EPTI don't really mind one way or the other, (pyp games are weird
) but if people can't get in because we need 1 more I'll definitely play.Pick Your Power: Intriguing
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I don't really mind one way or the other, (pyp games are weird ) but if people can't get in because we need 1 more I'll definitely play. | ||
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On January 18 2016 09:19 GreYMisT wrote: We would prefer to have 2 more beyond you to have 22-23 players. Half the sky reviewed some balance stuff with me and we think that number is the fairest beyond 17 yeah that's fine. just wanted to let you know in case we were literally benching 2-3 people because we couldn't find a single player more. I want obs qt, not replacement pls. | ||
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On January 19 2016 06:52 CopCake wrote: /OUT Take mine VE you stay in lol. The only real reason I'm playing is that I read some post about some people having to sit out because greymist needed 1 more to make the balance work if stuck them in. So I figured "if I just join, 2-3 more people can play, that's nice!". My feelings about playing this game are essentially ![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e1/e162134d7f668b0b7ed0897c3dac3f7102089382e8a7112f7d801d9656528c6a.jpg) So yeah  | ||
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PYP games are by design stupidly townsided. All it takes is people organizing well and controlling the picks. However they always are made more difficult by stupid lone rangers whose ego gets in the way of them playing correctly. Still, mafia should not win these games if we actually try. I don't really care though. I'm only going to try if people actually want to try with me. | ||
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On January 19 2016 19:58 Onegu wrote: Well since I carried you in Outlaw I think you would want to be my friend. you're chronic afk so you don't get to be friend. | ||
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@Onegu, submit some other combination of numbers or we will shoot you 100%. You are around, you literally just posted, despite talking about not being around because of some surgery. | ||
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On January 19 2016 21:06 Sukrit wrote: Seriously fuck you palmar, I will take a pic for you, I'll even hold up the number of fingers of the number I am picking. what is this? | ||
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That means organizing is going to be a lot harder. | ||
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On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote: I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them. there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps | ||
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On January 19 2016 21:18 Onegu wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/K9hCYSj.jpg) Man this pic is doing work while I wait for the doctor. nice fake IV | ||
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I'm going 10,10 because I'm 10/10 | ||
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On January 20 2016 00:55 Vivax wrote: Picking 1 1, obviously a lie. Obviously the truth. Pretty much sums up why this shitty number claiming strat won't do jack. Vivax is mafia. Not simply because he refuses to cooperate but because he refuses to cooperate AND that is everything he brings to the table. | ||
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On January 20 2016 02:47 Damdred wrote: Its half and half for SL dumbtells are a thing though. Kei Rels Suoer Geript Koshi SL tt to a lesser extent are my town pool currently the rest haven't caused me to remember them This is both a good list I agree with everything except maybe Tt | ||
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On January 20 2016 03:42 kitaman27 wrote: What was the point here, considering 7 hours passed and nothing came of it? well I did get sicklucker. I was hoping to do a back and forth a bit, throw around some reads etc, but turns out I was more interested in mechanics and had less time than I thought I'd have. | ||
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It's not a strong read by all means, but I don't really need strong reads for now. | ||
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On January 20 2016 04:59 Rels wrote: I don't know about that, when I've played scum with SL he was like super clever about mechanics and how to handle blues / fakeclaims. Another example is the thing he's getting nominated at best play for. I think SL being doubtful about mechanics is a town tell. that was my idea jesus. Getting sl to shoot me that is. | ||
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On January 20 2016 05:30 sicklucker wrote: it acualy was both are idea if i recall cringe. like i brought it asking you about it up and you said "absolutely" I'm taking all the credit. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:20 kitaman27 wrote: Since this seems to happen every game, making a post game bet with myself that at least two scum buddies picked the same number to try to throw us off :D this always happens | ||
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Do you have anything to back that up because I really cba playing around dumb suspicions this game. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:15 sicklucker wrote: 1. Keirathi 1 2. Superbia 2 3. ObiWanShinobi 5 4. Rels 7 5. Palmar 10 6. geript 17? 7. Breshke20 Everyone else overlapped lol and i got last somehow... 8. Koshi 9. Cephiro 10. kitaman27 11. Vivax 12. Tictock 13. disformation 14. Fecalfeast 15. Damdred 16. AlotSomuch 17. VayneAuthority 18. The Shining 19. Onegu 20. Sicklucker 21. Copcake 22. GlowingBear The following players need to be assigned roles due to alignment: ceph vivax disfo fecal alot vayne shining glowingbear | ||
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I think I should trust rels too, but it's less strong. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:29 Cephiro wrote: Also while I appreciate your concern palmar, I can assign my role for myself just fine. No you don't get it. I am killing people who don't co-operate, because that's how you win pyp games. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:30 Superbia wrote: Just a feeling based on expectations. We'll see how it ends up. yeah please don't apply some dumb expectations to me, I play in huge amount of variety of ways all the way from completely inactive to super active, from trolling to serious. I can be meta read, but only by looking at why and how I'm doing the things I'm doing, not what I am doing. This game I'm trying to organize town I think. That feels like a thing I want to do now. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:33 sicklucker wrote: tbh i expected rels to overlap 3,4,6,8,9 did why not 7? it shows a sign of some coordination but its thin yeah but tbh there's two mafia teams so it's sort of weak. I need to read him more. Also @everyone does anyone particularly feel like being a "check"? IE: a check is a person who picks a random role from a list assigned to people above him OR we assign the check to pick a random mafia favored role to make sure someone else doesn't have it. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:35 Breshke wrote: Palmar im not sure if GB should be on your list. I feel like its very possible he didn't submit a number or when he did whoever he overlapped with hadn't claimed yet based on when he was active. Don't really care. He's completely afk which means he probably should be shot. | ||
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so please don't be dicks with what you're picking. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:40 Cephiro wrote: I will be going for a mysterious challenger role. which one? | ||
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The thing is, some roles are mostly harmless in the hands of mafia (for example gambler, dreamflower, house) and others we definitely want in trusted town hands (link, cpr doc, arrow) | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:45 Cephiro wrote: I was thinking of blocking Kenpachi, Blazinghand, Pick Your Power Picker, leaving me one of... Mirror Man, Cyrus, Windrunner, Shovel Knight Whatever I'll get is whatever I'll get. correct me if I'm wrong, but don't people roll mysterious challenger roles if they get vanilla townied (ie: pick a role that's already been picked) if that's the case, do you mind picking a random role that should have been picked before you on our list, and thus be pushed to mysterious challenger? | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:48 disformation wrote: You can also choose to be a mysterious challenger and then remove up to 3 roles from the mysterious challenger pool. well I don't really care if ceph doesn't get to block 3 roles so /shrug | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:51 kitaman27 wrote: The second statement is obviously true, so why would we waste a decent role to check that a garbage role wasn't chosen? Having a town janitor that verifies that the mafia didn't grab janitor is far less useful than another town doc or something. the latter is more for people very low on the list. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:53 Superbia wrote: He's in my lean town list. Though tbh he's only there bc of activity + my town has called him town. Needs some looking into. I just read his filter and I don't like it. I want to force him into a role. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:52 Cephiro wrote: Pretty much. I figured since I'm aiming for a partially random role it's fairly likely I'll get it anyway, and I remembered just a bit before deadline that I might as well knock someone down a bit while still keeping myself at a fairly high pick. Just checked a few filters I hadn't been too fond of hastily and decided to bump him a bit. Intentionally took 3,2 instead of 3,1 so he'd get the pick before me in case people were gonna make a fuss about it. I mean more than one third of the game is mafia, so I figured it's not too unlikely I'll hit one even if I haven't been paying the most attention to the thread so far. I'm really sceptical about the overall thread presence and people trying to lead, and until someone shows extremely surefire signs of being the clearest of clear town, I'm not very eager to co-operate. Not really keen on giving scum any control over my actions, in the worst case. ok this guy is mafia. | ||
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On January 20 2016 09:54 kitaman27 wrote: Low row can still pick up a bunch of decent roles. Plus just draft the kitaman27 role if you need a check. It tells you who took it. :/ had no idea that existed. Let's do that at some point then. It's a very good low role if we start suspecting some shitty mafia role is in the game. | ||
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It's like if someone smashes his face into a door while drunk and then writes a ph.d. essay on it. | ||
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1. Keirathi - Trust level quite low: Force to pick gambler or dreamflower 2. Superbia - Trust level high. Should probably pick Link 3. ObiWanShinobi - Trust level moderate. I'd be okay with any investigative role here 4. Rels - Trust level moderate, investigative or KP role is good 5. Palmar - Trust level highest. I'll either pick CPR doc or arrow 6. geript - Trust level fairly high. I want him on an investigative role I think 7. Breshke - Trust level quite low. Force to pick protective 8. Koshi - Crazy, can't deal with him probably 9. Cephiro - Scum. Force into a completely neutered scumrole pls (like pure investigative or df/gambler) 10. kitaman27 - Trust level low to moderate. Good for a protective role 11. Vivax - Scum (force to pick dreamflower or gambler?) 12. Tictock - idk 13. disformation - low trust 14. Fecalfeast - low trust 15. Damdred - moderate trust, but not too much. 16. AlotSomuch - low trust 17. VayneAuthority - low trust 18. The Shining - low trust 19. Onegu - dumbass, can't deal with him 20. Sicklucker - Trust level high. either use him as a check, or get him kita, or get him a good role by forcing it to drop 21. Copcake - Whatever, preferably we try to force her into a role 22. GlowingBear - Whatever, preferably we try to force him into a role the bunch of people with low trust in the bottom half on the list should probably try to grab PROTECTIVE or INVESTIGATIVE roles. I will revise my list of people I trust later on in the game, but I will not accept any excuse for people picking KP roles unless they're on my trusted list. Current people I'd trust with KP are: Superbia Me geript sicklucker I need 2-3 more names on this list. How to get onto the list? there's two options 1. Post well and play well so I townread you. 2. Someone else (a third party) makes a good argument for you being town. If anyone has a problem with anyone on my trust list, then let me know. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:02 Cephiro wrote: I agree, I'm not. But based on your understanding of my post, I'm not so sure about you. Which part of my post where I said I intentionally did it, did you not read? Why should I suddenly start following Palmar who hasn't done much to make me believe he's town, and let him take full control over what everyone should do? Screw that. Because you just should. Like you absolutely should 100% follow me if you're town, and your best bet at not being killed early this game is to do as you're told. You have no pull in the thread and you've barely read the game (by your own admittance). So please, don't be a fucking cowboy, fall in line. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:13 Cephiro wrote: Also Palmar's list is complete bullshit, trusts geript with KP when geript has barely shown himself in thread and not done anything noteworthy? Whatever you do, don't let this guy take the lead over what town should be doing or we're completely fucked. I'm going to make it my mission to antagonize you from now on, Palmar. Actively undermines people trying to organize town while offering no alternative at organization himself. Noted. Do you think I'm mafia? | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:13 Onegu wrote: What the hell is your problem with me? Seems fake to me since we just rolled mafia together and you had no problems with me then I like you as a person. In mafia games you're extremely difficult to deal with because you don't really try that hard as either alignment. This means that figuring out your alignment is relatively difficult. I have no problem with you other than that I don't expect to ever be really sure what your alignment is. This means I don't intend to trust you. If you get a strong role, I have to kill you, because you have a strong role. It's better for me if you get a weak role. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:15 Cephiro wrote: Like you have tictock as "idk", when he did an intentional snipe and hasn't explained himself, when you have vivax listed as scum for similar reasons (hasn't explained either), and then me, who is being here completely see-through, is scum because I don't agree with your bullshit? Says more than enough about your approach to this game. again, am I mafia? | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:17 Cephiro wrote: I'm not about undermining someone trying to organize stuff if they clearly show they're town-oriented, but you sure as hell are not showing any of that right now. Why should I try and organize something myself when it's clear by now people wouldn't follow me? Waste of time. Not everyone needs to be a town leader, but I'm gonna make sure the person taking that position isn't going to be scum. I'm _this_ close to just pretending you don't exist. No one else is trying to get shit done. even if you don't agree with my reads that should never make me scum in your eyes. This complete and utter fucking bullshit of "you're maybe mafia" is just making me want to murder you more. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote: Sup, I'm home from school. Good to see I got first pick. I"m going to pick one of Link, CPR Doc, Moriarty, or Nigella. Catching up now. I'm afraid I can't allow that keirathi. But I'm willing to discuss something less drastic than what I suggested for you. | ||
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"I don't trust you enough to have you possibly misleading town around with the inconsistencies you've already shown in your own play which I pointed out." this is one of the slimiest fucking sentences I've ever read. Because I don't want to antagonize you as a person I'm ignoring you from now on. I suggest you stick with the plan. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:20 Keirathi wrote: I'm going to pick what I want to pick whatever you say, so lol. I'm either going to pick a super good town role, or deny a super good mafia role. End of story. wait... why wouldn't you want to work as a team? | ||
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I'm genuinely trying to good shit here. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:26 Cephiro wrote: If you ignore me, that just proves my point. If you want to prove everyone else and me that you're town, then start showing it. As I pointed out, explain the inconsistency in your reaction towards me/Vivax/TicTock? How come I'm clearly mafia to you, while being the most see-through out of the three about my actions, when you have TicTock listed as idk when he was clearly trying to misguide others of what he was picking? What's with the KP trust on geript out of nowhere? Especially when you say you want him on an investigative role yourself. Like there's so much stuff you're not explaining at all which doesn't make any sense for someone trying to assume a position like you're doing right now. If you want to be a town leader, you're gonna have to be a lot more transparent about that if you want to have a shot at it. You and Vivax both acted like cowboys during the numbers phase. Ticktock at least tonally sounded like there was a possibility he is town (he seemed happy about finding some townreads, although it's pretty weak which is why I don't have much trust in him). Geript sounded like a town when he was here. It's not super strong, but tonally it felt very good (his point about onegu trolling in the wrong way). It was the sort of observation I'd expect a town geript to make. and yeah, the investigative thing is just because I don't quite trust him as much as the other three in my townlist. Also I think the role you want to pick is fucking scummy And I just think you're mafia. Sorry, it's a waste of time for me to argue with one guy. Even if you're town you're just wasting my time with this argument. Please try to figure out my alignment on your own without talking to me too much. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:25 Keirathi wrote: I didn't say I wouldn't work as a team. But I specifically joined a PYP game and rolled 1,1 because I wanted to pick what role I wanted to pick, not for someone else to pick my role for me. So...sorry, not sorry. I'm perfectly capable of playing without being babysat. If you pick CPR doc, I will lynch you. that's simple as that. So, make a case as to what role you should get to pick, and I'll consider it. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:32 sicklucker wrote: Like im not even sure palmars town. But im being fucking nice to him because I want him to organize shit so we have the maximum information Best attitude "fuck it, hitler is better than no one". | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:29 Keirathi wrote: I don't think you're bad at organizing shit, and at this point I don't have any reason to think you're mafia. But I'm still not picking dreamflower ever because I'm not stupid enough to think I can hit mafia every night, and gambler is awful and I'm certianly not picking that. I've literally claimed I was picking 1,1 since the first post of the game. You agreed with damdred's list that had me as his highest town read. If you didn't agree, you should have picked a 1, /shrug. yes, that was before I re-read your filter and found it to be less useful than I had thought from just seeing your posts in the thread. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:51 Fecalfeast wrote: can you at least assign me something cool? that entirely depends on your contributions today! I'll make the final request list tomorrow. | ||
