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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 12 2016 23:22 GMT
#17
Ahhh I'm a sucker for awesome themed games. I know I have school and I totally shouldn't do this, but fk it..

/in
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 13 2016 00:40 GMT
#28
I think I still have some GreYMisT points from ages ago. Do those things have an expiration date!?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 13 2016 00:56 GMT
#30
Aww, I went to find them and I guess I misplaced them. Shucks
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 14 2016 20:52 GMT
#108
Or...you could have just made the role list rectangle bigger???
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 15 2016 16:29 GMT
#121
Cupcake <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 18 2016 03:26 GMT
#145
The actual game doesn't start until Wednesday, iirc. There is a 24 hour number drafting phase, then a 24 hour role drafting phase. Can you at least send in your picks for those phases?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 18 2016 21:38 GMT
#182
Oh yea?

Well I built this city.

(On rockkkkk and rollllllll)
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 18 2016 21:54 GMT
#190
Nuuu Cupcake
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 18 2016 22:20 GMT
#196
Hmm, couple of questions.

For City Councilman, it says "If the mayor ever gets dealt KP, it will be redirected to you instead." rather than "targetted by KP", so if a doctor saves the mayor on the same night that he gets targetted by KP, the councilman wouldn't get hit with the KP, correct?


For Sy N Tist's parity check, what things count as different parity? Do different mafia teams have different parity? Mafia vs 3rd party? Or only Town vs Not-Town?



Seems like I had another when I was rereading through all the roles but I can't remember it so it must not have been that important.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 18 2016 23:44 GMT
#201
Sweet Mary Mother of Jesus, I'm town baby.

I'm picking [1,1]. Anyone who counterpicks me is claiming scum and will be 100% lynched. GG GL Fellas.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 18 2016 23:45 GMT
#209
On January 19 2016 08:44 Tictock wrote:
I don't think Onegu has the stones.

I'm going for 1:1


On January 19 2016 08:44 Superbia wrote:
[1,1]. Picking dreamflower.


Too slow, pick again.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:08 GMT
#232
On January 19 2016 08:47 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 08:44 Keirathi wrote:
Sweet Mary Mother of Jesus, I'm town baby.

I'm picking [1,1]. Anyone who counterpicks me is claiming scum and will be 100% lynched. GG GL Fellas.



already called it pre game its mine


Pre-game shit don't mean anything

And who cares if you're having surgery. (Well, I mean I care and I hope everything is alright. I just mean it's not relevant to the discussion). You're here now, you can change!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:10 GMT
#235
Also FWIW, I'd recommend townies at least fucking LOOK at picking defensive roles. I know picking some kind of vig is fun at all, but there's probably going to be 6+ KP flying around N1. There's a balance between denying mafia roles like CPR Doc and keeping townies alive.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:12 GMT
#238
On January 19 2016 09:10 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 19 2016 08:47 Onegu wrote:
On January 19 2016 08:44 Keirathi wrote:
Sweet Mary Mother of Jesus, I'm town baby.

I'm picking [1,1]. Anyone who counterpicks me is claiming scum and will be 100% lynched. GG GL Fellas.



already called it pre game its mine


Pre-game shit don't mean anything

And who cares if you're having surgery. (Well, I mean I care and I hope everything is alright. I just mean it's not relevant to the discussion). You're here now, you can change!



Once again against my moral code


'Tis okay bay-bay, we can share the 1s.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:25 GMT
#252
On January 19 2016 09:15 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:10 Keirathi wrote:
Also FWIW, I'd recommend townies at least fucking LOOK at picking defensive roles. I know picking some kind of vig is fun at all, but there's probably going to be 6+ KP flying around N1. There's a balance between denying mafia roles like CPR Doc and keeping townies alive.


Pffft, yea if you care about winning.

Clearly game is actually about picking the dopest role to prove your skills.

Though if you wanna get your medic on that's cool.


Heh, last PYP game I played in, I picked Cop and got green check on a controversial player, figured out who the inventor was, got in a 3 game day argument with geript because he was bad, and figured out why Bill Murray was scum despite the role he claimed.

You can prove your skill, and even have fun doing it, without a KP role
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:30 GMT
#263
On January 19 2016 09:27 Koshi wrote:
I was the inventor. If it was WoS his game.

No it was BC's Boardwalk Empire. Sn0_Man was hte inventor.

On January 19 2016 09:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:25 Keirathi wrote:
On January 19 2016 09:15 Tictock wrote:
On January 19 2016 09:10 Keirathi wrote:
Also FWIW, I'd recommend townies at least fucking LOOK at picking defensive roles. I know picking some kind of vig is fun at all, but there's probably going to be 6+ KP flying around N1. There's a balance between denying mafia roles like CPR Doc and keeping townies alive.


Pffft, yea if you care about winning.

Clearly game is actually about picking the dopest role to prove your skills.

Though if you wanna get your medic on that's cool.


Heh, last PYP game I played in, I picked Cop and got green check on a controversial player, figured out who the inventor was, got in a 3 game day argument with geript because he was bad, and figured out why Bill Murray was scum despite the role he claimed.

You can prove your skill, and even have fun doing it, without a KP role


"im so good at mafia guys look at me wowe."


Touche.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:31 GMT
#265
On January 19 2016 09:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
But secret paladin is the most fun class to play!
D:

Only if you're a godless heathen.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:48 GMT
#275
Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:53 GMT
#282
Yea, anyone who claims dreamflower can be verified by day 2. Although with there being 2 scum factions, it doesn't necessarily mean they can't be scum, but it is pretty unlikely.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 00:56 GMT
#284
On January 19 2016 09:51 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed.


Holy shit that's actually huge.

I think Watson claims d2.

Wat.

Why would he claim day 2? Yea, it can tell sherlock/moriarty their sanity, but it also denies him the chance to save more people and the sanity information can always be given out later or even after one or both of the others dies.

It's a really strong role. No need to neuter it on day 2 for no reason :\
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 04:00 GMT
#307
On January 19 2016 12:22 Onegu wrote:
So Keirathi just try me. I dare you.

I already sent mine in too. Guess you'll just have to shoot me.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 04:04 GMT
#311
FWIW I'm going to pick what I want to pick. What I want to pick will, of course, change based on where I'm at in the order, but I'm a smart enough guy that I can make the decision for myself, and I'll reveal it when the time is right to reveal it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 04:42 GMT
#317
There are only 20 unique first numbers, and 22 players, so there is going to be some overlap.

Might as well be me overlapping with Onegu. He's giving himself an excuse already to take an awful shot on me. So we can see if he has the balls to scumclaim in the thread and actually do it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 04:52 GMT
#319
On January 19 2016 13:43 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 13:42 Keirathi wrote:
There are only 20 unique first numbers, and 22 players, so there is going to be some overlap.

Might as well be me overlapping with Onegu. He's giving himself an excuse already to take an awful shot on me. So we can see if he has the balls to scumclaim in the thread and actually do it.

Anyone's posts stick out to you?

Not super much. You know that's not really what I'm good at :p

Koshi's entrance and "dumb tell" things kind of piqued my interest but it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him.

Seemed like there was something else earlier that rubbed me slightly wrong but not overly so, but I can't remember what it was and I don't have time to go find it right now. Must not have been too important anyways.

Other than that, like half of the people in the game haven't even posted yet.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 05:01 GMT
#320
Oh wait, I remember what it was.

On January 19 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote:
In all seriousness we will not have 3 or whatever people claiming [1,1] by end of this phase. I will decide the towniest person to take the [1,1] spot near end of phase. If I find [1,x]s at the bottom of the list I will shoot into them.


Who made him the judge, jury, and executioner? But he's claiming to pick dreamflower, so either he's dead by day 2, kills a scum, or we lynch him for lying. So no need to really worry about him.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 05:14 GMT
#322
On January 19 2016 14:10 geript wrote:
Interesting but meh IMO.

Aye, I just in general don't like when people set themselves up with free excuses to do anti-town things at some point later down the line.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 05:35 GMT
#323
One last thing before I slepe

On January 19 2016 10:09 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:50 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 19 2016 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Kita: I had Watson as one of the more powerful roles. At least medium tier? Doc with the upside of getting all the cop checks when moriarty or holmes dies assuming they breadcrumbed.


Ah yeah I missed the doc part.

On January 19 2016 09:45 Tictock wrote:
On January 19 2016 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Setup speculation time (first person to wine about this gets mafia points!)


What will I be spending my mafia points on?

Kus I kinda don't like this post...


Sadly nothing, but you're welcome to elaborate.


I really hate the idea of mass claims, I don't see that helping at all. With a few exceptions roles are really alignment indicative imo so claims only give mafia targeting priority.

I'm not sure I like a lot of your list, but tbh I have no real opinions regarding the role picking stuff.

You couldn't be bothered to figure out the Werner Von Braun role.

I kinda get the sense that your tryharding to look friendly and helpful here. Possibly NAI, but I'm not letting you fool me like in New Personality.


I don't understand the bolded part. Can you explain it better? If the roles themselves are really alignment indicative, then claiming them would help town out immensely since we're the ones with the information disadvantage.

(Also, FWIW, basically every large themed game that I can remember has some down to some sort of mass claiming at some point in the game. Not necessarily D1 or D2, but by like D3 or so, people have made enough actions that claims are abundant and the game gets solved based on figuring out who's lying about their role and not so much about who is playing scummy or townie.)
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 05:50 GMT
#325
Sure, it fucked with it more than normal. But I don't think it necessarily invalidates claiming as a strategy.

I mean, since I was already talking about Boardwalk earlier, which was another PYP game that heavily fucked with claiming with the extra class-based powers or whatever they were called. The Bill Murray thing where we got him to claim Injustice Vig. Then we figured out he was scum because his actions didn't make sense despite the role he claimed being a typically town role.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 13:47 GMT
#398
I'm still picking 1,1 btw. Partly to deny first pick to onegu, partly because there are only 20 first numbers but 22 people so SOMEONE has to overlap, and partly because I don't particularly care where I am in the draft order.

I'm headed to school soon though and won't be back until ~an hour before deadline.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 14:05 GMT
#402
I don't really think Ezio is that good, even for Mafia. Why strip one personof their power when there are plenty of other roles that would let you kill them plus do other stuff /shrug
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:09 GMT
#440
On January 20 2016 00:16 Rels wrote:
Keirathi bro when you're around, can you answer this:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 23:04 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 13:52 Keirathi wrote:
Koshi's entrance and "dumb tell" things kind of piqued my interest but it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him.

People always doubt dumbtells, but I've never seen mafia fake them. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm also sure it is super unlikely. What do you mean " it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him" ? Is he known for making fake dumbtells ?


I just meant that koshi is one of those kinds of players that does things that I generally find scummy whether he is town or scum, so I have a hard time reading him.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:21 GMT
#446
On January 20 2016 02:16 Superbia wrote:
Keith what's your read on Onegu?

He literally hasn't said anything except what numbers he was picking and that he was going to shoot me if I pick 1,1 with him.

I don't trust him enough to give him 1,1 for free, but I'm curious if he'll have the cojones to actually shoot me.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:30 GMT
#455
Maybe very slightly scum, but not even enough to worry about. Just not shitting townie rainbows enough for me to give him free first pick.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:31 GMT
#457
On January 20 2016 02:29 sicklucker wrote:
Wait so onegu says he will shoot you if you pick the same number as him which makes you both vt. Your afraid of it? am I missing something here? Are you guys enemy scum factions? rofl

What? Picking the same number doesn't have anything to do with what role you get. Just what order you get to pick your role in.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:33 GMT
#460
On January 20 2016 02:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 02:09 Keirathi wrote:
On January 20 2016 00:16 Rels wrote:
Keirathi bro when you're around, can you answer this:
On January 19 2016 23:04 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 13:52 Keirathi wrote:
Koshi's entrance and "dumb tell" things kind of piqued my interest but it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him.

People always doubt dumbtells, but I've never seen mafia fake them. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm also sure it is super unlikely. What do you mean " it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him" ? Is he known for making fake dumbtells ?


I just meant that koshi is one of those kinds of players that does things that I generally find scummy whether he is town or scum, so I have a hard time reading him.

