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On November 12 2015 04:17 kitaman27 wrote: When you were on the fence with the day one team between Xata and Super, Xata seemed pretty interested in getting himself included. He didn't discredit the super team completely, but he showed the preference towards being the one you chose. If they were buddies, it wouldn't really matter much which of the two was picked. I suppose he could be trying to emulate how a town player would think there. Super voting no on the rayn/xata/SL team suggests they aren't buddies, but I guess one of the spies voted no d1 if today fails, unless rayn is the bad guy. I'll have to do a re-read on super/vivax and Rels if the game isn't over in a couple hours More food for thought re: Xata/Super On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. | ||
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On November 12 2015 04:55 Xatalos wrote: Well, it's more PoE than anything really. Meaning that I thought rayn and Superbia looked better than you two. I didn't even call you two scum there  Vague as in being evasive about his own reads and mostly asking questions / taking a pretty neutral stance on things. Perfect timing, this (plus what Artanis highlighted in my previous post) is a few examples of what I mean by the shallow reads from Xatalos. "So can you expand on him being vague?" You said he was evasive on his own reads - he provided a list post early on and even clarified where he stood after he gathered reads from people. This one is particularly bad because there are no hard conclusions on anyone in that post and also Superbia had hardly done jack all - stressed again by Artanis in my last post, yet he's placing him above Kita/Rels, both of whom have done/posted a substantial amount for the game regardless of their alignment. And he PoEed someone (anyone, be it Rels or whoever) after eliminating someone whose hardly done much for the game in comparison, and especially without explaining why. The reads are beyond awkward for a town player. | ||
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On November 10 2015 21:54 Xatalos wrote: I was considering voting YES (since the next leaders wouldn't most likely suggest anything better than this), but these endorsements really give me the creeps....... Both SL/HTS being excited about the team..... Geh :/ Kind of feels like there could be scum included after all. Thoughts, rayn? On November 10 2015 22:00 Xatalos wrote: You seemed very confident in the earlier me/SL argument though? You mean they could be trying to reproduce that argument now....? I guess it's possible. Still concerns me quite a bit.... On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote: Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS.... On November 10 2015 22:33 Xatalos wrote: Mainly just that I'm not that confident on them + SL/HTS endorsing this team. It's not like it's the worst team in itself. Just not the best, and endorsed by the two most likely scum :/ And after all this, guess who voted yes to this team? Not sicklucker, folks... (Yeah, I did too, but I explained why immediately after the result.) | ||
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On November 12 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So after hard scumreading both me and hts for the better part of the game, rels decides I am confirmed mafia and HtS is confirmed town in the event of a fail as soon as he comes back to the thread, with me being in all of his potential teams. Why does anyone consider him town again? THIS SO MUCH. | ||
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If I'm wrong on Vivax, then it's Kita. 99.9% sure on Xatalos 99.9% sure on Rels At least 75% sure on Vivax #youhearditherefirst #postgamecred #itsnotover #nevergiveup | ||
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On November 12 2015 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So anyway, the fact that rels is already trying to throw shit on me before the mission failed makes me pretty sure he's scum. Looking at potential partners, I actually don't think shockeyy's scum. Two reasons: A) he really hasn't been playing to any kind of wincon and in the end I have to admit it probably means he's town. B) I don't think mafia rels would be the first to risk townreading shockeyy whom looked really bad. As for HtS, I actually think she might be town. The way she keeps on trucking and focuses on solving the game even in the face of being nearly universally townread makes me eerie. Which means there must be a scum in kita/vivax too since scum xata would never nominate scum sl with him and rayn is never scum this game. Gonna have to focus on that later. So it looks like we are on nearly the same page, although you think I must be universally scumread, not townread lol. What do you think about the interactions between Kita/(then) Superbia/and Xatalos day 1? Points against and/or of discussion on Superbia - lurky mafia meta - a bit of a stretch read against Xatalos - no input on any of the nominations day 1 Thoughts? | ||
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rayn was not mafia. His overall behaviour this game is not alignment indicative. He shitfights commonly as town. His nitpickiness/scumhunting method he's had this game was pretty towny. I tried to explain this to Shockey. Coagulation I look forward to your thoughts (or seeing as you are American, waking up to reading them). | ||
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On November 12 2015 07:23 Vivax wrote: Like there's a super good reason why a rayn you are townreading 100 % only puts people on his wagon who voted no to the failed wagon. You're referring to the team he picked just now, right? Assuming you are: I'll tell you the same thing I told at least three other people earlier in the game, disassociation. Xatalos was picked with rayn and sicklucker to mission. Do you realllllllyyyyyy think Xatalos is going to vote no? It is also not hard to figure where people stood on reads with people. If you know where enough people are going to place their votes on a flawed wagon you can separate ahead of time. Let's recap: sicklucker went into mission as the weakest townread, and rayn pushed SL at the end on account of his own read, but more critically, the people he perceived as being mafia at the time (IIRC myself, superbia, rels) opposing his inclusion and wanting Artanis. As I said, if I'm wrong on you for whatever reason, it's Kita. Even then the game is nearly solved. I am very confident on Rels/Xatalos as the first two, and very confident on the following as town: rayn (Coag)/myself/Shockey/Artanis/sicklucker. Any combination of the above 4-5 is fine by me over the final three missions. One of the things I am going to do before/on my flight tomorrow is go through Kita's filter and tinfoil the shit out of it. | ||
