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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 09 2015 18:02 GMT
#2124
Hi everyone! Will try to be operative enough for this game in 1-3 hours, I want to catch up properly or I might end up posting crap.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 09 2015 18:57 GMT
#2130
Superbia started out the game great and Xata looks like scum, I have to agree with my predecessor. That's what I gain from reading the start of this game.

Although for me it's more of a toneread on Xata around the phase where super stops posting and kita joins the game. These are all consecutive posts and they look kinda nervous to me.

Xata just came out from an extended discussion with my slot, and that's how his posts look (like he's worn out).
Him talking about kita as if it mattered about his alignment that he didn't reply within ~30 minutes, dropping a series of exhausted posts that look like he's crying out to someone to end his life.

That's a bit exaggerated but

tl;dr: This post series I don't like.

They just look fake and are kinda apathetic. The way he thinks of "oh shit I need to get some reads out now" right after the convo when only 3 players posted look like he feels forced to do that.

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 02 2015 09:00 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I mostly hope Half the Sky would appear. A great deal will depend on her alignment. Such as if her proposed team can even be considered.

Next up seems to be me... That's nice. Should be enough time to find two townies by that time.


On November 02 2015 09:02 Xatalos wrote:
Damn... Am I just antepenultimate because I forgot to claim penultimate?


On November 02 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:
kita, did you get anything out of our furious exchange just now?


On November 02 2015 09:19 Xatalos wrote:
Either there's an elaborate essay incoming or that was a really weak entry....


On November 02 2015 09:29 Xatalos wrote:
I guess there isn't anything.

Can't say either kita or Superbia left good impressions yet. kita for just ignoring everything and leaving, and Superbia for announcing some long-term scumread (??) based on me saying that the lack of communications should be a mess for scum...

Eagerly anticipating Half the Sky's entry... I go to sleep.



And I like rayn for townreading my predecessor and bashing heads with Rels on that matter. I think I want to TR rayn for that.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 09 2015 20:57 GMT
#2158
On November 05 2015 00:52 Superbia wrote:
Nvm about being scared on rayn. This fucking line just solidifies him as town:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, i believe we have 1 mafia in ShoCkeyy, and the rest 2 in kitaman/Rels/Superbia/HtS.


I don't even care that I'm in this list, this echoes my thoughts so much (mostly the second list- I would replace myself with sicklucker).


I'm still not caught up fully but I just read this like 50 pages back. Why is rayn sending himself with 2 people he thought were mafia?

Pardon any ignorance.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 09 2015 21:46 GMT
#2177
I think rayn and shockey are both town. Xata and SL must not be on the mission. That's good so far, they both look craptastic. I'm not sure who of them more with my current knowledge. I just noticed SL posting that if I don't rat him out we can be friends, something an actual mafioso would probably say.

On November 10 2015 05:53 Rels wrote:
rayn though: please consider switching Superbia to shockey unless Vivax amazes everybody. He's the only NO voter I'm doubtful about.


Rels looks good too just for saying this cause knowing I'm town and thinking Shockey is too, I just see no point for a spy to tell rayn to swap out a town for another town (unless speculative wifom planting which is something I don't see here).

I'm vigilant about kita as he's one of the people I can get really paranoid about. I have a history of reading him correctly too so until I get to do that and given that his first posts in the game didn't really scream town to me, I'd prefer to not have him on a mission for now.

I'd be fine with rayn/me/shockey/Rels
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 09 2015 22:37 GMT
#2190
On November 03 2015 22:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I don't even have my full scum team list yet, I don't think anybody has a full scum team list yet, but some how you already do which further fuels my suspicion against you.


I refuse to believe somebody could be mafia and say this xD
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 10 2015 10:20 GMT
#2207
On November 10 2015 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I like Vivax so far since he seems to be accusing people left and right, which he likes to do as town.


Why do you say this? I posted more townreads than suspects.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 10 2015 10:37 GMT
#2211
On November 10 2015 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is absolutely no way HtS is town in this game.


I think that your Shockey scumread is either tinfoil or just out of spite.

This is your scenario:

He voted yes on a team two other spies voted no, and no on a team the 2 other spies most likely upvoted.

All your HTS is mafia with Shockey scenario has somewhat of a footing with team 1 but loses it entirely at team 2 when he voted no against HTS who you claim is scum with him. Everyone who voted no on team 2 is rightly included in your team except Shockey, and yourself who voted yes.

