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On January 08 2016 08:13 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 07:57 The Shining wrote:On January 08 2016 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, Noon is saying OO is a lynch bait player then, so likely just PoE? He's not looking scummy at all per se to me looking through his posts, probably just a low volume poster. For me it's POE, activity and him claiming I was much more engaged in the thread early on and I'm not anymore, which means I'm scum. Which is bad because most of my posts early on were catch up posts and just scumming Ness. Then he asked palmar to validate a meta read on me from my most recent scum game and a random town game, even though I've rolled town in like 20/22 games. But when I asked him about it, he said it probably meant nothing, even though I think he scum read me Guy replaced in night 1 and has a 3 page filter in a 220+ page game. Content per post when I read his filter however I'd argue is pretty good, when you consider how he's reading some of the other players in the game. There are several posts in that OO filter that show critical thinking on a few of the players. Decent shot of bad reads regardless of alignment depending on how he's reading or even in the thread. IDK. Second point I don't think is exclusively mafia, it could be honestly just really bad town play.
Exactly, he only missed one day phase but has been pretty underwhelming. If that slot is scum, though, he'd be forced to produce a lot of content and try to get town reads. So even though there's a lot of content in a low amount of posts, I'll go read his filter again now that we have consecutive scum flips.
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On January 08 2016 08:14 nooniansoong wrote:
Exo I defended Palmer and gb a lot. That indicates care.
GB was scum, though. Honestly if Palmar flips scum, and that point about him claiming Slam should be cop checked looks really bad on him, it makes you look bad for defending two scum.
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On January 08 2016 08:23 ExO_ wrote:
What really strikes me about Palmar is when he got pressure he came in and talked a lot. And what he was saying looked good to me, it looked like he cared about solving the game and after I re-read his filter I started to agree. But he was entirely absent today. idk does Palmar only care when he has pressure on him or something?
still his talking on day 3/night 3 really gives me pause before I scum read him
It has been mentioned Palmar is good enough to talk himself out of lynches. It's very possible he bussed GB to get town cred out of it. It would be amazing if all 3 wagons on d3 were scum. GB Slam Palmar.
Palmar had an excuse for not being here today and also said he probably wouldn't make it home from work in time for dead line so his absence is probably nai. The other points against him, not so much.
Also your posts here have me thinking about kush again and have me thinking you're prob town so just ignore the scum reads and keep scum hunting. I like this Exo
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Note: I only included exo in POE because of the Slam vote on him when there wasn't really any chance of pushing that lynch on Exo. But NM is right in that I should probably disregard it
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Gj assholes now there's no way I'm ever getting nkd
Inb4 shining gets lynched in lylo and bms everyone
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Without saves
11 left. 8 town 3 scum.
NK 7 town, 3 scum
ML to 6-3
NK to 5-3
LYLO. MISLYNCH here would drop us to 4-3 & we lose if no save
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I think we're probably at the stage where NKs implicate scum. That's yet another dead town scumming Palmar. And the only one to case ritoky. I'm not so sure ritoky would scum one of me and NM and have to default into lynching me, though...hm.
Also OO is off the table for lynch today.
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On January 09 2016 08:12 ExO_ wrote:
I agree with OO being off the table. In fact I'm basically sold on him being JK with that. I think the lynch today has to be Palmar.
Same. I thought he was trolling with the rso save post but that claim post and timing seems authentic af.
I also agree with the Palmar lynch.
Palmar/kush/maybe ritoky or *sigh* Damdred
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On January 09 2016 08:15 ExO_ wrote:
Also gotta think about Ritoky some. I've basically had him in my town pile for a long time and haven't even been considering him. I'd be more comfortable lynching Palmar today.
NM's last second post there, if entirely correct, is the play of the game
NM made pretty solid points 're: ritoky shooting moosy, his tone and parallels from scumtoky in full metal. Even though he had both Palmar and ritoky, I believe ritoky was his stronger read. I also pointed out that ritoky did with him what he did with me in full metal. Argue, wall of text defense, call him scum then backtrack and say NM could be town for tunneling.
Ritoky also had me as town for multiple phases just because Damdred said so but then said one of me or NM is scum. I don't even remember him giving reasoning for me being scum.
