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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 06 2016 06:22 GMT
#4221
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads

lolololololololololololololololol
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 06 2016 06:50 GMT
#4222
I'm really sure shining is town.

He's town telling so hard atm
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 06 2016 07:29 GMT
#4223
On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote:
Town
3. Onegu
7. damdred
11. ritoky
16. coagulation
19. The Shining
20. Palmar


4. nooniansoong
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
18. ObiWanShinobi
22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage)
24. Alakaslam



do you not think obi is green checked? if so, why?

if you're wrong on 1 tr who is it?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 06 2016 07:32 GMT
#4224
On January 06 2016 15:18 ExO_ wrote:
On my phone. Tomorrow im flying back to Houston, so don't expect lots of activity from me until the following day (or if Im not tired after getting home tomorrow). Im not sure 100% who I think is scum. Since I have to choose today though:

kush
shining
slam

and +1. Im really not all that sure for the last slot at all.


why shining? fabrication, omgus, inactivity or?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 06 2016 07:39 GMT
#4225
reads:
ritoky
coag
damdred
onegu
obi

palmar
exo
shining
kush

nm
oo
slam
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 06 2016 07:51 GMT
#4226
group 1 is basically people i think are confirmed. me cuz i am town, coag cuz mason, damdred and gu because i was allowed to shoot without being rb, obi because i think he is extremely likely green check.

group 2 is people i have reasons to think they are town, palmar cuz lead mafia lynch + SL read, exo cuz mason stuff + convo in my filter where i had to talk him into mechanically correct play, shining cuz damdred says so, kush cuz SL read + similar reads + aggro questioning

group 3 is people i think are scum or have no reason to think are town, slam is scum lynch him, nm is durdling in the past for days on end and producing nothing extremely relevant slightly townier than doing nothing but not town, oo just got nothing to read him town if i have no opinion this late and rarely remember you you're probably just mafia.

that took way longer than normal holy shit typing is hard.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2016 08:49 GMT
#4227
On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote:
Town
3. Onegu
7. damdred
11. ritoky
16. coagulation
19. The Shining
20. Palmar


4. nooniansoong
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
18. ObiWanShinobi
22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage)
24. Alakaslam

4 of these 6 are scum. I'm obvious lynchbait so kush gets a -1 for continuously trying to scum me but never pushing me, interacting with me or even acknowledging me other than to keep me on his POE so he has a mislynch option open.

Exo could very well be scum for that response to me when he misunderstood what I was asking him and immediately went into martyr/guilt trip mode, which was just a shitty attempt at trying to tug at my heartstrings.

Meh I guess I can understand Obi's explanation about the Trfel read and the possibility of a green check does help me narrow this list of 6 to 4, but GF hasn't flipped yet so its not as concrete as it could be.

I'm not really sure on Slam, I was willing to sheep onto him before Palmars case on GB and after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum. I still haven't felt any better about his whole anger outburst and calling me out for being Eastern =l

See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends.

OO is a slight question mark on the side of scum because of his vote on GB, although bussing is always a viable option, especially if NM's theory about not wanting to vote Slam because he's a power scum role(he switched off of Slam) is right. And I don't like him trying to peg me as someone engaged in the thread that fell off, when I was pretty much at this level of activity all game. And even with my inactivity, even though he replaced in, he still has a smaller filter than me. The fact that he went and looked up a past scum game of mine does feel sort of townie, but knowing my alignment, I can't just accept that, since I know I'm prime ML bait.

The eastern comment was not intended to be an insult by the way, or I would be insulting most of my family and basically all of my Korean friends (who are many)

It was the fact that EVERYONE seems to have not taken a west coast NYE party into the account of possibilities while I was constantly being scumread for being gone.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 06 2016 08:51 GMT
#4228
On January 06 2016 16:51 ritoky wrote:
group 1 is basically people i think are confirmed. me cuz i am town, coag cuz mason, damdred and gu because i was allowed to shoot without being rb, obi because i think he is extremely likely green check.

group 2 is people i have reasons to think they are town, palmar cuz lead mafia lynch + SL read, exo cuz mason stuff + convo in my filter where i had to talk him into mechanically correct play, shining cuz damdred says so, kush cuz SL read + similar reads + aggro questioning

group 3 is people i think are scum or have no reason to think are town, slam is gone lynch him, nm is durdling in the past for days on end and producing nothing extremely relevant slightly townier than doing nothing but not town, oo just got nothing to read him town if i have no opinion this late and rarely remember you you're probably just mafia.

that took way longer than normal holy shit typing is hard.

Ftfy
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 06 2016 08:57 GMT
#4229
I really should be in your townreads ritoky.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 06 2016 09:00 GMT
#4230
my best guesses at sl's checks

n1 Holyflare
n2 OWS

n1 OWS
n2 Palmar

n1 Onegu/OWS
n2 Onegu/OWS

But there honestly are problems with just about all the scenarios. So maybe he checked someone who turned up dead or something.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 06 2016 09:02 GMT
#4231
the problem with scenario 1 is that while he seemed to be attacking HF it wasn't decisive enough

the problem with scenario 2 is that while he flipped his read on me from scum to town on day 3, I don't think he really did it until after I started posting

the problem with scenario 3 is that he was much stronger on OWS than onegu (and tbh that's also a problem with all the scenarios).

sl was very, very strong on OWS, but I can't through quickly skimming his filter find anyone else he's strong on.