I have to admit I can also see why people would scumread him since I saw how he said kita had a lot more reads than Xata when kita was just listing Xata's reads, but that's a mistake that can happen to both alignments, esp. if he has little time to play.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 10 2015 11:15 GMT
#2218
Thanks for bringing that up, that does make little sense.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 10 2015 16:36 GMT
#2257
Tonight I'm at the corpse turnaround party so I'll catch you tomorrow. For now I'll be sheeping rayn on what he wants. I'm not that sure if kita should be on the team, but should the mission fail I'll be having a better look.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 10 2015 16:47 GMT
#2258
And it would be cool if Shockey expanded on rayn only handpicking quotes to fit his case. Maybe you could explain that more in depth. This fight between him and rayn is very relevant in this game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 11 2015 18:25 GMT
#2346
Do you really think I can be spy with Xata, Rels? After what superbia did to him right at the start of D1?

For now we can just chill and wait for the outcome. All this speculation pre-result is even too tinfoil for me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 11 2015 22:04 GMT
#2367
On November 12 2015 03:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:
Do you really think I can be spy with Xata, Rels? After what superbia did to him right at the start of D1?

For now we can just chill and wait for the outcome. All this speculation pre-result is even too tinfoil for me.


Kita made a good point as to why you sure could be.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 00:07 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
2. It downplays scum.

2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game.


This seems like quite the over analysis for an intro one-liner. There doesn't have to be spy motivation in every post. Why conclude that he is somehow pushing an agenda where it benefits him to trick town into thinking the spies will get steam rolled.

On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly)


Really a stretch here. More speculation without basis than anything.


This is where Kita was day 1. Obviously on the back on new information, and looking how he has interacted with people and THESE READS....

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Here are my reads so far. I'm sure they will change as time goes on. Admittedly there is a lot of wishy/washy or null reads. I'm still not completely sure about anyone really.

[...]

Xatalos - Leaning mafia

On November 03 2015 08:56 Xatalos wrote:
He was also constantly engaged with the thread... Not really sure how it's comparable to you.


This is a flat out false statement to justify his town read on Superbia. Superbia was NOT constantly engaged with the thread. He was absent aside from the start of the game, a 1 hour period where he made several posts, and a return post where he promised future reads. How can a player be both engaged and disconnected from the game at the same time. I question the validity of the town read because he isn't aware of Superbia's absence when several other players start to question the drop off.

Furthermore, he justifies the scum read on me by stating that I am ignoring discussion topics. That makes Xatalos's mindset look even worse when you compare it to his defense of Superbia. Superbia never even comments about the nomination aside from a 1-liner after the fact that he has never elaborated on. I shared my suspicions on both Superbia and Xatalos during the nomination phase and my satisfaction with both HTS and rayn as nominations. It seems like Xatalos generated his reads a few hours into the game and hasn't re-evaluated based on the events of the thread, which I view as a scum trait.

Superbia - Weakly leaning town

Superbia + Xatalos doesn't stand out as teammates and I think Xat looks worse between the two. That's probably the biggest reason that I have him slightly townier than NULL. If I re-evaluated my read on Xata, I'd probably need to do the same here.

On November 02 2015 20:43 Superbia wrote:
I usually start off with lots of big town-reads, not sure where the rest of town is this game lol.


This post felt genuine.

He had no input regarding nominations. I won't necessarily interpret this as spy motivated since he has essentially been absent from the thread, rather than lurking.

On November 02 2015 20:41 Superbia wrote:
Xat's initial post set me off. Saying something like "this is a nightmare for scum" has two results
1. It distances you from "scum".
2. It downplays scum.

1. Is NAI. 2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly). Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game.

Now I already had a very real suspicion that you knew that this set up is not a "nightmare" for scum, as you have played resistance(/avalon) before (noted by you correctly associating my merlin comment with avalon). So that double begs the question why you felt the need to point out that mafia was "weak".


I felt this post was exaggerated. He suggests that Xat is pushing a mafia agenda with the nightmare for scum post in order to catch town off guard. I simply don't think a mafia Xat is lookin that far ahead. If anything, I'd say reason 1 makes more sense. Trying to interpret what a town Xat would enter the game as is a complete guessing game so I felt he was really stretching his read here.


AT THAT TIME, he mentioned they couldn't possibly stand out as teammates, but both have one major thing in common - the reads on each other were a stretch which is common(ish) when mafia need to discredit each other.


From the first failed mission I am 99.9% Xatalos is the saboteur, and the above plus sicklucker's points on Superbia (prior to the fully afk) lurky game make this combination a bit more likely. Again, let me remind everyone SUPERBIA HAD JACK ALL ON NOMS Day 1.

