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Xatalos
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On November 14 2015 22:12 Vivax wrote: Which is why I faked voting yes. Spies were likely to vote yes here just seeing that me and everyone else on that team would support it, plus Artanis who wasn't on it. It's still more likely this was an all town team just by comparing all the votes from failed missions. Another thing I want to mention is that it's not bad at all for spies to bring buddies to their team if always only one sabotage act is detected, it seems to be pretty common around here to say "but he wouldn't want another teammate on that wagon". Maybe....... Still there's also the common thought that people that haven't been on failure teams should be prioritized for new teams. That's been more common so far actually. Having 2+ scum on a failure team seems pretty bad since the next team would quite likely be all town in that case. | ||
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Vivax
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On November 14 2015 22:11 Xatalos wrote: Well, I won't deny that my voting record isn't the best one. I think it's still better than HTS/Coag though. HTS is especially bad because her YES votes have been to failing teams that she herself hasn't been part of, further pointing to her seeing a chance to pass some failing team in those situations (especially voting Rels to pass when she has mostly been scumreading Rels throughout the game). Fair point, I shall revisit HTS. But it would mean that I'm wrong on kita and that's kinda tough cause I always had a bad feeling about him. Tinfoil request accepted. Coag might as well not have voted anything and have defaulted to no on the last mission. Maybe spies missed a victory just cause he's a lazy bum lolz. Fidei said he didn't receive all the votes. | ||
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Xatalos
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Besides, there's still always the chance that Rels is town. That would easily explain the situation too. But that would mean both SL and HTS probably wouldn't be scum.... | ||
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On November 14 2015 22:17 Vivax wrote: Fair point, I shall revisit HTS. But it would mean that I'm wrong on kita and that's kinda tough cause I always had a bad feeling about him. Tinfoil request accepted. Coag might as well not have voted anything and have defaulted to no on the last mission. Maybe spies missed a victory just cause he's a lazy bum lolz. Fidei said he didn't receive all the votes. HAHAHAHAHA that would just be too funny :D:D | ||
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Seems like there would be a good chance of that being clean. Not really sure about the last two options though, neither of them have great vote records (or really play for that matter).... It's just PoE. But kita+Vivax have pretty much perfect vote records so there's that... Vivax also hasn't really looked scummy at any point IMO | ||
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Half the Sky
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On November 14 2015 21:18 Xatalos wrote: HTS is the most likely other scum yeah. Her terrible vote record and bullshit reasons to push me/rayn after the first fail should be reason enough. The last scum I'm not sure about atm. I thought it was Rels, but then he voted NO to the team just now....... Hm. I guess it could be Artanis as well. His vote record approaches HTS levels of bad if we include this most recent vote. It's probably not you, also considering the most recent vote as well. Meh. But SL/HTS I'm like 95+% are scum at least. Hahahahahahaha!!!!! I have never once scumread Rayn. Hilarious. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On November 14 2015 22:17 Vivax wrote: Fair point, I shall revisit HTS. But it would mean that I'm wrong on kita and that's kinda tough cause I always had a bad feeling about him. Tinfoil request accepted. Coag might as well not have voted anything and have defaulted to no on the last mission. Maybe spies missed a victory just cause he's a lazy bum lolz. Fidei said he didn't receive all the votes. Vivax In both cases I explained why I voted for the failed teams. And if it comes to it I can come up with the teams you need that leave myself off. The scumteam are Xata/Rels/Kita so its super easy to sort out the rest. What I suggest you look at is the rationale leading up to the failed votes. Xatalos should have never voted mission 2 on for all the reservations he had. Also extra town points to you (Vivax) for the smokescreen...not like you needed them. I have no idea tbf what Coagulation is doing though. | ||
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Half the Sky
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I am sure rayn had the same rationale or explained why he was doing what he was doing prior to voting for the failed missions. | ||
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Vivax
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Right now I'm kinda lazy, I'll be back later. | ||
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Half the Sky
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I also recall sicklucker and I calling out people right when the mission 2 team votes passed and we knew immediately the team would fail. He mentioned something about Rels should have never passed the team based on his reads but there I honestly cannot remember why. Xatalos was more obvious because I'd actually caught it and he put the frame of reference on "sicklucker/myself upvoting the team" rather than what he thought of Kita Rels when Rayn queried him. | ||
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Half the Sky
