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On December 03 2015 08:05 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I just super pissed I not thinking straight atm I apologize to you Damdred about calling you a fucking idiot I sorry I playing like I did Drams which I was super tilted in that game. I really thought I was going to get lynched honestly that why I was yelling so hard. Wait so post lynch now you don't think Damdred is scum anymore? Jdhwjakfjfjensmskcldm | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:18 The Shining wrote: Trfel. You think LS is scum now. Especially after his comments regarding lynching Moosy after his flip, but saying he's just voting Moosy to save himself. But you just said NM replaced into a scumslot. Does this mean you think both lynches were scum before the shennany onto kush? | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: wait it was trfel who was talking about ls being scum? I sure can read, yup... On December 03 2015 08:10 Trfel wrote: Everything about his play says town except for the thing that I quoted. I actually think that the thing that I quoted is extremely scummy, such that he can't be town. Do you think otherwise, and if so can you please explain it to me so that I can be comfortable with my LightningStrike townread? Also, NocturneMage, I apologize for you having replaced into a mafia slot. At least I have a fair opportunity for revenge. Trfel said Damdred was right, don't switch off LS, pointed out the Moosy inconsistency then after EoD made this post. So AFAIK it looks like he still thinks LS is scummy for that one post but if everything about his play says town, why was he so adamant about not switching off LS? There's conflicting points in this post. And if he thinks NM replaced into a scumslot, he's saying both lynches were scum before the shenanny. | ||
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On December 03 2015 08:53 Trfel wrote: I have to make a ton of posts to get my presence acknowledged enough to be told that I'm an idiot. No one responds to me with just one post. No one listens to me or respects my opinion at all, no one wants to work with me. I feel like I'm off solving the game in my own world, which is no fun at all. And my entire mafia playstyle/theory is based on collaboration... I've played in a bunch of games with you and never had a problem and never BMd you that I can remember. We even rolled scum together once and won that game with DarthPunk. The only reason I'm questioning you is to get a better grasp on your read progression and whether I can see town motivation behind it. It's a part of playing the game. Like objectively, you went from your 100% scumread MD onto LS after having him as a townlean. But I looked in your filter and you were adamant about staying on Moosy until LS made those weird posts about lynching MD cuz he's scum but only voting him to save himself. But you switched after that, not before that, which makes me think you really did believe that LS was scum because of it. And afterwards the language you use(I can't see that post coming from town) but he was a townlean throughout minus that post felt off but the willingness to engage Damdred to try and see what Damdred is seeing about LS being locktown feels like it could come from town reconsidering a read. I just don't understand why you're feeling so disheartened and down. | ||
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On December 03 2015 09:31 Trfel wrote: As for the rest of your questions: My thinking was that if disformation was town in the game, then he knows that that argument doesn't make sense, so he shouldn't be applying it. In general I was trying to look at his thought process, though. When he explained it, I realized that he wasn't using "constructed" as a scum tell, but to refer to posts that were created pre-game. He was actually approaching it from the other mindset, saying that Damdred's post seemed towny but was NAI if it was created pre role pm. This seemed like an unexpected take to me, and a bit towny. I didn't pay much attention in the final hour of the day, so I don't really know about The Shining. His completely ignoring my arguments and scumreading me with unflipped association to the point that I should be a counterwagon felt really really horrible, but I'm not sure if that makes him mafia. I liked the points about his Day 1 activity, however he was kind of forced to do that as mafia if he wanted to survive. Then the only question is if he could have that much motivation to play as mafia, and I think that the answer is possibly. I really want to look at how his reads changed between his two series of posts, and see what the reasoning and thought process for those changes are. Right now, I don't have thoughts. Third question was answered above XD Those weren't suspicions, but trying to figure things out. I never got to Fidei86's filter, I was confident in MoosyDoosy being scum. I was too frustrated before I read his filter. Lol wtf? I didn't ignore your arguments, I went and read MDs filter and told you as much and said I couldn't see where or why you were 100% sold on him being scum. His filter was bad but having played with Moosy before, its unfortunate but I could see the uselessness coming from either alignment. The rest of your stuff was a tone/metaread on him and a couple of people chalked it up to a policy lynch, which I'm not a real fan of. And where did I scumread you for unflipped association? This is a clear misrepresentation of what I said. I never said you should be a counter wagon and when Palmar asked me to case you, I said I couldn't because it was a gutread, weak and based on similarities to your last scum game. That's where the scumread came from, it had nothing to do with any association. And it didn't feel stronger than the points Damdred made on LS or the bad switches from kush and DYH. So when did I push you as a counter wagon? | ||
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On December 03 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: Sorry, Damdred, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding this post. Are the leans scumleans or town leans? If the former, does falling from a scumlean mean looking townier or scummier? I already asked about this post pre eod. They're town leans to be taken with a grain of salt, apparently, because he made them without reading filters. It's interesting you picked the exact same post I did though And yes considering ff asked you to give a read on me, and you chose to misrepresent what I did and said, and still not call me scum or town, a response/explanation would be nice. | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:20 Trfel wrote: NocturneMage is right, Fidei86 should be added to this list. I really don't know about Half the Sky. It's very hard for me to separate the play from the cold/sickness/whatever. I'll definitely take another look, though. Tempted to lynch one of Half the Sky/NocturneMage and then the other if they flip town, but that seems bad; the scum should be able to be found without having to do that. I'm going to assume for now that NocturneMage is good enough as town that he wouldn't get this wrong, for simplicity's sake, but I'll re-evaluate this assumption when he makes his case. But you think NM/MD slot is scum...NM called your case bad and you had no response to it except to list NM as scum once more, in what would've been your legacy post had you been shot. You left a super wifomy post laying around since you weren't NKd. The fact only Damdred died makes me think there is no Vig but you expected to be Vig shot. Now you're "tempted" to lynch one of HtS and NM. And your had a list of 4 including me when all of those were your town reads/leans. What about the Damdred NK makes your NM read null enough to change your entire tone and scumreads? | ||
