EPT[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31
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Although for me it's more of a toneread on Xata around the phase where super stops posting and kita joins the game. These are all consecutive posts and they look kinda nervous to me. Xata just came out from an extended discussion with my slot, and that's how his posts look (like he's worn out). Him talking about kita as if it mattered about his alignment that he didn't reply within ~30 minutes, dropping a series of exhausted posts that look like he's crying out to someone to end his life. That's a bit exaggerated but tl;dr: This post series I don't like. They just look fake and are kinda apathetic. The way he thinks of "oh shit I need to get some reads out now" right after the convo when only 3 players posted look like he feels forced to do that. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2015 09:00 Xatalos wrote: Well, I mostly hope Half the Sky would appear. A great deal will depend on her alignment. Such as if her proposed team can even be considered. Next up seems to be me... That's nice. Should be enough time to find two townies by that time. On November 02 2015 09:02 Xatalos wrote: Damn... Am I just antepenultimate because I forgot to claim penultimate? On November 02 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote: kita, did you get anything out of our furious exchange just now? On November 02 2015 09:19 Xatalos wrote: Either there's an elaborate essay incoming or that was a really weak entry.... On November 02 2015 09:29 Xatalos wrote: I guess there isn't anything. Can't say either kita or Superbia left good impressions yet. kita for just ignoring everything and leaving, and Superbia for announcing some long-term scumread (??) based on me saying that the lack of communications should be a mess for scum... Eagerly anticipating Half the Sky's entry... I go to sleep. And I like rayn for townreading my predecessor and bashing heads with Rels on that matter. I think I want to TR rayn for that. | ||
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On November 05 2015 00:52 Superbia wrote: Nvm about being scared on rayn. This fucking line just solidifies him as town: I don't even care that I'm in this list, this echoes my thoughts so much (mostly the second list- I would replace myself with sicklucker). I'm still not caught up fully but I just read this like 50 pages back. Why is rayn sending himself with 2 people he thought were mafia? Pardon any ignorance. | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:53 Rels wrote: rayn though: please consider switching Superbia to shockey unless Vivax amazes everybody. He's the only NO voter I'm doubtful about. Rels looks good too just for saying this cause knowing I'm town and thinking Shockey is too, I just see no point for a spy to tell rayn to swap out a town for another town (unless speculative wifom planting which is something I don't see here). I'm vigilant about kita as he's one of the people I can get really paranoid about. I have a history of reading him correctly too so until I get to do that and given that his first posts in the game didn't really scream town to me, I'd prefer to not have him on a mission for now. I'd be fine with rayn/me/shockey/Rels | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't even have my full scum team list yet, I don't think anybody has a full scum team list yet, but some how you already do which further fuels my suspicion against you. I refuse to believe somebody could be mafia and say this xD | ||
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On November 10 2015 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I like Vivax so far since he seems to be accusing people left and right, which he likes to do as town. Why do you say this? I posted more townreads than suspects. | ||
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On November 10 2015 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is absolutely no way HtS is town in this game. I think that your Shockey scumread is either tinfoil or just out of spite. This is your scenario: He voted yes on a team two other spies voted no, and no on a team the 2 other spies most likely upvoted. All your HTS is mafia with Shockey scenario has somewhat of a footing with team 1 but loses it entirely at team 2 when he voted no against HTS who you claim is scum with him. Everyone who voted no on team 2 is rightly included in your team except Shockey, and yourself who voted yes. I have to admit I can also see why people would scumread him since I saw how he said kita had a lot more reads than Xata when kita was just listing Xata's reads, but that's a mistake that can happen to both alignments, esp. if he has little time to play. | ||
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For now we can just chill and wait for the outcome. All this speculation pre-result is even too tinfoil for me. | ||
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On November 12 2015 03:56 Half the Sky wrote: Kita made a good point as to why you sure could be. This is where Kita was day 1. Obviously on the back on new information, and looking how he has interacted with people and THESE READS.... AT THAT TIME, he mentioned they couldn't possibly stand out as teammates, but both have one major thing in common - the reads on each other were a stretch which is common(ish) when mafia need to discredit each other. From the first failed mission I am 99.9% Xatalos is the saboteur, and the above plus sicklucker's points on Superbia (prior to the fully afk) lurky game make this combination a bit more likely. Again, let me remind everyone SUPERBIA HAD JACK ALL ON NOMS Day 1. From a mafia mindset he might not have wanted to give anyone away! Thoughts? Kita, Kita, Kita, where are you... The reads on each other being a stretch isn't common among mafia, it's common across the entire game. It's part of mafia to interpret a lot of things the wrong way. Often unintentionally so it's just as likely for a townie to do. And I see no reason why you would discredit your teammate first when you start in a game like this where you want anyone on the team who is a spy to enter a mission. Your arguments aren't particularly convincing. | ||
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Are you sure you know how resistance works, HTS? | ||
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We're heading there. I already said I'd look at kita if the mission failed cause I don't trust him for pushing my slot and something about his first post bothering me. | ||
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There's no voting analysis in there, you just jump from conclusion to conclusion cementing everything with a bit of reasoning to make it fit into a scenario where I'm scum. But the reasoning The general idea is that posting your reasoning is townie but I don't think it's that easy. Too many mafias were able to post a lot in my past games. The quality of your post isn't the quantity, it's getting to the right conclusions with few arguments which make sense. And you arrive at a conclusion with me mafia which seems to have represnted the general idea even before the mission failed, which completely ignores my play and superbia's (who in my opinion was very townie as the game started and I hoped that would be obvious). Also your arguments in this game show that you put in a ton of caveats. It's like you have a hard time believing your own arguments. "Seems; unless they are buddies; I think x but I don't know if x". Oh and what I mentioned about your first posts in the game? You were totally evasive of the xata superbia exchange and when being asked about it you gave a rather meaningless answer and then started talking about rnging game outcomes, which read very pseudo-helpful to-me. So I guess I made my thoughts on you known without filling two pages with iterations. | ||