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AFK for a 15km run then I will be in and out. | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 14 2015 22:33 Half the Sky wrote: Hahahahahahaha!!!!! I have never once scumread Rayn. Hilarious. Much like shockeyy, you never directly called him scum, but made a lot of posts putting suspicion on him. rayn himself at least was sure that you pushed him. | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 14 2015 22:38 Half the Sky wrote: Vivax In both cases I explained why I voted for the failed teams. And if it comes to it I can come up with the teams you need that leave myself off. The scumteam are Xata/Rels/Kita so its super easy to sort out the rest. What I suggest you look at is the rationale leading up to the failed votes. Xatalos should have never voted mission 2 on for all the reservations he had. Also extra town points to you (Vivax) for the smokescreen...not like you needed them. I have no idea tbf what Coagulation is doing though. Btw I did explain why I voted like I did. SL's auto-nomination would have been a surefire way to lose. At least that team had hope. But you haven't read my posts in ages anyway so whatever. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On November 14 2015 19:37 sicklucker wrote: So all this analyst confirms that the scum team is xata/rels/kits + an outside chance of vivax but this is less likely because he had a very good inthread excuse to vote. I think if hes mafia here he would have voted yes so acualy im pretty sure on vivax vivax can be town. Art is also likely town but his yes vote is worrisome since his last inthread posts were talking about how he cant vote yes because of me. But his most likely partner is hts. Hts is probably on my mission so including art is not the worst. Replacing coag with art is possible. That leaves me with coag. im not as sure as the rest of you that hes town but there are obvious meta reasons to think thats the case. While I originally wanted to include him im thinking I might not just because the last team seemed pure already based on votes. He was on both missions and there is weird worlds were he is scum with the no voters. one of ryan/art will have ot be included on mission 4/5 anyway so I dont think it matters much if we put one of the two on the missions. Acualy since we need 5 confirmed towns heres what I promise to do on my noms. I will try to nominate a team of 4 that does not include myself. This will confirm me (again) and the 4 people who I submitted. This will give us 5 confirmed towns and force the scum the concede earlier and make you morons less suspicious of me since im not submitting myself. But if I have doubts I will include myself 100% agreed. btw | ||
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On November 14 2015 22:38 Half the Sky wrote: Vivax In both cases I explained why I voted for the failed teams. And if it comes to it I can come up with the teams you need that leave myself off. The scumteam are Xata/Rels/Kita so its super easy to sort out the rest. What I suggest you look at is the rationale leading up to the failed votes. Xatalos should have never voted mission 2 on for all the reservations he had. Also extra town points to you (Vivax) for the smokescreen...not like you needed them. I have no idea tbf what Coagulation is doing though. Not really sure why you call kita scum when he has voted against every failing team while you have voted FOR every failing team without even being included in them  And on pretty shaky grounds such as voting in SL even though you suspected him to be scum at the time, and Rels whom you had scumread up to that point. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On November 14 2015 22:49 Xatalos wrote: Much like shockeyy, you never directly called him scum, but made a lot of posts putting suspicion on him. rayn himself at least was sure that you pushed him. Stop distorting the facts. I explained multiple times over that rayn's behaviour was TOXIC but NON ALIGNMENT INDICTATIVE. I also fuether defined what i meant by toxic for town. This was because at the time I felt Shockey was wrongfully scumreading him. Shockley's conclusion was reasonable as Mafia do prefer to shit up the thread at times but he doesn't know rayn's meta and there's where I did examples. Rayn saying that I was scumreading him (and I told him it was not true either) was because he cannot take any criticism of his play and it had ZERO to do with determining alignments. I corrected him as well. Fair bit of reaching you are doing there. | ||
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On November 14 2015 21:53 Xatalos wrote: Meh... If Coag was scum, things would get a lot more complicated and the scumteam could be almost anything. It would just mean that SL would be likely town and Rels/kita/Vivax would have much reduced chances of being scum (again, since rayn/Coag put them on his own team willingly - just why if there was scum included?). It would be quite likely that there would be 2 scum among HTS/Artanis/shockeyy then. Actually, I guess it would kind of fit better than SL+HTS+?. Meh... If rayn was scum all along, he really managed to fool me. And if we assume HTS would be town (which I really just refuse to believe) and SL scum, then Coag would be very likely town and the scum would probably be Rels/kita + Artanis/Shockeyy. Which I guess isn't impossible either, but what's impossible is HTS being town to begin with....... So all in all, I guess Coag being scum over SL makes more sense considering potential scumteams / vote records...... But just based on play, SL seems quite a bit more likely scum. HTS being town and SL being scum makes some amount of sense, but less so than the previous world, and what makes least sense of all is HTS possibly being town :/ Meh.... I still think it's very possible they're just both scum (SL/HTS). The only non-sensible part is Rels voting NO last time, but since he did the same to a previous fail team, I guess it's not impossible to happen again now. Other than Rels, it's not very likely for anyone else (except maybe Vivax) to be with SL/HTS. It would make some sense considering that HTS has otherwise scumread Rels, but townread Rels when Rels was nominated on a team... Much like SL townread me only when he needed to so that the mission including him would be accepted. I guess it's still quite plausible after all, considering that Rels has provably voted NO to a failing team before as well. So SL/HTS/Rels (or *maybe* Coag + probably 2 out of HTS/Artanis/shockeyy) for post game cred do you not agree that my only possible scum team combination is hts/art/sl? do you think hts and art are a team? Theres alot of reason I dont think they are. The main one is because hts was pushing art on the team we submited. If hts is scum she would not try to look scummy because she only needs one scum to be on that team (her) theres no scum motive for hts scum to make artanis look better if there partners since she is basicly granted to be on any mission team. Hts is also trying to convince me in thread to think art is town. thats a really pointless thing for hts to post if the three of us are the scum team | ||
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