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On January 20 2016 10:57 Keirathi wrote: You've tried lynching me before. Haven't succeeded yet. I'm up for a challenge. TBH this is the kind of thing that makes me WANT to pick CPR Doc. The fact that you want it so much makes me want to deny it from you even more because I know 100% that I'm town. But I already said I'm picking one of Moriarty, CPR, or Link. Add in House too, I forgot about that one. I don't want cpr too much, suggest someone else and I might be okay with it. I just don't want you to have it. I think I'm okay with you taking moriarty or link. If you take link you'll obviously be using the big thing on n2. I will lynch you if you take a KP role other than dreamflower. If you want to shoot people you better be fucking accountable. | ||
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On January 20 2016 11:36 kitaman27 wrote: Right now the only people that I'd say warrant assigned picks are Vivax, AlotSomuch and mayyybe The Shining. Vivax seems mafia because he shows up with this post to complain about the number claiming, but doesn't suggest a better strategy or show interest in planning things out. AlotSomuch had a really weak intro post. Something about trying to take notes, but not having any reads. Then the way he mentions VA's supsicions of him seem....awkward? Seems fine with being assigned too. The Shining also a mafia lean for similar reasons to Alot. A few posts on numbers and then accepting a role assignment with little sign of interest of abusing the setup or anything. Gambler, Doctor, and kitaman27 would probably be my three preferences for the assigned roles. Mostly beneficial for town and not a ton of use for mafia. Another thing with the kita role is that if one of the doctor trio slips through, we could use it to make sure all three are in the game and then use a wall of protects/watchers/trackers to make sure they are able to pull of their checks. This is a terrible post because the three names he mentions are basically drawn out of a fucking hat. There's a ton of people I have no faith Kita has strong opinions on simply because they haven't been around. | ||
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That might mean I need to sleep because I'm calling everyone mafia. There's something about Keir that I just absolutely hate. Maybe we get him to pick moriarty, that'd be fine with me I think as it's somewhat useless as mafia. | ||
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On January 20 2016 22:39 Vivax wrote: Rels is probably the towniest fucker in here right now. Palmar pretends to care but all he wants is just to skate by as the mafia eminence and let others do the work for him, while trying to lynch me. He is also a real sucker for kita's argument against me which was an argument a player like kita wouldn't bring as town, since I assume he knows me well enough. And on top of it the argument was bad, I don't even know what kita's argument is against you man. There is a very clear reason in my own filter why I think you're mafia. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:04 Koshi wrote: Just to be clear. which role can I pick? which role can't I pick? Or can I just do w.e? I'll sit down later tonight and figure it out. | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:08 Rels wrote: Why did you force the "capslock episode" forced ? he's not wrong you were a little bit overexcited. But then again, maybe you simply were really excited | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:15 kitaman27 wrote: It's a tracker who can also do investigative checks or protects while tracking. It's a very strong town role. If I frame, I simply tell everyone that I'm framing and they reverse their results. Well you wouldn't frame, ever, would you anyway? | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:22 Rels wrote: Wait you townread me because I was excited, but now you're saying that disfo is right saying I was overexcited. Explain ? You were super excited and I decided to give you a townread for it. That doesn't mean I'd blame anyone who might think that high amount of excitement might be fake. The point is, I don't think disformation is being scummy with that conclusion. I can understnad why he'd make it. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:17 Vivax wrote: What should I bring to the table besides that the claiming plan was stupid? In that phase there's literally nothing interesting besides people arguing about the picks. I love these type of arguments where someone is mafia cause he did something that in his opinion was more than sufficient at that stage, and then you sayy they're mafia cause they didn't bring anything else without going into specifics. People arguing about picks can be very enlightening, and you're not exactly the type of person who shies away from giving early reads, at least not in my mind. Your second sentence is actually kind of scummy. Are you saying I'm scummy for making an argument like this? Do you think I'm unjustified in thinking you should bring something more to the table than "all discussion is pointless, let's just not talk about anything"?? what's going on? | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:57 Keirathi wrote: If superbia is taking cpr doc, then I'm going to random between one of Moriarty, Link, and House. No, you're going to tell us which one you take. | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:58 Palmar wrote: No, you're going to tell us which one you take. Like I want everyone to understand how terrible it'd be for town if he doesn't tell us because that means townies will be guessing and risking not getting the thing. Keirathi is 100% mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2016 02:24 Keirathi wrote: Holy shitballs get your panties out of a wad. I didn't say I wasn't going to say what role I was taking, I just said I would random between them. well I have lost all faith in you and I don't believe you. You're a smart guy, it doesn't take you fucking ages to figure out how to random between 3 things. So why did you even make that post? You could've simply randomed and given us the results. You're bullshitting. I don't care what you pick now tbh, I am lynching you. | ||
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Palmar's Grand Plan How to win a game of PYP Chapter 1: Expectations It's a very common theme in PYP games that you have a small faction of people who want to try to break the game. These people are in general very, very likely to be town. There is a massive advantage in playing organized town in PYP, because you can limit mafia's options to do things by controlling the pick order and the roles actually picked. Almost exclusively mafia will trey to disrupt this process, not because they're dumb and think people won't notice, but because there is an inherent reflex when you play mafia to start arguing for no real reason. You want to appear confident and perhaps even slightly controversial. Mafia will disrupt my plans, not because they think that's good for their team, although of course it is, but mostly because they think "that's what a good townie would do". When in reality I'd actually expect most townies to sort of mind their own business or sheep when someone like me attempts to take charge. Another important thing to notice is that mafia is extremely likely to have low post count during the picking and planning phase because it's relatively hard to fake interest in that. Mafia is much more strategizing their own picks instead of actually playing to win the game. Remember this in later days. It's not a global truth, but use it as a little piece of the puzzle. Chapter 2: The Picks list Keirathi: I have strong suspicion he is mafia. I do not believe he is posting posts because he wants some information out there, he's just posting to post. I think there is very little information in his filter. I do not believe his post about randoming between 3 roles is genuine and I don't believe his response to my accusation is good. I also don't believe his excuse that "I'm playing a PYP game so I'll pick whatever I please" to not follow along with town plans is any good. In fact, he could have taken the much better route of "hey Palmar, I'll follow along, but I'd really liek to play one of these, is that ok?". No he's forcing confrontation and being a stubborn asshole. If he wants to play along, I want him to take the Gambler. In any case, he is going to have a strong role and should be an early lynch target. Superbia: His enthusiasm in the early game, along with his willingness to randomly attack me and then flip that read when I started playing more makes him relatively likely to be town. I think it's important that he controls a strong role that I don't trust other people with. I will suggest that Superbia takes the CPR Doc. OWS: I haven't had a chance to review his filter. I don't think he stood as being super scummy, but meh. I think he's a good candidate to take House Rels: I feel better about him almost solely on interest. He also thought he broke the game and while it's possible that he faked it, the simple solution, along with his realtive activity makes it more likely he's town. Due to the fact that Rels is a good player, I want him to take Captain Malcolm Palmar: In my frenzy to think about other people's roles, I basically never figured out what I wanted to play myself. I actually wanted a veteran role because I suppose I'll be a fairly popular target, but looks like there's no straight up pure veteran with no downsides. So I guess I'll just take a strong role I don't want in the hands of mafia, also the list is something that helps very much with my style of scumhunting. I am taking Arrow geript: My townread has weakened somewhat but you know... I don't really care. I'm going to trust my early instincts on him so I'm giving him a fairly strong role. Link Please make sure you use the roleblock everything on n2 geript. Breshke: Haven't rechecked his filter. I want him as some kind of a information role with little upside for mafia. Sherlock Holmes Koshi: I didn't think he sounded like mafia at the beginning of the game, but this act of not caring about the game has gone on for too long now. That being said, he's a crazy person so who knows. Koshi gets a free for all. He can pick whatever role above him that has already been picked to prove it doesn't exist. He is also free to use his own judgement to pick a good role, but if he does that he must claim it. Cephiro: Scum, for reasons stated earlier. I'm giving him a chance to redeem himself though. Dreamflower. That way you'll never get lynched. The reason I'm giving him (vs other possible mafia) this chance of redemption is that the guy has at least been willing to respond and engage (unlike for example vivax). This makes it more likely I'm wrong on him, althouhg everything he has said sounded like mafia. Kitaman27: There is a slight inconsistency in his early analytical post on the roles and his lack of interest in organizing town after that. This may point towards him being mafia. However, he's also a smart good player, so he's basically getting a free for all like koshi. Like Koshi, neither of them are allowed to take a mafia role to deny mafia the role. Vivax: Scum, and has shown no interest in working with town. If he wants to work with town he will pick the Jailkeeper. that's about the only role I trust him with. Also it's ironic since he fakeclaimed one in the last game. Ticktock: I haven't reviewed his filter. I would like for him to pick an investigative role, preferably Moriarty Disformation: Another filter I haven't reviewed. I remember thinking something might possibly be off about him. I want him to pick the Doctor Fecalfeast: Not a strong read in any way, but I actually liked his posting better than a lot of the other people that have been relatively inactive. I want him to take Dr Watson. Damdred: Free for all as long as it's not a mafia role. Damdy is smart and analytical but he has been thoroughly underwhelming this game. I only want him taking protective and investigative roles. If I find out he has a KP role I'm lynching him. AlotsoMuch: No idea, and I know him less than everyone else in the game. I would love for him to take Kitaman27 because it's purely an information role and has no upside for mafia. VayneAuthority: Another filter I haven't looked through. He's always lynchbait though so. I think it'd be fine to give him Ayla because it's not too strong a disrupting role and if he turns out to be town he's likely to live for a while so the utility of the role might fit him well. Shining: I actually kinda lean town on shining after his exchanges today. Mostly a tone read though so don't put too much faith in it. I am going to give him Time travelling vigilante as long as he agrees to shoot with town sentiment. Onegu: Perpetually unreadable player who mafia will never shoot if he's town, but I have a solution to that. Onegu will be picking City Councilman and we will be holding elections on day 1. Obviously I will be chosen mayor and voila, Onegu is now useful! Sicklucker: Our secret weapon. COMPLETE AND UTTER FFA. Sicklucker is allowed to pick any role, including very mafia favored roles if he feels like it to check if they're in the game and to check if people above him followed the plan. He is also allowed to grab a KP role if he feels like it. A good suggestion for a role for him is the knight artorias thing which is a very strong mafia role. copcake: Didn't sound to bad, but I haven't reviewed her filter. If copcake feels like it I'd be okay with her taking Ezio to strip random mafia of their power if she figures out their alignment. Also good to know if Ezio got taken. Glowingbear I don't believe he forgets about games so I think he's mafia. If he wants to play nice then Flowey is a sweet and simple role that can't be abused oto much Chapter 3: Words of warning There is no way everyone is going along with this list. I have tried to include some free for alls and checks to people can be held accountable, but that doesn't really change that there's always going to be lone assholes who care more about their own butt than trying to win the game. If the roles that I laid out in this post are the ones that exist in the game, town is clearly in a good position with a lot of protective and investigative roles instead of a bunch of KP to murder us all. Also, my reads are based on a realtively inactive "day 0" where we weren't even trying to lynch people. It's completely possible that I'm wrong and bad all over the place. I will of course revise my reads throughout the game. I am open to suggestions and changes to the list. If you have been assigned a role you do not want, please don't make a big deal out of it. Even if people are town and I give them a weaker role due to mistrust, it's not because I'm an asshole, it's because I'm not perfect at reading people. Just accept it and move on. The plan does give town a good chance of winning the game due to the nature of roles that it introduces to the game. I generally gave veteran players more freedom because their actions are easier to analyze. Sorry to the people I know less well and thus was more strict. Maybe next PYP Please, if you even think for a second that I might be town, consider following the guidance laid out in this post. Good luck. | ||
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a) Actually calling me mafia or b) providing an alternative that's useful himself. And if you're so sure everything I'm doing is dumb and you're awesome ceph, just pick the goddamn role I assigned to you and go be awesome! | ||