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On November 12 2015 18:52 sicklucker wrote: hey vivax can you explain why you voted yes on that last mission? I already did before it started and if that's not enough for you, tough titties. You can go read it instead of asking me dumb questions 2 days after I explained it. | ||
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I can not figure out why you'd ask me that now, it's just unspecific and easy to check by yourself. | ||
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On November 12 2015 19:03 sicklucker wrote: ok so i acualy read your filter. What I learned from it is that you had no read on kita but voted yes on the mission anyway.. Like its your first day in the game you should be no voting pretty much everything to get more information. but you vote yes? You town read rayn sure. you kind of townread rels sure. This could easily be to suit your need to vote yes tho. But 0 mention of kita Like you shouldnt be voting yes if you have no read on kita And I should be voting yes when I want to see if it applies that all the spies voted yes on the sabotaged Xata mission, cause that's what rayn also thought. Anything outside that would have been a gimmicky choice. Attacking my reads when I replace in and focus on finding a townie to sheep and making my decision by votes is an attempt at a low blow to discredit me. I naturally will attempt to gain reads where I can but until I find more time to dedicate to the game like it was the case on this team (which btw would have passed anyway), I won't immediately make my reads the pillar of my decisions. I still think it was a good play cause I wasn't 100% sure my kita paranoia was justified, but felt sure rayn was town and hoped he'd have picked the right combination, which on top of it consisted of people who voted NO to Xatas team. | ||
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Now I'm reasonably sure you're mafia for that nitpicking which is off in timing (you could have asked me that two days ago or just read my filter) and argument (hurr you were unsure on kita and I don't care about any other of the reasons you mentioned for your decision). | ||
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On November 12 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote: I make of the first failed mission that I don't want both of Xata/SL on a mission, and that I'm fine with a team of people who voted no on that mission. We're heading there. I already said I'd look at kita if the mission failed cause I don't trust him for pushing my slot and something about his first post bothering me. L2 read SL. Your argument on me is reaaaally old news. If what you say is supposed to be scummy, it's something you could have said about me two days ago without having to ask me any questions. Pretty bad act from your part, finding a quick shitty reason to join the sentiment against me. | ||
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On November 12 2015 19:21 sicklucker wrote: ya im mafia when I vted yes on the mission that failed and xata wanted me on the first mission as his scape goat. sick reads. Oh ya btw I only voted yes because of rayn on that first mission what a good player I am These aren't my arguments, my argument is that you try to paint me scummy for voting yes as if it surprised you when it was clear from the start that I would, if you cared to read and not just cherry pick a post about me not having a good read on kita. And the timing fits too cause you could have done that two days ago but only do it when you need to join sentiment against me. | ||
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On November 12 2015 19:27 sicklucker wrote: Of course I didnt read your shitty posts after you said I was scum I stopped reading. W/e I have auto with or without you. Seems your on the outs I said you were mafia on the last page. What is this post even supposed to accomplish? If it's justifying your cherry picking of my posts then I think you are confusing timelines. | ||
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On November 12 2015 19:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax, you've mentioned you think Xata is scum, yet you're still going after SL. Do you think Xata nominated two scum in the first mission and then failed it or are you coming round on your Xata read? Also, what is your read on me? Feels wise I lean town on you but it's not a very fleshed out read. I acknowledged stuff such as you actually going against sentiment with your read on me at a good timing (the one where I asked you about your TR on me). It's also pretty unlikely you're spy just for the fact that right now I'm leaning SL + Kita and that's already 2/3 down. I need to reconsider Rels however and take a closer look at what you called throwing shit at you before the mission failed. As for Xata, it was my initial impression after reading the start of the game. I already explained what I didn't like about him. For me the matter is rather simple, I'd rather not have SL on a mission. I don't want kita on a mission. I know a scummy push when I see it, so right now I'm leaning towards SL being spy and Xata being meh (no I haven't come around yet, I will when I'm better caught up). | ||
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On November 12 2015 19:29 sicklucker wrote: to clarify when you said both me and xata are scum. Because thats not even possible. You first think xata is scum (thats fine thats a solid read) then your second unrelated scum read is me which is crazy since were the least likely to be a team in the game. If you scum read xata i expect a town read by defualt another random thing that does not make sense in your filter I was never sure about either of you until you started pushing me with that blob of nonsense, I just knew that the safest play would be to have you both out of the mission. It's just simple logic that if on a failed mission there's 1 guy who I townread and 2 who I'm unsure on, that I rather focus on everyone else and by default decide to not send either of you or Xata on a mission. | ||
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Given SL isn't actually trying to make the case that you're scum, do you still think he's scummy? I don't care if now he says that he doesn't want to push me as spy. That's what he did and on top of it in a super scummy way so I'm not changing my read just cause now he's backpedaling. | ||
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On November 12 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote: I never pushed you before the vote at all dude... You scum read me for something stupid like me saying "we can be cool" you cant even remember your own scum reads... It was a fucking joke dude. I just entered the game and you actually said "wow looks like Vivax isn't immediately scumreading me, maybe we can be friends" which just sounded like you'd put a knife at the throat of anyone who scumreads you. Like an actual mafioso would say, you know? Sure, it was a joke with a core of truth cause I didn't trust both you and Xata, but a joke nonetheless, and you read it like it was a definite scumread. Might as well have cleared Xata back then if that was the case, but it's obvious it isn't. | ||