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On January 09 2016 08:21 nooniansoong wrote:
let's plynch onegu
We could always lynch kush for wanting a plynch with 1 ml left and not reacting to OO or trying to solve the game. His POE was oo, onegu, me. OO claim is solid to this point and he wants a plynch on onegu instead of trying to ml me, even though I've been scum forever to him.
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On January 09 2016 06:40 The Shining wrote:
Without saves
11 left. 8 town 3 scum.
NK -> 7 town, 3 scum
ML to 6-3
NK to 5-3
LYLO. MISLYNCH here would drop us to 4-3 & we lose if no save
Bolded
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On January 09 2016 08:28 Damdred wrote:
Shining answer me this, why as scum do I
1) Lead a shenanigans d1 on Rels when I had a town lynch in Tt sewed up.
2) Everyone basically who has died has town read me hard, why would I kill these people
3) led shenanigans or attempted shenanigans onto godfather slam when the cop was still alive.
4) as non godfather open myself up for a cop check by cc Tt knowing he would flip town.
If you can answer the scum,motivation besides ducking tinfoil you :/ an suck read me until then do something useful
Wow look at that tone you take with someone you've had as town lean to lock town literally all game. You say I'm scum during night phase with a nervous laugh and I don't let it get to me but that's how you react to a tinfoil post?? Noted.
It's tinfoil and a bit if a fear read since you're not a bad scum player and you're still alive d5 even though multiple NKs + alive players townread you. But your reaction is bad, especially after doing the same thing to me, and you should feel bad
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On January 09 2016 08:30 nooniansoong wrote:
@shining let's talk about this recent desire to lynch me next.
I didn't react to OO.. what's to react to. He's confirmed town unless we get a CC today.
You want me to say "OH SHIT MY POE WAS WRONG"?
What is scummy about me wanting to lynch onegu over you? (not that I do want to do that)
I haven't been exactly scum forever on you. I've been wavering between you and exo being scum or not for the past several days.
If oo is confirmed town, you're wrong on at least 1 of your POE. Instead of trying to reconsider, or make any sort of case for why onegu or myself are scum, you resort to suggesting a plynch late in the game, then backtrack and say you're not serious. You think. So what do you gain from posting any of that?
You scummed me after our interaction d1/n1, can't remember, but it was Damn early and only recently started to waffle between exo and myself. But I've been in a bunch of your poe lately, which makes me wonder why you'd mention a plynch instead of casing scum.
And you rushing me to respond to you is trash, since my last response was to Damdred and was a post before yours. I'm phone posting, I'm not going to immediately respond to everything at once.
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On January 09 2016 08:36 Damdred wrote:
Position of vote doesn't mean who led a shenanigans at all and you know that palmar.
Rels posted I started hammering away at him, Tt hit hi a vote there I continue hitting at him you put your vote lots of people move I hammer him at that point when I know it a secured.
Ok and who voted Rels literally right when you did after scumming TT during day phase?
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On January 09 2016 08:46 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:42 The Shining wrote:On January 09 2016 08:28 Damdred wrote:
Shining answer me this, why as scum do I
1) Lead a shenanigans d1 on Rels when I had a town lynch in Tt sewed up.
2) Everyone basically who has died has town read me hard, why would I kill these people
3) led shenanigans or attempted shenanigans onto godfather slam when the cop was still alive.
4) as non godfather open myself up for a cop check by cc Tt knowing he would flip town.
If you can answer the scum,motivation besides ducking tinfoil you :/ an suck read me until then do something useful Wow look at that tone you take with someone you've had as town lean to lock town literally all game. You say I'm scum during night phase with a nervous laugh and I don't let it get to me but that's how you react to a tinfoil post?? Noted. It's tinfoil and a bit if a fear read since you're not a bad scum player and you're still alive d5 even though multiple NKs + alive players townread you. But your reaction is bad, especially after doing the same thing to me, and you should feel bad You still fail to answer the questions and comment on tome when people who should obviously town read me start sliding back into scum reading me. Look at my record I make it to a lot of lylo and late games.
You did the same shit to me first. Shining is scum haha when you're basically the only one who had a correct read on me. Of course I'm going to question where the town motivation is in that and if you are really town after that.
1- I voted right when you did. Why am I more likely to do it as scum than you are? It's a wifom argument and you're good enough to know how to spin that in your favor
2- eternal town reads. I've killed you for this before in my last scum game, so it's not like it's impossible. They town you, you kill them before you can reconsider.