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They're just being assholes for the sake of being assholes. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote: There are a shitton great mafia roles that Palmar "forgot" to mention. I don't understand how mafia will not pick them. This is what the "check/ffa" players are for. If you think someone above you is likely to be mafia, then you pick the role assigned to him. If you actually get the role, then you know whoever was assigned to pick it didn't follow through on his pick. This is where you yell. "wtf did you pick bro, cause I picked your role and got it... what are you hiding??". | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:19 VayneAuthority wrote: well yea obviously you get autolynched if you pick something like janitor. But narukimi is very useful as a town role too, just especially powerful as scum. I would take it but I doubt a mafia before me doesnt take it. See, if I townread you (like I do sicklucker) I'd be okay with you taking it. But because I don't, I don't want you to take it. Shining could take it too imo. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:20 Koshi wrote: But you didn't assign the pro mafia roles at all... Or did you tell all people at the bottom to pick pro mafia roles? I didn't read them tbh. no, that's the point. if you think for example rels is mafia, you pick captain malcolm. if you actually GET captain malcolm, you KNOW rels didn't pick it, and thus he must have picked something else. It's irrelevant what he picked really, the important part is he refused to take a strong town role for some reason. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:21 Koshi wrote: maybe. Problem is town might protect mafia and mafia only protects mafia. even that's okay for us. As town, we want the game to go as long as possible. Town controls the lynches, mafia controls the NKs. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:22 Koshi wrote: ah now I understand. But what about the mafias that are at the bottom? Sicklucker is our last line of defense. if copcake/gb are mafia we're just gonna have to figure it out the old fashioned way. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote: It doesn't really matter tbh. imo it is better to let people take pro mafia roles and then if they end up they are vanilla and should look for the people who took the role. Taking the good town roles due to paranoia just leads townies being vanilla and no real way to figure out who actually took the pro mafia role. If people follow my list it's easy as fuck to figure out who took pro mafia roles. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:23 Cephiro wrote: 1) Why are you wanting to give someone you suspect a veteran status? 2) Explain why you're not locking one of your scumreads into the City Councilman, and instead assigning it to a player who you don't have pegged as either way, and you talk coming from the perspective "at least this way if he's town he'll get killed"? 3) Doctor role to someone you're not sure of? 4) No counterpicks for roles like Hero or PSY? Address the above please. It's not that hard. Because I'm nice: 1) because almost every town kill is going to be a lynch. I'm giving him an investigative role to use wisely... hopefully. 2) This is a decent point, but Onegu is actually likely to be mafia. I want him to take this role because he is one of the most unreadable player in the game. 3) Doctor is a relatively weak almost only pro-town role. Notice flowey (if I understood it) is also a doctor-like role and so is the JK, I gave all of those to possible mafia because better they have protections than kp. The point is, I want to lynch a lot of mafia. 4) I think town is better off without those roles in the game. We have ffa/check players, the kitaman role, and Ezeio to deal with mafia taking strong mafia roles. IF people follow my plan, it will be easy to spot the mafia who took a strong mafia role. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote: If you townread me I would instantly call you mafia as the game hasn't even started yet. Noted that I should yell in caps more and be extremely passive aggressive to get townread by you though Mostly just be active tbh My current reads are the best I can do with the information I have. I might be fucking wrong on everything, but at least I'm trying. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:29 Cephiro wrote: Also Palmar, if I just straight up call you scum nonstop, what do you think will happen? I'll tell you what. You will refuse to address me even more than you already do, with the excuse of "Lol ceph thinks I'm scum so he is confirmed mafia". So suck it up and start proving you're town. I won't mind drafting KP to kill you otherwise. I don't know how to deal with this. I really, really want you to be mafia because I don't want there to be a world where someone acts like this and is town. I'm getting mad. Back to ignore. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:35 Cephiro wrote: Alright, I admit I like your stance/approach to killing mafia players via lynching. I suppose vet/doc roles on mafia isn't going to help them much (except from crossfire from other mafia) if the town hasn't drafted much KP either. And I suppose if I go for dreamflower it sort of works in favour of that as well, given that if my shot doesn't go off and I live, we can be certain that a protective role is in mafia hands. I guess I could really go for dreamflower, the only downside I can see is if I play badly it's less scum dead, +1 townie dead and I won't be around to help town lategame. Would prefer a less gambly-role but I guess I might have to just nail scum on D1 then. Still thinking about whether to go for it or not. If I don't, what other role would you prefer for me to take? None, but I promise I'll do my best to help you shoot mafia. I think, by now, you taking dreamflower is the only way we can be friends again. And I'd actually like to be friends. It will make it pleasant to work with you because I know your own life is on the hook. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:53 Cephiro wrote: If I take dreamflower, if you want to have any control over my shot, I want to add a fail-safe for you as well. Basically, if you point me towards a townie you agree to get shot/lynched in return. (I believe if we two co-operate and you're truly town as well, we should easily be hitting mafia so this should not be an issue for you.) So will you prefer for me to take the shots deciding them by myself completely, or be willing to shoot a target of your choice with your life on the line as well? Fine | ||
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The reason is quite simple. If we assign everyone roles, mafia can just freely pick a role that wasn't assigned to them. The entire point of having ffa/check players is for them to take roles that SHOULD have been taken before them to PROVE the players before them actually took the roles they were meant to take. It's a failsafe. If we have no failssafes, mafia can just pick whatever the fuck they want. Essentially, my plan is pointless. I basically can't be arsed arguing this, I am out of energy trying to get people to be not stupid. Kita is very likely mafia because he's not dumb enough to think his version is an actual improvement. | ||
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Also kita is mafia because I said so ))))))))))) | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Unless mafia is already given roles that are really good, in which case they have no reason to hide/mess around with roles anyway because duh. How on earth did Damdred get Nigella? I didn't give it to him, he just decided not to follow my plan and everyone is fine with it. So I'm done arguing for it. He should be picking a role that has already been picked to confirm it's existence. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:09 Superbia wrote: Why are we giving shining a KP role..? Because I trust him more than other people. He'll shoot whoever I tell him to. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:11 Superbia wrote: Really? I have no real read on him. Don't recall anything from him. But if he listens then he listens I suppose. He had a thing with someone, sicklucker I think it was, today, and he sort of maybe sounded townie. Like it's not like reads based on numberpicking and such are super strong, but I'll work with what I've got. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Okay, then we aren't arguing about it anymore because I'm stealing it. So now it's mine. I'm almost fine with that. I'd rather it didn't get picked but whatever. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:12 The Shining wrote: Why not? I'm town whether ppl think so or not and my shot can always be directed. Me not wanting to cooperate and shooting who I want for whatever reason can be considered a scumclaim if you'd like There you go | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:12 Superbia wrote: Copcake/GB/???-pickers if you're around, pick the role your scummiest role is claiming to pick. This is what all the checkers/ffa people should be thinking about doing. But apparently being a cowboy is more important than winning so fuck it | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:14 Superbia wrote: I'll go with your read on TS for now Plammar. Can you give me the reason why you were townreading me before the flip situation btw? activity and attitude mostly. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:16 Keirathi wrote: Do you think I'm an awful player? Do I know how to read the game, make arguments, use roles effectively, etc? If yes, then why not let me take what I want to take when all of the roles I picked are STRICTLY PRO-TOWN ROLES. I want to win the game. I can be more useful to winning the game by picking House than picking Gambler which I have no interest in playing. So yea, rage if you want to, but I'm not going to feel bad for being arrogant enough to think that I'm good at the game and wanting to play a fun role instead of a bullshit boring one just because you told me to. One of us is doing what he wants. The other has a comprehensive plan for everyone in town to follow. Both are asking each other to just trust. Why should it be me that has to trust you? I'd be fine if someone else had bothered to do the work I've done. But I'm the only one that did it, so I think that should give me additional control. I am going to lynch you because you're mafia. | ||
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Kitaman Cephiro Keirathi Vivax Glowingbear Then there's some meh people that might be mafia too: Onegu disformation ticktock Alotsomuch That's 9 people, there's probably some mafia in there. wow such reads. | ||
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Keirathi just falsely claimed that he had selected strictly pro town roles to be a cowboy with. hurr durr. | ||
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mehhhh why do I even bother. | ||
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It's just "I'm not gonna work with you palmar because I'm fucking cowboy" | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:30 Keirathi wrote: Obviously I was talking about after I decided to let Superbia pick CPR. For the last ~12 hours I've been saying I was going to take one of Link, House, or Moriarty. Its gonna suck having to lynch house | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:39 Damdred wrote: I 100% am using whatever negative ability I get on obi no matter what now and the only way to stop me is to lynch me d1. I allowed myself to be dicked around by ff because it was the date I got married on, but I won't be dicked around because I'm not able to be here when I am legit one of the stronger town players I. The game and these fear reads on me are pathetic I gave you a pretty good role with all the information I had available. You're a good player You have been inactive and thus unable to establish yourself as town you're good enough to be responsible for your actions. You can think independently So I figured you'd be an excellent "check" player. Understanding your own limitations to make a town impression on town leaders such as myself, you have the opportunity to "check" someone who you think is mafia, and get a MC role if that player actually picked according to my plan. You also don't need a role to be impactful in the game, which is another good reason for you to follow my plan. If you're town, mafia is forced to shoot between a good role (someone else) and a good analyst (you). But I guess my plan is going byebye because town is full of cowboys hurr durr. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: Who here thinks these three statements could possibly follow a logical sequence from a town Palmar? It's impossible. wow, going for broke are we! exciting. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote: I think it makes sense from a town perspective to have some people check-pick near end of the list. Assuming they're not all aligned (decent assumption), it puts some pressure on mafia to pick what they're told and not pick some super scummy role. nonono clearly I evil mastermind who created a massive plan just to take roles awayh from some random players with the side effect of probably negating all mafia roles. such smart wow | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:48 Damdred wrote: No I had my role in first and I got downgraded because of *low activity* fear reads and the like. Ehich is ironic considering how obi generally plays. Tge great rng I suppose will decide what I have and town will just have to deal thank you, I am glad I put effort into this game and this is the thanks I get | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: (If damdred doesn't actually switch I guess I'll pick doctor. It sucks that I got so high up on the list and got shafted anyways but I'd rather this nonsense work out properly instead of having grudge matches across the board.) pick whatever you like, including mafia favored roles, if you want. | ||
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you can also double check if you have a scumread above you, but your call. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If the damdred/ff/me trio goes Nigella/Gambler or Yu/Moriarty, would that be a better combo than Doctor/Moriarty/Nigella? I have no idea, I didn't want yo and gambler in the game because they have so much variation and utility that they're harder to control. | ||
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gambler is good in the gmae. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:52 kitaman27 wrote: Pick 8, 10, and 15 should not be thrown away simply to verify that a player picked their roles. I suggested they be replaced by three very powerful roles that include watching abilities, parity cop, tracking, and protection. Then Palmar calls me mafia for "undermining his plan". It's so illogical that it's ridiculous. LOOK AT ME IM A ROCKET MAN GOING INTO SPACE | ||
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Thankfully the planning phase is now over. This is a note to future Palmar so I can quote it in other games. Dear Palmar. Never, ever, again try to organize and plan TL Mafia towns. It will cause you unbearable pain and you will gain very little from it. So now, all I have to do is post who I think is mafia and who isn't. | ||
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Some times he sounds a bit fake tonally, but he did pick a sweet role for town, and he is actually putting in management work through getting the role list nailed down so meh. I liked his "trust issues" comment on me, and I didn't mind his early townread on TT. Then he had some tonally weird things like the lemon-tree comment about TT in his list, which unless that's some kind of an inside joke, it feels like a very weird thing to call people. I think the conclusion is I have no real interest in lynching him today. I want more hard reads from him though. If his filter had a few decently constructed reads in it I'd feel a lot more comfortable. I think he'd be a pretty good check. Also his reaction to the scumreads was maybe a bit over the top. Not sure if it's genuine to care so much about a few shitty "maybe scum" reads. Unless he thinks he has played townie enough to warrant a universal townread or something. | ||
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On January 21 2016 18:14 Koshi wrote: But I have no scumreads except for Cephiro. Kita is the hard one Vivax is the easy one | ||
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On January 21 2016 19:11 geript wrote: I really dislike the fact that I like Palmar's push. Maybe he's just wrong on Kita/Keir and the plan thing is just useless side stuff. Hi geript | ||
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I don't want to do Onegu at all because I usually don't enjoy reading his filters. Alot, maybe later. | ||
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All that matters is that Vivax had no intention all that matters is he had nothing to say on day 1, yet his only meaningful contribution was to take the piss out of any attempt at organizing. This means he is mafia. Not because only scum would be skeptical of any organization, but because townies would probably be looking for something else to do. It's the difference in mindset of I'm expecting townies to want to do something, even if it's stupid. Vivax used the planning that was meant to be happening as an excuse to post. He is always going to be mafia. There is no meta that matters. All that matters is that Vivax had no intention Bold prediction: Kita and Vivax are in fact scummates. Based on this: On January 20 2016 20:28 Vivax wrote: Ofc I stole kita's thunder by picking his number cause I think he's mafia (saying I don't do anything about number claiming is pretty stupid cause giving my opinion on it is already "doing something" and I had good reason not to partake in that plan where mafia has all the numbers nicely presented for their team to coordinate. On January 20 2016 22:41 Vivax wrote: I'm fine with bringing kita down in the selection but I also wanted a piece of the cake. On January 20 2016 03:36 kitaman27 wrote: Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too. Shows up to complain about something, but doesn't do anything about it. On January 20 2016 09:20 kitaman27 wrote: Since this seems to happen every game, making a post game bet with myself that at least two scum buddies picked the same number to try to throw us off :D | ||
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On January 20 2016 00:58 kitaman27 wrote: Well based on the pick order, you basically have an idea of what every single player picked by day one. Essentially claiming the numbers reduces the odds of overlap, while mafia knows what each other is picking so they can avoid it already. Like a few games ago, like 6 players chose [9] or something stupid like that. What's the disadvantage Vivax? On January 20 2016 01:26 Vivax wrote: You dont know if its truthful what anyone claims and if it is then mafia can pretty much pick the sweet numbers to at least have 1 of their members pick first, I think. On January 20 2016 03:36 kitaman27 wrote: Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too. Shows up to complain about something, but doesn't do anything about it. The point here is: Vivax posts something Kita sees a reason to reply to. Notice however that in Kita's initial reply he doesn't call Vivax mafia at all. Then Vivax responds with basically nothing and some time passes. I come to the thread and call Vivax mafia and Kita immediately agrees with me, but using the weird phrasing "Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too". However Kita had not bothered to mention this scum read until I started talking about it. And yet, when he explains the Vivax read (he explains it more later), it is for precisely the reasons that I called Vivax mafia. Now Kita thinks I'm mafia, so I guess there also exists a scenario where he thinks Vivax and I are both mafia from different families, that is, if he hasn't forgotten about his vivax scumread. But Kita did two extremely scummy things here: a) Fail to mention a scumread, yet claim to have already had it, this is despite actually interacting with his scumread. b) Call me mafia, when his claimed thought process for scumreading Vivax was EXACTLY, like LITERALLY EXACTLY the same as mine, which means he should be thinking that I'm reaching these conclusions naturally. | ||
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I don't believe Kita had the scumread on Vivax until I pointed it out, because it's so simple that he would have mentioned it. I think he just tried to revise history with his "vivax was one of the first I picked out as mafia" line of posting in order to make himself look good. | ||
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On January 21 2016 22:21 Rels wrote: Palmar, kita is never mafia with the amount of organizing he's done (tier list + completing your plan). And if he is, he's getting killed anyway. Will read Vivax filter then see what you wrote. Hello Rels You are wrong. In addition to what I said, there is no way he thinks I'm mafia based on the bullshit case he posted last night. There is literally no way I believe Kita believes his own case. | ||