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Coag/Artanis/Shockey/me would be a great team. Shockey just reads super derpy to me and I have a hard time thinking he's mafia for that. He's more like super derpy townie who causes a lot of wuts. Sure, rayn mentioned the instance where his votes made little sense, but when he overall makes little sense then that puts things into perspective. | ||
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I was around reading that and felt pretty pissed off at the accusations and the big formats she was spamming, and when she started spamming questions about my reads I peaced out and went to bed cause if there's something I can't be arsed to do is take a quick read of some random dudes as if I could do that within a few minutes in a game this size. I think she asked me about kita, then I said something, then she immediately asked me about Artanis. It just felt like a raffic of hasty questions that she didn't elaborate on. I'll play a lot starting tonight/tomorrow, but don't ask me to be a reading machine, read everything within two days, ignoring any points I come across worth mentioning, and just come to the table with finished conclusions. That's utopic for a replacement. | ||
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On November 12 2015 20:01 sicklucker wrote: No team will happen that does not include me and hts. I can understand not including one in extreme circumstances but not two. Anyway vivax let me explain why I came off suspicious as you. If you knew what was happening in the game you should instantly town reading me from your pov because you think xata/kita are scum (im literraly the hardest unaligned player to them in the game) But then I remembered theres no way you acualy read the game and are just being stupid omgus reactive so your null. But dont be an asshole and say my push is lame and scummy BECAUSE IT MAKES PERFECT FUCKING SENSE This post is emotional, ad hominem garbage. | ||
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On November 12 2015 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda want to send me/vivax/shockeyy/coag because there'd be no one that Xata scumreads on there so he'd have no excuse voting no. I'm not sure on vivax though, he's making too much sense which is worrisome. If it's worrisome when I make sense, imagine when I don't. With that logic you are just deciding that you can't read me and call it a day. I stand by my point that SL's push on me isn't just omgus like he claims but is actually based on scummy arguments (him cherrypicking my kita read even though a few posts later I say I'd be fine sending that team in spite of that). And not just the content, also the timing (when people start turning on me he does too with that cherrypick). And when I call him mafia for it, he starts insulting me. | ||
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It goes beyond OMgus, but his arguments were literally just cherrypicking, and they came at the wrong time. | ||
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I think the winning team has to be Artanis/me/Coag/Shockey. Kita, rels, SL, Xata, HTS are all people I don't want on it. Consider that SL/HTS/kita and maybe even Rels (too lazy to check, it's from my memory) all keep trying to push me out of a possible team. Artanis claims that SL doesn't but he did try regardless of intention and joins their camp. I'll be back during the evening. | ||
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Rayn lately keeps pushing people as mafia only for not making sense, so he gets mad and swings the hammer of raging vengance. But I think Shockey is the derpy town of the game. There's always someone for that task in a game of mafia. | ||
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On November 12 2015 20:50 Rels wrote: Yes I can. More than that; I think it's scum indicative IF the consensus if the team will pass whatever someone's vote is AND the vote doen't match up with the read previous to the vote. Now Arta wasn't as clear cut as I thought, but only because he was super non commital. I really don't like how you didn't say much before the vote deadline when the consensus was the team will pass; and now you're like "WHAT GUYS WHY DID YOU ALL VOTE YES". If you were that sure the team would fail, you would have fought BEFORE the vote. Yesss, finally somebody to notice that. | ||
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Coag, something's off about you? Where's the townie seal I am eagerly expecting? | ||
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Especially when he pushes my slot who will start expelling massive townie bricks when I have more time for this game. I just went a bit over Xatalos last pages and I like where his head is, actually. I need more time for this game :> , but my SL read will probably stay as it is, so will the kita read. The last mafia is tricky but I'm leaning towards HTS. | ||
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As for SL and kita I'll have to check when they started scumreading each other, who started with it etc. Rayn said that SL was attacking anyone who attacks him or something similar. I'll look at filters later. | ||
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6. Rels 7. sicklucker 8. kitaman27 9. me These are all people I don't want to decide except 9 of course but point being is that shockey in my opinion makes a mistake putting SL on a team. And the next 3 guys are people I can see being mafia, so you are at a crossroads between townreading one of them or townreading me. More of a technicality but relevant to the strategy. | ||
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I can compromise on swapping myself out with either Shockey or Xata (who I think is more likely to be town than SL) if you don't trust me. If you also TR rayn who in my opinion is a good player but had to be wrong on someone last cycle, that sort of coincides with his reads, with exception of HTS/Shockey. | ||
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I'd claim he can be on the level of BH in mafia mini mafia which is recent, if he puts enough effort into it. I don't think he's on the level of BH in this game teehee. I think the best way to read him is just checking if he pushes townies (or scum objectives) or is actually believably correct on something.Imo he has been focusing on the wrong things, like his setup talk in the start when to me all the exchanges between Xata/super and rayn/Rels felt really interesting (although he could only have commented on Xata/super, rayn/rels happened later and I have to see if he took a stance there). And he has tried to push my slot as being spy which I also didn't like. I thought my slot was looking townier than Xata at the beginning of the game. | ||
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On November 13 2015 07:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am kind of trusting you, but it requires Xata to be scum and with how scummy SL just looked I'm actually not sure on that one anymore. You will never be sure on that, you should compromise on picking two that you don't send on a mission, that's completely feasible, even three. | ||