Do you think the dumbtell was scummy ?

Not the dumbtell itself, but the rest of the content in the post. "Hey guys I'm not going to try so leave me alive forever, k" or whatever it was he said.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:33 GMT
#461
On January 20 2016 02:32 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 12:20 Onegu wrote:
1,1 has been locked in 100% and I am getting off here as I have to be up at 5 am EST... I called it and if you send me to the back I will attempt to get a day vig role and 1000000000000000000000000000% shoot you in the face.

And yeah I am that type of person. Ask people who have played with me if you dont know.


.....

So how does onegu think hes gonna get a day vig when hes gonna be vt and treatened to waste his dayvig out of spite id he recieves it.

I mean I sapose mafia could send him one if your town but this is so stupid... im not communicating with onegu anymore

What the fuck are you even talking about rofl.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 17:34 GMT
#463
SL:

Picking the same numbers doesn't mean you're a VT. It just means your picking order gets moved down the list. Also, there aren't even any fucking VTs in this game, wtf.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 19 2016 23:40 GMT
#576
You guys do realize that everyone can't have a unique number right? There has to be SOME overlap.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 20 2016 01:17 GMT
#704
Sup, I'm home from school.

Good to see I got first pick.

I"m going to pick one of Link, CPR Doc, Moriarty, or Nigella.

Catching up now.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 20 2016 01:20 GMT
#709
I'm going to pick what I want to pick whatever you say, so lol.

I'm either going to pick a super good town role, or deny a super good mafia role. End of story.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 20 2016 01:25 GMT
#716
On January 20 2016 10:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 10:20 Keirathi wrote:
I'm going to pick what I want to pick whatever you say, so lol.

I'm either going to pick a super good town role, or deny a super good mafia role. End of story.

wait... why wouldn't you want to work as a team?

I didn't say I wouldn't work as a team. But I specifically joined a PYP game and rolled 1,1 because I wanted to pick what role I wanted to pick, not for someone else to pick my role for me.

So...sorry, not sorry. I'm perfectly capable of playing without being babysat.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 20 2016 01:29 GMT
#720
On January 20 2016 10:21 Palmar wrote:
do you think I'm bad at organizing shit keirathi? or do you just think I'm mafia?

I'm genuinely trying to good shit here.

I don't think you're bad at organizing shit, and at this point I don't have any reason to think you're mafia. But I'm still not picking dreamflower ever because I'm not stupid enough to think I can hit mafia every night, and gambler is awful and I'm certianly not picking that.

I've literally claimed I was picking 1,1 since the first post of the game. You agreed with damdred's list that had me as his highest town read. If you didn't agree, you should have picked a 1, /shrug.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 20 2016 01:57 GMT
#737
On January 20 2016 10:32 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 10:25 Keirathi wrote:
On January 20 2016 10:21 Palmar wrote:
On January 20 2016 10:20 Keirathi wrote:
I'm going to pick what I want to pick whatever you say, so lol.

I'm either going to pick a super good town role, or deny a super good mafia role. End of story.

wait... why wouldn't you want to work as a team?

I didn't say I wouldn't work as a team. But I specifically joined a PYP game and rolled 1,1 because I wanted to pick what role I wanted to pick, not for someone else to pick my role for me.

So...sorry, not sorry. I'm perfectly capable of playing without being babysat.

If you pick CPR doc, I will lynch you.

that's simple as that.

So, make a case as to what role you should get to pick, and I'll consider it.

You've tried lynching me before. Haven't succeeded yet. I'm up for a challenge.

TBH this is the kind of thing that makes me WANT to pick CPR Doc. The fact that you want it so much makes me want to deny it from you even more because I know 100% that I'm town.

But I already said I'm picking one of Moriarty, CPR, or Link. Add in House too, I forgot about that one.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 02:23 GMT
#754
On January 20 2016 11:21 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote:
Sup, I'm home from school.

Good to see I got first pick.

I"m going to pick one of Link, CPR Doc, Moriarty, or Nigella.

Catching up now.


Humm I actually don't like this post though.

Not the reaction I'd expect from someone who got 1st pick expecting to be sniping someone who hard claimed 1:1.


Wat. Onegu posted saying he was backing out of 1,1. I wasn't surprised or anything.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 02:53 GMT
#772
Someone talk to me about Damdred.

That dude is totally scum.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 02:57 GMT
#775
On January 20 2016 11:55 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 11:53 Keirathi wrote:
Someone talk to me about Damdred.

That dude is totally scum.


I doubt it, but could look through his filter.

What makes you think this?

Mostly the fact that he's been here posting but hasn't actually said anything. Threw out a list of town reads without any explanations. Etc.

I mean, I just did some periphery glancing through his recent games and it seems pretty not-Damdred like.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 03:15 GMT
#780
On January 20 2016 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 11:53 Keirathi wrote:
Someone talk to me about Damdred.

That dude is totally scum.


I had a slight town read because he brought up to super thing with dreamflower. He misread the post, but the idea seemed towny with suspicion over a player who discussed an obviously pro-town role without showing much intention to actually pick it as if he was making a play for town cred. I'd think that was a valid reason to suspect super, if it weren't for the fact that his other actions make him look pretty townie.

Damdred's content is lackluster otherwise though. What makes you so sure?


Fair point.

I'm not actually really sure or anything, my gut just says Damdred generally oozes townie to me and I'm not feeling it this game.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:14 GMT
#817
sicklucker are you sure you sent in to both hosts that you were picking 12?

Becuase if you assume that your pick is still 6,1, then the draft order makes sense.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:15 GMT
#820
What I mean is, you picking 6,1 and Onegu picking 6,1 would put both of you behind The Shining who picked 6,3. Then Cake and GB being at the end without picking any numbers makes sense too.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:18 GMT
#826
On January 20 2016 13:16 The Shining wrote:
Actually, SL and Onegu HAVE to be 6,1. SL didn't pick 12, he couldn't have. Because I picked 6,3. If ONLY Onegu or ONLY SL picked 6,1, they would be ahead of me. But both of them picking 6,1 would put them behind me because they doubled up on the second number.

There's no other way I'd be ahead of either of them.

Aye, that was what I was getting at.

And the only reason 6 would be that close tot he bottom would be if more than 2 people picked it. Otherwise if only 2 picked it, it would still be ahead of Ticktock/disformation picking 8s.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:19 GMT
#828
On January 20 2016 13:17 Breshke wrote:
but if shining is 6,3 why is he behind people who overlapped on 9

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN

If 3 people picked 6's (Onegu, sicklucker, Shining), then they would be farther down the list than any other number that only 2 people picked.

And if sicklucker and Onegu both picked 6,1, they would be further down the list than Shining who picked 6,3.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:21 GMT
#832
Yes, basically the drafts are grouped in order of Most Unique to Least Unique first numbers. Then inside each group, they are ordered by Most Unique second number to Least Unique.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:25 GMT
#836
On January 20 2016 13:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 12:58 CopCake wrote:
For @Obiwan

It's the weird way he wrote it, you know tiktok is playing different from the last game I played with him, it's odd, you know some people use a lot of emoticons like me, or write with a lot of onomatopeyas and stuff, some are more calm and like kinda "sophisticated", tiktok is not the kind of person who would use "^-^" felt out of place, like is not him, do you get it?

Idk how else to put it.

Koshi seems like he was angry because the game is unbalanced but then why to play a game you consider is like that hah, it's like he is screaming "hey i am town but shit i am town and since this game is unbalanced it sucks"



Tictock used that exact same smiley in a game we just played together, and he was town.
Even without that little fact, concluding that someone is mafia because they made a smiley is still kind of absurd.

town!marv tried to lynch me once because I used emoticons. Yes, it was absurd.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:39 GMT
#847
On January 20 2016 13:35 CopCake wrote:
And is kinda bothering me how you are nipticking me when there is more things to discuss, like yeah I could get people coming at me for not picking a number because that would solve actually something with facts but you being too pushy for a read that I think is right is kinda "heh"

So now that you want me to be like mega fancy and super logical and stuff, what are your reads so far?

You do those "soul shit" reads as scum too, Cakey poo
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:46 GMT
#849
On January 20 2016 13:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You are the only strange I've seen thing thus far.
I declared a read on Cephiro earlier considering he was playing pretty much as I would expect mafia to play early game - lurky and low-effort.

Otherwise that's it.

Haha wat, that sounds so unnatural.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 04:47 GMT
#850
Also I'm still sad you never said hey to me Cake

I thought I was your favorite!
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 05:24 GMT
#854
Lol nothing, it was just the way you said it.

"I declared a read". Not "Like I said earlier, blah blah" or something. No one talks like that :p
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 06:35 GMT
#863
I think my problem with Damdred is that he's one of my favorite town players because he's....inisghtful? I guess is the worst for it. And he hasn't been so far.

Step it up, Damdy.

Also hey geript, I didn't expect anyone to be around more tonight
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 07:08 GMT
#869
No, GB. Numbers phase is over. You pick a role now, and yes you can still pick a role even though you didn't pick numbers. You just pick last, and if someone above you picked what you pick, you get a random role.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 07:09 GMT
#870
On January 20 2016 16:04 geript wrote:
I'm very serious about picking cpr doc and will lynch anyone above me who grabs it.

There's a reasonably high chance that I pick it, tbh.

Even if I get lynched fo rit, is worth it to deny mafia the free KP, and I know I'll never use it.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 07:12 GMT
#874
Only thing that makes me hesitate is that there are some other really good town roles that could be super fun, they just mean I get NK'd instead of lynched :\
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 07:13 GMT
#876
On January 20 2016 16:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Whats my alignment Keirathi?

You literally haven't posted anything. I'm not a mind reader.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 07:14 GMT
#877
On January 20 2016 16:13 geript wrote:
Either way. CPR doc must claim it ahead of time. That's a role town must know where it is.

Ya, I have school from 12 until deadline tomorrow, so if I'm going to take CPR I'll definitely say it in thread before i leave for school.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 07:56 GMT
#883
On January 20 2016 16:23 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 16:14 Keirathi wrote:
On January 20 2016 16:13 geript wrote:
Either way. CPR doc must claim it ahead of time. That's a role town must know where it is.

Ya, I have school from 12 until deadline tomorrow, so if I'm going to take CPR I'll definitely say it in thread before i leave for school.

Ok well booh but whatever. Who do you want to lynch.

If I had to pick a lynch right this second?

Someone out of Damdred (for reasons I said), maybe Onegu (I think town Onegu would have probably tried to contest me for 1,1. It's weird that he didn't), maybe Cephiro pending reading some of his other games, maybe Cake for the random reads that felt kinda forced.

Then there's the whole host of people who haven't said anything like Vivax, GB, Alot, VA.

But there's still 60+ hours left. There's plenty of time to think about ti more and see what they have to say.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 08:10 GMT
#887
On January 20 2016 16:57 Palmar wrote:
There's something about Keir that I just absolutely hate.


Ouch, man. Hate is a strong word


On January 20 2016 16:57 Palmar wrote:
After all this arguments about CPR doc I think we make superbia pick it. No one is throwing any shade on him being a townread. I think of all the people that aren't me I trust him most and he has pick #2.


I could probably get behind this, though. I definitely trust him more than you and geript.

Anyways like I said, I'll say for sure what I'm doing before I go to school tomorrow. Will give 6+ hours for people to change their roles if needed.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 16:57 GMT
#1050
If superbia is taking cpr doc, then I'm going to random between one of Moriarty, Link, and House.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 17:24 GMT
#1066
On January 21 2016 02:12 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 01:58 Palmar wrote:
On January 21 2016 01:57 Keirathi wrote:
If superbia is taking cpr doc, then I'm going to random between one of Moriarty, Link, and House.

No, you're going to tell us which one you take.

Like I want everyone to understand how terrible it'd be for town if he doesn't tell us because that means townies will be guessing and risking not getting the thing.

Keirathi is 100% mafia.

Holy shitballs get your panties out of a wad. I didn't say I wasn't going to say what role I was taking, I just said I would random between them.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 17:40 GMT
#1069
I'm not bullshitting, I'm just not at home so I'm phonepoating.

