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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 20:55 GMT
#137
Evening all, catching up.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:01 GMT
#138
Alright, to start, do not like that Trfel post (#51) at all. Read on ritoky - everything is banter, so how you get disinterest given the timing relative to the start...that's meh at best. Final two questions, you could have just asked to clarify, I know I would if I see someone post "I nothing him". That's not ever proper English.

The argument about addressing Damdred - forget about it, nothing to even be addressed because what Damdred said was truly NAI.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:17 GMT
#140
Rayn v Holyflare is looking town on town to me.

the rayn breakdown makes sense, I know he is someone that thinks logically, sometimes a bit linearly, but there's no mafia motivation I can see in his posting. He has nothing to hide. Holyflare could very well be thinking along different lines here. He tried to draw a reaction, it was off an NAI post, but it doesn't exclusively make him mafia.

Trfel's post on lack of emotions, plus the post with six questions does look fairly contrived.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:24 GMT
#143
VE has a townlean for his posts through #128.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:25 GMT
#144
On January 16 2016 06:10 geript wrote:
I'm pretty sure that ASM is mafia too. His post made like 0 sense whatsoever.


First post was under the influence, rest of filter seemed alright to me aside from the ignorance of who was in the game and who wasn't but that's not what I would consider mafia indicative. Break it down further?
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NocturneMage
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United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:25 GMT
#146
In the meantime, voting Trfel.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:43 GMT
#155
Is that shitty HF townread scummy when you consider that ASM isn't familiar with the players here (I hear he's new to this forum, correct?)

I am interpreting his sentence on Holyflare to be that he's acting similar to how he read marv last game.

I also don't think the reads are random, rayn has been active and engaged and as I stated before I read his posts carefully and couldn't see mafia motivation in them. If you think ASM is deliberately ignoring mafia motivations in rayn's post then that's an entirely different argument with a different breakdown.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 15 2016 21:45 GMT
#157
Any of the points on sicklucker and Eden made by anyone is NAI. I don't even.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 19:43 GMT
#300
Phone posting.

Whoever said I was disinterested that isnt true. Unavailable is one thing. I will catch up when I get to my laptop in the next approx 45 min.

Trfel I looked at the interactions between HF/Rayn to come to my conclusion.

Damdred regarding point #2 in your conclusion re: Trfel you very well could be wrong, that was similar shit he pulled in Fullmetal when he was Mafia.

I'll look/read more carefully and follow up.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 19:46 GMT
#301
Also VE if I recall correctly you agreed with Palmar on the same point against Trfel, his reads were contived/townread and scumread in the same post, now you don't like him for tone?

Unless I missed one of Palmars posts, what changed?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 19:53 GMT
#303
Also HF your last question to me, the logic was in the long post Rayn made...I realise this is useless without me being able to quote it.

I believe ASM and at least one other person also felt the similar logic in it so where did that come about you didn't understand, same thing with geript break down what made zero sense.

Obviously if this was made moot in the last six pages then fine but just saying.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 19:56 GMT
#304
Also HF your last question to me, the logic was in the long post Rayn made...I realise this is useless without me being able to quote it.

I believe ASM and at least one other person also felt the similar logic in it so where did that come about you didn't understand, same thing with geript break down what made zero sense.

Obviously if this was made moot in the last six pages then fine but just saying.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 20:53 GMT
#321
On January 16 2016 06:32 Palmar wrote:
alot is just bad or troll

I am never changing my vote from HF while he's being a little bitch. If I change it, it'll be to trfel who is mafia.

I prefer lynching little crying bitches over mafia though.


On January 17 2016 00:37 Palmar wrote:
we're 100% lynching hf and shooting trfel

I'm not really gonna read anything until they're both dead.


I'm here on the laptop. Finally.

Alright, spiel on Palmar. Okay with his first point against Trfel, but here's what I don't like - why go for a policy lynch (from what I'm reading) over a scum lynch and furthermore, why is he banking on a role that may or may not shoot Trfel depending on how he's read?

There are a lot of lurkers and others in the eyes of some of the other players have reason to be shot, hence a shot on Trfel is not necessarily guaranteed.

Additionally in both cases both players are players who can more easily be read in subsequent days, it's not like HF is lurking and not able to be read. So I don't get that either.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 20:55 GMT
#323
Also something additional in Trfel's filter I recall being possibly mafia indicative, it was related to his change on reads in ritoky. And the criteria he was using in shifting those reads between ritoky and myself using disinterest....checking that now...
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 20:59 GMT
#325
On January 17 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
Because palmar's best day is day 1 unless he's mafia when it's not.


From another ongoing game I cannot mention this was brought up where he finds mafia day 1, here in this game, he has Trfel as mafia yet doesn't vote for him, so I am trying to figure out what he gets (from his view) out of a HF lynch, like what, information? not if people (from what I see Damdred, DYH) are saying, whoops no, let's just get HF out of the way via policy. Given other possible candidates I think it's a cop out unless they are legit scumreading you.

In any case I'm still catching up with the thread.

atm I can't see any possible town motivation from Palmar, so atm can switch to him if town want to consolidate on him.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 21:00 GMT
#326
On January 17 2016 05:56 Damdred wrote:
I do like how nm is totally ignoring me and just doing his own thing.


???????

On January 17 2016 04:49 Damdred wrote:
Nm while it a true full metal for trfel did sort of fit into two I don't think that this fits exactly. At a certain point trfel just gave up that game.

Not sure about here exactly cared a bot more about getting heard want to say town still.

Something about geript makes me sorta say don't lynch today either.

HF even though I think he flips town might just be the lynch to avoid distraction this game.

But I want people's opinions elsewhere.


I was getting there?

If I missed something else you said, quote it.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 21:01 GMT
#327
Doesn't mean I'm not going to point out other things I don't like but still.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 21:06 GMT
#328
On January 16 2016 06:27 ritoky wrote:
in terms of game stuff i think hf and ve are town

there's also a vast difference in palmar and rayn's interactions which suggests to me that rayn probably isn't mafia unless he is with palmar.


On January 17 2016 05:38 ritoky wrote:
i kinda wanna sheep VE this phase


ritoky might be disinterested, but gut call based on these two quotes, and my read on VE, makes me think ritoky warrants a townlean here.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 21:12 GMT
#331
Just went through Ace's filter. I do not know how he normally plays as either alignment but overall impression from the filter is someone who is just laying back and in the event of a mislynch, we can conclude he's allowing town to destroy itself. Just seems disconnected from the thread, not clear on why he's scumreading HF (175/293 - not a policy lynch).

178 can come from either alignment. 175, the Palmar still doing town stuff allegedly part, I don't know why he doesn't just zero in on Palmar and take a stance one way or another.

But just looking at his filter, not knowing anything else, I'd say it warrants a scumlean.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 16 2016 21:18 GMT
#334
On January 17 2016 06:10 Damdred wrote:
You will have to explain that one a lot more


I'll assume that's on my post on ritoky. Sure. Disinterest can come from either alignment, so I'm going to disregard that or any possible meta (my only exp with ritoky is two scum games, I've never had a town game with ritoky)

It's a shit associative read - but

It appears he's townreading VE and recognising a town and who to sheep is a town trait (yeh I realise you can sheep as mafia for shite reasons too but,....)

second, from his first post, he's not townreading Palmar. neither is/was VE, hence the connection. additionally Palmar's wanting to policy lynch over Trfel for what purpose I don't know.

like I said it might be a shitty heuristic, obviously if Palmar flips town then I have to re-evaluate.
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