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That's basically his first response to him: Though I do wonder to myself why a spy Rels would attack me for such a ticky tack point. I'd expect a spy to push something along the lines of "kita isn't contributing what I would expect from his town play", rather than trying to paint me in a bad light from the start. Notice the lack of omgus. If you keep reading you will note that kita talks a lot indirectly about him in his conversations with rayn, Shockey, and Artanis. It's the feeling that kita tries to be invisible while posting, asking a ton of questions without posting much own opinion (setup talk doesn't count). I hope you see what I mean when you read around that time. | ||
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On November 13 2015 07:19 Half the Sky wrote: Kita Vivax has said he's not have had the time to play this game. He is probably going to have bad and/or suboptimal reads regardless of alignment. Why are you suggesting (if you are?) this could be mafia motivated? I don't think my reads are bad (I'll never know until it ends tho), I only regret that I was too optimistic on rayn already being right. I'd have done more research on kita if I had the time :/, since just voting no wouldn't have been enough. | ||
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1) He did indeed read my filter leading to my conclusion that I'm mafia 2) He did not read my filter, yet I go from a "I don't know" read to his scum read anyways No I didn't read your entire filter but it was enough to see how you started the game off. I can sum up that you initially dodged the Xata/my slot fight and quickly switched to setup talk, then gave a sketchy read on Rels and proceeded to not talk about him but asking people about him without really posting conclusions for yourself. Later on you just kept pushing my slot which is the most unproductive thing I have witnessed in the game and I know that for 100 % cause I know my slot. That already cost you my trust points. Then you went to comment on mission 2 including all of me/SL/Xata among possible mafia (in your summary of everyone's reads), with emphasis on SL. But you also said "Xata if SL is town" (which you will never know, and then included me in the remaining pool of suspects outside these two (why outside??) Now you're pushing the notion that I'm mafia. I'm reasonably confident this isn't your town game. Are you okay with shockey's team having SL on it? | ||
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I'm at like page 6 and overall I see you posting a lot of scenarios, or summarize other people's scumreads but you lack one thing so far even after team 2 failed and it's you pushing your favourite team like a lot of people are doing. You are good at talking about things and around things but I don't really see you pushing anything concrete as your own preference when you should actually know that you can be more influent than what you are pulling off with all these summaries, setup talk, iterations and occasional questions about people you mildly townread (Rels). | ||
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Mention a team of people you would accept being sent, cause there's little point in me just calling you mafia if what we're discussing isn't a team with you on it. | ||
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Which is what you have been doing contrary to other people who actually propose teams of townreads, not scumreads. | ||
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On November 13 2015 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh man, I just realized I didn't even nominate the team I wanted..... Work got the best of me  Which 1 did you intend to send? | ||
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On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote: He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception. I snipped out the parts I didn't find as interesting as this one. Your argument revolves just around him aligning himself in a certain way to a player, but you totally ignore the fact he decided to scumread me instead of Xata early in the game and took away his chances of pushing suspicion on him in case of mission fail. So the only thing he could have done was to keep his read consistent and try to clear Xata, your argument here is NAI. You can do better than that, but you aren't town .Other point: You call himself aligning against Xata an "opportunity". Why? What would be the benefit in that situation? | ||
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On November 14 2015 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those? Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies? I didn't read your interaction much yet, but I noticed the lack of interaction between you and him when you voted yes on a team I was on, yet he should have been much more worked up about you instead of me if you were having a beef with each other earlier in the game already. | ||
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Just hope to catch you in another game where you're actually town. HTS/me/Artanis/Coag ftw. Swap me for Shockey, or Xata if needed. Btw I hardly see people considering putting Arta on a team, which I really don't get. 1. He looks townish, 2. He's good at resistance. | ||
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On November 14 2015 01:26 kitaman27 wrote: Don't you answer your own question in your response? Yet instead you're taunting me with stuff like "you can do better than this"? Yes there's no benefit to be had, he could as well just have pushed Xata as town cause he had to. Yet you say there was some sort of attainable benefit in that situation. | ||
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On November 14 2015 01:33 Rels wrote: Have you read the first day carefully ? If yes, how likely do you think two scums voted NO to the first team ? What % would you give to that theory ? 100% | ||
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We know for a fact that at least one spy voted no. I can't say more than that with my current knowledge. I know you somehow want me to accept you being on a team but that's not gonna happen by trying to let me spew some percentages. | ||
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I really enjoyed being able to easily find things I said in my filter but that will only work if I stop spamming. Your servile tone pleases me, Rels. You might make a good butler one day. | ||
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On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game, and rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum. This post kinda makes Xata look better. I'm going through his filter right now. | ||
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I don't want to wait a crapload of cycles again downvoting everything until I get to the final, genuine town deicision maker: ME. | ||
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On November 14 2015 17:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Looking at the votes I'm quite sure this team was clean. Going to afk through Rels' noms and probably yayvote whatever SL puts up. I agree, I'd vote yes to the same combination that got rejected now. | ||