And what the fuck is my mafia motivation for making that post, if we assume that I am actually going to say what I picked? Hint: there's not one. Quit being dumb.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 20:01 GMT
#1121
RNG has spoken. I'm sending in House.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 22:09 GMT
#1213
On January 21 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:
Keirathi: I have strong suspicion he is mafia. I do not believe he is posting posts because he wants some information out there, he's just posting to post. I think there is very little information in his filter. I do not believe his post about randoming between 3 roles is genuine and I don't believe his response to my accusation is good. I also don't believe his excuse that "I'm playing a PYP game so I'll pick whatever I please" to not follow along with town plans is any good. In fact, he could have taken the much better route of "hey Palmar, I'll follow along, but I'd really liek to play one of these, is that ok?". No he's forcing confrontation and being a stubborn asshole.

If he wants to play along, I want him to take the Gambler. In any case, he is going to have a strong role and should be an early lynch target.


I literally said with my first post of the game I was picking 1,1. Then I said in my first post after the draft order was announced that I was picking one of Moriarty, CPR, Link, or Nigella. Soon after I dropped Nigella and added House instead.

Then you're like "No, you're picking gambler or dreamflower." You didn't try to talk to me or anything, you just decided I was picking one of those roles. I said I refuse to, and I was still planning to pick one of the ones I mentioned.

Instead of working around that, you keep calling me scum a bunch, then put me in the list and tell me to take gambler again. Despite the fact that i even compromised on CPR and let Superbia take it.

So, yea, I'm being a stubborn asshole because you didn't try to work with me, you wanted to force me tot ake a role I said I refused to pick.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 22:45 GMT
#1262
On January 21 2016 07:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I mean, we can force him to use the role right?
So I shouldn't be too worried and it should be fine if he gets it regardless, but Kei is still picking House which doesn't leave me with much.

You're one of my strongest town reads. Maybe you could take something that's awful if scum gets it and just not use it?

Or if you want to play something fun/actually useful, just regular Doctor could be quite good, especially the weak variant. 1:1 trade is pretty strong.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 22:48 GMT
#1265
On January 21 2016 07:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
He thinks Palmar is scum and then immediately drops it when he gets a good role.

Come on.

And the fact that he's so positive that I'm town. He's been buddying me super hard and it gives me the heebiejeebies.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 22:59 GMT
#1279
Damdred is picking Nigella. If OWS was behind Damdred, I would 100% say to pick it because if Damdred if mafia, it's a pretty weak mafia role so he might just not pick it and it's pretty unlikely anyone else would check it. But meh.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 23:07 GMT
#1290
On January 21 2016 08:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Like, compared to Moriarty, how strong is Nigella in town hands?

Depends on what the skills do, really. Especially Restoration/Immunity.

But the full trio of Moriarty/Watson/Sherlock together is pretty powerful too. Hard to judge which is better without knowing exactly what Nigella can do :\
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 23:10 GMT
#1300
On January 21 2016 08:08 Palmar wrote:
nigella, sy n tist and roles like that are mafia favored


I think Nigella is probably a way stronger town role than mafia role, but probably still good in mafia hands?

Like, it has Watcher, what's probably some kind of Cop, a doc, etc all rolled into one. It's basically a JoaT role, but maybe has some uses for mafia too.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 23:16 GMT
#1320
On January 21 2016 08:11 Palmar wrote:
When I find out which people among those who are just ignoring me (kita, damdred, keirathi etc) are town there's going to be some rage postgame.


Do you think I'm an awful player? Do I know how to read the game, make arguments, use roles effectively, etc? If yes, then why not let me take what I want to take when all of the roles I picked are STRICTLY PRO-TOWN ROLES.

I want to win the game. I can be more useful to winning the game by picking House than picking Gambler which I have no interest in playing.

So yea, rage if you want to, but I'm not going to feel bad for being arrogant enough to think that I'm good at the game and wanting to play a fun role instead of a bullshit boring one just because you told me to.

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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 23:28 GMT
#1339
On January 21 2016 08:19 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 08:16 Keirathi wrote:
On January 21 2016 08:11 Palmar wrote:
When I find out which people among those who are just ignoring me (kita, damdred, keirathi etc) are town there's going to be some rage postgame.


Do you think I'm an awful player? Do I know how to read the game, make arguments, use roles effectively, etc? If yes, then why not let me take what I want to take when all of the roles I picked are STRICTLY PRO-TOWN ROLES.

I want to win the game. I can be more useful to winning the game by picking House than picking Gambler which I have no interest in playing.

So yea, rage if you want to, but I'm not going to feel bad for being arrogant enough to think that I'm good at the game and wanting to play a fun role instead of a bullshit boring one just because you told me to.


One of us is doing what he wants.

The other has a comprehensive plan for everyone in town to follow.

Both are asking each other to just trust.

Why should it be me that has to trust you? I'd be fine if someone else had bothered to do the work I've done. But I'm the only one that did it, so I think that should give me additional control.

I am going to lynch you because you're mafia.

You don't have to trust me. In fact, I'm not even asking you to trust me.

That doesn't mean I have to trust you either, though. Not that I don't. I do think you're probably town. But I also think you're perfectly capable of being tryhard as scum.

Your alignment doesn't have anything to do with why I refused to pick your designated role though. I refused to pick your designated role because it's ass. I said that I thought defensive roles were extremely good for town, and I was going to pick one Link/Moriarty/House and I did.

You can bitch about that all you want. Even lynch me for it if you can. Still doesn't make me scum, or make me feel bad for doing the right thing.
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Keirathi
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January 20 2016 23:30 GMT
#1341
On January 21 2016 08:19 Palmar wrote:
Also CPR doc is not a strictly town role. It's fantastic for mafia )))

Obviously I was talking about after I decided to let Superbia pick CPR.

For the last ~12 hours I've been saying I was going to take one of Link, House, or Moriarty.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 00:29 GMT
#1431
On January 21 2016 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred - The only reason I put Damdred on this list is because I had him as scum earlier. He probably isn't - I think his backtrack on his role choice (which was abrupt and would have infuriated anyone) was relatively townie, and his decision to move to doctor seemed very natural based on what was happening.
.


I mean, what would you expect him to do if he is scum? If you're already picking his role, he can either play nice and switch, or random into mysterious and be vengeful and probably get lynched for it. The smart thing to do as town OR scum would be to switch I think.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 00:36 GMT
#1441
On January 21 2016 09:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 09:29 Keirathi wrote:
On January 21 2016 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred - The only reason I put Damdred on this list is because I had him as scum earlier. He probably isn't - I think his backtrack on his role choice (which was abrupt and would have infuriated anyone) was relatively townie, and his decision to move to doctor seemed very natural based on what was happening.
.


I mean, what would you expect him to do if he is scum? If you're already picking his role, he can either play nice and switch, or random into mysterious and be vengeful and probably get lynched for it. The smart thing to do as town OR scum would be to switch I think.


Let me elaborate a bit since this seems skin deep:
I think Damdred's emotions were far more telling wrt his alignment rather than what he, on the surface, did.

His demeanor changed rather dramatically when people started reigning him in and telling him why doctor was a good pick for him, which seemed townie. I don't think scum!Damdred would change his outlook like that that quickly - it seemed like a real person reacting to a situation in exactly how I would expect him to act.

Ohhh, gotcha. Not that he changed his pick, but that his demeanor changed.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 01:29 GMT
#1472
On January 21 2016 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 09:34 Superbia wrote:
VA did you really take Hero? If so I'm shooting you during the night.


Any reason in particular? It's pretty much a tailor made role for my town play. Not exactly town vibes from your post

Hero is a fucking awful town role. Saving yourself to the detriment of losing a whole night worth of actions is a really, really bad tradeoff.

Really good for mafia, though.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 01:36 GMT
#1477
On January 21 2016 10:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 10:29 Keirathi wrote:
On January 21 2016 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
On January 21 2016 09:34 Superbia wrote:
VA did you really take Hero? If so I'm shooting you during the night.


Any reason in particular? It's pretty much a tailor made role for my town play. Not exactly town vibes from your post

Hero is a fucking awful town role. Saving yourself to the detriment of losing a whole night worth of actions is a really, really bad tradeoff.

Really good for mafia, though.


Doesn't mafia just grab hero and not claim it though?

Yea, probably. I wasn't saying VA was mafia for grabbing Hero, but he seemed to think that it's some good town role and it's definitely not.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 01:38 GMT
#1480
On January 21 2016 10:38 CopCake wrote:
Forever ignored lol.


Why don't you talk about something yourself then? You're a big girl, you know how to comment on things
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 01:56 GMT
#1487
On January 21 2016 10:44 CopCake wrote:
Ok

To me, TO ME, Keirathi looked pretty town yesterday with one simple action he did:

He said that maybe and is pretty likely that both myself and GB weren't able to pick so someone else blocked whoever wanted 12 or something like that.

Soooooo today I read Keirathi is mafia and then GB is mafia...

So how do you like connect this two? Is the same person who said GB is mafia before is saying keirathi is mafia now?

Or is it just GB disdain what makes himself mafia and other reasons I dont understand makes Keirathi mafia?

For one thing, there are two different mafia teams. So even if GB and I both WERE mafia, we wouldn't necessarily be mafia on the same team.

For another thing, I'm not exactly sure how me clarifying how the draft picks worked out means I can't be mafia with GB? Can you explain that one?

And lastly, I dont think anyone was calling us mafia together anyways. Pretty much kita and Palmar are the only people that called me mafia that I can remember, and the reasons had nothing to do with GB or anything.

I think I'm missing your point?
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 02:01 GMT
#1488
On January 21 2016 10:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 10:29 Keirathi wrote:
On January 21 2016 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
On January 21 2016 09:34 Superbia wrote:
VA did you really take Hero? If so I'm shooting you during the night.


Any reason in particular? It's pretty much a tailor made role for my town play. Not exactly town vibes from your post

Hero is a fucking awful town role. Saving yourself to the detriment of losing a whole night worth of actions is a really, really bad tradeoff.

Really good for mafia, though.


huh? It doesnt affect night actions at all. I just choose the lynch instead of a mislynch. It's a very town role, for me anyway since its likely i might be lynched

Oh, I read it wrong. I thought if you got saved from a lynch, then the day was just a no-lynch.

But I still think it's a very bad town role. In a game of mafia, town controls the lynch, mafia controls the night. By picking hero, you put the lynch into one person's hands instead of the town collective's hands. That's bad for town in general. In the best case where you use the venge-lynch to kill a scum, that STILL doesn't make you town (since there are two scum teams), so we still have to waste another day lynching you, or one of our few KP on you. In the worst case, you venge-lynch a townie and then all the same other stuff applies.

It's a lose/(2*lose) situation for town.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 02:02 GMT
#1489
Unless you agree to just use your lynch on whoever the town says anyways. In which case, why pick Hero at all :\
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 02:13 GMT
#1494
Yes, Palmar has been yelling that I was mafia for most of the game.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 02:17 GMT
#1496
On January 21 2016 08:25 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 08:21 Palmar wrote:
Palmar's list of mafia people that sound like mafia all the time:

Kitaman
Cephiro
Keirathi
Vivax
Glowingbear

Then there's some meh people that might be mafia too:

Onegu
disformation
ticktock
Alotsomuch

That's 9 people, there's probably some mafia in there.

wow such reads.


Outside of kita and Ceph(your interaction with him gave me town v town vibes), this actually doesn't look bad.

Why kita? I know you had some disagreement over the role assignments but he's arguably doing the most work with it besides you.

Yo Shining.

Literally the only person you've mentioned having a scumread on up until this point was SL. Everything else was just setup speculation stuff. Now 7 out of those 9 people are are in your scum reads list from out of nowhere. Give some reasoning?
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 02:19 GMT
#1497
And also, what happened to your SL read? Do you still think he's scum?
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 02:33 GMT
#1501
So take a look at what Palmar said about why he thinks I'm scum. Do you still disagree with him? Why or why not? Do you think his reasoning makes HIM scum?

