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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 27 2015 14:53 GMT
#761
On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s

Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam

Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu

Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock

Null
Anyone not in other categories

Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.

Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.


Any read of your own, Artanis? I don't remember you going after Vivax for yourself, and I also remember you being directed by someone to check boxerfred's filter
I'm adorable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 27 2015 14:53 GMT
#762
Awww I hit 11k but nah it's all been mafia posts I've played a lot of games.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
December 27 2015 14:54 GMT
#763
On December 27 2015 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:
[quote]
I find you being town hard to believe.

Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.

*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:


You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?

I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?

Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.

He is not newbie though.

He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.

So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?

And you think this... especially, after the dude starts arguing about meta and to use it / not to use it in mafia games? Like, he clearly has an idea on how he percieves mafia should be played -- regardless of his affiliation -- which already means he is NOT afraid to say stuff, if he is mafia.

What I'm saying is I A)
Think he'd be more cautious as mafia and find out how other people play on this site and try to play into that.
And B)
Get discouraged from how much shit he gets for what he was posting and either go full martyr, stop posting altogether or just post more asinine stuff.

Instead, he tried to talk to people and work with people. Also the question about if you can see people reading the thread as I think SL pointed out cements the read even more. Probably something he'd ask in a scumQT

Actually, he did exactly (A) at the start of the game. Then he did (B) just before he left.
Can you show me where he is actually trying to work with people? Defending yourself doesn't count, because regardless of affiliation everyone defends themselves.

This was basically his first post:
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote:
Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.

Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?

But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.

Answer these questions.

How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point.
How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times.
If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back.
If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.

I wouldn't consider that being careful.

As for martyring, that barely qualified. He just said he'd be fine with people voting him, but he was still attempting to talk to people.
On December 27 2015 13:11 N e s s wrote:
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On December 27 2015 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.

its bad to go off of meta.

It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.

Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.

What if he's changed his play style?

But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.

Well here is where we disagree..
And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.

But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.

Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.

Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?

TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething).
Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.

Yeah i have been reading your posts, i just wanted your general gathering of who you think is scum.

On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:
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On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:


Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7

At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.


You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.

but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.


...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-

Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?



Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.

Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.

On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.


If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.


this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.

1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?


Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.


Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?


It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

Food for thought~

Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?

I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.

Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?

Yeah he was defending himself here, but he also asked him a question back and attempted to start a dialogue more than just defending himself.

You're right though that he hasn't engaged people as much as I thought. I don't think it matters in the end because of tone and that reading the thread comment though.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
December 27 2015 14:55 GMT
#764
On December 27 2015 23:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s

Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam

Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu

Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock

Null
Anyone not in other categories

Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.

Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.


Any read of your own, Artanis? I don't remember you going after Vivax for yourself, and I also remember you being directed by someone to check boxerfred's filter


BF's filter is a joke
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 27 2015 14:55 GMT
#765
SL I think your town...so I should lynch you right?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
December 27 2015 14:56 GMT
#766
On December 27 2015 23:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s

Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam

Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu

Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock

Null
Anyone not in other categories

Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.

Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.


Any read of your own, Artanis? I don't remember you going after Vivax for yourself, and I also remember you being directed by someone to check boxerfred's filter

Bish I started the Ness read. I'd also say my HF, Koshi and TT townread are pretty much my own, though I've pretty much retracted the latter.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here. My reads are pretty clearly original/shaped by myself for the most part.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 27 2015 14:56 GMT
#767
Well i have nothing to discuss here until someone says something that actually has to do with something someone else posted... You can play "random lynch people" or "i think this guy wouldn't say this because scum QT" games but i am not participating.

later.
table for two on a tv tray
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 27 2015 14:56 GMT
#768
On December 27 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.

That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.

So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...

Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.

Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...

And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.

I really really do not understand any of that.


This!

I think you're town, rayn
I'm adorable.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 27 2015 14:57 GMT
#769
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.

Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.

Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
December 27 2015 14:58 GMT
#770
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.

Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.

Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush

I'll unvote him the moment he reaches pg. 2 in his filter.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
December 27 2015 14:58 GMT
#771
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.

Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.

Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush


who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
December 27 2015 15:00 GMT
#772
On December 27 2015 23:58 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.

Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.

Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush


who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions

I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 27 2015 15:00 GMT
#773
kush revealing his smurf is borderline suspect as I like to think I have proven in my last game where i caught ff donig the same thing. This situtation is not the same but there is at least some similarity's to give him some suspicion .

Bf name has been thrown around like a cheap whore but hes known to do nothing as town in multiple games so I havent given it much thought but people are voting him
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
December 27 2015 15:01 GMT
#774
On December 28 2015 00:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 23:58 ExO_ wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.

Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.

Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush


who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions

I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh.


Im not against lynching BF b.c he's inactive as fuck not posting anything. But SL just said that "Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush" meaning that according to bf/kush there are people that are suspicious. Except I don't see BF and kush saying anything like that
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 27 2015 15:02 GMT
#775
On December 27 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote:
When I first came to this forum I played at least 20 games and I was lynch bait for a long time.

I don't think it's unthinkable that if he rolled scum first game here he would be a bit more fearful and watch what he posts more.

Atm he's bringing a lot of heat on himself and it's reminiscent of when people,come from other places and not used to how we play.

He clearly comes off as a person who is / thinks he is good at mafia since he had to point out he has won both of his games where he was mafia in. I don't agree with this argument.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
December 27 2015 15:03 GMT
#776
On December 28 2015 00:01 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 00:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:58 ExO_ wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote:
hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.

Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.

Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush


who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions

I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh.


Im not against lynching BF b.c he's inactive as fuck not posting anything. But SL just said that "Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush" meaning that according to bf/kush there are people that are suspicious. Except I don't see BF and kush saying anything like that

I believe what SL meant to say is that there are people suspicious of those two and he'd prefer to see either of them lynched over Vivax because they're more difficult to read.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
December 27 2015 15:05 GMT
#777
Alright, I'm caught up.
I'm going to vote tictock because his filter is basically a bunch of empty nothingness. Rayn's points on his readslist were solid and I'm going to roll with that.
Retired.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 27 2015 15:05 GMT
#778
im saying its day 1 we should prioritize lynching people with historys of not giving a shit and being unreadble. obviously lynching mafia is nice but lets be real base on one day of play the day one lynch is going to flip mafia like less then 40% of the time. I want the 60%+ of the time we miss to take out the trash. I think you misunderstood me exo. Like we can still get a >rand lynch and be garbage men at the same time
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 27 2015 15:06 GMT
#779
sicklucker do you have any real reason to not lynch Vivax?
table for two on a tv tray
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 27 2015 15:06 GMT
#780
On December 28 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote:
When I first came to this forum I played at least 20 games and I was lynch bait for a long time.

I don't think it's unthinkable that if he rolled scum first game here he would be a bit more fearful and watch what he posts more.

Atm he's bringing a lot of heat on himself and it's reminiscent of when people,come from other places and not used to how we play.

He clearly comes off as a person who is / thinks he is good at mafia since he had to point out he has won both of his games where he was mafia in. I don't agree with this argument.


I can understand your sentiment but I came here thinking along the same lines. So I see it from a slightly different perspective,

But I don't think this is getting us anywhere right now, I do understand your argument and think there is some value in it.

Anyway SL I think is town now maybe.

What did you think of my gb sentiment thAt has me a bit meh atm?
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