on the Palmar meta. He trolled the shit out of people in Outlaw, and in Down Under 3 from obsing I recall him being more serious yelling at people who didn't follow him. It's a faulty reason to town him in your worldview. the fuck? clarify
Sure. I just asked him a question where does he go after I flip.
I'm town, so if I get lynched, it's a mislynch.
In the event I'm wrong on him and he's town ("one way or another") he comes under suspicion for pushing the mislynch, and in a way that is quite similar to Fullmetal (those who recognise the game will understand what I mean). If I'm wrong on him and he's town, any information he gives regarding other people might help me or others figure out his alignment. If he's mafia, then any answer he gives (or non-answer) may help others find partner(s) etc.
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On January 17 2016 08:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 08:44 NocturneMage wrote:On January 17 2016 08:34 Trfel wrote:On January 17 2016 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:On January 17 2016 08:20 Trfel wrote:@NocturneMage, I am ignoring geript and Palmar (and AlotSomuch) because I am not sure about them, and because you are mafia I felt that Palmar is town for meta reasons, but I should probably look again at Assassination Mafia, my meta could be incorrect. I'm not, and when I flip town, where will you go after that? Also IIRC Palmar's meta is finding mafia day 1 or being scum for not progressing the game. If you maintain he's town for meta reasons and he's policy lynching HF over a scum read (you) and you're town, why would you be townreading him? Or if your understanding of his meta is different from mine, then what is it? I don't know. I'm starting to remember some things that make me less sure that you are mafia, though, so I really need to look into that more. My perception of Palmar's meta is that as mafia he is serious and as town he is not. Basically just that, but relative to Palmar's play. That's why he was mafia in Outlaw Mafia (to me, anyway), because overall he was serious and actually playing the game as it's intended to be played. To answer your previous question, I did read the thread (if a bit quickly, there's some time pressure...), and I read your posts. And I still think that you are mafia, though I'm double-checking that read. Yes, I found several things about your more recent posts suspicious, but I don't share every suspicious thing that I see unless I feel that there is a point to it. Here's the thing, the reason I'm asking you this is accountability. You're driving a mislynch one way or another. DYH I can't tell at the moment if he's town having a bad read on me because he's just not been in this game or if he's mafia trying to get the easiest ML he can manage. And Trfel if you are town, then I think you're not entirely accurate on the Palmar meta. He trolled the shit out of people in Outlaw, and in Down Under 3 from obsing I recall him being more serious yelling at people who didn't follow him. It's a faulty reason to town him in your worldview. Um, my read is entirely correct. Palmar didn't troll at all in Outlaw Mafia (at least not in the first three days, pretty sure he didn't after that, either). At least, not relative to Palmar, anyway. An example of Palmar trolling is shown in Down Under 2, where Palmar was talking to two or three other Palmars. Another example of Palmar trolling is shown in Linux Mafia, where he mocked the recently released movie "The Interview" by drawing attention to himself without furthering the game in any way. It's not something I can explain, you'd have to read it to believe it.
Alright, so you have your basis for that meta, fine. This doesn't make you mafia.
I can shennanie onto Palmar or geript if we aren't getting the majority on Trfel.
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It's too late by the time I got to the vote thread.
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Blargh.
I am going to afk, clear my mind and return.
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ggs.
nice to come home from work to this though. such is life. good luck.
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A bit disappointed to see things end the way they did and some people react the way they did, don't think I need to beat a dead horse.
Gameplay wise...at least I was right with rayn/HF being town on town at first glance but felt the interactions were starting to become a bit distraction so I deliberately tried to play around them. I think I realise why DYH saw it as scummy though.
Really would like to know why Trfel shot me or why he thought I was the best shot when looking at the votes there were several better shots and other lurkers (i.e. geript). I was unable to play all evening (night phase) because of work so if that's why I was shot, I'll post something next time if I'm getting slammed, but if it was for my day 1 play then I really don't know what to say. I know he was unable to read me for most of Dark Tournament so I did have in the back of my mind he might have just been unable to read me this game.
Trfel being vig, obviously means he knows he's the second wagon, but especially given the votes - and Ace pointed it out quite nicely in obs - Cephiro was a much better one that case on scumbuddy ASM was pretty bad and had many faults and I would have pushed him day 2 had I not been shot.
DYH, I couldn't tell if it was coming from scum or town, and I knew he was probably fear reading me because of Newbie 18. I'm guessing that influenced his vote prior to shennanies.
ritoky's last post was pretty bad, scumslips or interpretations of them aren't NAI, I probably would have called him out on that. doubt I'd have gotten ASM until later on.
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that said, thanks to the mods for hosting, I've been told a few times it can be thankless sometimes, and I can see why now.
also ASM, I'm with Damdred here, not all games are close to being like this. Modkills even aren't all that common when you consider the number of games played on the site.
also on the topic of Coagulation or people who will not play as either alignment it boggles my mind as to why people won't just grow a pair and policy lynch on TL to at least deter others from not playing especially when an environment is ripe for shenanigans at end of cycle or it's evident that scum will keep someone like him around until he becomes a detriment late game.
This game, policy lynching HF was a slightly different scenario since the issue here was not lurking but I know that was brought up in the obs QT as well.
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