You're not giving us anything to work with here :\
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 04:12 GMT
#1509
@Shining: Ooh, thanks. A few follow up questions if you're sticking around for a bit -

On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote:
The SL read was based heavily on me being annoyed and upset at him suggesting me as a plynch when he knows from past games that I have little to no activity on Monday Tuesday, plus calling me useless when I'm far from the worst town player on TL. I also have a 95% town roll rate so plynching me at any point is going to flip me town 9.5 out of 10 times. But I admit that it was a bit omgus and decided to leave it at that for now. Since then, he's made a few posts about wanting town to work together and there's a slight town feel from some of them so I'm off of him.

As for sheeping Palmars list, I just said it didn't look bad outside of kita and ceph because none of the people on that list scream town to me. And I don't necessarily believe the list in that order, either.


Fair enough.

On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote:
You - no one bumped you from 1,1 which I expected scum would do if you're a good town player unless you're actually scum. And although I liked your catch on Palmar re: agreeing with Damdreds list that had you as top town, I found it weird that you scummed Damdred afterwards. Like if he's scum, why would Palmar agreeing with his list matter unless they're scum together?


Even if I'm scum, the other scum team wouldn't know that. So why wouldn't they try to bump me off of [1,1]? And if I'm town (and a good town, at that), then if someone does bump me off of first pick, then they would have to put up with extra scrutiny from me, yes? I mean, the draft order is public and everyone was claiming their numbers. It would be trivial to figure out who bumped me down.

The point of the Palmar thing didn't have anything to do with Damdred at all. It had everything to do with how Palmar's read suddenly changed because I got [1,1] and THEN he decided to read my filter and decide I was scum. He could have done that before the draft phase ended and countered my [1,1] pick but didn't.

And anyways, they could be on different teams. Or I could be wrong. Or whatever. I'm not sure how disliking Damdred in general is a conflict with not liking Palmars read switch?

On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote:
Disfo - this is probably the weakest one but checking his filter the first half were just pregame questions and the second half was a ton of setup talk. He has more than one post saying he's catching up and asking for direction(any hot topics to discuss?) The things I did like from him was his willingness to discuss and claim his role and his wanting to cooperate. He also dropped a preliminary reads list which didn't look particularly scummy. I'm pretty waffly on this one.


I can tell you why I have him down as tentative town.

First, this post -
On January 19 2016 09:30 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 09:27 Superbia wrote:
I already have this game 10% solved.

Does that mean you have the alignment of 2.2 ppl figured out or that you have found 0.8 scum?


That kind of jokey/lighthearted response just immediately 'feels' townie. Weak +town points.

But the big thing is that a lot of his setup talk was about getting town protective/investigative roles. And he took Watson, which is a pretty pro-town role.

On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote:
TT - I didn't like his "I probably won't put much effort into this one" post because it just feels like a reason to afk or not care later. And the last time he did that, he got lynched as blue and said he wouldn't do it again so I'm not sure why he's choosing to do it here. I also didn't like his reasoning for blocking Disfo. I have them both as possible scum, but they could very well be different teams. He also had a change in tone from "I won't put much effort into this one" to "I'll probably be invested d1-d2." I don't see how that's townie.


If he's mafia, would he actually come out and SAY he wasn't going to much effort in?

[I don't know TT and haven't read any of his games. I dunno what his personality is like or anything]
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 04:34 GMT
#1512
TT/GB:

So if you're not mafia, who is? If you can't even come up with someone that is scummy, how do you expect people to think you're town? How to you expect to not get lynched?
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 05:52 GMT
#1529
On January 21 2016 14:21 The Shining wrote:
For the next one, I'll have to go re-read Palmar and check how that happened but I will say if you're right, it looks kind of bad. But considering Palmar was 5th in pick order, and no one showed any intention of bumping him, it could make sense from either alignment that he wouldn't counter your 1,1 and drop himself lower down the list. And the conflict with the Damred read and Palmar's switch was that you scummed Damdred after making the Palmar point. I can't really explain it but mentioning Damdred and his list at that moment felt like you would've pointed out what you thought was scummy about Damdred right then, as well, if you were scumreading him instead of waiting until after and making a separate "lets talk about Damdred" post.


To clarify, I don't particularly think Palmar is scum. There are a few things (like this one) that keep me from saying he's like 100% town or anything, but for now it's reasonably likely that he's town. If he's not, it should be easy enough to deduce later.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 16:43 GMT
#1657
@kita:

If you're so sure that Palmar is scum (which seems like your strongest read except maybe Vivax?), why aren't you trying to convince people to vote for him? Or Vivax for that matter? Or anyone, really?
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 17:23 GMT
#1676
Hmm, I thought Fecalfeast was taking moriarty?

On January 21 2016 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
So we're clear, I'm still moriarty and everyone is ok with that?


On January 21 2016 08:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
So we're clear, I'm still moriarty and everyone is ok with that?


Yes.


On January 21 2016 09:20 disformation wrote:
It appears to be that Mr. Holmes judgment has been become clouded due to increased stress during the previous days.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sherlock Holmes be cray cray!
+ Show Spoiler +
Repeating: Sherlock Holmes insane!


Should I reveal my medical notes on Professor Moriarty as, well?


On January 21 2016 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
Aw but I wanna know if I'm crazy


See, this is why claiming is important. Now we know that one of you is lying.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 17:23 GMT
#1678
Oh, you didn't get moriarty. Nevermind I'm dumb.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 17:25 GMT
#1680
On January 22 2016 02:24 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 02:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 22 2016 02:19 Superbia wrote:
And you didn't get moriarity right?


I didn't


Keir? Maybe wait for the answer? :S

Yea yea, I read his first post wrong as him saying he got moriarty, not that he chose it but got osmething else.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 20:49 GMT
#1728
So, I'm kinda thinking geript is scum.

1) His super weird extremely strong townread on me. Don't get me wrong, in the last few games with him, he's been pretty good at reading me correctly as town. But he was super hard townreading me like 3 hours into the game. There are some pretty big differences between how I play as town vs scum, but they don't really have anything to do with the first 3 hours of the game. So, kinda reeks of too much knowledge. Small scum points.

2) I have a hard time believing that a town!geript can look at Rels/Breshke filters and think they're scum. Maybe I could get him not having townreads on them, but there's a lot of townie points in both of their filters. Small scum points until he comes back and explains more.

3) Weird "I'm picking CPR Doc and whoever picks it above me is getting autolynched" thing. Except instead of actually doing that, he decided to play along with Palmar's town plan (despite thinking Palmar is scum for basically the last 2 days)??

4) His scum read on Palmar almost seems forced? Like, when I think of geript and think he really believes something, I think of him being stubborn and really trying to get people to listen to his reads etc. Combined witht eh fact that he just sheeped ontot he Palmar town plan, I dunno, it just doesn't feel like a very genuine read.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 20:54 GMT
#1733
On January 22 2016 05:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 01:43 Keirathi wrote:
If you're so sure that Palmar is scum (which seems like your strongest read except maybe Vivax?), why aren't you trying to convince people to vote for him? Or Vivax for that matter? Or anyone, really?


Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 13:34 Keirathi wrote:
So if you're not mafia, who is? If you can't even come up with someone that is scummy, how do you expect people to think you're town? How to you expect to not get lynched?


Looking through Keir's filter these two posts seem pretty scummy. He is calling out a couple of players for not pushing their scum reads so I went back to see who Keir has actually pushed and really the only person he has brought up this game as a strong read is damdred.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 11:53 Keirathi wrote:
Someone talk to me about Damdred.

That dude is totally scum.


He gives a few generic sentences explaining that damdred hasn't said much and basically tells him to "step it up". He isn't trying to convince anyone himself why he should be lynched, yet goes after other people who are doing similar things. When I explain why I thought damdred could be town at that point, he essentially backs down and says he really isn't sure.

I know it's only day one, but we've had like 60 hours to talk about stuff and his five page filter doesn't show hardly any scum hunting at all.

Will probably look at Vivax and Alotsomuch next.

The difference between you and me is that I don't have people that I'm so sure are scum. You had a lot of reasons that you thought Palmar as scum, except you've kind of just not bothered pushing him or trying to get other people to vote him? That doesn't sound like a kita that thinks he's really found a scum, tbh.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 21:18 GMT
#1745
Kita: What do you think about geript?
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 21:57 GMT
#1784
Hmm, so if one of the unknowns picked Artorias, then we kind of have to play differently today. We can't really just vote one person, then shannannie onto someone else at the end of the day or whatever. Once we go over majority on someone (assuming it's someone who is likely to have picked Artorias), we pretty much have to go through with it or he gets a free kill.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 22:06 GMT
#1799
There's a small flaw in the plan to figure out who artorius is using the kitaman role: it might not be able to be busdriven, but it can certainly be roleblocked.

If Alot did actually pick kitaman, there are a couple of scenarios:

1) He's town. Someone on one of the mafia teams picked artorias. If they have any way to roleblock him they probably will? I don't think anyone took Yu for the anti-roleblock, right?

2) He's mafia WITH Artorias. He can just claim he was roleblocked forever.

3) He's mafia on the other mafia Team. Probably the best case scenario, becuase it has the lowest chance of being roleblocked, and if it isn't roleblocked he doesn't have any reason to keep the result to himself.
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 22:09 GMT
#1804
Oh wait herp derp. Only the mafia team WITH Artorias would want to roleblock him even if he's town. That was a derpy point. So 1) and 3) are basically equal
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 22:32 GMT
#1824
On January 22 2016 07:30 Cephiro wrote:
Hosts, can you confirm if you just missed my vote or if it's not really counting?

Also love all the flower talk, keep it up. One can always dream.

You have to vote in the voting thread for it to count :o
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Keirathi
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January 21 2016 23:42 GMT
#1895
I've gotta run for a bit. I'm gonna drop my vote on geript for now.

Read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25324069 and comment while I'm gone, plz. Particularly the point about how he's been saying Palmar is scum all game but willingly decided to play along with the role pick thing.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 18:40 GMT
#2164
On January 23 2016 03:34 kitaman27 wrote:
@Onegu, is there a reason why you refuse to claim?

We've got roles like House, Holmes, Link, Sy N Tist out in the open. Do you really think mafia is going to snipe you tonight over all the others if you were to claim something like City Councilman? -_-

You ostensibly think all of those people (aside from yourself, obviously) are scum, and you think they are likely to get shot!?
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 18:47 GMT
#2166
Also, don't think we should be lynching Vivax today. Not positive he's town or anything, but his list of people to lynch looks pretty good except for maybe Rels.

I'm feelin' it enough that I don't want to lynch him today.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 18:49 GMT
#2168
We should be lynching one of: geript, Onegu, Damdred imo.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 18:52 GMT
#2170
On January 23 2016 03:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 03:49 Keirathi wrote:
We should be lynching one of: geript, Onegu, Damdred imo.


You're on geript with 1gu so make up your mind or something.

What does that have to do with anything? There are two separate teams and they both want to get towncred for lynching each other??
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 18:56 GMT
#2172
On January 23 2016 03:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 03:52 Keirathi wrote:
On January 23 2016 03:51 Vivax wrote:
On January 23 2016 03:49 Keirathi wrote:
We should be lynching one of: geript, Onegu, Damdred imo.


You're on geript with 1gu so make up your mind or something.

What does that have to do with anything? There are two separate teams and they both want to get towncred for lynching each other??


It has to do with you not wanting to lynch me but one of them and you cant do it if you stay on geript???

Huh?

Want to lynch geript. Voting geript.

I'm really confused what you're saying here :\
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 19:05 GMT
#2175
On January 23 2016 03:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 03:56 Keirathi wrote:
On January 23 2016 03:54 Vivax wrote:
On January 23 2016 03:52 Keirathi wrote:
On January 23 2016 03:51 Vivax wrote:
On January 23 2016 03:49 Keirathi wrote:
We should be lynching one of: geript, Onegu, Damdred imo.


You're on geript with 1gu so make up your mind or something.

What does that have to do with anything? There are two separate teams and they both want to get towncred for lynching each other??


It has to do with you not wanting to lynch me but one of them and you cant do it if you stay on geript???

Huh?

Want to lynch geript. Voting geript.

I'm really confused what you're saying here :\


You dont mind that only 1 gu wants to lnch geript with you ?

No. Their alignments don't necessarily have anything to do with each other.