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On November 14 2015 13:00 Xatalos wrote: So it's not over yet... SL is near certainly scum, so that would have been game over. Both SL/HTS upvoted too. Sorry about AFK'ing all day today. Ended up playing games with my brother all day. Slightly demotivated about this game anyways after events with rayn/HTS so it wouldn't have been the most terrible result if we just lost today. Still have to survive through three missions.... Not really confident on teams that would come from Rels or SL, so most likely voting NO on their missions. Seems like there's time to decide the team after voting information from Rels/SL teams and such though, but I'll try to get some work done tomorrow. Recently HTS's posts have been on some sort of subconscious ignore list already, so I guess I'm done trying to even reason about them. Someone asked if I should evaluate her again since some have started townreading her, but I just can't accept her posts to rayn/me could have come from town. They're simply grasping at totally far-fetched reasons to justify suspicion. I guess I'll commend her activity. The motivation to play is there regardless of the motivations for doing things. Anyways, it's 6am here atm :/ gn You funny spy ;> Noone who was in the failed second mission voted yes, so if SL is scum as you say, there's 1 spy who decided not to win the game by voting yes cause ... ?????? | ||
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On November 14 2015 19:03 Xatalos wrote: I mean.... For the first failed mission, they all voted NO too (except rayn). So.....??? And since when did you scumread me btw? Since you claimed that 1 spy voted no for some odd reason when they win after sabotaging one more mission. | ||
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If two spies are on a mission, are there 2 sabotage attempts even outside mission 4 or always just 1? On November 14 2015 19:08 Vivax wrote: Since you claimed that 1 spy voted no for some odd reason when they win after sabotaging one more mission. Addendum: This doesn't apply if rayn was mafia. Actually my tinfoil is starting to tingle, cause everyone on mission 2 voted no to a sabotaged mission except rayn himself, and I really didn't get why he was scumreading Shockey. But if he's spy it makes sense cause then he was able to replace a no-voter with himself as spy. | ||
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On November 14 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote: you voting yes was... surprising... but the only team I can see you with is hts+1 who had who scum claim to vote there. or two people who would scum claim. Also vivax why didnt you vote? I liked your logic for voting there since it was the same as mine. Infact I put that list of the next 4 cycles out since I knew you scum read them all too. Now we have to wait 2 days for me to submit the same team lulz. I might not include vivax tho I went from wanting to vote yes to pretending I would vote yes. Pretending to vote yes to a team people are unsure on is a great way for townies to smoke out spies. Cause then spies feel safe to let a flawed team pass and all end up voting yes expecting to win after the flawed mission passes. | ||
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On November 14 2015 19:26 sicklucker wrote: oh ya and hts/artanis cant be scum together unless its with coag. so that team does not even make sense either. im just confirmed town and you guys are so bad for not seeing it Who is bad and not seeing it? | ||
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I already said: On November 14 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote: I agree, I'd vote yes to the same combination that got rejected now. So I don't get why you're throwing this tantrum | ||
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On November 14 2015 19:42 sicklucker wrote: Your right vivax but yesterday I had 5 being scum reading me two town . you /art im glad your coming around. And coag is a pylon in this game we have to play round like I told you guys already. he shit fought me about that too while still doing nothing and downvoting this team Yea I'm not that sure on Coag myself. That's why I'm asking if 2 spies on a mission both become visible when sabotaging it. Cause I have the scenario in my head where rayn sends himself with teammate Xata, then blames it on you, then sends himself again along with 3 no voters and scumreads Shockey to have an excuse to send himself onto another mission (he who was a yes voter in every mission scum sabotaged) in order for it to fail. | ||
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On November 14 2015 19:48 sicklucker wrote: like vivax if your mafia that mission would have passed. Thats the most important info we got I think and im happy to include you in futures missions. Im acualy more worried about hts being mafia because art voted yes there. But ill probably just ignore that paranoia Yep, can't wait for spies to push scum on me after I voted no to a mission I was on when my vote would have tipped the scales :> Didn't even think of that little side effect. Kudos to you. | ||
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On November 14 2015 21:08 Xatalos wrote: SL probably. I agree that rayn/Coag has the worst mission/vote record (besides HTS), but other things still point more to him being town (his balanced attitude to the game as opposed to his very aggressive/agenda-driven attitude as scum in VS, and his lack of care for getting modkilled etc.). SL also has things against him like first scumreading me, then suddenly townreading me when I put him on the mission with me (meaning he could easily sabotage the mission just by townreading me at that moment). Right, and HTS and Artanis his scumbuds? | ||
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I take it your reads are SL/HTS/Rels So you aren't making any sense right now. | ||
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Kita is mafia. Xata is mafia. Last mafia is either Coag or Rels. Send anyone else, win the game. Concede plz. | ||
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If I was spy, do you think that instead of instantly winning the game after saying I would yolo vote yes, I decide to randomly prolong this for a few more days? | ||
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Xata is among them too. I'm not that sure this was an all town team after all. | ||
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On November 14 2015 21:56 Xatalos wrote: To expand on this: if we assume Rels is scum, it's proven that he's voted NO to a failure team before as well, so why not now? Clearly it's impossible to predict what the exact vote results will be, and it's always scum motivated to confuse the heck out of town with WIFOM. Time is on scum's side after all here (triple LYLO ahead) so why risk everything on voting YES with full force to a fail team? Makes more sense as spy to no vote to a fail team when the mission won't win you the game than when it does. It earns you enough trust to be put onto the next mission. We've seen how that worked out when rayn nominated one. | ||
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On November 14 2015 22:04 Xatalos wrote: I guess that's true. Still there wouldn't be guarantee for scum Rels that voting YES here would win the game either. It's very possible that the team could still be disapproved anyway and Rels would just look bad afterwards. In that case, it would just be a gamble with the possibility of losing the game in the long term or possibly winning the game immediately. I can easily see scum Rels making either choice. Which is why I faked voting yes. Spies were likely to vote yes here just seeing that me and everyone else on that team would support it, plus Artanis who wasn't on it. It's still more likely this was an all town team just by comparing all the votes from failed missions. Another thing I want to mention is that it's not bad at all for spies to bring buddies to their team if always only one sabotage act is detected, it seems to be pretty common around here to say "but he wouldn't want another teammate on that wagon". | ||