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On November 10 2015 06:46 Vivax wrote: I think rayn and shockey are both town. Xata and SL must not be on the mission. That's good so far, they both look craptastic. I'm not sure who of them more with my current knowledge. I just noticed SL posting that if I don't rat him out we can be friends, something an actual mafioso would probably say. Rels looks good too just for saying this cause knowing I'm town and thinking Shockey is too, I just see no point for a spy to tell rayn to swap out a town for another town (unless speculative wifom planting which is something I don't see here). I'm vigilant about kita as he's one of the people I can get really paranoid about. I have a history of reading him correctly too so until I get to do that and given that his first posts in the game didn't really scream town to me, I'd prefer to not have him on a mission for now. I'd be fine with rayn/me/shockey/Rels Vivax Let's say I'm wrong on you. For your filter, these are your current reads. You don't like Xata or sicklucker. Fine. What do you make of the first failed mission as both were on it? Do you have an updated read on Kita? At this stage, based on the information already out (or seeing as it's 20m prior to mission flip if you only see this after the flip) who are your scumteam? | ||
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On November 12 2015 07:49 Vivax wrote: I make of the first failed mission that I don't want both of Xata/SL on a mission, and that I'm fine with a team of people who voted no on that mission. We're heading there. I already said I'd look at kita if the mission failed cause I don't trust him for pushing my slot and something about his first post bothering me. Any thoughts on Artanis? Not really any comment on him in your filter. | ||
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Pick any four of: rayn/HTS/SL/you/Artanis rayn is town, please trust me on this one, if you cannot, then go with you, me, SL, Artanis. Absolutely positively avoid Xatalos or Rels. I am still up in the air with Vivax/Kita. Avoid them not because both of them are scum but I am still looking at both. Artanis is also examining both atm as well. | ||
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On November 12 2015 08:07 Half the Sky wrote: Shockey, please trust me on this: Pick any four of: rayn/HTS/SL/you/Artanis rayn is town, please trust me on this one, if you cannot, then go with you, me, SL, Artanis. Absolutely positively avoid Xatalos or Rels. I am still up in the air with Vivax/Kita. Avoid them not because both of them are scum but I am still looking at both. Artanis is also examining both atm as well. EBWOP for replacement: Pick any four of: Coagulation/HTS/SL/you/Artanis Coagulation (rayn's old slot) is town, please trust me on this one, if you cannot, then go with you, me, SL, Artanis. | ||
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I have to shut my phone off in the customs zone but before I do... sicklucker, I'll read your filter and your rationale for scumreading Artanis/changing on Rels. Rels to me has both town and mafia motivations for posting. Just quickly skimming through all these pages I don't understand how Kita is townreading Rels but he might not be familiar with Rels' scumgame. I'm on mobile - Kita if you are town, please reference Rels' SOTW 2 and Drams mafia filters so you don't get fooled here? He's good at LOOKING town when he ISN'T town. I'll read closer when I'm in a taxi or at lunch or something. On November 13 2015 00:16 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, so you expect me to consider the scenarios where I could be mafia? How does that help me figure things out in the slightest? Are you considering the scum team to be Artanis/X/Y? Of course not. And of all the things that I have said this game, THAT is the reason you don't want me on any teams? You explain that Vivax is more likely town than me because of the relationship with Xata, yet never once bring up the topic of myself and Xata. In what way does that make sense? Vivax, I want you to read the bolded, I looked at Superbia/Xatalos actions and I looked (if you haven't read my filter) at Kita interactions with Superbia/Xatalos. I felt his were more on solid ground and less likely to be mafia motivated than Superbia's/Xatalos. Why do you think this method of PoEing into you as the final mafia is flawed? From that same vantage point, why WOULD you think Kita/Superbia/Xatalos interactions are mafia motivated (from Kita) or DO you think so? If you don't understand me now, I'll try and hash it out when I'm well out of the airport. | ||
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I do it all the time in real life. And how are you going back and forth from your penultimate read clearing me and then saying "oh wait she's thinking of teams ahead, she's mafia" that makes zero sense especially when most of thread sentiment has been to sit on their bums and wait for the flip once the team is submitted. You also have failed to take into account that especially most of the first half of this game I have had VERY little choice in when I could play this game and until yesterday very little time period to play, with 3 15-hour days at work so far with this game. I have had to choose between posting when I actually can post or not posting at all. Additionally, you are unfamiliar with this game so from that standpoint alone - I know you scumread me from the beginning when I did that, so why aren't you tagging sicklucker (or did you and I just missed skimming it????) for doing the same thing in round 2 when we were both convinced the mission would fail on a 7-2 vote? | ||
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On November 13 2015 00:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: HtS how long will you be in NYC? I'll be up there next week for a few meetings. 10 days. 21/22nd. Beware though, I work minimum 12 hours when I'm here. And then I want to shoot myself after! | ||
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On November 13 2015 00:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: ##Nominate ShoCkeyy, Vivax, Artanis, Sicklucker Okay, I know you don't like rayn/Coagulation. Why Vivax/Artanis over myself? I need more information from Kita/Vivax before I feel comfortable voting ANY team with either on it. | ||
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