But I have a stronger read on geript anyways. If Onegu wants to help me lynch him, then good. When geript flips scum, I can reevaluate Onegu.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 19:36 GMT
#2185
@Onegu:

You said you picked [6,1] because you wanted to take SL down with you or whatever. Did you think he was scum, or were you just doing it to be an ass? And if you were just doing it to be an ass, why didn't you do it to me since I'm the one that 'stole' your number?

If you did it becuase you thought SL was scum, do you still think so? You haven't mentioned him again since then, so I'm assuming not.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 22:20 GMT
#2233
On January 23 2016 07:14 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
The people under sicklucker don't count because he tried to pick the role.


correct.
But the question is still if we want to believe Vivax dimensional lemming claim.
Which is a pretty good fake claim to buy one day.
Also if we switch now and Vivax IS artorias we have enabled his ability.

Oh shit, this is actually a really good point.

WHEN did Vivax finally claim his role?

Right AFTER he got his 6th vote. The Artorias role says

Once per game, when you have a half majority of the players voting for you (rounded up) OR you are the final mafia of your team remaining, You may PM the host to unleash the Wrath of the Abyss. If you manage to survive the day, You will gain the ability to immediately leap and kill a player who was voting you when you used Wrath of the Abyss.


So, the majority is 12. Half majority would be 6? So, as soon as he gets 6 votes, he claims and tries to survive????
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 22:22 GMT
#2236
On January 23 2016 07:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 07:20 Keirathi wrote:
On January 23 2016 07:14 disformation wrote:
On January 23 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
The people under sicklucker don't count because he tried to pick the role.


correct.
But the question is still if we want to believe Vivax dimensional lemming claim.
Which is a pretty good fake claim to buy one day.
Also if we switch now and Vivax IS artorias we have enabled his ability.

Oh shit, this is actually a really good point.

WHEN did Vivax finally claim his role?

Right AFTER he got his 6th vote. The Artorias role says

Once per game, when you have a half majority of the players voting for you (rounded up) OR you are the final mafia of your team remaining, You may PM the host to unleash the Wrath of the Abyss. If you manage to survive the day, You will gain the ability to immediately leap and kill a player who was voting you when you used Wrath of the Abyss.


So, the majority is 12. Half majority would be 6? So, as soon as he gets 6 votes, he claims and tries to survive????

I don't think that makes sense since he could just blast someone...

Though that would get him lynched for sure.

Artorias can't blast someone UNLESS he survives the lynch where he was being voted.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 22:31 GMT
#2245
Oh wait, I suck at timestamps. (I actually didn't realize you could see exact timestamps).

The post he claimed lemmin in was 9:11am CST. The 6th vote from Rels was 9:41am CST.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 22:38 GMT
#2251
On January 23 2016 07:36 geript wrote:
Shamelessly sheeping Kita. Busy. Had time to check but snow down in the south is fucking insane bc the dumbass drivers down here. Ppl need to learn to drive.

If you have like 5 seconds:

Why did you agree to pick Link and follow Palmar's town plan when you have been saying he's scum all game, both before and after your pick?
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 22:43 GMT
#2255
Switched my vote to Vivax. Think we pretty much have to lynch him now no matter what.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 23:02 GMT
#2289
I want to lynch Onegu

I don't have a vig though
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 23:06 GMT
#2294
Even though I still think there are people who are more liekly to be mafia than Vivax, I think we still have to lynch him at this point. We are pretty sure there's an artorias in the game, and the weird timing of Vivax's claim after being so unwilling to play ball with town for the first 72+ hours means that we pretty much can't shannannie off of him.
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 23:08 GMT
#2297
On January 23 2016 08:08 sicklucker wrote:
did vivax ever claim anything? I didnt see anything in his filter

He claimed Dimensional Lemming
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Keirathi
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January 22 2016 23:27 GMT
#2321
On January 23 2016 08:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 08:16 Onegu wrote:
On January 23 2016 08:16 Palmar wrote:
On January 23 2016 08:13 Onegu wrote:
Is the only reason you guys are not switching off of Vivax because you think you might give him one shot?


No, he should be lynched



so you dont believe he is lemming?

I don't care what he is.

I want him dead because there is no way vivax is this shit


On January 23 2016 06:51 Palmar wrote:
Well Vivax is hilariously bad as town too so there is a chance


Which is it?
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Keirathi
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January 23 2016 01:17 GMT
#2489
Wait wait wait Kita.

You've called me mafia multiple time. I semi-defended Vivax, and tried to get people to lynch geript instead.

What happened to your scum read on me? Did you just forget about me, or just deice to pick on the low-hanging fruit?

Also, "Damdred was hard defending Vivax in the last 30 minutes, tempted to say that makes him town" vs "Koshi was hard pushing Onegu the last 30 minutes, he definitely looks worse now". How do both of those together make sense??
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Keirathi
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January 23 2016 01:19 GMT
#2490
EBWOP: Decide*
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Keirathi
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January 23 2016 21:20 GMT
#2640
On January 24 2016 06:18 sicklucker wrote:
na just wifmoing but alot can confirm himself to some degree bad shot

He can confirm his role, but his power can't really confirm his alignment which I already explained why.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
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January 23 2016 22:59 GMT
#2723
Some end of night thoughts in case I die:

1) kitaman

I'm like 90%+ sure that Kita is scum. And it really just comes down to one main thing - the way town!kita approaches the game vs the way scum!kita approaches the game.

So, what's the difference? Let's take a look at some of the kind of posts that town!kita makes:

+ Show Spoiler [Just so this doesn't take up so…] +

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These are taken from Kita's filter in Aperture 4

On March 29 2015 11:20 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 29 2015 10:56 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 29 2015 10:55 Koshi wrote:
Why is kita town JAT?

I am not saying he is town (hint: that's what HF did)


What do you think about HF's town read on me?


On March 29 2015 12:29 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 29 2015 12:01 Snarfs wrote:
I got HF, rsoultn, Koshi, kita(because of HF), wave, chez as town. Very similar to crossfire, not sold on keirathi but that seems like a good start.


Do you have any non-town reads yet?


On March 30 2015 04:35 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 30 2015 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad.


I actually found the post on sicklucker to not make much sense, as I commented earlier. Perhaps you can take a look at what I said and explain what makes it good.


On March 30 2015 22:52 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 30 2015 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Remove Kita, he masoned HF instead of someone he can read.


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On March 30 2015 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record any PMs sent to me in the night will be summarily ignored.


So to be clear, you attack me for my mason target because of my ability to read HF, but when given the opportunity to mason and read all 25 players at night you choose to ignore PMs?

Lavos can be such a hypocrite sometimes.


On March 30 2015 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
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On March 30 2015 07:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Sickulcker seems like such a cop-out vote. I don't see how an anti-town 3rd party is claiming in his situation.


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On March 30 2015 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless, I don't think you're being lynched. HF has a good point about sicklucker.


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On March 30 2015 07:57 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll let HF do his thing with sicklucker. I think my vote pushed him to #1.


Where's your spine? What was the good point about sicklucker because it certainly wasn't that nonsense about allowing the coin flip people to talk about something else. Did it come down to filter size for a guy who hadn't even been in the thread all day?

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On March 30 2015 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
a lynch on sl is a lynch on guaranteed not town!


I want a refund.



There's plenty more examples of these types of posts, so feel free to look for yourselves. Now, take a look at kita's posts THIS game.

Town!kita is inquisitive. He engages with the thread, gets people to interact with him asking them questions about their reads, poking holes at problem posts, etc etc. The kita this game is just...passive. He's just talking AT the thread, rather than WITH the thread. And even the few questions that he does have are just..."soft" questions.

He has no bite. He's just along for the ride.

He's scum.

2) geript

So, one of the key things that has made me stick on my geript so long is some of the back history between geript and I, and it's kind of hard to fully explain.

For a long time now, geript has thought I was a really good player. He PMs me occasionally to invite me to play in games with him, or games he's hosting. I tried to join a game once that was full, and he talked someone into /out'ing so that I could play. He (seems to) really enjoy playing with me, and respects my town ability.

So, then I go and write a big post on why I think he's scum, and what does he do? He just flat out ignores it. Ignores me unless I ask him a direct question, despite the fact that he ostensibly has me as a really strong town read. It doesn't make any sense from a town!geript, and makes a TON of sense from a scum!geript, especially if I die tonight.

So, take a look back at my post on geript again. I think there's a pretty good chance he's scum.




Those are the two I feel most confident about. Some other random reads (not everyone though, I'm lazy).

Breshke: Going into day 1, I had him as a really high town read for a couple of reasons. Firstly, at the end of night 0, he already had more posts than he had EVER had as scum. Granted that's slightly mitigated by the fact that night0 here was pretty low-stakes and post count is never the be-all-end-all of mafia reads, but it says something if someone starts playing differently than they normally do as a specific alignment.

Then there are these two posts (emphasis mine):

On January 19 2016 23:21 Breshke wrote:
I vote onegu for dreamflower. Great plan koshi ill make sure my team N1's you


On January 20 2016 23:14 Breshke wrote:
I also dont udnerstand rels why you would not want me to pick watson even if I was mafia.

Im 7, that is fairly high if i was mafia i would probably the highest or second highest on my team. i could probably get a role that does KP if I wanted to. I know I am not a good player especially scum player so WIFOM ALERT would happily sack myself and take down some people with me.

Instead Im claiming to take watson which if you actually think about it would be perfect for someone you suspect. If i lie to sherlock or moriarty about their sanity it would become apparent very quickly.

So can you explain why even if i am a mafia read me picking watson would be bad?


The first post: I think it's pretty rare for actual scum to make posts like that. The exception is, of course, people who are confident in their scum game, or just have a lot of experience as scum and can play fairly close tot he same way they do as town.

But he admits that he isn't a particularly good scum player (Database backs that up, at least on the surface). But he's willing to say that he's scum and going to NK Koshi? I don't particularly buy it.

Plus, the fact that his first choice of role was Watson, and he was advocating for town to pick all 3 of the sherlock characters etc.

The fact that his activity has fallen off is my biggest concern with him right now. If he comes back and starts playing reasonably again, he's probably town.





ASKLDJALSKD I ran out of time.

The other people I have in the possible scum list right now are: Onegu, Tictock, maybe Damdred still, maybe Cake, maybe Alot.

I have at least some reasons to think everyone else is town. Sorry I don't have more to go on here, I just ran out of time

Tracking geript tonight.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
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January 24 2016 00:08 GMT
#2793
I tracked Koshi to Tictock.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 24 2016 00:11 GMT
#2799
On January 24 2016 09:08 Onegu wrote:
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On January 24 2016 09:08 Keirathi wrote:
I tracked Koshi to Tictock.



Nope you tracked Geript to him

No, I tracked geript. The result I got was "Koshi visited Tictock".

Bus driving doesn't change who their targets were, just who my target is.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 24 2016 00:12 GMT
#2803
On January 24 2016 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
wait assuming disform isn't lying about sanities, breshke had a red check (Insane gives the opposite check, right?)

Any way to see who he checked, did he breadcrumb it?

But Kita supposedly used his mass frame too. So that inverts the results again?
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 24 2016 00:30 GMT
#2832
Fuck off Palmar.

You don't get to act like you're God and then when you're wrong blame it on everyone else. That's bullshit. Nothing is ever your fault.

You're just being an asshole for no reason.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 24 2016 00:31 GMT
#2833
Guess what? You're wrong about me too.

Go ahead and lynch me and get it over with. Then blame me some more after you do it for good measure.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 24 2016 00:44 GMT
#2848
On January 24 2016 09:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Keir, could I get your top three scum reads and thoughts on FF, GB, and TT?

I still think you and onegu are scum. That didn't mysteriously change in the last 2 hours. Past that I'm not sure and don't really care.

Gb scum side of neutral
Ff town
Tt probably scum but not more than you and onegu

I'll explain more later.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 24 2016 01:57 GMT
#2875
Typically, either all roleblocks are notified regardless of if an action was used or not, or no roleblocks are notified.

The OP doesn't specify, though. Would be a good idea to clarify.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
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January 24 2016 05:13 GMT
#2916
On January 24 2016 13:14 GlowingBear wrote:
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On January 24 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
The other two people on my list are keirathi and Rels

I don't really care now


Tell me how kita is Mafia but you don't think twice before killing VA instead of him

He could only kill people on his list. Kita wasn't on his list.