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NM: your case is bad. Trfel: list post. NM is scum. Damdred(flipped town) is scumlean. Discuss Damdred in list post, + fear reads on Palmar and Rels. One line response to NM about "explaining to Trfel(his strongest scumread) why his case is bad.". In case there is any doubt. Trfel: pretty sure the game is solved. Damdred is NKd. Trfel: DYH Shining Disfo FF are scum.(NM read goes poof) NM: Fidei and HtS are probably scum. Trfel: NM is right on Fidei, might be right on HtS. ?????????????? | ||
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On December 04 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote: Was waiting for someone to ask that. Was hoping that no one asked that  I'm town. I'm the most vocal person in the thread (by number of posts, not thread influence). My second strongest scum read is Damdred, who mafia knows is town, and I've been suspicious of him throughout the game. Mafia ought to know that I'm not going to reverse my read on Damdred. So why does mafia shoot Damdred? (first of all, I know that Damdred is a great player, please don't misunderstand; but being a great player doesn't really help you when there's some bull-headed moron who is going to get you lynched or stop town from progressing at all while trying to do so) I looked through Damdred's filter, and I didn't see any scum reads. I checked for scum reads on DoYouHas and Half the Sky, two players who I thought might be particularly inclined to shoot Damdred if they were scum; he basically didn't mention them at all. Thus, the only really noteworthy read in Damdred's filter is his not wanting to lynch NocturneMage (not exactly sure if it was a townread or a not wanting to lynch read, but it's the same for this purpose). If NocturneMage is mafia, there's no way he shoots Damdred here. And the night kill for WIFOM reasons is bad because mafia would have been in an extremely good position with me scumreading Damdred. To be honest, the night kill suggests to me that mafia messed up. Not Damdred's fault at all, my fault, but I really don't think that mafia should kill Damdred. I would be first think of being suspicious of Palmar and Rels, two players who I might have considered for the night kill above Damdred, but I think they would just let me mislynch Damdred or lose the game for town by trying. Perhaps Palmar is an exception, since I don't think he was here when I pushed my case on Damdred, but still, Damdred was strongly townreading Palmar. That's why my tentative conclusion is that mafia is more likely to be in the less active group that I mentioned. The Shining is included in that group partially because Damdred has an extremely good read on The Shining, and so despite Damdred townreading The Shining for now, I can see The Shining as mafia wanting to get rid of Damdred. But the biggest reason for the night kill is probably that Damdred didn't think that NocturneMage is mafia. Which is extremely strong. That combined with me being wrong on Damdred (partially association, partially doubting my read accuracy) makes me think that it's more likely that NocturneMage is town. Your last scum game, you scummed, cased and shot Geript N1. This game you scummed, cased Damdred N1 and now he's NKd. This is such am obvious similarity that I'm almost inclined to think it's too bad to be scummy but this explanation is a bit long and contradictory, too. The NM not wanting to shoot Damdred logic is flawed. Especially if he had him as a townread, I'll have to go back to that. I personally as scum have shot Damdred before after he townread me to keep that read immortal, and I know others have NKd people that were TRing them before they had time to revisit that read. You also think that Damdred has an extremely good read on me, and towned me, so I'd kill him for it? This is a contradiction because you say its exactly why NM WOULDNT kill him for it. Are you saying I'm scum and scared he'd flip his read on me so I shot him before he could? Then why does that same situation make me scum but makes NM town? | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't know why damdred was killed and I'm saying that you don't either This | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:10 NocturneMage wrote: I see what you are saying here but there are people here saying she is town for that, and there are proven cases of her doing this as town when she doesn't have an alternative scumread. She has mislynched people as town/town-oriented third party trying to do stuff like this. The problem is where she actually goes and why. She would have mislynched LS if it was in her best interest to mislynch him, the reason she went to kush is because kush was scumreading her. This is what I was saying before, she has a track record of wanting to kill people who want her dead. The reason I asked you before what her role was in the lynch is because generally her play as mafia is to do one of two things - make a bunch of cases and do nothing with it, or ferret people and do nothing with it, or she WILL push someone but she won't do it until ridiculously close to end of cycle. One thing I did find interesting about her switch from LS to kush was her pinning it on me. Arguably yes, I was the one who started that shenanny onto kush but I wasn't the first one to bring it up. Fidei was. But when she did it, she posted "Done, Shining" as if to absolve herself of a potential ML and pin it on me, when Fidei suggested it first. Why didn't she(or anyone else, for that matter) refer to Fidei instead of me during that shenanny? I'll have to go reread EoD now, too. | ||
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On December 04 2015 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Can someone give me a key for all the IRL names people are using? dani = hts alex = ? Dani HtS Alex NM Fidei James I think that's right | ||
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NM I think I like where you're going with this HtS read. But you did promise a full case. Are you still going to do that? Trfels last post on HtS read progression makes me think he's tryharding and idk if I see scumTrfel going this hard, so maybe you're both onto something with her. I'll have to read her filter for myself. I'm liking DYH's last few posts too. I'm also not buying the LS confirmed town because of EoD stuff. I don't want to delve too much into NK analysis because I'm not good at it but there is also reason for LS to kill Damdred and immortalize that read if he's scum. I guess right now my most suspicious lie in HTS, LS, Fidei, Palmar. Rels and disfo is middle ground. NM, FF, Trfel, DYH likely town. I'll be back | ||
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