So idk.

I guess we just lynch slam today
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 06 2016 09:41 GMT
#4232
On January 02 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote:
obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable
Computer says mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 06 2016 11:51 GMT
#4233
Vote Count - Day 4


Alakaslam (1): Onegu
ObviousOne (1): ObiWanShinobi

Not Voting (10): nooniansoong, damdred, ObviousOne, Exo_, ritoky, Coagulation, The Shining, Palmar, NocturneMage, Alakaslam

At this time, Alakaslam is slated to be lynched.
Day 4 ends in on Thursday, Jan 07 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 14:01 GMT
#4234
On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads

lolololololololololololololololol


I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time.
At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town.

In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 14:12 GMT
#4235
On January 06 2016 04:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 22:47 NocturneMage wrote:
On January 05 2016 21:12 nooniansoong wrote:
Or slam actually. If slam was town he would have gotten more support over gb?


Yes. GB was vanilla scum. HF/Koshi scumread Alakaslam under the aggro reads on my predecessor (and last I recall Slam actually soft defended me upon replacing), and other scumreads were him not being invested in this game.

The mafia in that wagon were interested in protecting one of the three power roles I mentioned before, gf, rb, rolecop. If Slam were town, that wagon wouldn't have gone anywhere or it would have gotten larger.

Ness did some extremely scummy stuff but he did a towntell. Nobody has been getting this right; I am under scum suspicion not because I have actually done anything people are claiming I did, but because I have been inactive.

I hard defended Ness and declared him town. He asked rayn to sum up his reads quickly in one post.

He was trying to see if rayn was able to keep track of his reads. For Ness, that was alignment indicative.

It's also subtle, admirably so, and I admired him and townread him for it. The problem is, scum players can also remember their own reads. He was unaware of why the high skill level here can appear to be very low to outsiders;

We have pretty good scum players here.

So I coached him on that, and never pushed him again.

This made me question my EXO read, and since he was pretty universally townread, I dropped suspicion on him and thereby lost the ability to figure this one out and by extension lost interest. When I lost the free time and fell behind reading, that didn't help, and when I was being scumread for that I got very disappointed and completely stopped trying.

Post game I think it will not be worth trying to point out all the false premises people scumread me under. Game is too big.


Making a townread is NAI. I think the real issue with you is you have done nothing to prove your towniness. And you have a severe activity drop off, which objectively makes you more likely to be scum.
So if you are town please read a filter or something and give your thoughts.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 14:20 GMT
#4236
Some quick thoughts regarding my reads I have so far:

I am getting town feeling from Damdred particularly from the way he is reevaluating people, re-evaluating me. His argument and his basis for fakeclaiming Tictock makes sense from a town perspective I think.

I think Noon is also town for wanting to push harder on Alakaslam, proven by the fact that GB flipped vanilla scum and did not vote Slam.

Alakaslam is for certain mafia (based on my argument that flipped mafia GB sacrificed himself), and for now I will place my vote on him unless I can find someone better. (Mechanically with a cop flip, the godfather is now expendable as is the vig so bussing is still possible.)

Palmar is scum though, and I really think he just managed to weasel his way out of the lynch. In spite of what everyone is saying...something just isn't feeling right.

And Shining, I took a quick look through your filter, I am also getting a sense of town feeling, similar to your play in Dark Tournament.

I am also getting a scum feeling from reading ritoky's reaction to Damdred's initial suggesting why my town game wasn't reflecting in this game. The way ritoky pounced on it looked opportunistic in comparison to how he tried to pounce on me in Fullmetal, the slightest reaction that was non alignment indicative (my reaction to Trfel) he made it so, and here my inactivity in this game cannot be compared to my normal scum meta because it's a larger game (my first one ever), and I'm playing in two games at once (a mistake I won't make again). That is not alignment indicative and his reaction was at best, much less townie than Damdred. The contrast is that Damdred actually presented a basis (casing HTS and getting to work) and ritoky didn't.

That might look OMGUS and all but it gives me some caution with ritoky.

Now I realise these may look a bit shallow but those are my observations from what I've seen in the little activity/interaction I've had in this game. I admit I'm still reading a load of filters.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 06 2016 16:05 GMT
#4237
That reads list is lame.
Retired.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 06 2016 17:21 GMT
#4238
I don't think its to lame, I kinda want to see what his other reads are though.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 17:38 GMT
#4239
I don't get the point against alakslam. I dont think the votes were such that gb could have killed alakaslam instead of himself. Gb had a comfortable majority on him right?
And scum gb probably might still hammer a scum alakslam. Or gb might not have voted alaka for the wifom.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 06 2016 19:32 GMT
#4240
I agree to an extent when GB voted it was palmar that was the only viable counter wagon that he came off. Which is total wifom.
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