From a mafia mindset he might not have wanted to give anyone away! Thoughts?

Kita, Kita, Kita, where are you...


The reads on each other being a stretch isn't common among mafia, it's common across the entire game. It's part of mafia to interpret a lot of things the wrong way. Often unintentionally so it's just as likely for a townie to do.
And I see no reason why you would discredit your teammate first when you start in a game like this where you want anyone on the team who is a spy to enter a mission.

Your arguments aren't particularly convincing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 11 2015 22:22 GMT
#2371
So in your opinion two spies voted no on the sabotaged wagon?

Are you sure you know how resistance works, HTS?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 11 2015 22:23 GMT
#2372
Like there's a super good reason why a rayn you are townreading 100 % only puts people on his wagon who voted no to the failed wagon.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 11 2015 22:49 GMT
#2377
I make of the first failed mission that I don't want both of Xata/SL on a mission, and that I'm fine with a team of people who voted no on that mission.

We're heading there. I already said I'd look at kita if the mission failed cause I don't trust him for pushing my slot and something about his first post bothering me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 12 2015 09:38 GMT
#2424
All I see is that you spam two pages with a lot of text that can be seen as filler and come to the wrong conclusion kita.

There's no voting analysis in there, you just jump from conclusion to conclusion cementing everything with a bit of reasoning to make it fit into a scenario where I'm scum. But the reasoning

The general idea is that posting your reasoning is townie but I don't think it's that easy. Too many mafias were able to post a lot in my past games.

The quality of your post isn't the quantity, it's getting to the right conclusions with few arguments which make sense.

And you arrive at a conclusion with me mafia which seems to have represnted the general idea even before the mission failed, which completely ignores my play and superbia's (who in my opinion was very townie as the game started and I hoped that would be obvious).

Also your arguments in this game show that you put in a ton of caveats. It's like you have a hard time believing your own arguments. "Seems; unless they are buddies; I think x but I don't know if x".

Oh and what I mentioned about your first posts in the game? You were totally evasive of the xata superbia exchange and when being asked about it you gave a rather meaningless answer and then started talking about rnging game outcomes, which read very pseudo-helpful to-me.

So I guess I made my thoughts on you known without filling two pages with iterations.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 12 2015 09:54 GMT
#2427
On November 12 2015 18:52 sicklucker wrote:
hey vivax can you explain why you voted yes on that last mission?


I already did before it started and if that's not enough for you, tough titties. You can go read it instead of asking me dumb questions 2 days after I explained it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 12 2015 09:57 GMT
#2430
If I sound mad it's cause my filter is really small and it's not much work to go back and read that I was already not fond of kita but still decided it wouldn't be bad play for me to sheep rayn (since I'm a replacement and I'd rather leave it in his hands until I get a better picture of the game, those were my thoughts).

I can not figure out why you'd ask me that now, it's just unspecific and easy to check by yourself.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 12 2015 10:11 GMT
#2435
On November 12 2015 19:03 sicklucker wrote:
ok so i acualy read your filter. What I learned from it is that you had no read on kita but voted yes on the mission anyway..

Like its your first day in the game you should be no voting pretty much everything to get more information.

but you vote yes? You town read rayn sure. you kind of townread rels sure. This could easily be to suit your need to vote yes tho. But 0 mention of kita

Like you shouldnt be voting yes if you have no read on kita


And I should be voting yes when I want to see if it applies that all the spies voted yes on the sabotaged Xata mission, cause that's what rayn also thought.

Anything outside that would have been a gimmicky choice.

Attacking my reads when I replace in and focus on finding a townie to sheep and making my decision by votes is an attempt at a low blow to discredit me. I naturally will attempt to gain reads where I can but until I find more time to dedicate to the game like it was the case on this team (which btw would have passed anyway), I won't immediately make my reads the pillar of my decisions.

I still think it was a good play cause I wasn't 100% sure my kita paranoia was justified, but felt sure rayn was town and hoped he'd have picked the right combination, which on top of it consisted of people who voted NO to Xatas team.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
November 12 2015 10:16 GMT
#2437
Congratz you found 1 line that went against my vote and willingly ignore every other point that I mentioned in favour of voting yes (no votes on the xata wagon + sheeping rayn).

Now I'm reasonably sure you're mafia for that nitpicking which is off in timing (you could have asked me that two days ago or just read my filter) and argument (hurr you were unsure on kita and I don't care about any other of the reasons you mentioned for your decision).
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