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On January 21 2016 22:26 Rels wrote: But you're a dumbass too, he made a lot of sense when he said FFA players should also pick roles so we're sure we have no overlap. You saying he sabotaged your plan was super wrong. yeah but that completely makes my plan useless because then we have no checks on mafia. But I'm not here to argue about the plan. The point is, I think he is mafia. The plan thing is very minor. I think his read progress on Vivax wasn't genuine. I think there is a disconnect between his initial role list contribution and his actual followup to that. I think there is no way he genuinely believes I'm mafia I think his filter is too short. I don't particularly think he has been very useful in figuring out mafia. | ||
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We'll see Let's find out! | ||
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On January 21 2016 23:19 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are discussing role and mechanics hoping this will help you find mafia when it helps nothing with the game. 99% of the time town tried to solve the game with mechanics, they lose Can we stop talking about roles and let people do what they want with what they got and stick to actually playing the game how it is intended? He calmly says ignoring the fact that people have been scumhunting and not talking about roles for several pages now. | ||
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Please fill out this survey I best describe myself as: [ ] A person of lower intellectual capability [ ] A member of a criminal organization | ||
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On January 21 2016 23:56 kitaman27 wrote: Town reads: kitaman27 - <3 Rels - general activity and strong reads Cephiro - dreamflower claim, will sort itself out later Superbia - planning stuff, looking to take advantage of setup, advancing discussion. That post about how he was excited about how it looked like town was already winning seemed really townie. The Shining - Initially had him as one of my mafia reads, but his more recent stuff definitely makes me think he is town. In particular, I though post #1504 looked good on his part. Probably town: VayneAuthority - Picks hero and then claims it publicly. As I said earlier, I think mafia hides that info. Breshke - Holmes likely to sort himself out anyways even if he is mafia sicklucker - There are a bunch of spots where he seems excited of the prospect of puzzling the setup together CopCake - She seems like she is in her own little world. Should probably be closer to null but I get the feeling that she is one of those low activity townies at the moment. Choose 3-4 from this group: ObiWanShinobi Koshi disformation Keirathi Onegu Damdred Fecalfeast geript Mafia reads: Vivax GlowingBear Palmar AlotSomuch Tictock (?) This is where I'm at based on my initial quick glance through the player list after the pick phase. Only went through a couple filters so far. When I'm not so busy at work, I'll take a closer look at the peeps on my mafia list and outline why I think those are the baddies. Seeing as you're just agreeing with all my reads, why do I not get a "Great activity and strong reads" like Rels? The patriarchy at work again. | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:06 kitaman27 wrote: Well if we disagree about one read, that doesn't mean we can't be productive when narrowing down the other 7, right? Anything you feel is majorly wrong with that list aside from the Palmar one? Also, I asked that you reply to an earlier post whenever you have the chance. Thank you kindly. disformation should be a read | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:11 disformation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://orig02.deviantart.net/31c3/f/2012/223/2/6/bioshock___would_you_kindly__timeline_cover_by_sammzor-d5aryam.jpg) Maybe I should TR Koshi after all. At least he is kinda make me smile. Scum usually doesn't manage that. Still would prefer lyching one of those unsexy filter dudes. + Show Spoiler + inb4 last minute shennanies onto VA Struggling a bit with getting a proper kita read. Will probably eat something first and then come back to that. Remember that Kita is almost as good as mafia as I am, so high expectations for him. | ||
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On January 22 2016 00:18 kitaman27 wrote: Good thing I'm a far superior townie! :D Nice joke You want stabbing? | ||
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I skimmed the thread on my phone last night, read a few posts. I am essentially okay with Kita's plan of working together to figure out 7 mafia if he is one. | ||
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You are in the slam category. People I don't really read and I don't pretend to be able to figure out the alignment of. | ||
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I guess I have been somewhat pessimistic this game. I'll read your filter. | ||
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Nothing in his filter sounds fake or disingenuous. This is important because I know that he tends to sound fairly fake as mafia. I'm being sort of generous with this read though, because it's not like he sounds supremely straightforward or anything. I guess it's more of a glass half full approach. I did like his basically omgus on damdred, along with his willingness to talk to people (he volunteered to be my friend when I asked for one) and to call them out and make casual reads on players (me, koshi, damdred, geript etc). I wouldn't bet much money on this read, but for now I have absolutely no interest in lynching onegu, and I think it's more likely than not that he's town. But it's weak, mostly due to his lack of content. | ||
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what role did SL attempt to take? How did he end up mysterious challenger? | ||
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Well fuck it, then we're murdering someone who took it out of order. | ||
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On January 22 2016 22:30 Rels wrote: Know if Artorias is in game (confirming SL claim) and know what person got it. it seems bit of a waste (even if it isn't, are we gonna believe alot over sl? I don't really think so) | ||
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On January 22 2016 22:30 Palmar wrote: Also to everyone who thought kita's additions to my plan were not smart. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE CHECK PLAYERS the other way around I mean fuck it you all get it Palmar smart, Kita less so. | ||
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On January 22 2016 22:31 Rels wrote: It worked right ? p: SL did exactly that. We also have Moriarty to check if people really took their claimed role. yes, it worked because I'm smart and kita is bad and mafia. Just remember that, kita is 100% mafia. | ||
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On January 22 2016 22:32 Rels wrote: Alot claiming "XXX is Artorias" gives us a confirmed scum (either XXX or alot). right ok, but I'm just assuming it's vivax anyway because he would already be someone very likely to get a bunch of votes on him at some point. | ||
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On January 22 2016 22:35 Rels wrote: Palmar your YOU HAVE FAILED THE CITY shot is instantaneous right ? I have no idea, but I need to at least get to the night to submit my list. | ||
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On January 22 2016 23:33 kitaman27 wrote: Well the busdriver is almost certainly behind koshi and myself anyways, maybe damdred could have gotten really lucky and found it but do you know what's more accurate than a "honesty check" that a player chose his role? The alignment checks that I chose instead So rather than calling me bad 4-5 more times, what do you think about my post and keir's post on geript? Do you still think keir is mafia? I still think you're mafia | ||
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On January 22 2016 23:29 GlowingBear wrote: Why is SL town again? For some reason I think he is Mafia and I get that feeling after every post he posts written off for effort and filter length. We're not lynching him today. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:28 kitaman27 wrote: Dimensional Lemming "You may not knowingly cause there to be a majority of mafia players in either the main game thread or the new game thread." I wonder if we can use this as like a pseudo dt check if we include Vivax and two of the scummiest players. we can't, because we're killing him today. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: theres no way anyone picked dimensional lemming anyway. One of the super weak roles on the list and on top of that it requires extra effort Repeat after me: "If I ever get lynched I solemnly swear to not use my power. If my power is mandatory I will kill whoever Lord Palmar tells me to". | ||
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Someone who is not lazy needs to figure out of the kitaman role can be fucked with. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:38 kitaman27 wrote: Do you guys know who serves under Lord Palmar? KNIGHT ARTORIAS Everyone serves me. except you, you're mafia. | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote: Unlikely I survive past N1 but I would most likely kill some one like kitaman who is impossible to lynch kita is not impossible to lynch. You will kill whoever I tell you to. I just need to get the ducks in line and actually post a case. But for now I'm sort of fine with killing vivax. Also it's actually kind of scummy to think you won't survive past n1, it's not like you're either a powerful role or have shown much effort to solve the game sooooo..... Are you delusional or did you write that because you wanted to poke open the idea you might get nk'd? | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:45 VayneAuthority wrote: You have claimed to not read the thread, 1 or 2 people have threatened shots on me already in addition to quite a few people in this game that don't like me, it is very likely At what point did I claim to not read the thread? | ||
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On January 23 2016 00:58 Vivax wrote: Like "people refusing to claim are mafia" is a 5-year-old argument yeah, it's amazing you've still not gotten the hint. | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:05 Vivax wrote: He is still on an egotrip from last game probably and that's why he tryhards so much If you can't tell the huge difference in attitude and tone then you're not even trying. | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:42 disformation wrote: ¿que If we knew who got that role, I would be glad to. Did I miss something? Koshi is special, use small words. | ||
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On January 23 2016 01:50 Vivax wrote: Can you skim GB then cause the last time you mentioned him you somehow did that while talking about keirathi. Hi mafia. How does it feel to Mafia? Have you ever considered why you are so Mafia? | ||
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On January 23 2016 04:44 Vivax wrote: Palmar do you even care if im artorias or lemming? No not really | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:45 Tictock wrote: Paranoid thought though, what if SL has just been leading us on with the assertion that Artorias got picked to push people to claim? yes but that's a role focused approach. I townread sl, I scumread vivax. I'm going to go with that. | ||
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On January 23 2016 07:52 Damdred wrote: Well its not shenanigans if its this far from deadline. I will look through Palmars filter and see if there is anything on vivax that's thought provoking, but i'm probably going to look elsewhere. 100% mafia along with kita, ticktock, maybe onegu and a few others. | ||
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Vivax should be lynched because he didn't do shit on day 1 yet felt the need to post about not doing anything. Vivax should also be policy lynched for being a cowboy Vivax should also be semi-policy semi-scum lynched for simply doing nothing to advance the game There are more reasons to kill him than other people, and we have a majority, so fuck it. We kill Vivax. | ||
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On January 23 2016 08:13 Onegu wrote: Is the only reason you guys are not switching off of Vivax because you think you might give him one shot? No, he should be lynched | ||
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I don't care what he is. I want him dead because there is no way vivax is this shit | ||
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If anyone kills me or does anything nasty to me THAT SHOULD BE AN AUTO LYNCH. If I end up dead and someone tries to wifom that he really thought I was mafia or something HE IS LYING. There will be serious problems postgame if people get away with killing me. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:14 The Shining wrote: Would you like a cookie? Or better yet, a piece of cake? a glass of red wine and some dark belgian chocloate would do. I am a sophisticated scumhunter. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:23 The Shining wrote: Damdred Onegu Vayne GB off wagon. Can you 4 please explain why? Even though there's two scum factions, it's still pretty likely at least one here is scum. Remember my wisdom about how mafia fight lynches? Another wisdom is that mafia tend to stay on wagons they're not pushing even if they're lone rangers on it. Were all these on the same wagon, or on some random shitty wagon? | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:35 Tictock wrote: It's probably too easy but I think Vivax's team has a real chance of being Koshi/Vayne/+1 possibly Damdred. no it's you, kita and someone else | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:47 CopCake wrote: ![[image loading]](http://33.media.tumblr.com/f7a058699442368a4c4e67c0d1a2662e/tumblr_inline_nplz6vSvfm1s6az9p_500.gif) Wth is Koshi playing. Is he like "Omg mafia dont kill me because I am obvs so important so please dont but hey town I am town and shit" thing? claim your role right now | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:51 CopCake wrote: No I won't, I have said several times that I think is so pro mafia to claim shit and mafia will use info in their advantage. I don't care what you think. I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, if everyone hasn't claimed it might help mafia if one guy with a role claims, but mafia knows literally every role in the game anyway. The only reason you should not want to claim is if you're mafia and want to hide your role. It's strictly pro town for you to claim your role. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:54 The Shining wrote: Ok but since you don't want to claim, can you tell us if you're NOT Blazinghand? What's your current read on Damdred? She needs to claim. She doesn't have a strong town role (those were all taken early) so there is literally no reason for her not to | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:57 The Shining wrote: I think I've decided on my shot and I might have crumbed it already. Dun dun dun. Bang bang. Wait am I gonna get scumread for not letting my shot be directed? Lol if your target is someone I have called town, you will die. otherwise, whatever. | ||
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On January 23 2016 09:58 Damdred wrote: Palmar I have many hours tomorrow/tonight to catch up any suggestion on what filters I should focus on and give opinions. I don't want to work with mafia, sorry. | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:02 kitaman27 wrote: Following players seem unlikely to be paired with Vivax: Palmar - Picked up on the early post from him that was bad and then Vivax tried to appease him towards end with town read. disfo - Consistent mafia read on vivax during the first 72 hours and had the case which summarized things pretty well sicklucker - It would be really suboptimal to reveal the missing busdriver when Vivax is going to be a prime candidate here. superbia - Suggested we use the gambler plan on Vivax during planning phase and then lists him as priority lynch later I thought about including damdred on the list for essentially hard defending him towards the end. If they were buddies, he almost certainly isn't going to save him with 30 minutes left and he would look worse for doing so. It seems like he might have actually thought Vivax was town. Following players look worse after flip: onegu - He never mentions Vivax all game and then shows up near the end with these posts that soft defend him by suggesting that we're lynching him based on the role, rather than the fact that he was really scummy. Breshke - If he acknowledges that the disfo case is sufficient to lynch Vivax, why is he asking me about him? It's kind of hard to explain, but if he has already made his mind up, why is he coming to me to validate his read. If I say I'm lynching Vivax for different reasons than disfo, then he vote Vivax. If I say I'm lynching Vivax for the same reasons as disfo, then he votes Vivax. Seems like a buddy attempt or something. copcake - She responds sarcastically when Vivax brings her up, but she doesn't actually share a scum read on Vivax which I felt was strange since it seemed like she was suggesting that. Alotsomuch - No quotes here but he goes all game without really even mentioning Vivax and then just shows up to vote him without adding anything at all. Seems real complacent. Koshi - Both defends Vivax directly by explaining why he is town and indirectly by strongly pushing the onegu counter-wagon. This would be pretty irrelevant though if onegu is scum too I guess. Following players are mafia: Kita | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:05 The Shining wrote: You have a 13 page filter. I don't wanna have to filter five a TR just to find his TRs. Halp. Also I don't understand Cop not wanting to claim her role after claiming its a mysterious challenger role. Afaik none of them are particularly strong and she's not BH, which narrows it down slightly. Someone else will do it and I'll be dead. You will be lynched if you shoot a townie. good luck | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:06 kitaman27 wrote: lol you're so obnoxious only to mafia, I'm quite friendly to townies. | ||
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On January 23 2016 10:24 The Shining wrote: Palmar if you're so adamant about some of your scumreads(Kita, Damdred) and you're afraid of dying tonight, why haven't you put your money where your mouth is and Arrowd someone? I can do that? | ||
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basically the wording is vague. I need to "have my list" first, which means submitting it is a night action, if I understand it correctly. also if I shoot at night it's resolved with night actions (ie: I can be roleblocked) but if I do it during day it's instant. | ||
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On January 24 2016 00:07 geript wrote: I think I've figured out what I'm going to do. It might be bad. Idk. I'm tired what role are you again? | ||