You could maybe ask why kita wasn't on his list, but it makes sense if he was sure he could get kita lynched today.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 25 2016 21:13 GMT
#3282
Oh I should probably vote.

Sorry FF if you're town. I thought you were but can't ignore red check.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 25 2016 23:54 GMT
#3378
On January 26 2016 08:50 Superbia wrote:
Hmm. I wonder if he would still get a message whether he got roleblocked.

Someone confirmed earlier that all roleblocks are notified no matter what, I think?
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 00:00 GMT
#3409
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
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January 26 2016 00:02 GMT
#3416
On January 26 2016 09:00 Damdred wrote:
Idk I'd have to read the day again I thought someone had a red check on someone but was inverted shrug.

Troll kita is troll

Holmes (Breshke) had a green check on someone, but we don't know who. He was also insane, according to disfo, and maybe Kita used his mass frame. So, not much to go on.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 03:17 GMT
#3462
On January 26 2016 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
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On January 26 2016 09:23 disformation wrote:
On January 26 2016 09:22 disformation wrote:
On January 26 2016 09:21 Superbia wrote:
Yo mafia is:

3
v
2

3, if you wipe out the 2 you never have to be afraid of night kp hitting you.

2, you're way behind the 3. Better make things equal or even better, get ahead.

Just remember, I'm hitting a mafia. It could be one from your team. Do you want to fall behind the other mafia team?

How do you know it is 2v3? Oo

nevermind am stupid.


Why are you stupid? It looks like a clear slip to me

3 Mafia are dead, so it's either 4/1 or 3/2 just because math.

The only way it could be 4/1 is if Kita and Ff were on a team together.

So, yea it's 3/2 now.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 03:27 GMT
#3464
On January 26 2016 11:16 CopCake wrote:
You could be mafia that hit mafia Koshi, nothing new there but yeah you are morw town now.


There's very, very little chance Koshi is Mafia. 0.00001%

1) shooting Kita.
2) He was targeted with kp last night and onegu bussed it to geript
3) He didn't carry out kp himself last night. I tracked him visiting TT, which TT verified was a roleblock. There's very little chance Mafia!Koshi wouldn't have been one of the two taking the shot last night considering he was in pretty good standing townie wise, so therefor unlikely to be tracked.

None of those singularly make Koshi town, but all together they almost certainly do.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 19:56 GMT
#3648
I keep trying to read filters and figure the game out, but I have no fucking clue, and Palmar killed me desire to keep playing.

Someone shoot me tonight, or just lynch me tomorrow please.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 19:59 GMT
#3650
On January 27 2016 04:57 Tictock wrote:
How did Palmar kill your desire to play?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25334872
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:07 GMT
#3654
I played with scum!Cake on vendetta-strada. She was way more...impactful?...there. Like she was proactively pushing reads, getting in fiths with people, etc. She played quite well. The only reason I caught her was because of the way she interacted with her other scum buddies, and she probably still could have won after I was lynched but she ended up forfeiting.

Basically I know Cake is very capable of tryharding as scum. It's hard to say if she's just scum here without time to play, or not very confident townie with not much time to play. I would tend to lean toward the latter, at this point, but not a lot of reasoning for it.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:31 GMT
#3661
On January 27 2016 05:19 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 04:59 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 04:57 Tictock wrote:
How did Palmar kill your desire to play?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25334872

At this point you're just using this as an excuse. So what, I failed a kill and got mad for half an hour.

Yes, I am relatively salty about people not wanting to do exactly as I say. I had the only comprehensive and good plan in town, I put a ton of work into getting it done, I delivered mafia on day 1 and delivered mafia on day 2. It is seriously annoying to deal with people who can't step back from their own ego.

For what it's worth, I would've loved it if someone actually did the organizing for me and I could just focus on scumhunting. But the only person who barely tried was clearly mafia and all he did was make my plan worse.

So yeah, if you're trying to use me getting mad for half an hour as an excuse to just not play the game that is pretty shit if you're town.


Lol, MY ego?

Here's what'll happen. You'll lynch me, I'll flip town, then you'll blame me for being bad/idiot/whatever. Despite the fact that you were wrong about me before you even started trying to give out roles and I wouldn't play along. Despite the fact that I said in the last PYP game I played in that playing along with some mass-pick strategy isn't what I sign up to play PYP games for. Despite any evidence to the contrary, you just think you're so good that you can't be wrong, and if you are then it's the other person's fault instead of yours.

So, I'll do what I can until I die. Hopefully soon.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:39 GMT
#3664
I got lazy and haven't updated it since right around the start of day 1, but: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t7DbjeTlBc75aUKSW93mmcgPt6fGDhW9pdqDZ1G8vzE/edit?usp=sharing

That's where I was at at htat point. I'm having a hard time progressing from there, though. Partly aggravated at Palmar, mostly aggravated at myself.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:44 GMT
#3668
On January 27 2016 05:42 Palmar wrote:
yeah you're sort of not allowed to do that keir, because you can edit the text.

You should be taking screenshots if you want to post your spreadsheet.

Wait, why? I know I've seen people do it before. I remember bugs doing it for sure.

I apologize if that was against the rules. I really didn't think it would be :\
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:51 GMT
#3674
On January 27 2016 05:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:44 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 05:42 Palmar wrote:
yeah you're sort of not allowed to do that keir, because you can edit the text.

You should be taking screenshots if you want to post your spreadsheet.

Wait, why? I know I've seen people do it before. I remember bugs doing it for sure.

I apologize if that was against the rules. I really didn't think it would be :\

we had a massive discussion about it a few years back. I think the conclusion was screenshots are fine, but other shit really isn't.

It comes down to you being able to edit the document to remove content that was there.

It's fine, just don't edit it more. I'm sure the hosts will at most warn you for this.

I honest to god don't remember it and was sure I'd seen other people do it.

So yea, my apologies people/hosts.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:54 GMT
#3678
On January 27 2016 05:50 Palmar wrote:
btw why did you track geript?

Because I had a scum read on him and he seemed like a decent person to carry out KP if he was scum. Most people were just kind of brushing him off as town, or at least sorta town?

Plus, even if he wasn't using KP, who he used his other abilities on could have been useful information.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:55 GMT
#3680
On January 27 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:39 Keirathi wrote:
I got lazy and haven't updated it since right around the start of day 1, but: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t7DbjeTlBc75aUKSW93mmcgPt6fGDhW9pdqDZ1G8vzE/edit?usp=sharing

That's where I was at at htat point. I'm having a hard time progressing from there, though. Partly aggravated at Palmar, mostly aggravated at myself.


This was your own notes for keeping track of your reads?

Yes.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 20:56 GMT
#3683
On January 27 2016 05:56 Koshi wrote:
Didn't you track me?

No, I tracked geript. You got busdriven with geript, so I got tracking results for you.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 21:06 GMT
#3691
On January 27 2016 06:02 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:55 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:
On January 27 2016 05:39 Keirathi wrote:
I got lazy and haven't updated it since right around the start of day 1, but: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t7DbjeTlBc75aUKSW93mmcgPt6fGDhW9pdqDZ1G8vzE/edit?usp=sharing

That's where I was at at htat point. I'm having a hard time progressing from there, though. Partly aggravated at Palmar, mostly aggravated at myself.


This was your own notes for keeping track of your reads?

Yes.


Really? kus some of the wording is strange.

Show nested quote +

Slight townie feel from the argument with OWS at the end of drafting phase. I have fact-checked, but I don't remember scum!damdred ever raging in thread.


This isn't written like a note you leave for yourself, this is written for someone else to read it

My intention was to post it at the end of night0, but I wasn't finished with it then and then quit updating it shortly after day1 started. Well, except for adding in an extra column for the claimed roles.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 21:49 GMT
#3697
Gotta delete the spreadsheet. Here are screenshots of it before I take it down for anyone who didn't get to see it:

http://i.imgur.com/3GR8j0I.png

http://imgur.com/CMeED40.png
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 23:34 GMT
#3712
I tracked Damdred, but that got bussed to Palmar. Palmar visited no one.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 23:41 GMT
#3727
On January 27 2016 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Super were you notified you were roleblocked? there are doctors and potential unknown roles TT could be a vet for all we know

TT claimed using the BH role on Damdred day1. Pretty likely that he's BH I think.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 23:45 GMT
#3734
So, what we can deduce is that one of Damdred/disfo saved a NK, and one of GB/Koshi roleblocked Superbia?

Most likely, anyways.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 23:45 GMT
#3735
On January 27 2016 08:44 Superbia wrote:
Wait what challenger was GB again? I don't have him down as anything specific.

Kenpachi
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 23:47 GMT
#3739
On January 27 2016 08:46 Superbia wrote:
If onegu wasn't roleblocked/lying then the KP put on damdred was meant for palmar.

Onegu definitely wasn't roleblocked. His busdriver went through becuase I got tracking results for Palmar instead of Damdred.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 26 2016 23:58 GMT
#3760
On January 27 2016 08:56 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 08:52 Palmar wrote:
I'm confirmed arrow obviously



Who were your 5 choices?

iirc

Breshke, me, VA, Rels, and....someone else who died n1. geript?
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 27 2016 00:19 GMT
#3804
On January 27 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.

Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.

Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia.


Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why?

It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night.

Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game.

I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar.

Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today.


explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me.


SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team.

You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though.
Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team.

Wait, how do you know Kita and Vivax were on the same team?

My intuition would say they were on OPPOSITE teams, in which case Palmar has been pushing to lynch people from botht eams?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 27 2016 00:30 GMT
#3831
On January 27 2016 09:21 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:19 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.

Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.

Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia.


Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why?

It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night.

Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game.

I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar.

Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today.


explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me.


SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team.

You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though.
Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team.

Wait, how do you know Kita and Vivax were on the same team?

My intuition would say they were on OPPOSITE teams, in which case Palmar has been pushing to lynch people from botht eams?


I said it could be the case, why do you think they were on different teams? I thought Palmar even made his big case about Kita's read on Vivax linking the two.

The way you said it implies knowledge of Kita/Vivax being on the same team. If you had said "You could still be scum if kita and vivax were on the same team and you were on the other one" or something like that.

It's weird phrasing for a townie to make.

(FWIW I think there are cases to be made either way. They could be on the same team [the way they overlapped numbers, kita saying "i guarantee two scum overlapped numbers"], but there's a lot of evidence they were on opposite teams too. Like FF refusing to comment on vivax with anything more than a sheep consolidation vote, etc. And I don't think FF and kita were on the same team becuase that would be stupid.)
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 00:37 GMT
#3834
On January 27 2016 09:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:09 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:05 Palmar wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:54 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:48 Palmar wrote:
also 12 people alive, 5 are mafia.

palmar, koshi, rels, superbia, sicklucker get a pass.

The rest of you create cases on each other.



I just saved you from KP and I dont get a Pass? What do I have to do???

if you hadn't touched me, damdred would've saved me and not died... I think?

Is this true? If you are bussed with Damdred. And damdred protects you, doesn't damdred protect himself? So how did he die?

yeah I didn't think of that.

Are you willing to be responsible for a townread one onegu?

FWIW (which is probably not much at this point), I think it's fairly likely Onegu is town now.

The way he's used his role (aside from the way he claimed him), has been pretty pro-town. There were definitely 'better' ways a scum!onegu could have used his role to benefit his team than what he has so far.
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 00:46 GMT
#3842
One thing out of that post that is interesting:

If GB tried to pick Moriarty, that would imply that GB and FF aren't on the same mafia team. But, maybe GB tried to pick something else (Artorias?) and just claimed to try to pick Moriarty since he knew FF had it and he couldn't realistically claim whatever he really tried for.

Circumstantial evidence at best, but at least worth a note.
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 01:40 GMT
#3874
On January 27 2016 10:30 Palmar wrote:
glowingbear is 100% mafia.

do we actually lynch copcake? I'm not sure she's mafia and whichever mafia team GB isn't on will 100% shoot her anwyay for the double kill.

For the double kill?