3- there is still a rolecop. I have no way of knowing if SL was rcd the night phase before the Slam shenanny occurs and he was the preplanned NK the next night, anyway. But it's not impossible. And my tinfoil gets stronger when you flip your read on me during night phase for no Damn reason
4- no idea, honestly, and that's why you were at the very end of my POE with a sigh. Because if you did this as scum, it's really risky but you've also explained it away really well.
None of this makes you lock scum but it does raise questions when you hard town me all game then call me scum after ritoky, kush and palmar all include me in their POE.
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On January 09 2016 09:01 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:59 The Shining wrote:On January 09 2016 08:36 Damdred wrote:
Position of vote doesn't mean who led a shenanigans at all and you know that palmar.
Rels posted I started hammering away at him, Tt hit hi a vote there I continue hitting at him you put your vote lots of people move I hammer him at that point when I know it a secured.
Ok and who voted Rels literally right when you did after scumming TT during day phase? Don't know why that matters when I think your town?
That's not what you put into the thread last night, which is what started this whole tinfoil. What motivation would you have to put that in thread, even as a joke, when you're heavily towned and think I'm town? Couple that with your reaction to me saying you could be scum if I'm wrong on my first 3 and telling me to be useful when you know I react to shit like that to the point where I'll tilt is anti-town, especially if you think I'm town.
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On January 09 2016 09:19 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:55 The Shining wrote:On January 09 2016 08:30 nooniansoong wrote:
@shining let's talk about this recent desire to lynch me next.
I didn't react to OO.. what's to react to. He's confirmed town unless we get a CC today.
You want me to say "OH SHIT MY POE WAS WRONG"?
What is scummy about me wanting to lynch onegu over you? (not that I do want to do that)
I haven't been exactly scum forever on you. I've been wavering between you and exo being scum or not for the past several days. If oo is confirmed town, you're wrong on at least 1 of your POE. Instead of trying to reconsider, or make any sort of case for why onegu or myself are scum, you resort to suggesting a plynch late in the game, then backtrack and say you're not serious. You think. So what do you gain from posting any of that? You scummed me after our interaction d1/n1, can't remember, but it was Damn early and only recently started to waffle between exo and myself. But I've been in a bunch of your poe lately, which makes me wonder why you'd mention a plynch instead of casing scum. And you rushing me to respond to you is trash, since my last response was to Damdred and was a post before yours. I'm phone posting, I'm not going to immediately respond to everything at once. you need to chill out bro. We can be friends and still be on opposite alignments, right? ya sorry I rushed you. I thought you ignored me. Yes I realize my PoE from earlier is wrong. You wanted me to post another one right away? That would have made me look townier? "let's plynch onegu" - You are implying that I was serious. Can you think a few levels deep on this one and reconsider? You ask, what do I gain from posting that? Nothing. But what do I gain as scum? Also nothing. Obviously people aren't going to want to "plynch" this late in the game. So that wording had to be snarky and not genuine. Do I want to lynch onegu over you or exo? I don't know. Right now I'm thinking you are the best lynch and I might have to hard defend exo today. But I'm not sure before I filter dive or talk to you guys more.
Sure, after the game. I'm actually a pretty nice guy when I wanna be. But us being opposite alignments means you're scum and Idk how to be nice to scum trying to ML me.
Why are you concerned with what would make you look townier if you think I'm scum? You also didn't say plynching was a joke until you were called on it. It could very well have been a temperature check to see if anyone would roll onboard with it and lynch onegu. That's what you gain as scum.
And no, nothing is obvious when I've seen town do pretty dumb things before. I guess we can talk more after you filter dive, or have anything else to add. I do find it interesting that you don't comment on me being right about you claiming I was scum since our first interaction, though, then subsequently waffling.
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On January 09 2016 09:19 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 09:14 The Shining wrote:On January 09 2016 08:46 Damdred wrote:On January 09 2016 08:42 The Shining wrote:On January 09 2016 08:28 Damdred wrote:
Shining answer me this, why as scum do I
1) Lead a shenanigans d1 on Rels when I had a town lynch in Tt sewed up.
2) Everyone basically who has died has town read me hard, why would I kill these people
3) led shenanigans or attempted shenanigans onto godfather slam when the cop was still alive.
4) as non godfather open myself up for a cop check by cc Tt knowing he would flip town.