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The case against Kitaman27 Remember Palmar from Outlaw mafia? Man that guy was a dick. He shot all the people who were right and argued his way out of a lynch with the rest. This game the guy who has the potential to do this is Kitaman. He's a very good player who would basically always be considered top tier if he played more. He is especially good at town. What all the angry people (rayn, koshi etc) who think town played terribly in Outlaw fail to realize, is that it's their own damn fault for not leaving a rock-solid conclusive case behind that I couldn't argue against. I'm not going to make their mistake, this case will be a comprehensive reasoning Kitaman27 is mafia. Part 1: Kita's original scumread on Vivax This is both the best part about the case, and also the most difficult one to understand. I'll try to use small words for the benefit of certain people. Vivax posted the post that immediately revealed him as mafia (well, not immediately, but it became clear he didn't follow up at all on it. This is the particular post: On January 20 2016 00:55 Vivax wrote: Picking 1 1, obviously a lie. Obviously the truth. Pretty much sums up why this shitty number claiming strat won't do jack. After this, Kita had a "discussion" with Vivax On January 20 2016 00:58 kitaman27 wrote: Well based on the pick order, you basically have an idea of what every single player picked by day one. Essentially claiming the numbers reduces the odds of overlap, while mafia knows what each other is picking so they can avoid it already. Like a few games ago, like 6 players chose [9] or something stupid like that. What's the disadvantage Vivax? Vivax responded to this with: On January 20 2016 01:26 Vivax wrote: You dont know if its truthful what anyone claims and if it is then mafia can pretty much pick the sweet numbers to at least have 1 of their members pick first, I think. So this was the extent of their conversation and posts about each other until I joined the thread about 2 or 3 hours later. The important part is that Vivax wouldn't go on to post anything more for a long time. I basically saw Vivax's post and immediately called him out as mafia, then Kitaman decided to agree with me, without having shown no inclination towards calling Vivax mafia in the previous interaction. On January 20 2016 03:36 kitaman27 wrote: Vivax was the first person that I picked out as mafia too. Shows up to complain about something, but doesn't do anything about it. The point is that what was originally just a reason to put a pretty mild question on Vivax became a pretty strong scumread without Vivax doing anything in the meantime. And the first sentence in Kita's post is the important one. He CLAIMS that he had already picked out Vivax as mafia, so why didn't he do anything about it??? It's also important to notice that if you go to Kita's filter you can see that while he consistently called Vivax mafia he was never actively trying to lynch him. He wasn't yelling for the lynch in the same way I do. There is no way a town Kita cares so little about the lynch. Part 2: Kita's case on me On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: Let me show you why this is so, so, so wrong. Palmar's plan: Koshi, damdred, and kitaman27 are free for all picks that are instructed to pick a role above them in the list to PROVE the players above us actually take a role that they want. Result: Koshi, damdred, and kitaman27 wind up as Mysterious challengers because they were idiotic enough to pick a role that was already selected. BUT AT LEAST WE VERIFIED 3 PICKS, RIGHT GUYS? Kita's plan: Koshi picks his assigned power role damdred picks his assigned power role kita picks his assigned power role Result: Between those three roles we now have 1x watcher 2x tracker 2x protection 1x nuke 1x secondary lynch 1x parity cop 1x alignment cop So what's more important, all those abilities or verifying that 3 people above us took the roles they promised (which has no alignment indicative information. Even if a player takes their assigned role, they still could be mafia) I have already explained why having the checks is important and far better. Also I want everyone to understand that I put shady, experienced players on the check roles because I wanted to fucking deny them roles. I wanted them to just become MC at random. But more importantly, even if he doesn't agree with me, it doesn't make me mafia. Nothing he says in the first part of the case makes me mafia. On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: No they really can't. For a mafia player to "pick whatever they want", that means that the role can't already have been chosen by another player. If they pick above another player, then they are denying the player below, that player claims and we have a combination of role checks, the kitaman27 role, and trackers to figure out who it was. So that leaves the list of roles that go unpicked. They're almost all trash: Hero - Picked by VA anyways Puppeteer - Useless for mafia Dimensional Lemming - Useless for mafia Speaker for the Dead - Useless for mafia Artanis - Useless for mafia GreYMisT - Useless for mafia because it only delays things for 12 hours. Janitor - 1 shot use and can't be used on the lynch. Not a high priority Copycat - Not a priority Tommy the Fireman - Okay mafia role, but not a Psy - If he uses his ability, it confirms he is in the game and we get him by role check, track or kitaman27 Alchemist - A delayed 1 shot vig? meh I suppose it is useful for mafia, but not a huge priority pick to justify breaking the plan Yu Narukami - Kinda useful role, but I suggested that it be picked in my post so it wouldn't be open Knight Artorias - Strong mafia role Essentially there is one mafia role that is worth grabbing and we have sicklucker's honest check on that one. Furthermore, since all role selections are basically public, you are responsible for your actions. Say the tracker decides that they are going to "undermine" your plan and grab a different role. They still gotta say who they visited each night, their tracker results etc. So essentially lie each night about their action. It's not worth the mafia risk. Again a bunch of plan talk, none of which makes me mafia. On January 21 2016 08:40 kitaman27 wrote: The fact that you're trying to take my clearly superior plan and justify it as a reason that I'm mafia is preposterous. Earlier in the game you mentioned that town's objective is to maximize the amount of blue roles we get. Yet here you are pushing a plan where there players are doing "honest checks". When I edit your plan to maximize the blue roles it makes me scum? That's laughable. Palmar is mafia So finally, here is the part that actually "makes me mafia". Notice how he wrote a massive case and nothing in it was actually about me being mafia. It was just a giant argument that his clearly shitty plan was somehow better than mine because it gave scummy people roles. My plan focused exactly on getting town as many blue roles as possible I just didn't want scum to get them too!There is literally no way kita believes that me being convinced that my plan is better like this somehow means I'm mafia. It's entirely possible he's bad and genuinely (irrelevant of his alignment) thinks that his plan is better, but there is no way he believes it makes me mafia. It was a giant ass fake case based on nothing. Literally flinging shit to see if it sticks. Also, just like the Vivax read, I don't feel like he made a strong push to actually lynch me. In fact I don't think Kita has passionately pushed anyone this game. It's just some shitty lists of 3-5 people thrown together as maybe mafia. Part 3: Various other things
Part 4: Suggestions on how to deal with Kita in the future if I'm dead
I hope you all enjoyed my case on Kitaman27. He is always mafia this game no matter what he says. If this game ends and he's still alive there will be killings. Good Luck! | ||
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On January 24 2016 07:12 kitaman27 wrote: GUYS GUYS. I have an idea. Palmar can fix his case on me and balance will be restored to the thread. Mafia | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:53 VayneAuthority wrote: Kitaman one of the best players on this site is still alive after N1 and you guys are worrying about killing my weak role :D I am officially best player and also alive. | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote: (protip: he's hero) yeah but he happens to be on my list, I can just take him out now | ||
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I tried to put people likely to die along with people likely to be mafia and possibly set to deliver kills on my list. | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:55 VayneAuthority wrote: If he does this Koshi, nuke him immediately you understand how retarded that sounds right? | ||
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On January 24 2016 08:56 CopCake wrote: wait mafia killed that many people and still missed two? or what does also had town? ceph shot breshke and died because of it. | ||
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I think I should not reveal the players still on it? Although I'm on the verge of just saying fuck it and killing VA There is two other people on the list, one is likely mafia, the other is likely town. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:04 AlotSomuch wrote: AGAIN WHY DID YOU NOT KILL THE CLAIMED BUSDRIVER WHO USED BUSDRIVING TO KILL A TOWN? who me? I could kill him, keirathi or rels. I guess keirathi was the best kill of the bunch. meh | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:06 Superbia wrote: You got the message that one of your list murdered another? No. | ||
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He basically played so bad that he picked a protective role to protect himself from town shots and lied about his claim. Basically, he deserved to die anyway. Also his filter was shit, he hasn't helped to do anything. I am very deep in do not care mode. Kill Kita | ||
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Who would protect VA? No townie surely would. And since superbia's shot didn't get through I thought there was a good chance he got protected. I of course didn't think that he was dumb enough to pick a protective role and protect himself and then lie about his role. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:12 Superbia wrote: Tommy can protect himself from 1kp during the night twice per game. I know I just didn't know he was tommy, because you know... of the lying | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:12 Superbia wrote: Like this is why you don't fake claim and try to make plays. yes. he was just being a complete dumbass. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:19 Koshi wrote: Apologize to VA now. He played for town and you nuke him. There was nothing that made him mafia. Either apologize while admitting you used your fucking role out of some stupid ego tripping bullshit or I will nuke you. Nuke away He was being awful and he lied about his role. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:21 Koshi wrote: How was he awful? How? Ofc you lie about your role when you are the FUCKING VETERAN No you don't, not when everyone else has claimed. | ||
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He went cowboy and lied about it. He died. Not my problem, you win some you lose some. | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:24 Koshi wrote: I know a shitton of townies used kp on town because they are not as fucking good as they think they are. Tempted to use nuke on palmar out of spite. Probably wont. Do I nuke kita? Let me know. of course you fucking do. He is 100% mafia. | ||
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Didn't you try to get the lynch off scum on day 1 or something? l2p | ||
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On January 24 2016 09:25 kitaman27 wrote: Hold your nuke. I'll give you someone to put it to good use on in a bit. I'll reveal my night results in a little bit, but I wanna look into a few things/ask a few questions first. Just do it scum | ||
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I can't deal with people who can't follow fucking instructions fuck it i'm going to sleep before I get real mad. Koshi you're awful, kita you're mafia. Everyone who picked dumb roles is bad and should die. Kill onegu, kill keirathi kill everyone who is too fucking full of himself to follow the only good plan in town I have no idea if I'll even post again this game | ||
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On January 24 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote: my eyes are tearing up a bit. You will be missed VayneAuthority. | ||
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On January 24 2016 12:27 CopCake wrote: WTF you fucking wtf why did you shot palmar hint: it's a fake nuke | ||
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sort of genuinely sorry about shooting VA, although I still believe it wasn't a terrible shot given the way he lied about his role. Kita wasn't on my list because I genuinely wanted to learn killings in it. 1) Rels, strong townie, if I survive he is likely to die. 2) geript, strong role, not scumread by many. If town, likely to die, if mafia, likely to deliver 3) Obi, see geript 4) Keirathi, similar, but I felt like he was more likely to be scum than the two above 5) VA, hero, hard to lynch. Added so I could kill him instead of lynching if ever needed. | ||
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On January 24 2016 20:53 sicklucker wrote: your I say your and I will always say your its my internet language I dont care if its proper. This is the internet not school yeah but it's still weird, especially for those of us who sort of mentally translate everything. Your sentence simply doesn't mean what you intended for it to mean. | ||
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On January 25 2016 01:39 Koshi wrote: Oh 1 more thing. If town wants to actually hit mafia lynch fefe. If kita is town: we can trust his redcheck (I don't know if this is true but w.e) if kita is mafia: we can trust he actually tried to find other mafia and is telling the truth if kita is a flower: he framed a townie but I don't understand why unless mafia really just wants to kill all townies and go for a co-op victory. So lynch fefe = thx. Koshi is 100% right on this one. There's no way town kita claims a fake red check on fecalfeast. So it's: a) town kita found scum -> we lynch scum b) scum kita wants to kill town -> worst result, still 1 for 1 so I'm fine with it c) scum kita found evil scum on other team -> we get 2 scum. If we lynch FF and the nuke lands on kita we are 100% guaranteed to hit mafia. So yes, koshi is right, we lynch FF | ||
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He's 25% right sooooo | ||
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I don't get it pls explain funny | ||
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On January 25 2016 18:29 Rels wrote: I'm super disappointed by your understanding skills! He said he got one more rocket because he roleblocked a scum (TT), so now he has many rockets + 1. I got that But I don't get why blocking scum gives him more rockets. | ||
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On January 26 2016 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote: TT + Kita are a team so that's handy genuinely sorry if you're town bro. But meh, it's not like you were super duper townie and useful so c'est la vie | ||
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Also, if you're so sure about onegu please summarize your thoughts in a case that you can then link back to later. | ||
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On January 26 2016 06:30 Rels wrote: He's Artorias. He didn't claim he picked it. He made us waste a check on him. He just called me scum for lying, then call me scum BECAUSE I said he was scum for lying when proven wrong. End of case. I agree FF is the right lynch, but I'm afraid of busdriver + GB's unclaim role. We cannot RB both, one of them is going to fuck us. Then onegu is the lynch tomorrow. ez | ||
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On January 26 2016 07:30 Onegu wrote: Do you think the artoris role is anti town in town hands? No it is extremely town favored. I disagree, I specifically asked you to not pick it. If his story is true, you are 100% mafia and should be lynched. | ||
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Onegu does over the top scummy things when he's scum so people townread him of it. Onegu has done over the top scummy things this game. Onegu is therefore scum QED. | ||
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On January 26 2016 08:06 Koshi wrote: Well clearly you are not going for a repeat. we'll see, if I lead mafia lynches on day 1/2 (vivax/kita) I have a pretty good case. | ||
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Anyway, we're gonna lynch him, but still. | ||
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That's right mafia, I don't even care about your intragang fight, I'm coming for all of you. | ||
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Remember that time when I wrecked some mafia? | ||
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I can't wait to find out my bold prediction was correct. | ||
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On January 26 2016 20:24 Koshi wrote: There is still mafia somewhere in the superconfirmed area. there always is. That's like the one constant in my reads. I give at least 1 random mafia a pass based on nothing. | ||
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On January 26 2016 21:17 Koshi wrote: Maybe Rels is mafia with SL? It is getting ridiculous. They are not in the team with kita. But in the team with fefe. seems illogical to stick his neck out for kita if he is. Like rels is not a complete dumbess except when he is, so maybe he thought of that play, but it's still an outside the standard playbook one. | ||
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On January 26 2016 21:23 Koshi wrote: If you ever fucking dual Onegu I will use a million posts to make sure you are lynched. This thread will reach 500 pages. What's this duel business? | ||
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On January 26 2016 21:33 Rels wrote: During the first 24 hours of the day phase, SL can dual a target. If he does so, we can only vote for SL or the target. that seems like something he shouldn't use, ever. | ||
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It was a compliment A backhanded one, but for me that's quite good. | ||
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On January 26 2016 21:50 sicklucker wrote: no koshi its ridiculous you cant agree with the other 6 towns in the game it's not ridiculous. Lots of townies didn't agree with me on kita. Just find mafia instead of worrying about what koshi thinks of you. | ||