I'm confused.
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 01:43 GMT
#3876
Wat. It says they die, just don't flip?
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 05:52 GMT
#3887
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 06:08 GMT
#3889
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.
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Keirathi
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January 27 2016 17:50 GMT
#4101
On January 28 2016 02:00 CopCake wrote:
Dont you guys think keirathi is suddenly oh so quiet?

What? I've posted more in the last 15 hours than I have since night 1, and NOW I'm being quiet?

I'm at school during they day though, never going to much until the afternoon.
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 02:00 GMT
#4185
On January 28 2016 09:50 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 09:49 sicklucker wrote:
ALso keirs a tracker? how has he given us nothing useful all game..


Apparently tracked damdred n2. I don't think who he tracked n1 actually. I believe palmar?

I tracked geript n1. He got bussed with Koshi, so my result was "Koshi visited Tictock" (Which I posted to the thread before Koshi or Tictock mentioned it, so it's extremely unlikely that I'm lying about my role)

I tracked Damdred n2. He got bussed with Palmar, so my result was "Palmar visited no one".
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 02:17 GMT
#4187
Yes
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 02:20 GMT
#4189
On January 28 2016 11:17 CopCake wrote:
Oh you tracked you didnt bus, sorry.

But how do you know they got bussed?


Because I tracked Damdred and got results for Palmar....

And Onegu said he bussed them....
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 02:25 GMT
#4195
Wat. Why wouldn't he? He saved one of his townreads and got one of his scumreads killed??

Whether he's town or scum, it makes sense. Although arguably if he was scum then he probably could have redirected the shot onto someone who was actually doing something, or not protected Palmar or something.
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 02:26 GMT
#4197
On January 28 2016 11:25 CopCake wrote:
Who did you bus koshi with?

Geript.
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 02:30 GMT
#4199
Huh?

Koshi is the space shit dude. He roleblocked Tictock night 1, nuked Kita day2.
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 19:04 GMT
#4233
I'm running a 102 degree fever and feel like someone dropped me off of a 10 story building.

I still think onegu and SL are both kinda town, maybe even slightly less on SL because of his complete lack of opinion towards Kita, but I dont have it in me to fight for it so I'm just going to sheep.
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 23:52 GMT
#4302
Onegu: if I unvote you, you shoot me?

I think I have to die if town wants to win because I'm useless and if I stay alive it just gets way harder closer to lylo.
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Keirathi
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January 28 2016 23:55 GMT
#4313
Yea I didn't think about not being able to force a no-lynch because of SLs role. Owells
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:01 GMT
#4325
Gg onegu
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:02 GMT
#4330
Man I'm so good at this game. Thinking 3 of the 4 scum that have flipped were town :/
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:07 GMT
#4338
I think there are a lot of reasons to lynch me. Not caring about the game, giving up, etc. Being massively wrong is probably the least of them, though.

At least my case on Kita was fucking fantastic.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:11 GMT
#4340
That was @Palmar btw. I'm sure it was obvious I was answering his question, but I'm on my phone and forgot to hit the quote button.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:12 GMT
#4342
Yes.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:17 GMT
#4344
On January 29 2016 09:15 Superbia wrote:
I also want to discuss my plan.

I think rels saving both me and koshi is correct. With disfo overlapping on one of us.

TT should visit someone outside of myself or koshi to see if he can get a future roleblock (this is how it works, right?).

Koshi just madhats whoever the fuck he wants bc he shouldn't die.

I put KP on someone.

TT's role is a day action that activates with the night post.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:21 GMT
#4348
On January 29 2016 09:18 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 09:17 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 09:15 Superbia wrote:
I also want to discuss my plan.

I think rels saving both me and koshi is correct. With disfo overlapping on one of us.

TT should visit someone outside of myself or koshi to see if he can get a future roleblock (this is how it works, right?).

Koshi just madhats whoever the fuck he wants bc he shouldn't die.

I put KP on someone.

TT's role is a day action that activates with the night post.


He has the vanilla virus though, since GB kenpachi'd me last night and I visited TT.

I think you still have the virus? And whoever you target tonight, you will pass it on to.

At least that's what it sounds like to me from the OP. Wouldn't make much sense if it jumped 2 people each night.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:25 GMT
#4350
On January 29 2016 09:19 Superbia wrote:
Tbh I still have no fucking clue how the vanilla virus actually works or what it's supposed to do.

PlayerA is kenpachi and targets PlayerB at night. PlayerB is now roleblocked for the night and next day phase, and is the virus carrier. Whoever he targets on the second night will get roleblocked, and become the carrier for the next night. Etc etc
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:27 GMT
#4353
I'm like 99% sure I'm right. At least that's what the OP implies: that it propagates forward one player per night.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:30 GMT
#4356
On January 29 2016 09:27 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to call your helpfulness scummy. How's that for rewarding good behaviour? :D

Rofl, it's fucking stupid but I don't really care. I know I'm going to die sooner or later. There's 0 reason to NOT help clarify roles, especially when you're trying to make a plan based around a (probably) false assumption.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:43 GMT
#4362
Actually reading it again, maybe you guys are right. I dunno. It's worded strangely.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 00:45 GMT
#4363
On January 29 2016 09:41 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to work a bit on my d&d campaign.

Keir, Disfo, Tictock, Copcake and The Shining, I want you guys to name the 3-4 scum you believe are left in this game. Give some reason but don't make it too long. Before EoN or you may get shot. TY.

There's very little chance I do anything tonight. I still feel awful.

If I feel better tomorrow I'll try to get something up befor EoN.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 01:26 GMT
#4384
On January 29 2016 09:49 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 08:52 Keirathi wrote:
Onegu: if I unvote you, you shoot me?

I think I have to die if town wants to win because I'm useless and if I stay alive it just gets way harder closer to lylo.


This post doesn't add up, you are far from useless if you bother to play (which you sorta aren't, mostly making excuses). You have a solid role so you keep using it...

So let's play a game.

Onegu flipped scum. So, if we assume that I am scum, what was my goal with that post? Just to make myself look bad for no reason? To try to save Onegu's role?

If I was trying to save Onegu's role, that almost certainly means that I'm on his team. Would be silly otherwise. So, say I voted to SL and got the lynch to him instead of Onegu. Then Onegu uses his ability on a townie. Assuming SL is town, that would mean we would trade 2 mafia (me and onegu) for 2 town (SL + whoever Onegu shot). So, that would be beyond stupid, especially since it's pretty likely that the mafia teams both have 3 or fewer players left. Trading 2 of them for no gain is bad. Plus, I would be giving my role away for free. If we make the reasonably safe assumption that Superbia is town, then I basically hard counter his role. Like, 100% hard counter it. Why would I give that up for free with a stupid post?




I've realized something in my years of playing mafia. Sometimes a player just has to die. Even if they're town, the longer they stay alive, the harder it is for town to win the game. That person you don't want to have alive in LYLO because scum will never kill them, and at best they're a coinflip. At worst they're actively detrimental to town and will get lynched 99% of the time.

I'm that person this game. Through a lot of fault of my own, and a little fault of other people, I'm not invested in this game at all. I'm not going to stop posting or anything, I'll still TRY, but I don't think I have it in me shit townie rainbows and talk myself out a lynch. There are a few specific things I'm good at as town, and they just don't apply here and I can't get a handle on the game.

I thought Onegu was town, I was willing to die (under the wrong assumption that we could nolynch) to keep him alive longer.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 01:44 GMT
#4388
On January 29 2016 10:40 Tictock wrote:
@ Keir my problem with that post is that you are Marytying hard and have been on that track for quite some time.

I don't get why you would feel so helpless and useless as town when you haven't fully utilized your role and we have been lynching Mafia day after day.

That mindset makes much more sense if you are mafia and realize that you aren't going to be able to fool us easily and can't be bothered to play against that uphill battle.

Sure, if you say so.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 01:45 GMT
#4389
On January 29 2016 10:41 Koshi wrote:
What role is Rels?

Malcolm Reynolds.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:28 GMT
#4417
A huge problem with any Koshi or Plammar conspiracy theories is the simple fact that I have tracking results for both of them. And if they were scum, I think it's pretty likely that they would have been the ones carrying out the shots since they were among the least likely people to be tracked.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:34 GMT
#4423
On January 29 2016 12:31 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:23 The Shining wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:14 Tictock wrote:
On January 29 2016 11:46 The Shining wrote:
On January 29 2016 11:23 Tictock wrote:
On January 29 2016 11:18 Koshi wrote:
I don't see how that would ever happen tbh. If keir is mafia it is not with Onegu.


One of these days I'm gunna make a crazy assed tinfoil theory that seems impossible but turns out to be pure gold.


I think I just did it for you lol


Actually I think I tinfoiled pretty much everything you said already.

Onegu was unable to target his own team with his bus ability though, I had the same thought but I just requoted the part of his role where it says that it's impossible on the last page. So Koshi is actually confirmed not mafia with Onegu.

I do agree with the notion that Cake probably needs to die both for the real GB flip and the chance that she could be mafia lurking here.


Ah hm good point. Yeah Onegu couldn't bus him then. But he did claim he'd save Koshi. I wonder if Onegu would have his own team shoot Koshi then bus it, then, makes a lot more sense.

I still think there's something there with the Holmes track -> Kita nuke, though.


Ehh, no I don't think so.

Keir claimed to have tracked Koshi visiting me N1, which adds up kus Koshi RB'd me that night. Only way he'd know that is being mafia with Koshi or having actually tracked Koshi.

You would also need to find solid evidence that Bre checked Kita, and then explain why FF and I think Dis verified that Bre got a green check which should be accurate kus even though Bre was insane Kita obv used his check wich also reversed check returns.

So yea... Good luck with that.

Breshke couldn't have checked Kita.

Breshke was insane, so checking Kita would have returned green. Kita used his ability, so the green check would have flipped back to red.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:38 GMT
#4428
On January 29 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote:
btw about tinfoils

there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.

And Rels is in the opposing team


That could explain why he fooled me as mafia.

I could MAYBE think that was a possibility if Kita had outted FF before you nuked him. But after you already launched your nuke, then outting hit own teammate would be stupid, and Kita isn't stupid.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:45 GMT
#4434
On January 29 2016 12:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:38 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote:
btw about tinfoils

there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.

And Rels is in the opposing team


That could explain why he fooled me as mafia.

I could MAYBE think that was a possibility if Kita had outted FF before you nuked him. But after you already launched your nuke, then outting hit own teammate would be stupid, and Kita isn't stupid.

Sure, but people like sicklucker were pushing the idea that we should not lynch fefe to see if kita was scum. I really found that odd at the time.

That felt like 100% mafia agenda. I didn't know if it was to save fefe though. But it was superodd.

Yea I agree it was odd. And it was odd how immediately after fefe flipped, SL started using it as a reason he was town. Doesn't change the fact that Kita wouldn't have outted his teammate for no reason, though.
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:50 GMT
#4439
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.


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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:53 GMT
#4443
On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote:
kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo

That's pretty tinfoily :p
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Keirathi
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January 29 2016 03:56 GMT
#4445
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 04:03 GMT
#4451
On January 29 2016 12:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???

You think as mafia he would write something that insane?
That's why I am so hesitant.
It's so fucking insane to write down what he did.

I also think he has 2 really townie reads in there. Something only a townie would think.

The read is a little tempered by the fact that onegu actually flipped scum. Could be tmi, but I kind of doubt it.

But yea, In general I think scum can and do make rambling posts like that and come to conclusions that don't line up with what they actually wrote.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 04:08 GMT
#4456
@TT:

Please, what part of my post was "salty". I'm not attacking you or trying to start a fight, so why did you feel the need to say that?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 05:22 GMT
#4469
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
This is fucking absolutly bullshit there is no fucking way in all the heavens and the universe I would kill a teamate in the case I was mafia, there is no fucking way, ask Keirathi, I once blew up a whole fucking amazing game because I didn't want to lynch a teamate.

Can semi-vouch. You did hard refuse to bus SiRReN, but you also semi-bussed rayn but backed out of it when the wagon started rolling, which was part of the reason why I caught you

On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
When I am mafia I am absolutely dedicated and if you have any doubt, well the only two people who could have said something about me, is Keirathi (who might be mafia) and the rip Alot.