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On November 14 2015 22:11 Xatalos wrote: Well, I won't deny that my voting record isn't the best one. I think it's still better than HTS/Coag though. HTS is especially bad because her YES votes have been to failing teams that she herself hasn't been part of, further pointing to her seeing a chance to pass some failing team in those situations (especially voting Rels to pass when she has mostly been scumreading Rels throughout the game). Fair point, I shall revisit HTS. But it would mean that I'm wrong on kita and that's kinda tough cause I always had a bad feeling about him. Tinfoil request accepted. Coag might as well not have voted anything and have defaulted to no on the last mission. Maybe spies missed a victory just cause he's a lazy bum lolz. Fidei said he didn't receive all the votes. | ||
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Right now I'm kinda lazy, I'll be back later. | ||
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He has these brash parts of his filter where he does what the fuck he wants which is kinda townie, but then there are also parts, especially at the start of the game, where I feel like he's going after people for bad reasons. It's so tough to read new players. | ||
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Check this out, it's around the mission Xata issued. Pre-mission-pass: On November 05 2015 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck you are so town sl.  Post-mission-pass: On November 06 2015 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Haha^^ GJ town game is gg. On November 07 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never pushed SL to be on the mission. As you see, he actually believes the mission passes, then he comes back and realizes that everyone else has another opinion and immediately defends himself from the notion that he wanted SL on a mission. That doesn't add up Paying more attention to the way he talks to Rels pre-mission, it looks to me like he gets angry to have an excuse to leave. Pushes scum on Shockey and Rels, but especially on Rels. Will post more as I keep on reading. | ||
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On November 08 2015 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos who do you actually think is most likely to be scum rn? I don't like the "this guy is scum and then two of these five other people". Three people, most likely to be mafia, ok? On November 08 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are going to put both Rels & Shockeyy there you have to explain why my analysis on them does not make sense. This might be semantics/a mistake but asking Xata to explain why he would scumread Shockey shouldn't make sense from rayn's perspective, he should be glad of Xata accepting Shockey being scum. Then we proceed to this: On November 09 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Superbia On November 10 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably not since all of sl/shockeyy/hts/artanis are gonna vote no, i assume you are gonna vote no too. Half the Sky - YES Xatalos - YES Artanis[Xp] - NO raynpelikoneet - YES ShoCkeyy - YES Rels - YES sicklucker - NO kitaman27 - YES Vivax - YES So the mission fails. Only SL and Artanis vote no as predicted. HTS and shockey vote yes. What happens afterwards is that rayn commits suicide by host for some reason. But that at a time where he could have done this: Go wtf on the 2 yes votes and immediately start looking for the mafia on that wagon. Given what he said about those voting no, rayn here would have immediately gone for a team of HTS/Shockey/??? Xatalos! Cause SL voting no here and Xata voting yes should have immediately put Xata into the scummy corner for him. But that wasn't possible cause then the mission wouldn't have failed. So the only conclusion to be gained from this mission is that either rayn, Xata or kita were mafia, which would have made it impossible for HTS and shockey to be mafia too. Instead of thinking logically here, rayn decided to throw a tantrum of rage on purpose, cause the only logical conclusion to be had was that he was dead wrong and that he would look much worse. | ||
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On November 15 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually I think it fits with townRayn after all. He does like his tunnels and he was 100% sure Xata was town. How could he be after the mission he issued failed? HTS shockey are scumreads, he thinks it's an all town team, yet they both vote yes when he thought it would be no. SL votes no. Xata votes yes. He should be 100 % town to himself as town. Where's the conclusion that Xata could be scum? But if Xata is scum then what are HTS and Shockey? All of them weren't on the mission that just failed! | ||
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Your scumteam is what I was at yesterday before rereading anything but it's too easy. And Ockhams razor isn't how you play mafia. Not everything that rages and gets mad at stupid things is a town rayn. He uses being mad as an excuse when he plays mafia. | ||
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Noone who was in the failed second mission voted yes, so if SL is scum as you say, there's 1 spy who decided not to win the game by voting yes cause ... ?????? Except that Fidei said not all votes were sent in, so something might be fishy about this. Tbh I think it would be fair to know who defaulted to "no", the voting outcome should be public, but it might be game breaking, idk. | ||
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Shockey and HTS voted yes to every failed mission except shockey on the first. They also voted yes to shockeys nom. But the spy who sabotaged mission two voted no. My tinfoil is on Coag. Day 1 Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker) Vote Result Half the Sky - YES raynpelikoneet - YES MISSION IS APPROVED Day 2 raynpelikoneet's Nomination (raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Vivax) Vote Result Half the Sky - YES raynpelikoneet - YES MISSION IS APPROVED Day 3 ShoCkeyy's Nomination (Shockey, Vivax, Half the Sky, sicklucker) Vote Result Half the Sky - YES Coagulation - NO <- probably doesn't even know how the game works. MISSION IS REJECTED In summary, here's an accurate depiction of HTS and rayn this game in regards to failed teams: ![[image loading]](http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/257423i450CA8BFA1A9D844/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1) | ||