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On January 27 2016 04:08 Rels wrote: True, maybe the organizing town part is not worth much towncred. Kita was undermining town organization | ||
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On January 27 2016 04:47 CopCake wrote: Koshi is like LOOK AT ME I AM SO TOWN BECAUSE I KILLED KITA Look at me give me the glory look at me i am so town look at me, let me control town look me look me i am da best. When Palmar is the one that has been actually logical. That doesn't make koshi any less town | ||
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On January 27 2016 04:59 Keirathi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25334872 At this point you're just using this as an excuse. So what, I failed a kill and got mad for half an hour. Yes, I am relatively salty about people not wanting to do exactly as I say. I had the only comprehensive and good plan in town, I put a ton of work into getting it done, I delivered mafia on day 1 and delivered mafia on day 2. It is seriously annoying to deal with people who can't step back from their own ego. For what it's worth, I would've loved it if someone actually did the organizing for me and I could just focus on scumhunting. But the only person who barely tried was clearly mafia and all he did was make my plan worse. So yeah, if you're trying to use me getting mad for half an hour as an excuse to just not play the game that is pretty shit if you're town. | ||
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Rels: activity, emotion, analysis. I almost cba really talking about him. Under the current situation there is no reason to consider the possibility of him being mafia. If he is, he deserves not to be lynched over the myriad of townies that are not doing jack shit. Koshi: similar to rels. Killed mafia, is super emotional yet his actions are radical. Chance of being scum close to zero. sl: filter length. It's not very strong, but he has posted a fuckton. Even if koshi thinks he's mafia I'd search for the other 4 first. There's 5 people in this game with very high postcounts, rels, me, koshi, superbia, sl. I feel like that searching for mafia in this group is relatively futile. There certainly might be one in there, but the odds are much better in the lower post count group. superbia: very good day 1, but he has dropped off a bit. I still trust him. He was my #1 townread on day 1 so I'm just going ot roll with that. Also he's part of the big 5 filters. List of people that might be town for one reason or another: Copcake: simple tone read based on her reaction to koshi's nukes, and general tone. I don't really suspect her all that much. The Shining: cooperative and impatient to give out information. The fact that he claimed his shot was dumb, but it also makes him more likely to be impulsive/town than anything else. Nully: Onegu: I didn't hate his filter when I read it, also rels feels strongly he's mafia so maybe that means he's town (#rekt). Mostly it's also just a sheep of koshi. ON THE OTHER HAND. Don't sleep on Onegu, he does weird shit as mafia because he knows he can get away with it. Very good check if we have any of those left. Keirathi: got mad at me for blowing up. I sort of believed he was town right there. However the fact he's using it as an excuse to not play is meehehhhh~~~~. Another good check. Also make him accountable with his role. This guy is actually very smart and a pretty good player. So if he does dumb shit, then hold him accountable. list of scummy people: disformation: Nothing he says is wrong and everything he says sounds wrong. This is as pure a toneread as they get. Almost every post I read from him makes me want to murder him for sounding like mafia. He doesn't help the game progress, despite posting quite a bit. All his posts sort of wander and speculate without any firm conclusions or passion to do anything. I feel he is very likely mafia. Tictock: I can't even remember why. Mostly low investment and when he posts it's not particularly impressive. I haven't really reviewed his filter at all. Damdred: No investment in the game at all. Incredibly boring when he posts. Alot: don't care, will die Glowingbear: no investment in the game at all, also when he posts it's been spectacularly awful. This guy is probably our best lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On January 27 2016 05:31 Keirathi wrote: Lol, MY ego? Yeah, and remind me to never try to help town in a pyp game again. On January 27 2016 05:31 Keirathi wrote: Here's what'll happen. You'll lynch me, I'll flip town, then you'll blame me for being bad/idiot/whatever. I'm not really lynching you unless I think you're mafia. There's little reason to do it currently. If you get lynched, yes, it's your fault for not being able to argue your way out of a lynch. I have talked about this many times. The entire point of playing mafia is just: "don't get lynched". If all the townies in a particular town succeed in that simple goal, town automatically wins the game On January 27 2016 05:31 Keirathi wrote: Despite the fact that you were wrong about me before you even started trying to give out roles and I wouldn't play along. Sure, I am very, very often wrong. I'm also sometimes right! If this was YOUR plan I wouldn't interfere with you implementing YOUR plan. On January 27 2016 05:31 Keirathi wrote: Despite the fact that I said in the last PYP game I played in that playing along with some mass-pick strategy isn't what I sign up to play PYP games for. I sign up to win games. I don't care what you sign up for and I don't care what you said in some random other game. It has nothing to do with me in this game. On January 27 2016 05:31 Keirathi wrote: Despite any evidence to the contrary, you just think you're so good that you can't be wrong, and if you are then it's the other person's fault instead of yours. So, I'll do what I can until I die. Hopefully soon. Nah that's the thing, I'm wrong all the time. I however, will not apologize for killing liars. LAL is one of my prime directives in mafia. And there is a good reason for it. I have more experience than anyone else on this forum. I am not the best scumhunter, but thanks to the amount of games I've played, I KNOW things that you can expect people to do. It's ALWAYS a good idea to kill liars. | ||
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On January 27 2016 05:44 Keirathi wrote: Wait, why? I know I've seen people do it before. I remember bugs doing it for sure. I apologize if that was against the rules. I really didn't think it would be :\ we had a massive discussion about it a few years back. I think the conclusion was screenshots are fine, but other shit really isn't. It comes down to you being able to edit the document to remove content that was there. It's fine, just don't edit it more. I'm sure the hosts will at most warn you for this. | ||
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On January 27 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote: So since you guys now know I'm kenpachi, who should I roleblock? Or who I definitely shouldn't? roleblock the other mafia team pls | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:54 Onegu wrote: I just saved you from KP and I dont get a Pass? What do I have to do??? if you hadn't touched me, damdred would've saved me and not died... I think? | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote: It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night. Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game. I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar. Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today. explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:09 Koshi wrote: Is this true? If you are bussed with Damdred. And damdred protects you, doesn't damdred protect himself? So how did he die? yeah I didn't think of that. Are you willing to be responsible for a townread one onegu? | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote: explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me. Like this should be lynch worthy. I have every single standard advantage on SL. Even if I agree SL is likely town, there is absolutely no way anyone should be considering him a stronger townread than me. I think TT just made shit up on the spot. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:13 Koshi wrote: No. But he did save you. Just like he saved me. And again somebody died who we thought was mafia. (Damdred) or at least the very least less mafia than you. At this point I don't really care who is mafia. We lynch mafia and are punished. We can lynch mafia each day and lose. Just ridiculous. Yes, multifamily games are stupid because you have 33% chance to win as all factions. So I'm just going to lynch people because I want to and see where it takes me. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:34 disformation wrote: Case on GlowingBear This was a bit harder to write than I expected. First up: very low activity. Five pages of filter. But low activity does not necessarily mean scum. So let us look at his content. Page 1 of his filter consists about him nearly forgetting the game, asking several easy to answer questions about the mechanics of the game and insisting that him not picking a number makes him town. Also saying that inactivity is pretty NAI for him. Page 2 starts with him realizing that he had some very inactive scum games. Next up is him not cooperating with town. Later on he says he picked Moriarty to check on FF. Until Page 3 he hasn't posted any read beside an indirect scum read on SL by asking ppl why they townread SL. Page 3 Asks ppl about sicklucker again. He tells shining that him asking all these questions on Page 1 in the thread instead a possible scum QT is AI. First reads: That FF read is quite strange, especially given that there are two scum teams... Page 4 puts out these reads: Despite arguing with and about some of those ppl he never actually pushes them. Oh also remember his vote from Day 1? + Show Spoiler + sicklucker (1): GlowingBear I remember someone posting something about outlier votes being more scum indicative... TLDR: + Show Spoiler + Look at his filter. The end. Not many reads at all. Argues with ppl he scum reads, never pushes them. General low activity and doesn't seem interested in solving this game. you're mafia | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:45 disformation wrote: His filter is flowers. What more should I have to say? Do you see a single post with the desire to solve the game in that filter? His read on FF is even more of a flower. I am like 100% sure that dude is scum. no. and this post is the case a townie would write. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:46 Superbia wrote: Palmar what's your thought on shoveling GB? perfectly fine with it. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:48 disformation wrote: Yeah, this is probably not the bestest case that was ever written, but flower just look at that filter. I can't believe that dude can be anything else than scum. At least I am trying to do something here. TBH I was really surprised when Superbia said he would shoot TT over GB. Cause I don't think you can get more scummy than that. you might well be right, I don't care about the case | ||
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On January 27 2016 10:00 GlowingBear wrote: I roleblocked superbia because I thought he would kill me you think he's mafia? | ||
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On January 27 2016 10:04 GlowingBear wrote: He was the only KP role alive, Rels said SUPERBIA was going to shoot me so I took my precautions. The rest of the roles didn't seem very strong for Mafia, so it didn't look like I should roleblock them you think he's mafia? | ||
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There is exactly 1 mafia in me/superbia/sl/koshi/rels. I don't care right now. If this was a normally balanced game (17vs5 or so) instead of a two family game (14 vs 8) we would have time to figure out where the hidden mafia is. I know I am probably wrong on a townread, it's not that I'm too cocky to think I might be wrong, it's just that I don't believe I have time to pursue that train of thought. For various reasons I'm giving copcake, keirathi and shining a pass today. This leaves: Onegu, tictock and disformation. (notice that even with GB flipping mafia my mafia list is short 1 person, I told you I'm going to be wrong on things). Today I am willing to lynch between disformation and tictock I think. Additionally, can anyone see any downside in letting Onegu shoot disfo? (notice that I want to make him shoot disfo instead of tictock for various reasons). | ||
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On January 27 2016 17:58 Onegu wrote: I can prove I am not mafia. I will bus SL during the night something I couldnt do if I was mafia with him... why couldn't you do it if you're mafia with him? | ||
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On January 27 2016 18:04 Onegu wrote: Really? So you are saying I can confirm I am not scum with SL which is why koshi is now scum reading me. And I can kill one of your scum reads and you arent interested? I just think you're mafia, I don't really think this sl thing is relevant, and the fact you're trying to use the "I am not mafia with sl therefore I'm not mafia" just makes me think you're mafia and he's town. | ||
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On January 27 2016 17:58 Onegu wrote: I can prove I am not mafia. I will bus SL during the night something I couldnt do if I was mafia with him... I think this is true. I don't think Onegu would've thought of coming up with that as a lie in the middle of a conversation, in addition to the fact that we could always test it and "confirm" both of them as mafia (with all the rb's out of the setup, as far as I know). | ||
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The wording "I can prove I am not mafia" is so wrong. It's a massive overstatement over the truth that he can prove he's specifically not mafia with SL | ||
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On January 27 2016 19:00 Koshi wrote: How can he ever be useful with his role? Better to get all anti town bullshit out of the way. No please. That role power needs to go. I cannot see how it will ever be beneficial. If you can think of a scenario... Hmm.. If you tell me there is not a role in this game that can be destructive to town if it survives sure. Like imagine sl is mafia with Onegu and it is endgame and sl uses his power to make Onegu "the last mafia". It won't happen if we lynch Onegu today but shit like that scares me. I don't know what roles are in the game atm tbh. But that role from sl never works for town imo. yeah but it never works for mafia either, because if he uses it in a dumb way he is the one that will end up being lynched. But sure, he can use it, I don't really care. | ||
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sl duel onegu. then we kill onegu. | ||
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Just do it. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:09 sicklucker wrote: what tie? its onegu who claimed scum by taking art. im curious what rels thinks SICKLUCKER DUEL ONEGU NOW WE WILL KILL HIM DO IT | ||
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sl might be mafia for this bs | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:15 sicklucker wrote: your so god damn impatiencce palmar. i wanted to use my power for something useful this game but now you made me waste it gj well played there is nothing useful to be done with it. especially since you're mafia. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:16 sicklucker wrote: lol plummer you cant be serious watch me | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:23 sicklucker wrote: palmar how do you set me up like this and leave the thread? this is fucking sad It's easy 1) demand you do shit 2) leave the thread one day you'll learn not to trust me. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:24 Rels wrote: haha p: busted by the other team Onegu TT SL ??? Last one is probably copcake No disfo disformation is 110% mafia I am more sure on him than anyone else in the game. | ||
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No, 100% | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:32 sicklucker wrote: I AM TICKTICKS TOP TOWN READ AND HE DIDNT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY I AM TICKTICKS TOP TOWN READ AND HE DIDNT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY I AM TICKTICKS TOP TOWN READ AND HE DIDNT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY I AM TICKTICKS TOP TOWN READ AND HE DIDNT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY RELS SAYS ONEGU IS 95% MAFIA AND IM TOWN AND HE DOESINT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY RELS SAYS ONEGU IS 95% MAFIA AND IM TOWN AND HE DOESINT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY RELS SAYS ONEGU IS 95% MAFIA AND IM TOWN AND HE DOESINT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY RELS SAYS ONEGU IS 95% MAFIA AND IM TOWN AND HE DOESINT VOTE TO SAVE ME INSTANTLY appealing to emotion by using fake anger. noted. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:33 disformation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://41.media.tumblr.com/f0be6be3a4ee7c3236307eaf9603db91/tumblr_nmbg1jFbga1r8suc9o1_1280.png) unvoting CC. That is why the lynch is now between Onegu and SL? Kay. you're still mafia. 120% (it goes up 10% every time you post something stupid). | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:34 Koshi wrote: Just note that he hasn't said anything about how mafia Onegu is. and they're not on the same team, clearly | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:34 sicklucker wrote: I have never been more mad in this game in my life. What the fuck do you expect you tricked me into martying and think im mafia after martying... You're just mad that you got caught, wanted to ride your filter length out the game. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:40 sicklucker wrote: tt is already voting onegu so I owe him an apology if you're not mafia, who is? | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:41 sicklucker wrote: Palmar for someone who wants people to follow them as a leader. You just fucking backstabbed YOUR #1 Willling town follower over the guy who went against everything you asked of people. I will never follow you again I hope it was worth it. (unless your mafia then ill prop make a video about how your the greatest) I'm just messing with you dude Rels might be mafia. He agrees to my dumb scumreads and doesn't agree on disformation who is absolutely mafia and will never flip anything else this game. Like I am so fucking certain about disfo. | ||
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I'm all for it #yolo | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:44 Koshi wrote: But if you are sure we can maybe consider changing. But we all know the best play was to all vote sl. Because we could see which mafia tried to blackmail town into paranoia. Rels and disformation look sort of worse. I'm having massive feels about rels right now. I won't lynch him tomorrow, disformation will be the lynch tomorrow, but maaaan I'm suspicious of rels right now. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:45 Koshi wrote: way too soon. You should have seen other people first... #dontcare | ||
