Dark Tournament Mini Mafia - Page 7

On December 04 2015 03:42 Trfel wrote:
Oh, I forgot to address Damdred's argument that MoosyDoosy enjoys playing in the game if Damdred is in the game.

MoosyDoosy says pre-game that he may not play Day 1 even though Damdred is in the game. MoosyDoosy also shows that he's upset when he rolls town. If MoosyDoosy is town, he wouldn't lie about being upset to roll town. Then he is never upset ever again in the game, which contradicts the earlier portion, regardless of Damdred's presence and its affect on his town play. Furthermore, MoosyDoosy doesn't actually play at all on Day 1. It's assumed that MoosyDoosy would be happy playing on Day 1 with Damdred, or not happy and not playing. These are the two town options. Happy and not playing is not an option.

Like, that's a poorly worded explanation. If you have any questions, let me know.

On December 03 2015 22:19 Palmar wrote:
And my alignment is obvious because I just don't play this way as mafia. Even if it isn't obvious to you right now, just try to lynch me later in the game and it will become.

If you haven't played much with me before: I do not like being lynched, I will generally put a lot of effort into not being lynched because I consider whoever gets lynched to be the worst player in the game. This means that I am usually very, very active in defending myself when people want to lynch me. I should never, ever be vigi shot, it is objectively a bad play.

On December 04 2015 23:08 Rels wrote:

Well, that simplifies the day. One of NM and HTS is mafia; maybe both (but unlikely). Cool stuff (=

On December 04 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
Was waiting for someone to ask that.

Was hoping that no one asked that

I'm town. I'm the most vocal person in the thread (by number of posts, not thread influence). My second strongest scum read is Damdred, who mafia knows is town, and I've been suspicious of him throughout the game. Mafia ought to know that I'm not going to reverse my read on Damdred. So why does mafia shoot Damdred? (first of all, I know that Damdred is a great player, please don't misunderstand; but being a great player doesn't really help you when there's some bull-headed moron who is going to get you lynched or stop town from progressing at all while trying to do so)

I looked through Damdred's filter, and I didn't see any scum reads. I checked for scum reads on DoYouHas and Half the Sky, two players who I thought might be particularly inclined to shoot Damdred if they were scum; he basically didn't mention them at all.

Thus, the only really noteworthy read in Damdred's filter is his not wanting to lynch NocturneMage (not exactly sure if it was a townread or a not wanting to lynch read, but it's the same for this purpose). If NocturneMage is mafia, there's no way he shoots Damdred here.

And the night kill for WIFOM reasons is bad because mafia would have been in an extremely good position with me scumreading Damdred. To be honest, the night kill suggests to me that mafia messed up. Not Damdred's fault at all, my fault, but I really don't think that mafia should kill Damdred.

I would be first think of being suspicious of Palmar and Rels, two players who I might have considered for the night kill above Damdred, but I think they would just let me mislynch Damdred or lose the game for town by trying. Perhaps Palmar is an exception, since I don't think he was here when I pushed my case on Damdred, but still, Damdred was strongly townreading Palmar.

That's why my tentative conclusion is that mafia is more likely to be in the less active group that I mentioned. The Shining is included in that group partially because Damdred has an extremely good read on The Shining, and so despite Damdred townreading The Shining for now, I can see The Shining as mafia wanting to get rid of Damdred.

But the biggest reason for the night kill is probably that Damdred didn't think that NocturneMage is mafia. Which is extremely strong. That combined with me being wrong on Damdred (partially association, partially doubting my read accuracy) makes me think that it's more likely that NocturneMage is town.

On December 04 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:

The deadline thing is great. LS is almost confirmed town.

On December 04 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:

The deadline thing is great. LS is almost confirmed town.

On December 04 2015 23:37 Rels wrote:


I think you're both wrong. fidei, there is nothing to explain really; rsoultin and HTS both said that LS has a super hard time lying. Knowing this, it's super unlikely the "mod confirm" thing is WIFOM.