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On November 10 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: HtS is scum because of two reasons: - there are at least seven instances where she displays she is not reading the thread properly and just saying stuff that is completely incorrect - she is purposefully trying to antagonize me. the stuff she points out is completely wrong and i am gonna go into this tomorrow in more detail, i just don't care to post and dig stuff up rn. Even if she is delusional enough to actually believe in what she says the fact is she reads me town and she has shown she knows what saying things like that (bashing on my play -- especially in games where i actually have played well) do to me. There is absolutely no town motivation to purposefully try to antagonize your townreads. That is a fact. There is only scum motive for that --> to try to make me play not optimally. A few posts later: - She makes up bullshit reasons to call me scum. This isn't town rayn broski | ||
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On November 16 2015 00:26 Half the Sky wrote: Honestly Vivax, I saw that (3903) as NAI, he was so mad at me, he was probably playing at full tilt. We've had a few clashes before, and I just dismissed that as NAI. In any case, if you and others are still taking issue to rayn's meta and voting record, then run with these teams. rayn (if town) was so tunnelled on me, he wasn't going to believe anything I said and I know he will storm back into the thread to spite me post-game. IDK, just keep reading all the comments....I see that as full tilt rayn (which is NAI) and not mafia rayn, but he pulls this shit on people who don't see things the way he does. I don't think you played Drams and his treatment of rsoultin that game was beyond awful. I also retorted against that comment "she makes up bullshit reasons" and we just go back and forth, I mean if you really think it's mafia rayn shitting up the thread, then.... Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/myself If people are paranoid about my voting, then I've tried to give every ample opportunity to explain myself. SL/Vivax are locked in and indestructible town reads. But Xata has done some townie shit too so that leaves rayn as mafia, I have a pretty good record of reading Xata correctly, I think I've caught him in every game where he was mafia and read him as town correctly in every game too. I'm not going to dig it all up but maybe he's willing to confirm. And I think rayn bussed the hell out of you. It just made no sense for him to get mad about you calling his play in some game shit. I think it was an act, otherwise if he gets mad he does it for a reason and if you respond to him in a calm demeanor he can tone it down and say something normally. He didn't do that with you. He acted like he hated you all this game and yet you both always voted the same on the fail teams. I'm just not sure about nr. 3 scum. It can be Artanis or Shockey. Shockey more unlikely. SL/me/??/?? Need to talk to kita and Xata some more to move things forward. Rels too but maybe he's busy with something, given what has happened in France. I wouldn't even have expected Xata to play yesterday after we all were so sure it was an all town team, in the case he's spy. Yet he stuck around and mused about things while I told him to concede. | ||
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On November 16 2015 00:48 Half the Sky wrote: I can't speak for rayn, I just know I was pretty clear in why I voted the way I did, and that two scum voting no is very possible, and again, that voting no on the failed teams does not clear people. Multiple people have said that now. And honestly rayn doesn't take any sort of criticism well, I went back and forth as to how I called his game NAI yet toxic and he kept interpreting that as trying to discredit/antagonise/whatever words he used. I know he slips with English sometimes so I'm not going to put that past him either. But why are you so forgiving towards him? Why does he have to be 100 % town all the time? If he used the arguments on you that he used on me I'd be scumreading him 100 %. I think he just thought you and Shockey looked awful and wanted to send you where the sun doesn't shine and get nomd on every team himself. That's scenario 1. Scenario 2 is that he's mafia with Artanis. That would have worked up until the point where his reads stopped making sense and he went for suicide by mod. Now tell me again if rayn isn't capable of replicating what he did in his last town game you cohosted if he were mafia, do you think he has the short term memory of an ant? I rage ergo sum ? | ||
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All you have to do when rayn gets angry is give him candy, or a cookie, and call him a reindeer. Watch how he purrs like a docile tiger. | ||
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On November 16 2015 04:56 Xatalos wrote: Meh... I still don't see that as a likely interaction if we really were scum. In any case, kita has voted down every failed team... That's pretty townie in itself. I'd like if you could look at HTS more critically from here. I'm not even really sure how you came to the Xata+kita team. Ok that's just not true. He voted yes to mission #2 | ||
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On November 15 2015 05:27 sicklucker wrote: hum this is terrible why not me? im still worried about worlds with hts and artanis especially and I didnt think I would have to make a decision so soon. Cant you just do me and we have 3 more days to decide? im going ot be on the mission 4/5 if this passes anyway so you may as well put me in now... On November 16 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote: You know what i submitted a no vote vivax but I feel like were gonna throw a good win percentage away here for some unlikely thoerys. shockeys threatening to get replaced and we could lose a town vote (again) I might just change my vote to yes here. Hts is an unlikely scum. She was pushing people in thread to vote yes but still her team mats did not vote yes. If hts is mafia she should have won already anyway so lets just go with this im over it. Or is this a wifmo attempt? fear me Can you walk me through in one post how you changed this opinion within the cycle? | ||
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HTS/Shockey/SL/Artanis camp vs the Kita/Rels/Xata/Coag(?) camp, according to voting and behaviour. The problem is that if only 1 scum is bussing, then sending 1 camp always fails the mission (if you pick the right one). | ||
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You all voted yes. Artanis voted yes without being on it. So he wanted it to pass with you/HTS/Shockey/Vivax being on it, and without himself being on it. On November 16 2015 05:31 sicklucker wrote: if artanis is scum we flame hts postgame. if there together we flame xata I TRIED let go with it. If xatas town hes blowing this by still scum reading me ill never be able to work with him and find an artanis replacement that shockey agrees with So if you think that Artanis can be scum you also have to believe that Shockey's team was "dirty". | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:39 sicklucker wrote: likei f hts is scum i want her to win anyway. shes doing things that a scum should not need to do Like saying yes to every failteam and peasant? That sounds like something scum needs to do. Maybe the solution to this game is just to downvote whenever she upvotes and the other way around. Honestly I want to hear more from kita. His voting record is pretty cool besides mission 2 and I don't discard any option when we're close to the endgame. | ||