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I will never lynch sl this game. If he's mafia he's played great, put in a lot of effort and sounded convincing when he needed to. So that leaves me with only one option. I don't care what everyone else does, it's not my problem I will be voting onegu today I will be voting disformation tomorrow. There is going to be no discussion about this. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:46 Rels wrote: What was townie about SL's attitude ? It might be an over reaction but it was super scummy. no it wasn't | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:46 sicklucker wrote: Ya way too soon you already tilted me may as well ride with it.. I know, but I gotta go and I was laughing too hard. like fuck it I don't care. Onegu today, disfo tomorrow anything else is unacceptable. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:48 disformation wrote: 140%. Currently rereading and looking at the situation. Onegu: - sitting on a role that can flower town over (hard) - no scum hunting - basically only talks about his role and ppls reaction to that SL at least has put in a ton of work/posts into this and I am currently getting a strong town vibe from his posts. In favour of the Onegu lynch here. thanks for updating stupid post count for me. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:48 Rels wrote: I was not voting Onegu until I'm sure he's the lynch. you have the balls of a little old lady. | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:47 Koshi wrote: The person who put down the third vote could have been pressured hard... Oh well. This was fun. Could have been brilliant. Yeah sorry, that's on me, I got impatient and wanted to spill the beans because I really am just a little kid | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:50 Koshi wrote: I should make a screenshot at home about what filters I read. Like it's only 7-10 out of 22. I am just going on feels. To really scumread people I need to read their filters. Or I go off single posts. here's two single posts that both make disformation 100% mafia all the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25332654 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25342455 | ||
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On January 28 2016 00:57 Koshi wrote: Would Rels be so convincing wrong about people though? I really felt pretty good on how he was so wrong. If it was all fake I don't know... 2 mafia teams, but still. it's not an issue for a while. He doesn't have a kp role and we need to lynch 2 other people definitely first. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:29 Onegu wrote: Well I am here. Looks like I am dead. Put a shot on Disformation, May change to TT but kinda feel like sheeping Koshi and Palmar even though they are being dumb. Tips 4 play if you're town: 1) don't pick mafia roles because you feel like it 2) don't let town agonize over who picked the mafia role 3) definitely don't let town waste a role on finding out you have mafia role 4) obey palmar | ||
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nothing personal, just your role pm said so | ||
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Palmar does not afraid of anything. | ||
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On January 28 2016 08:46 Superbia wrote: Palmar, how does Kita usually treat his team mates in thread? Do he town-read them? Does he null-read them? Does he mafia-read them? I have absolutely no idea | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:07 Superbia wrote: Nah man. Use the resources you have. :D I have caught 100% mafia the same way. I'm pretty sure from kita's filter alone that Vivax was likely with FF (opposite of Kita). Also leaning towards GB being a hit and on Kita's team. OBS QT: remember to make fun of him if this is wrong pls | ||
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although who cares. As long as you murder people I'm fine with it. | ||
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Palmar Koshi SL ----------------- superbia copcake shining ----------------- rels keirathi tictock ----------------- disfo If we're sure mafia can't stop you murdering, you will murder disformation. Any other kill and we lynch you. If none of disfo/onegu/gb were mafia we deserve to lose anyway. Hopefully these dumb as shit mafia teams realize it's time to shoot each other and not townies | ||
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In a normal game with normal balance where mafia isn't more than 1/3 of the game, I'd absolutely be re-evaluating. But we have no time this game so I'm going to keep killing people I feel have contributed nothing and I didn't like in the early game. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:16 Koshi wrote: guilt was real* And the only reason I am looking for mafia traits on Palmar is because he is so town. But tbh. in 2 vs 1 lylo with palmar and superbia I might lynch Palmar. This is fine. I still don't want to die though, so the no protection clause is meh. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:28 Onegu wrote: My son is in hospital now so... GG I hope everything's ok. Take care of your family dude. | ||
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On January 29 2016 06:53 disformation wrote: Get well soon. Glad to hear that! Okay ppls, I am around and Imma go look at some filters. If you have questions or want me to look into certain ppl first, feel free to ask. 100% MAFIA | ||
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"MAFIA HATES HIM!" | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:21 disformation wrote: If your plan is to bait me into getting myself modkilled you are getting pretty close. I can't hear you over the sound of how mafia you are. | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:47 disformation wrote: Cause of that post by him I quoted. duh. why does it make him town? | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:49 sicklucker wrote: disinfo we already know your mafia , you may as well just pull a gb ok I'm voting sl I don't care. | ||
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On January 29 2016 08:56 Onegu wrote: Well you got 2 min to decide. If not GG GL Town In a game with no room for error, don't do wifom plays as town please. Picking that role, wasting alot's role... We don't have time for that, and if you actually flip town now, you have wasted town's time. | ||
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If mafia, good last minute wifom play as I don't really think you'll flip one. | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:01 disformation wrote: I told you Onegu was scummy. Voting scum 3 days in a row. Still everyone thinks I am scum cause there are tow teams. FML: Everyone thinks you're scum because I told them you're scum. I don't think you're scum because of your voting record, I don't really give a shit about your voting record. I think you're scum because your posts don't sound like anything a real boy, let alone a townie, would ever write. | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:02 Keirathi wrote: Man I'm so good at this game. Thinking 3 of the 4 scum that have flipped were town :/ Do you think this is a reason to lynch you? | ||
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Onegu was mafia because he did mafia things. Even if my read waffled near the end of the day on him, the fact that he did scummy shit (like picking a scum role, and wasting a town role) made him mafia. His actions speak louder than any kind of a gut read I have. VA lied about his role. He should have died on n1, but he got protected somehow. I figured no townie would ever protect VA due to activity and standing so I was sure it had to be a mafia protection. It turns out it was his own protection because he lied about the role. I killed someone who lied, and I would do it every time. | ||
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Koshi Superbia sicklucker Rels --------------------------- <--- Tryhard line Keirathi The Shining CopCake Tictock disformation It is of absolute greatest importance that the people below the tryhard line try their absolute hardest to prove their innocence and to find mafia. The reason is very simple. At this point in the game, if you get lynched as town you're a massive liability. DO NOT GET LYNCHED AS TOWN. We cannot afford mislynches this game, so please, please, don't despair or be shit, you have to tryhard. | ||
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On January 29 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote: YOU TAKE THAT BACK OR I WILL NUKE YOU AGAIN. No, you see: I'm not trying to say I was RIGHT, I'm just saying that I am okay with being wrong in the way that I was. I am not good enough at mafia to figure out everyone's alignment all the time, so I often use indicators to aid in my reads. | ||
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On January 29 2016 22:33 Koshi wrote: and lose if mafia doesn't hit mafia for once in their lives come on you can do it! I sort of want to believe mafia is just really fucking awful at scumhunting, rather than them being dumbasses and repeatedly shooting only town. | ||
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Unlike everyone else in the game who responded like human beings to my case on Kita, disformation felt the need to break it down without reaching any kind of conclusion at all about it. Additionally, even though he had a "scum lean" on Kita he didn't mention kita even once after this until the nuke had been fired. Like this breakdown is the most robotic and fake thing I have ever seen. I'm going to demonstrate why: On January 24 2016 02:49 disformation wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote: The case against Kitaman27 Remember Palmar from Outlaw mafia? Man that guy was a dick. He shot all the people who were right and argued his way out of a lynch with the rest. This game the guy who has the potential to do this is Kitaman. He's a very good player who would basically always be considered top tier if he played more. He is especially good at town. What all the angry people (rayn, koshi etc) who think town played terribly in Outlaw fail to realize, is that it's their own damn fault for not leaving a rock-solid conclusive case behind that I couldn't argue against. I'm not going to make their mistake, this case will be a comprehensive reasoning Kitaman27 is mafia. Part 1: Kita's original scumread on Vivax This is both the best part about the case, and also the most difficult one to understand. I'll try to use small words for the benefit of certain people. Vivax posted the post that immediately revealed him as mafia (well, not immediately, but it became clear he didn't follow up at all on it. This is the particular post: After this, Kita had a "discussion" with Vivax Vivax responded to this with: So this was the extent of their conversation and posts about each other until I joined the thread about 2 or 3 hours later. The important part is that Vivax wouldn't go on to post anything more for a long time. I basically saw Vivax's post and immediately called him out as mafia, then Kitaman decided to agree with me, without having shown no inclination towards calling Vivax mafia in the previous interaction. The point is that what was originally just a reason to put a pretty mild question on Vivax became a pretty strong scumread without Vivax doing anything in the meantime. And the first sentence in Kita's post is the important one. He CLAIMS that he had already picked out Vivax as mafia, so why didn't he do anything about it??? It's also important to notice that if you go to Kita's filter you can see that while he consistently called Vivax mafia he was never actively trying to lynch him. He wasn't yelling for the lynch in the same way I do. There is no way a town Kita cares so little about the lynch. Part 2: Kita's case on me I have already explained why having the checks is important and far better. Also I want everyone to understand that I put shady, experienced players on the check roles because I wanted to fucking deny them roles. I wanted them to just become MC at random. But more importantly, even if he doesn't agree with me, it doesn't make me mafia. Nothing he says in the first part of the case makes me mafia. Again a bunch of plan talk, none of which makes me mafia. So finally, here is the part that actually "makes me mafia". Notice how he wrote a massive case and nothing in it was actually about me being mafia. It was just a giant argument that his clearly shitty plan was somehow better than mine because it gave scummy people roles. My plan focused exactly on getting town as many blue roles as possible I just didn't want scum to get them too!There is literally no way kita believes that me being convinced that my plan is better like this somehow means I'm mafia. It's entirely possible he's bad and genuinely (irrelevant of his alignment) thinks that his plan is better, but there is no way he believes it makes me mafia. It was a giant ass fake case based on nothing. Literally flinging shit to see if it sticks. Also, just like the Vivax read, I don't feel like he made a strong push to actually lynch me. In fact I don't think Kita has passionately pushed anyone this game. It's just some shitty lists of 3-5 people thrown together as maybe mafia. Part 3: Various other things
Part 4: Suggestions on how to deal with Kita in the future if I'm dead
I hope you all enjoyed my case on Kitaman27. He is always mafia this game no matter what he says. If this game ends and he's still alive there will be killings. Good Luck! Well, not sure I like the introduction. Sounds a bit like a fear read... but then again: after remembering that kita was JudgeJudy I can agree that he is pretty damn good. xD Translation: 1) Don't like whoever wrote the case 2) Palmar, literally the most experienced player on TL Mafia, is making a "fear read". Which is of course bullshit. 3) But then again, fuck everything I just said because I'm afraid of kita (the irony) Literally, nothing. On January 24 2016 02:49 disformation wrote: Part 1 Hmm... still not sure about this one. Yes, the claim is a bit odd, but I don't think it is as scum indicating as you make it out to be. Looked through his filter with a strg+f on vivax and he was digging up stuff on Vivax like this post: Translation: 1) I don't think this makes Kita mafia 2) I don't even know what Palmar is talking about (the timing is important in my case, so he goes to find some shitty quote that happened out of the timeline I was talking about and convinces himself with it). So in summary, nothing. On January 24 2016 02:49 disformation wrote: Part 2 At the time I thought this is probably town on town having a different opinion about which plan is better, especially since kitaman's suggestions sounded reasonable to me. Reading his case on you again, it looks pretty bad. I'm going to summarize the analysis disformation did in this part. [/Quote]it looks pretty bad.[/QUOTE] That's it, no reasons why and nothing about it. Just "pretty bad". On January 24 2016 02:49 disformation wrote: Part 3 Well, I don't know how invested a town!kitaman is, so not sure about most of these points. Can agree that his recent list had a lack of wow, impact or strong conclusions. He doesn't know if the points are valid. Kita's list lacks wow On January 24 2016 02:49 disformation wrote: Soo... overall these things start to add up. Like taken alone I don't think these points are like slamdunk scum, but considering that kitaman27 is apparently pretty damn good at this game, we probably won't get much slamdunk from him, should he indeed be scum. Looking at his answers now, but I think at least a scum lean is warranted and I will consider voting him tomorrow. (and/or use other measures you recommend in Part 4  )And finally, after discrediting half the points of the case he agrees with me anyway. Because who cares. As an alternative, I'll show you how townies (and real people) respond to a case like this: On January 24 2016 00:47 Koshi wrote: tldr: leave kitaman alive and congratulate him endgame with his superb mafia play. sarcasm more sarcasm On January 24 2016 01:51 CopCake wrote: Palmar is awesome, his list of how to deal with Kita draw a huge smile on my face. Thinks I'm awesome ie: people who are real, see this case and kita's fail defense of it, and barely care. Disformation saw an opportunity to post a long waffling shitpost about nothing in particular while disagreeing with himself and giving kita a scumread that disfo never again cared about in history of the universe. Disfo is 100% mafia. | ||
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On January 29 2016 22:54 Koshi wrote: Just read Keir his filter again. Dude has 0% chance to be mafia. Last time I was on drugs. to be fair you're bad. But on the other hand, I like you. so idk | ||
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On January 30 2016 02:21 Tictock wrote: Why are Rels and Keir unlikely? I'm really loosing faith in my read in you the more you go on about "SL has to be scum with Onegu" and stuff like this post without giving any reasoning to back it up. Koshi is tonally and emotionally very, very unlikely to be mafia. If he is, he has taken his mafia game up several levels. It's completely unprecedented for him to play this way. | ||
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Lord make me a QT, I'll shine down on my brother he'll know I'm safe up there when he lynches all my killers oh, and, scum ain't always who you think they ought to be, no ain't even grey, but we buried VA The sharp knife of a short life Oh well, I've had just enough time If I die young... + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:27 Rels wrote: Ok my reads are super bad this game ... I bluffed my prots. I only protected superbia. He wasn't attacked. All protection lists from the start of the game pls. | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:38 sicklucker wrote: so why did keir die over rels? they both have strong powers but rels is townread... So rels is probably mafia. Like it makes no sense that rels wouldnt be targeted last night as town since hes are fucking medic this is terrible argument and I think I'm voting you today. RIP KOSHIER | ||
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Superbia Sicklucker Rels Palmar I keep getting tonally wrong things from sicklucker, but he also keeps doing the right thing if he is mafia. For example, he finds it scummy that I keep waffling on him, when a guilt-inspired mafia probably wouldn't. So it's down to: copcake tictock shining | ||