I actually already DID say that, though.

On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Keirathi: Look at my interaction with him and onegu yesterday, they were like sheeping me to believe Onegu was town by night actions. (Tbh smart move, onegu saved townies)

What??? Where the fuck did you ever say anything about Onegu's night actions??

On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
He also says I am active then I am sick I cant be active then I am at school coff coff when you know, shit is happening. In before cake but you do the same, check the times I log in: When I get at work, during my lunch time and at night when I arrive home, same pattern. The only days I could be active were my weekends. Also the whole "Oh kill me" was kinda odd.

What does being sick or having school have to do with me being scum? You can look and see that the vast majority of my posts are from 4pm (when I get home from school) until 2am or so. With a few random posts while I'm at school. I fail to see how that has any-fucking-thing to do with my alignment.

On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Tiktok: I went to check my posts when I was talking to onegu and keirathi (needed to make sure it was keirathi and not sicklucker btw) and there is this gem that says "
The vanilla virus is on me but will die after tonight.

Pretty sure the virus part is not a real RB though, just nullifies roles. it is like he is saying that he cant use night actions so rip.

Huh? How does that make him scum if he's just saying how he thinks GB's role works now that it's on him?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 18:18 GMT
#4509
Or, you know, I just thought geript and Damdred were scum since basically the start of the game, so I tracked them.

That's totally impossible though. I was obviously working with Onegu.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 19:32 GMT
#4516
On January 30 2016 04:20 Koshi wrote:
disfo, sl, tt and cc.

They got to be the last mafia.


Don't think GB was scum?
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 19:40 GMT
#4518
Koshi is not mafia. There's 0.00001% chance, which I already explained.

On January 26 2016 12:27 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 11:16 CopCake wrote:
You could be mafia that hit mafia Koshi, nothing new there but yeah you are morw town now.


There's very, very little chance Koshi is Mafia. 0.00001%

1) shooting Kita.
2) He was targeted with kp last night and onegu bussed it to geript
3) He didn't carry out kp himself last night. I tracked him visiting TT, which TT verified was a roleblock. There's very little chance Mafia!Koshi wouldn't have been one of the two taking the shot last night considering he was in pretty good standing townie wise, so therefor unlikely to be tracked.

None of those singularly make Koshi town, but all together they almost certainly do.


Even if you think I'm mafia, the only way I'm mafia because of my tracks is if I'm mafia with Onegu. if I'm mafia with Onegu, then it's literally impossible that I'm mafia with Koshi.

So yea, Koshi isn't mafia. There are about a billion reasons why.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 21:12 GMT
#4522
So, before the deadline, someone talk with my about Tictock. He's probably scum because:

1) Slip

On January 27 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.

Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.

Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia.


Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why?

It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night.

Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game.

I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar.

Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today.


explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me.


SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team.

You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though.
Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team.


His phrasing there implies TMI.

2) Weird read progression on Onegu

On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)


On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.

Gunna yolo predict this game is

Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)


On January 27 2016 14:21 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.

Gunna yolo predict this game is

Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)


For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced.

##Vote: Onegu


I already said what was wrong with this here, and here in that chain of quotes.

3) This post:

On January 29 2016 13:02 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:
On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)

Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?

I do. I said why here:

On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.



Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.

That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.

The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???


Don't be salty that I was totally off about his teammates but still correctly lynched your scumbuddy.


I had already said that stuff yesterday, and was just repeating it again having a conversation with koshi. Why didn't he have a problem with it THEN, but does NOW? And I obviously wasn't acting 'salty', so what was the point of jabbing at me like that?



+ Show Spoiler [SPECULATION AREA, STAY AWAY] +

So, because of the slip and the way his reads on Kita/Vivax changed (he had Kita as scum all the way through draft phase and day 1, then mysteriously after koshi launched his nuke, Kita was in his town reads, for Vivax during day 1 he started calling Vivax scum a few times, but didn't vote for him until the wagon was basically unstoppable), I think it's fairly likely that he is on a team with them.

Which leads me to believe FF and Onegu were on the other team.

So: kita/vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/??/??

I think that probably puts disfo on the FF/Onegu team. Them having Watson and Moriarty would give them a good position to lie about any of FF's checks (by claiming FF was insane, whether he was or not. FF could just do whatever and always had an excuse to never have a useful result), and let disfo try to keep them alive at night.

Still trying to work out who the last two would be. GB/Cake seem almost too easy.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 21:35 GMT
#4527
On January 30 2016 06:12 Keirathi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [SPECULATION AREA, STAY AWAY] +

So, because of the slip and the way his reads on Kita/Vivax changed (he had Kita as scum all the way through draft phase and day 1, then mysteriously after koshi launched his nuke, Kita was in his town reads, for Vivax during day 1 he started calling Vivax scum a few times, but didn't vote for him until the wagon was basically unstoppable), I think it's fairly likely that he is on a team with them.

Which leads me to believe FF and Onegu were on the other team.

So: kita/vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/??/??

I think that probably puts disfo on the FF/Onegu team. Them having Watson and Moriarty would give them a good position to lie about any of FF's checks (by claiming FF was insane, whether he was or not. FF could just do whatever and always had an excuse to never have a useful result), and let disfo try to keep them alive at night.

Still trying to work out who the last two would be. GB/Cake seem almost too easy.


+ Show Spoiler [MORE SPECULATION ZONE] +

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that disfo and FF were on the same team. It also explains why Breshke was shot night 1, so that they could just do whatever they want without him.

So kita/Vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/disfo/??

Feel pretty good about that, so far.

GB never mentioned Onegu a single time during the game. Granted he died before SL used his role on Onegu, but Onegu has been talked about all game and GB completely ignored him. Point 1 in favor of GB being the last mafia on that team. Also calls FF and disfo town. Probably the last scum in that group.

Kita/VIvax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/Disfo/GB. Sounds okay to me.

For the last one....I'm really just not sure. Shining's big post of reads still just gives me super town feels, and pretty much everyone in this list of scummers I've made was on it. Cake just...doens't really feel like scum!Cake from the game i played on vendetta-strada with her.

Palmar and Koshi aren't scum. So that just leaves one of Superbia/SL. My gut says it would probably be SL.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 22:00 GMT
#4529
Hence the whole SPECULATION ZONE thing.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 22:58 GMT
#4535
I'm tracking Cake, despite me just saying that I don't think she's the same as the scum!Cake i played with because I'm jut not sure. The setting is too different, she obviously has less time, etc. So getting hard data, even if it doesn't PROVE anything, rather than just some maybes.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 29 2016 23:30 GMT
#4548
GG gl friends.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:10 GMT
#5644
Too many town fuckups (a great many by myself, in particular) in a game where we had to have perfect lynching to even get close to winning.

Was a good game though, wp everyone. Thanks for hosting <3
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:17 GMT
#5662
Imagine how much different the game would have been if I wouldn't have let Palmar bully me out of taking CPR Doc

Which was actually the main reason I decided on House, in the end. On the off chance that I would think Superbia was scum, House basically full counters that role. But I didn't think he was scum so I didn't use it that way And it probably would have gotten me lynched anyways, rofl.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:24 GMT
#5676
On February 04 2016 09:21 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 09:17 Keirathi wrote:
Imagine how much different the game would have been if I wouldn't have let Palmar bully me out of taking CPR Doc

Which was actually the main reason I decided on House, in the end. On the off chance that I would think Superbia was scum, House basically full counters that role. But I didn't think he was scum so I didn't use it that way And it probably would have gotten me lynched anyways, rofl.


That's why I KP you during n3 (or whatever it was). The day you track me is the day I get lynched.

No, me tracking you wouldn't have said anything about your alignment. It would have just blocked your shot. Doesn't matter if your shot was from town or scum, I wouldn't have any way to know, or know who you shot.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:29 GMT
#5684
On February 04 2016 09:25 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 09:24 Keirathi wrote:
On February 04 2016 09:21 Superbia wrote:
On February 04 2016 09:17 Keirathi wrote:
Imagine how much different the game would have been if I wouldn't have let Palmar bully me out of taking CPR Doc

Which was actually the main reason I decided on House, in the end. On the off chance that I would think Superbia was scum, House basically full counters that role. But I didn't think he was scum so I didn't use it that way And it probably would have gotten me lynched anyways, rofl.


That's why I KP you during n3 (or whatever it was). The day you track me is the day I get lynched.

No, me tracking you wouldn't have said anything about your alignment. It would have just blocked your shot. Doesn't matter if your shot was from town or scum, I wouldn't have any way to know, or know who you shot.


Remember superbia had 2 kp, so if you targeted him and 2 shots were prevented, you would at least have learned that superbia visited 2 players that were hit by KP when he was only supposed to be able to visit 1.

Might be a bit hard to work out, but I think later in the game it was something you could have deduced.

Oh right. That was something that was emntioned in the obs thread, but the whole game I was under the assumption that I would only ever block at most 1 KP, even if my target actually dished out 2 KP.

I guess I should have asked, specifically, but it seemed...stronger than I would have thought possible.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:30 GMT
#5688
Also Red team totally, 100% fucked with my checks and made me look bad. That was "fun"
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:35 GMT
#5696
On February 04 2016 09:34 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 09:31 Superbia wrote:
On February 04 2016 09:28 Palmar wrote:
One note about the game. Almost everyone actually tried. This game was, on both sides, a quality game.


I agree. I think all sides played very well. Really enjoyable game.


Its always fun when a heavily themed game literally goes down to the perfect wire. Team Cobra could have one the previous night had copcake shot right, and town were very close to winning.

Hmm, how could Cobra have won?

Superbia was already shooting Cake. Best Cake could have done was shoot Superbia back and town would have won, right?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-04 00:38:10
February 04 2016 00:37 GMT
#5697
kitaman: the only person who writes more walls than me?

edit: herp derp, Cephiro too.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 00:58 GMT
#5706
That just reminds me of how much I want to host a big-ish themed game
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 01:06 GMT
#5712
I'm definitely up for helping co-host.

I had an idea for a PYP: Random Draft kind of game too that I want to host at some point maybe if I ever work out all of the details.

Basic idea is a closed setup with 20-30 available roles, and each person gets PM'd a list of 3 random roles to pick from. When they pick, that role is taken out of the pool and the next person is PM'd a list of 3 roles to pick from, etc etc. So everyone would have a 3 role pool of an idea to base how they expected all of the roles in the game to work.

The biggest problem would just be that the role drafting phase would have the potential to take a long time if people aren't reasonably prompt on sending their choice in, since the next person can't go until I know what role to take out of the role pool
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 01:14 GMT
#5719
On February 04 2016 10:06 GreYMisT wrote:
Oh also, I would like player input on the following mechanics in the game

First: we actually didn't use this, but I thought it might have been interesting to give each of the Mafia team 1 "ban" they could use to eliminate a role from the list, rendering it unable to be picked. This ban would have been annouced at the start of the pick phase. We opted not to include it becuase HtS was getting bad feelings about it, I didnt care enough to push for it, and it probably would have given the scum team too much power.

Second: The mysterious challenger.
The only way I would host a PyP was if it was not possible to get vanilla town. I had a number of options in the works, such has having a special role everyone would get instead of vanilla, or ordering the role list from best to "worst" and having the players get roles from the bottom up instead of vanilla.

Ultimately we decided to create a handful of rather poor roles and have players who were supposed to get vanilla randomize between them, or even allow a player low on the pick order to decide to choose the mysterious challenger and have a bit more control over what he got.

Ooh, I think bans could have been interesting. There were plenty of good roles to go around, so 2 out of the pool wouldn't have been a huge deal. I'm curious what each team would have banned, anyways I feel like if I had been on Cobra and knew that it wasn't likely that my team was going to have anyone near the top of the pick list, I would have banned CPR Doc, which would have meant Superbia didn't pick it, etc. So it doesn't necessarily just hurt town, especially with how many town-centric roles that scum ended up picking anyways.

Mysterious challenger was A++.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 04 2016 06:57 GMT
#5751
On February 04 2016 15:45 geript wrote:
I will say Palmar really brought his A game. I'm still mad I couldn't kill anyone N1. I would've shot scum.

Sowwy I thought you were trying to pocket me
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