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On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though.
Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
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to elaborate rsou makes al ist post. her #1 first ranked townread is coag. if you look in his filter he has one null post, maybe 0 posts depending if it was posted before the game started. so her top townread is a 0 poster.
Then she has no reason to scum read me other then me voting coag.(a no poster)
Ya ok we get it your masons together mafia already knows moving on
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Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions.
HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?).
Makes a "better" post on Ness.
GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...)
Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....).
Ness answers.
Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..)
GB asks a follow up question -- reads.
Ness gives basically nothing...
GB asks another legit question.
Ness answers basically nothing.
GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
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On December 27 2015 23:24 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though. Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
What TT doesn't clearly care about it actually reading the thread.
Otherwise i totally agree with this post.
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sicklucker what is your read on Ness & GB?
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Speaking about rsoult
On December 27 2015 17:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 17:18 ExO_ wrote:On December 27 2015 17:14 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 17:08 ExO_ wrote:
So far for me:
Town: Damdred, ritoky
Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far. i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi! disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg now i really should sleep :/ why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far?  gut feels i won't discuss at this time
If she's all but claiming mason with coag, what's this mean with onegu. I cannot understand the "no lynch" on onegu like minutes after he enters the thread for the first time (and says nothing of consequence)
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Ok so I thought of a decent reason gb could 've scum.
I've played with it before now but gb is generally super uneasy about hf. And likes to think,he can read hf well.
Instead of being suspicious of,him or trying to,figure out his alignment he just ignores him and follows him a bit. At another point he starts showing he's suspicious of hf but then,no follow up or anything about it.
That's why I'm torn on gb besides some things said. I think he's the lean I'd most likely drop down to,scum.
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On December 27 2015 23:24 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though. Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
Hm, I actually opened his filter again and I can see what you're getting at. For some reason reading through the thread the only thing I had registered was his reads post and his response to HF. Both posts individually I can actually see coming from town, but that combined with the other posts he's made that don't actually do anything, it doesn't actually compute.
You have my axe.
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is ness that new guy who talks alot? probably my easiest town read. Gb who knows there was one thing he did that gave me a town tone but its fakeable
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On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
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I'm slightly scumming ritoky at this point for posting so much gibberish
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On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions.
HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?).
Makes a "better" post on Ness.
GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...)
Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....).
Ness answers.
Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..)
GB asks a follow up question -- reads.
Ness gives basically nothing...
GB asks another legit question.
Ness answers basically nothing.
GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
Focussing on the what instead of the how again. Already said I could very well be wrong. Gonna need more to decide to lynch him anyway.
On December 27 2015 23:30 ExO_ wrote:Speaking about rsoult Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 17:22 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 17:18 ExO_ wrote:On December 27 2015 17:14 rsoultin wrote:On December 27 2015 17:08 ExO_ wrote:
So far for me:
Town: Damdred, ritoky
Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far. i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi! disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg now i really should sleep :/ why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far? gut feels i won't discuss at this time If she's all but claiming mason with coag, what's this mean with onegu. I cannot understand the "no lynch" on onegu like minutes after he enters the thread for the first time (and says nothing of consequence)
Toneread. They have history, though it does seem a little early.
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who knows maybe rstoulin is mafia and lost her mind. ill lynch her if it turns out shes not a mason immediately. not if she puts on some sad effort to keep her cover but if other masons claim or w/e
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Went to sleep when I thought I'd be catching up.
Instead, I'll be catching up right now.
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On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. [quote] Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7[quote] You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. [quote] ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- [quote] Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. [quote] [quote] this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. [quote] Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
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The one thing about her play is that it takes her a absurdly long time to get reads or hold them. are last game I think I was mafia but she didnt have one solid readable read in like 40 pages of filter up to a certain point
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If anyone thinks Rsoul putting Coag as her top townread is indicative of anything other than either a joke, a blueclaim or WIFOM then I'm not sure what to say.
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On December 27 2015 23:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Focussing on the what instead of the how again. Already said I could very well be wrong. Gonna need more to decide to lynch him anyway.
Okay so it's a tone read then.
I 100% disagree. There is nothing to discuss on this matter then.
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not to say she has nothing to add this early but to be defending two random lurker 1 posters is out of character to say the least
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On December 27 2015 15:19 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 15:13 Alakaslam wrote:On December 27 2015 15:08 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 15:06 Alakaslam wrote:
And clever hints are still omgus if they're baseless, so back it up. Why'm I scum bro? Besides pointing out what you do as scummy? That post is scummy as all hell  Never said you were scum..."bro". This is even worse. If you are going to parse implications with emotes into posts and then back out when called out, you are playing textbook scum that has been caught here before. So As either alignment you should rethink these ones. Why am I scum? Because as much as I H8 rayn (  ), I really respect his reads (most of the time) and he somehow has EXO as town So You're next on my list unless you can prove that I have 1. Been asserting you were 100% scum before the 2. That you must prove, which is that the read I draw from your emotes and implications is based on a misunderstanding. So You have to prove that I was actually calling you scum before misunderstanding you later and calling you scum because you were backing out of implications. Jeez, case proven. I'm not even gonna bother with you saying i'm scum right now, TL mafia is more annoying to me then other forums i've played on. Also, that scum traits guide is pointless. Keep reading those guide tho.
I'll help you
##Vote: Ness
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