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On January 30 2016 22:24 Rels wrote: It's super tempting to flip copcake, end of sentence. GB is like 99% scum it's not worth it to flip copcake just to verify; but we need to kill her 'cause she's still useless. See this is not necessary, really. I have no tonal reason to think she's mafia. Although of course her activity points towards it. The point is, if GB was mafia and we hit mafia today, KP should go down to 1. If it remains 2, GB was town. So the best course of action, even for information, is to find mafia and lynch it. Tonight we had 2 kp, so that means the 4(5) mafia who flipped were not 4 on the same team. The most likely option of flipped mafia (right now) is: Vivax Disfo Kita Onegu FF (GB??) This means no matter which team we kill mafia from, kp should go down to 1 and we should be in splendid shape. In any case, I really, really think Keirathi's case on Tictock was actually quite good. I am going to sheep it today and kill TT. | ||
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I do not have an overly strong conviction someone is mafia right now. There's no 100% mafia player right now. Keirathi is a good player though and he seemed very convinced TT is scum. I read his case and I think it is good. Generally it's a good idea to sheep very convinced good townies who sound like they're making sense. Unless someone has a slam dunk mafia case this is by far our best play right now. | ||
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On January 31 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote: I'm going to do some work. Most important fact today: At least 1 mafia in: - Myself - Rels - Palmar - The shining I'm going to make a wild assumption and assume that disfo was with one of the others. why is this true btw? | ||
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On January 31 2016 05:37 Superbia wrote: ? It actually brings you back on the discussion board rels. We know there that it's likely 1v1 mafia today. We know it's likely (imo), that disfo carried the KP for his team yesterday. So: - Assuming disfo was in team A: SL, Copcake and ticktock are never on team B. Which translate to only 1 mafia at most in that group. So for sure at least 1 mafia in: - Myself - Rels - Palmar - The Shining I honestly think it's 1 and it's the shining at this point, but I have backup KP in case. I do not understand this at all. | ||
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5v1v1 (GB was mafia) 5v2v0 (GB was mafia) 4v2v1 4v3v0 It's possible disfo was the last remaining scum on his team, delivering their last KP. I think it's more likely we're in either 5v1v1 or 4v2v1, but that doesn't really matter. we know that copcake and sl were "roleblocked". This, especially the sl part as koshi didn't claim the rb, should be taken with a grain of salt. But even that result isn't that exciting because it means one of the following people must have delivered a kp. palmar rels shining disfo superbia tictock which is a pretty hefty list. | ||
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On January 31 2016 08:57 CopCake wrote: I am here now And why would i kill keirathi? -____- i mean if i was mafia i would not send actions and let people tinfoil but even that woulent even happen because a missed kill and stuff so yeah. And all game i havent said a fucking lie i am busy, wanted to quit didnt even pick a role and i let you use my kill. You asked me stuff I answer so if the case is "cake is useless and havent done shit" excuse me you are just wrong. The keirathi thing means two things to me since i know i am town: 1.- mafia wanted to frame me And 2.- mafia didnt want town to know i am town. I am pretty much the easiest misslynch with all the players that are alive. this is a pretty scummy post. | ||
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On January 31 2016 21:05 Superbia wrote: I think it leaves copcake off the table for today. And I think it kind confirms SL as being town, because I think he would always have carried the KP for his team last night with the track threat we had lying around. It also fits that koshi would rb sl, and his reaction today was sort of towny | ||
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superbia Palmar sicklucker copcake this leaves: rels tictock shining disformation Of these four, I would by far want to kill tictock the most. because of a few reasons. Rels has activity and usefulness on his side. Shining just soudns like he's town when I open his filter tictock is very neutral and forgettable. In addition, Keirathi genuinely believed his case on tictock, it was a good case he seemed passionate about. It's much better than me wifom lynching someone else. Like there is no way for me to be 100% sure on every mafia in the game, so I'm more than willing to admit that someone who is basically just null to me might be mafia if another good townie says he must be. It's educated sheeping at it's finest. So yeah, let's kill tictock and see where that takes us. | ||
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On January 31 2016 22:10 Palmar wrote: essentially, I think we have confirmed mafia in: rels tictock shining This assumes, of course, that my townreads on superbia and I are correct. essentially, this assumption is based on the following things. There were 2kp somewhere in: disfo sl copcake palmar superbia shining rels tictock. Remove strong townreads and that leaves: disfo sl copcake shining rels tictock remove confirmed (or very likely) roleblocks: disfo shining rels tictock And there we go. 2 of those 4 people delivered a kp. It's very likely one of those was disfo, but the other kp is in there somewhere. | ||
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I don't quite understand the kenpachi role. Is there really a good chance TT was roleblocked last night? Because that would be extremely useful information. Although I think the solution is simple. If TT somehow flips town, you shooot into rels/shining and the other gets lynched the following day for confirmed mafia. | ||
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On February 01 2016 03:23 Tictock wrote: We did get confirmation of GB's role btw, just not his alignment. But since nobody is willing to talk to me and just voting me anyways, I'm out. Did you get roleblocked last night? | ||
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On February 01 2016 05:51 Tictock wrote: I'm still pretty much at only wanting to lynch Rels or Cake. If nothing else hopefully Super shoots one of those 2 if you guys lynch me. I'm also sticking with my initial target for the Ban, I'll announce it near EoD if I can step off the floor for a sec at work. Why not shining? | ||
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On February 01 2016 05:51 Tictock wrote: I'm still pretty much at only wanting to lynch Rels or Cake. If nothing else hopefully Super shoots one of those 2 if you guys lynch me. I'm also sticking with my initial target for the Ban, I'll announce it near EoD if I can step off the floor for a sec at work. You need to ban rels | ||
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On February 01 2016 06:52 Tictock wrote: I think he's town. Why do you guys think he's mafia? Ban player either takes the RB or they have no vote tomorrow, one or the other has to happen. I don't really think he's mafia. But the options is this. Superbia and I are not getting lynched. If one of us is mafia the game is over. there were 2 mafia kp last night. 1 was likely by disfo. CC couldn't have delivered 1, because she would have been roleblocked if she tracked mafia delivering a kp. sl claims a roleblock, which can be explained by koshi. you claim a roleblock, which can be explained by the vanilla virus. This leaves ONLY 2 people: shining rels One of which must have delivered the other mafia KP. (unless one of the roleblocks is a lie). Shining has like... 6 pages of filter, rels has 22 or something. There is a very good statistical reason to lynch shining over rels. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:01 sicklucker wrote: I THINK THE BEST PLAY IS TO LYNCH RELS AND ROLEBLOCK SHINING. but thats me and im sure it wont be popular. Its risky to leave rels alive because he can save himself you know what, screw it. let's lynch rels for no good reason. | ||
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1. you MUST use your ability on shining. 2. shining MUST accept the roleblock. if he hasn't we lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:08 sicklucker wrote: why would you sheep a good dead townie when you can sheep a good alive townie? :D No, but idk. This kind of sucks. Koshi was also sure tictock is mafia. I'm so fucking worried that I'm somehow misunderstanding the roles. I _think_ this play is beyond the mafia game of both of yall so who knows. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:26 The Shining wrote: I don't think TT said which one Damdred picked, so I dont think so well, you would be notified if he didn't get a vote or if he controlled your vote right? please figure it out | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:27 Rels wrote: TT s claim is confirmed right ? Sl claim makes sense I believe it so thusly you believe shining is confirmed scum to you? why haven't you been trying to lynch him today? | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:46 sicklucker wrote: acualy this is what rels town pov should be like. "sl and copcaked are roleblocked I town read palmar/super so theres only two mafia left in shining/ticktock. Like this should be rels easy perspective here but im not hearing alot about it He also believes TT is confirmed roleblocked. so it's literally just shining | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:46 Rels wrote: Because I read his filter and I don't think he's scum. When he should be confirmed ... Hold on im writing something that could explain it. no there is no other option from your pov. | ||
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No there isn't. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:53 Rels wrote: Yes. I think TT and copcake are scum. I think disfo shot koshi and TT /copcake was rb (unless they are in the same team) THEN WHO SHOT KEIRATHI? | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:54 sicklucker wrote: lynching rels is acualy a garbage plan tho if we cant confirm shining acepts the roleblock. ill try to do such doesn't matter, then we shoot shining anyway | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:54 Rels wrote: You are. Listen, I understand your pov. I should be convinced that shining is scum. I don't think he is though, do I think this other possibility is what happened. Disfo shot koshi, koshi hadd put a bomb on keir n2 so keit explodes TT and copcake are scum did koshi breadcrumb or claim that? | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:58 Rels wrote: I asked you a question before I think. What did koshi do n2 ? I don't care and you're the one getting lynched. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:01 Rels wrote: I dont care town doesn't lose as long as you hit scum with cpr. Did you read my post ? N2 koshi either rb alot or plant a bomb on keirathi. There is no other possibility as no one claimed a rb. Sure. Koshi is not dumb enough to kill keirathi, he was much more sure about sl. | ||
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On January 26 2016 19:24 Koshi wrote: Rels what are your strong townreads? I need to use my rb on somebody. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:11 Rels wrote: Why am I getting lynched btw ? Palmar sl shining I want to know your reasons Because, just like you, I townread shining. Thus, you must be mafia. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:14 Rels wrote: Ok I accept the townread on shining. Why what is what I'm saying not making sense about koshi action on n2 ? Am I missing something ? Cause it looks like there is a kp missing if I'm right Because it's too tinfoily and why on earth would koshi bomb keirathi of all people. | ||
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I'm so fucking uncertain. Rels is not wrong, koshi did not say what he did n2 as I can find. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:24 Rels wrote: That feels so good to hear that I feel I have a super hard time explaining what seem super logical to me No your explanation is fine. But a much simpler explanation is that koshi randomly roleblocked scum or something (like disfo) who didn't carry kp and that guy didn't claim it and koshi didn't really think about it. or that he blocked alot, of course. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:31 sicklucker wrote: rels this is a more logical explination. both super and rels killed disinfo. Like this makes so much more sense then what your going on about. Stacked kills that's too many kp | ||
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I'm going to stay on rels as a revenge for him disagreeing with me on kita day 1. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:40 Superbia wrote: Palmar if you end up being mafia I'm going to cry for a week. I'm pretty sure you're not though. ditto, but there is literally no way for me to play like this as mafia | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:40 Rels wrote: Fuck you. Don't you dare kill shining if I die. Copcake and TT are scum Next time agree with me from the start. Hell you even tried to argue kita's plan improvements were good. | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:56 Rels wrote: That was a fun game but I don't understand why I'm lynched so often these last games  This game you can blame koshi. if the dude seriously left a bomb on his townread and told no one that is some next level shit play. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:01 sicklucker wrote: Rels is such a good scum player tho. I remembered this and thats the only reason i didnt waver yeah, all the other flipped scum have been fairly shit, he was very, very good. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:02 Superbia wrote: Honestly for me the reason was him bringing up all kinds of logic all of a sudden when he's getting lynched while he could've been bringing that shit up all day. yeah that, and unlike you or koshi I had gotten weird feelings from him throughout the game, but never enough to act on it. I said at some point he might be mafia. I am almost 100% certain this is a mafia team: Vivax Kita Rels Disfo | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:05 sicklucker wrote: Well if theres 1 mafia or a team of 2 mafia left we have auto I believe more or less. I half expect the game to be ending how do we have auto? we still have to find the last mafia. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:08 The Shining wrote: That's what I said. I find it funny I've been borderline useless all game but I've voted every scum and my reads weren't bad. Just wish I had more time you got TT's thing? will you roleblock yourself tonight? | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:13 Tictock wrote: I really doubt that given the interactions I pointed out between Rels and Damdred. Also how mad would you have been if I left my Ban on you Palmar? pretty mad it'd be terrible play. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:13 Superbia wrote: I'll be leaving a legacy and how I believe the game can be solved right before EoN. Palmar should do the same. will do. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:16 The Shining wrote: I can confirm I got the ban. I will be taking the RB and won't have a vote tomorrow. I'm town vig with no shots, there's literally no reason not to. Inb4 scum no shoots and pushes me Lmao I'd be fine with that. If you're town, you'd make yourself unlynchable (by being townie) and scum would lose kp. I think we even gain mislynch from it if it's actually 5v1 now | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:18 sicklucker wrote: (also no ones giving up im scared) is me all along | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:24 sicklucker wrote: Wait if rels/disinfo are a team. that means me/cc/tt cant be mafia? unless were a team of two with shining maybe we just ignore that stupid vote thing and shoot shining. I wanted to ask ticktock to change his na but he was not around. I think this flip just means its shining.. ACUALY ISINT THE LAST MAFIA JUST SHINING? if he is we can use our free mislynch on him tomorrow because he will be taking a roleblock. | ||
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On February 01 2016 09:25 sicklucker wrote: I think we just shoot shining man... the team palmar said makes alot of sense. which means rel/dis delievered 1 kp. which meand one of shining/palmar/super delivered the other kp. Which means it was shining kinda scummy you think my guesswork team means this. | ||
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1 with superbia's shot today, and 1 with the lynch tomorrow. superbia and I are off the table. This means that we have two opportunities to shoot into the other 4 people and get it right. Killing for information is not an option. That being said cc is a good kill too to hit mafia. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:02 sicklucker wrote: super you played insanely well UNTILL LYLO then you just screamed scum but I didnt wanna pull the trigger There is literally no way mafia does not shoot superbia, thus giving town an extra kp. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:06 The Shining wrote: Actually nah I can't contain it. SL you are the most amazing town thrower for this one. You deserve every bit of blame. Especially for the fact that you treated me like since shit since d1, acting like you are some pro always right town God. Good fucking job dude No there's been much worse. It's better to have tried and failed than to have not tried at all. He tried to think about the game, he really wanted to figure it out, he just couldn't do it. I have much more respect for that than people who refuse to reevaluate and think in lylo, even if he ended up wrong. By the way, some fantastic play by you and especially tictock near the end of the game. You both did very, very well. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote: but theres two mafia teams. if both are thinking it can happen that they think the other team will shoot him and dont want to stack I would never risk it. But fair enough. Btw, suggestion for future lylos, work out the mechanics immediately, you worried way too much about random scenarios involving roleblocks, some guy shooting in the night etc. Just figure out that it's 3v1, and you simply lynch the scummiest guy with absolutely no regard to roles or the game going on. You aim to end the game RIGHT THERE. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:09 sicklucker wrote: i doubt anyone blames me much. you didnt play great and i was mostly just spite not giving you the mafia win ;p He actually played really, really well as town. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:12 Superbia wrote: Palmar man, I was so expecting you to hard talk me out of dreamflower. When you came in with this lazy attitude I was so scared. :D well played dude. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:13 Koshi wrote: wp superbia. But tbh. FUCKING WELL PLAYED TOWN. We deserved the win a tiny bit. 4 correct lynches, 3 vigi shots correct (although 2 performed by scum, they were 100% directed by town). Then we lost on a mislynch. multi-family games are weird. | ||
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