If you can answer the scum,motivation besides ducking tinfoil you :/ an suck read me until then do something useful Wow look at that tone you take with someone you've had as town lean to lock town literally all game. You say I'm scum during night phase with a nervous laugh and I don't let it get to me but that's how you react to a tinfoil post?? Noted. It's tinfoil and a bit if a fear read since you're not a bad scum player and you're still alive d5 even though multiple NKs + alive players townread you. But your reaction is bad, especially after doing the same thing to me, and you should feel bad You still fail to answer the questions and comment on tome when people who should obviously town read me start sliding back into scum reading me. Look at my record I make it to a lot of lylo and late games. You did the same shit to me first. Shining is scum haha when you're basically the only one who had a correct read on me. Of course I'm going to question where the town motivation is in that and if you are really town after that. 1- I voted right when you did. Why am I more likely to do it as scum than you are? It's a wifom argument and you're good enough to know how to spin that in your favor 2- eternal town reads. I've killed you for this before in my last scum game, so it's not like it's impossible. They town you, you kill them before you can reconsider. 3- there is still a rolecop. I have no way of knowing if SL was rcd the night phase before the Slam shenanny occurs and he was the preplanned NK the next night, anyway. But it's not impossible. And my tinfoil gets stronger when you flip your read on me during night phase for no Damn reason 4- no idea, honestly, and that's why you were at the very end of my POE with a sigh. Because if you did this as scum, it's really risky but you've also explained it away really well. None of this makes you lock scum but it does raise questions when you hard town me all game then call me scum after ritoky, kush and palmar all include me in their POE. 1) I've hard defended you basically all game the moment you were posting. 2) obviously you can't read a joke when I just got done hard defending you and nothing happened in between.
Ok Damdred then I'm just bad and my tinfoil is paranoia. But I hate being called scum for shit, or worse, no reason and reading jokes thru text isn't always easy.
Like if you got shot and scum tried to take that shit and get me lynched over it, I'd have blamed you 100%
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On January 09 2016 09:34 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 09:28 The Shining wrote:
(1)Why are you concerned with what would make you look townier if you think I'm scum?
(2)You also didn't say plynching was a joke until you were called on it. It could very well have been a temperature check to see if anyone would roll onboard with it and lynch onegu. That's what you gain as scum.
And no, nothing is obvious when I've seen town do pretty dumb things before. I guess we can talk more after you filter dive, or have anything else to add.
(3)I do find it interesting that you don't comment on me being right about you claiming I was scum since our first interaction, though, then subsequently waffling. I added numbers to your quote. 1 I am concerned with what YOU think would make me look townier because I am concerned with what YOU think would makes me look scummy. I am trying to see if your reads look genuine or made up. So why is it scummy that I did not list a PoE right after flip? is what im trying to get at. Why would it have been townier if I had? 2 In your experience, do people usually label their jokes? "Let's plynch onegu." "BTW guys that was a joke lol" 3 that is a completely accurate description of my read towards you this game. It makes me scummy how?
1- making up reads is really hard for me, js. It isn't scummy just that you didn't post a POE post flip. What I found scummy was your defaulting into a Onegu plynch, which is much less scummy if it was a joke but which you didn't specify until after you were called out on it, which is why I'm not sure it was in fact a joke. And thanks to Damdred, it has apparently been established that I'm no good at reading jokes in thread. But it probably would have looked townier if you had because then I would've gotten a sense for who you thought is scum and maybe why, since I've seen you post a lot of poe and not a lot of reasons, and included me in it and yet I still don't know why you think I'm scum. And I've asked you to do so a couple of times.
2- not going to go too much into this since I'm not sure how it's alignment indicative but usually context helps indicate it's a joke. All I saw was let's plynch onegu. And again I'm apparently not good at reading jokes. I'm more concerned with finding the next scum than joking around at this point in the game.
3- the way you phrased it made it seem like you were always waffling on me when you clearly hard scummed me early and included me in all your poes. You didn't start waffling until recently. It felt like a misrepresentation of your early read
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On January 09 2016 09:43 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 09:39 Coagulation wrote:
so theres absolutely no excuse for palmar being alive at this point in the game if hes town. I hate this arguement so bad. I have seen fucking town HF alive for lylo. If you weren't innocent child at this point I would scum read you for it.
I consider it a gift and a blessing that he's confirmed. Or else we'd probably be down a mislynch
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