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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
as for Kita's voting record, again disassociation. Same thing I told with Rels and sicklucker called the same thing out earlier, Rels voting no alone will not vindicate him. The SAME applies for Kita. All you people need to do is ensure but one Mafia get on a team and then cruise on that regardless of who voted what. The voting records are one set of data points, filters/reads etc are a big part as well. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stop distorting the facts. I explained multiple times over that rayn's behaviour was TOXIC but NON ALIGNMENT INDICTATIVE. I also fuether defined what i meant by toxic for town. This was because at the time I felt Shockey was wrongfully scumreading him. Shockley's conclusion was reasonable as Mafia do prefer to shit up the thread at times but he doesn't know rayn's meta and there's where I did examples. Rayn saying that I was scumreading him (and I told him it was not true either) was because he cannot take any criticism of his play and it had ZERO to do with determining alignments. I corrected him as well. Fair bit of reaching you are doing there. The scumpushing happened before your "toxicpushing", although I also agree with rayn that the latter had no town motivation and plenty of scum motivation to destroy rayn's credibility. Funny how you say I'm "reaching". You never bothered to comment on my replies to your "cases" on me which were almost too ridiculous to even reply to. rayn said as much too, and someone else (kita?). | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 14 2015 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh and I'm quite amused that Kita's PoE basically left him with having to scumread himself now that Vivax is basically confirmed town. ya that should be interesting | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:03 sicklucker wrote: do you not agree that my only possible scum team combination is hts/art/sl? do you think hts and art are a team? Theres alot of reason I dont think they are. The main one is because hts was pushing art on the team we submited. If hts is scum she would not try to look scummy because she only needs one scum to be on that team (her) theres no scum motive for hts scum to make artanis look better if there partners since she is basicly granted to be on any mission team. Hts is also trying to convince me in thread to think art is town. thats a really pointless thing for hts to post if the three of us are the scum team Hm. That's pretty WIFOM, but I don't really think it's ever bad for scum to manipulate town opinions. How did you come to the conclusion that only SL/HTS/Artanis would make sense though? Actually I think that team is impossible, just looking at the mission fails. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Why do you think I was trying to convince Shockey out of the tunnel? In what world does that make sense if I thought Rayn was scum? Please. This is pretty pathetic from you because you are scumreading me based on fallacy. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:06 Half the Sky wrote: Xatalos, Kita is scum based on association from Rels. That's my primary reason and I cited post references before. Vivax and Artanis made great posts BTW on Kita always framing their behaviour from an exclusive Mafia lens. as for Kita's voting record, again disassociation. Same thing I told with Rels and sicklucker called the same thing out earlier, Rels voting no alone will not vindicate him. The SAME applies for Kita. All you people need to do is ensure but one Mafia get on a team and then cruise on that regardless of who voted what. The voting records are one set of data points, filters/reads etc are a big part as well. Do you really think scum kita would vote against every fail team and Rels would also vote against them (except once)? Doesn't seem like a very likely team to me. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:08 sicklucker wrote: anyway xata if your town you have the most info knowing me/shockey/vivax are confirmed town. so ill read your posts here and see if ill read your posts ever again this game Hm? How? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 14 2015 21:08 Xatalos wrote: SL probably. I agree that rayn/Coag has the worst mission/vote record (besides HTS), but other things still point more to him being town (his balanced attitude to the game as opposed to his very aggressive/agenda-driven attitude as scum in VS, and his lack of care for getting modkilled etc.). SL also has things against him like first scumreading me, then suddenly townreading me when I put him on the mission with me (meaning he could easily sabotage the mission just by townreading me at that moment). ya you cant think this still if your town | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:10 Half the Sky wrote: Again at no point have I ever scumread Rayn at any point this game. Why do you think I was trying to convince Shockey out of the tunnel? In what world does that make sense if I thought Rayn was scum? Please. This is pretty pathetic from you because you are scumreading me based on fallacy. Look in the mirror  None of your reasons to scumread me have made the slightest amount of sense.It's also pointless for you to say that you "never scumread him" when a lot of your posts are about putting suspicion on him / discrediting him. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:12 sicklucker wrote: ya you cant think this still if your town Explain | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 14 2015 21:24 Vivax wrote: You don't have to do anything. We send the same team which is a confirmed town team cause all people from mission 2 no-voted it. Just that this time I vote yes. Kita is mafia. Xata is mafia. Last mafia is either Coag or Rels. Send anyone else, win the game. Concede plz. thats a good point but i would expect coag to no vote that if hes town | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 14 2015 21:33 Xatalos wrote: Let's see... 1) There's at least 1 scum between Coag/SL 2) There's at least 1 scum within Coag/Rels/kita/Vivax 3) There's at most 1 scum within HTS/Artanis/shockeyy (unless Coag is scum) Those are clear facts... Now it gets a bit more tricky, but hold on. 4) HTS and kita probably aren't scum together (because HTS put kita as a preference to her own team - just why if they were both scum? - makes more sense if kita was the one to be blamed afterwards) 5) SL and Coag probably aren't scum together (again, just why would rayn/Coag endorse SL to the team then?) Hmmm... The most sensible combinations seem to be: SL/HTS/Rels SL/HTS/Vivax Other combinations don't make too much sense. But then again, Rels voted NO to the team just now, and I doubt Vivax is scum atm. I guess I *could* be wrong on one of HTS or SL. I'll need to think about this.... the third point is only clear if i am scum. its does not count if coag is scum. I am confirmed town so... | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
RELS /SUPER/YOU/VIVAX/RYAN what do they have in common xata? + Show Spoiler + they all voted no on two teams that I was on and can not be on a scum team with me | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:13 Xatalos wrote: Look in the mirror None of your reasons to scumread me have made the slightest amount of sense.It's also pointless for you to say that you "never scumread him" when a lot of your posts are about putting suspicion on him / discrediting him. You can say that all you want since you are a spy...except I'm actually reading threads and pulling shit together and you're coming up with entirely fabricated reasons but whatever. Lol. Not once any suspicion on him being mafia, and discrediting him for this game was BEHAVIOUR BASED NOT ALIGNMENT BASED. "Not read based not I felt he was wrong based." And most people here are smart enough to know his meta but Shockey was unfamiliar. His behaviour destroys towns in a manner that is NAI. IF you want to keep stretching the truth on that one go right ahead. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On November 14 2015 23:14 sicklucker wrote: thats a good point but i would expect coag to no vote that if hes town again well done Vivax. Now I'm going on my run. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 14 2015 22:30 Xatalos wrote: So I guess considering all that, my optimal team would be something like me+Vivax+kita+...shockeyy/Artanis? Seems like there would be a good chance of that being clean. Not really sure about the last two options though, neither of them have great vote records (or really play for that matter).... It's just PoE. But kita+Vivax have pretty much perfect vote records so there's that... Vivax also hasn't really looked scummy at any point IMO if shockey was mafia the last team would have voted yes. rels/you/kita all only scum read me on that team. all they had to do was town read me which would have been easy with the effort I put into the game and wolla | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
We chose to pass it, so there had to be some secret communication to avoid essentially loosing the game automatically, yet there was only one sabotage. It's very rare for a scum team to upvote a double spy mission because of this reason. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Im paranoid enough to be talking to you but your not really helping push that paranoia | ||
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