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Wanna know why? Cause it's impossible that any scum on the right team voted no to a scum to the left team, that would be idiotic. That takes back what I said about 1 scum bussing being dangerous. In fact we KNOW that one team has to be spy and the other town. Unless Coag is spy and forgot to vote. Why do you think I was tinfoiling on rayn? Cause Coag isn't playing this game. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:47 sicklucker wrote: combos of teams i see are like xata/rels/art xata/rels/kita thats pretty much it acualy im down to those two But then Artanis would have wanted the left team to pass without any spy being in it. So you will have to stick to Xata/rels/kita, no reason Artanis would want your all town team to pass but he did. | ||
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On November 16 2015 05:43 kitaman27 wrote: Yeah? Town: Kita HTS Rels Shockeyy (?) SL (based on Xata being in the below group mostly.) Mafia: Artanis Xatalos I'm still trying to think through Vivax and rayn more. Same here, why should Artanis in your opinion vote yes to Shockey's team who in your scenario is all town anyway? If I'm mafia why should I vote no? What's there to think about? | ||
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Coag...Whatevs, he might post a townie seal at some point and maybe vote. Studying at 2 AM, living the dream...  | ||
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On November 16 2015 10:29 kitaman27 wrote: lol stop that. It's day 16. You can't possibly expect me to play four hours a day for three weeks straight. Don't call me lazy though. I expect you to contribute to solving the game but I didn't see that drive much. Imagine all the nice things you could have done as town. It always pains me when good players roll scum, especially cause then I tend to be a dick towards them. Anyway, enough feels talk for the time being. Since Artanis is the guy you weren't sure on, would you YES vote the same team Shockey sent? | ||
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On November 16 2015 11:03 kitaman27 wrote: I've contributed just as much as anyone else has this game. I'd consider the Shockeyy team. So I take it you disagree with the points that I brought up? You think a mafia Artanis whose three scum reads were all excluded from the team would risk a no vote? Also, what do you think about Rels now? You shot down my initially town read, but has that changed? If not, could you summarize why Rels is mafia? I've been asking HTS to do that for about five days now, but she refuses or something. Idk Artanis seemed town to me but whoever it was who said that his post today was probably overexplained did have a point. I think it was Rels. I have no idea whether Rels is mafia. There's a reason I went to tinfoil rayn, HTS etc., their alignment is key to figuring him out. There's just nothing that stands out to me much about Rels. Yes, it's no read at all, but I'm not going to try to form one now in my current tired mood. You mentioned at some point that 2 sabotages were always possible I think, if two spies on a mission did it at once even if it wasn't required until mission 4. Do you still believe/know that? Point being, does it become public if you send 2 spies on a mission and they both choose to sabot, even before mission 4? | ||
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On November 17 2015 04:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: So Coag and Xata confirmed spies. Gotcha. That's possible given they seem to not care about the game atm. Although for Coag it might have other reasons. They also boted no to your mission. I think that there's a chance Rels is town in this game. Leaves Artanis/Kita to figure out. I also noticed kita and Xata were less willing to give me the insta townread for my no vote. Might be they didn't want to have to yes-vote this team. It could also be HTS/SL/Shockey but then I don't mind letting you people win, and I don't want to get into mindfuck land while I have stuff to do atm. | ||
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Specifically of these last 3 days, everything from the point where Shockey failed, to where Rels mission failed. | ||
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On November 17 2015 05:40 kitaman27 wrote: I can put something together, but if you're giving me busy work prior to failing a mission I'll never forgive you  I don't get the prior to failing part. But yeah, put something together, would be nice. I think these last two phases hold some more information. | ||
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Perfers nominated team of Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey followed by Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation It's about HTS. If this is true she's excluding herself from these teams every time. Which would make sense if a spy is already on the team. | ||
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It isn't explicitly stated in the rules that two sabotages from spies show up when they both choose to fail the mission, when it's required on mission 4. But when it isn't required and 2 spies on a wagon pick FAIL, then do we also see 2 sabotages outside of mission 4? I'll assume yes for now. And that means that any combination with 2 spies on a mission is impossible in this game. | ||
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1 between rayn/Xata/SL 1 between kita/Rels/rayn I'm already town hero by game mechanics. Who's left outside of them ? Me, HTS, Shockey, Artanis. 2 approaches: Find the townie in the failed wagons. OR: Find the scum in me/HTS/Shockey | ||
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And we still have another day to talk this through. I like kita for the summary but I still need to gain more info from that. I bookmarked it. | ||
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When rels kita and rayn all have been on the wagon together, yet only 1 sabotage act was detected. | ||
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On November 17 2015 08:28 kitaman27 wrote: What was the better nomination you were you referring to here? Idk, I still have to go over your entire summary (thanks for that), then I might find out. I hoped I could have stopped SL from putting that team up by finding more or less the solution to the game in what you posted. Now I'll just think about whether the team is feasible. Pretty much depends on me deciding whether I want to put all my eggs in one basket and go with it for the sake of poor Koshi haunting these forums cause this game won't end. | ||
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On November 18 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote: I still don't quite see the appeal of a team with HTS in it. She's voted YES to every failure team systematically (even while not being a part of it herself..) and her push on me has been very... Draining. It's just an endless barrage of weak/false arguments. If you're town, HTS, we really need to talk about your arguments post-game. Maybe it's possible you could just be an extremely tunneled and overly optimistic voter. But I still can't easily accept it. If this passes (as it seems), I guess it's pretty much game over either way. If it's all town, it shouldn't be hard to find a fifth objectively clear townie afterwards. Or rather, scum should just concede. If there's scum (HTS....) in there, then GG, well played. I'll probably just vote NO again anyway. Can't bring myself to vote YES for HTS.... But I guess it's not the worst thing even if it passes. Kind of focused on other things at this point. You too except that you were in team 1. | ||
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