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On November 14 2015 01:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.
GET DUNKED I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those? Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies? I didn't read your interaction much yet, but I noticed the lack of interaction between you and him when you voted yes on a team I was on, yet he should have been much more worked up about you instead of me if you were having a beef with each other earlier in the game already.
Well when do you plan to? It would take probably five minutes to do a control + F for whenever I mention his name and then come back to the thread with a conclusion. Considering that is the scum team that you seem to be set in stone with, then it really should be a priority over anything else.
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On November 14 2015 01:14 Vivax wrote:
You call himself aligning against Xata an "opportunity". Why? What would be the benefit in that situation?
On November 14 2015 01:14 Vivax wrote:
took away his chances of pushing suspicion on him in case of mission fail.
Don't you answer your own question in your response? Yet instead you're taunting me with stuff like "you can do better than this"?
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On November 14 2015 01:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 01:17 Vivax wrote:On November 14 2015 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.
GET DUNKED I've responded to you about Rels like you asked and posted about Artanis. What do you have to say about those? Also, based on this post does that confirm that you've read my filter regarding my interaction with SL and still hold the conclusion that we are buddies? I didn't read your interaction much yet, but I noticed the lack of interaction between you and him when you voted yes on a team I was on, yet he should have been much more worked up about you instead of me if you were having a beef with each other earlier in the game already. Well when do you plan to? It would take probably five minutes to do a control + F for whenever I mention his name and then come back to the thread with a conclusion. Considering that is the scum team that you seem to be set in stone with, then it really should be a priority over anything else.
^ Dodged.
You don't need to talk to me about this even. Talk with your town reads why this is viable (you can't).
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On November 13 2015 06:20 Vivax wrote:
As for SL and kita I'll have to check when they started scumreading each other, who started with it etc.
I'll look at filters later.
On November 14 2015 01:03 Vivax wrote:
While thinking to myself that kita is probably 100 % scum for the 100th time, I also realized that SL went super aggressive on me with his shitty push about me voting yes to the team, but he didn't bitch about kita doing the same thing while scumreading my slot, yet they both keep bringing up how they can't be in a team together.
GET DUNKED
On November 14 2015 01:29 Vivax wrote:
I don't think I'll be pursuing further conversation with you, kita. I'm dead set on you being mafia
HTS, this is the guy that you are saying is willing to re-evaluate?
He literally concluded that I'm mafia without reading my filter. I honestly don't know what to say at this point.
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On November 14 2015 04:47 Half the Sky wrote:
He was re-evaluating both you and sicklucker in any case.
Why do you say this though? By throwing a few questions my way about town reads? When I respond to him with a second explanation of my town read on Rels he responds with the random "DUNKED" comment. This isn't interacting with me. It takes me asking him to comment on Rels for him to respond. I also ask for him to comment about artanis and he gives a one liner without explanation that he is town. I ask him to explain the kita + SL read further by reading my filter and he states that he won't be discussing things with me further because I'm scum.
He is not re-evaluating me. He claims that he has read the first six pages of my filter. He later states that he hasn't had a chance to look at my interaction with SL yet. How is this possible? Pages four through six of my filter are essentially ALL INTERACTIONS with sicklucker. Here are a bunch of posts that he would have had to read.
On November 05 2015 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Who are the bad guys SL?
On November 05 2015 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 09:40 sicklucker wrote:On November 05 2015 09:13 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team On November 05 2015 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
oh i liked the xatalos filter thing. i think we should pass this its very likely 3 towns from my pov Since this post infers that you didn't see the xatalos analysis until now....why does super need an excuse to reject the SL/xat/rayn team if you thought xat was scum? Wouldn't a scum super be happy to pass the team you thought had a spy in it? WHY would scum want a all town team to pass? You called xata scum though at that point. So it wasn't an all town team from your perspective. Yet you scum read him for wanting to reject it anyways.
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?
On November 06 2015 01:49 kitaman27 wrote:So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL. Your two main points initially were 1) That he would bus as a spy. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:SL would bus (lol).  Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. And i still think SL would just bus. On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote:
unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission. 2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now. Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda? The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy. Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion?
On November 06 2015 03:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 03:21 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno about that bus thing, but isn't it a quite restrictive scum strategy to only approve teams that you're a part of? Well it's the strategy I used as spy in Resistance 2. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:10 kitaman27 wrote:
I sent my nay vote in as well. Doesn't make much sense to me to support a team where I'm not a part of on day one. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:16 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't mind drawing out the voting a while if it gives us the best chance of winning. Not saying it's a good strategy or anything, but it was exactly the policy I pushed myself.
On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.
Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting. The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said: On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum? then i just dont understand english I'll try to make it as simple as possible: 1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL 2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team 3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?
On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.
Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting. The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said: On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum? then i just dont understand english I'll try to make it as simple as possible: 1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL 2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team 3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL? ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to? Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall?
On November 07 2015 12:30 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
I called super scum for calling the xata team would fail. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. These statements contradict each other.
On November 09 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Two out of your three scum reads voted no, didn't they? Or am I wrong about your reads listed above?
On November 09 2015 04:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 03:40 sicklucker wrote:On November 09 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Two out of your three scum reads voted no, didn't they? Or am I wrong about your reads listed above? its the worst attempt i ever ever seen. Like you dont even know your top scum reads. reads? your wrong about like 4 people on that list. more like town shockey rels hts scum everyone else but especially you So everyone else would be some combination of myself/super/artanis/xat? Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 01:47 sicklucker wrote:
i would vote yes for artanis/rayn/rels/super Yet you would pass this team? The reason I keep asking you about your reads is because you contradict yourself every other post.
So did he miss all of these during his "re-evaluation"?
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On November 14 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 16:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wait, I answered all your questions, you apparently didn't have any more yet now I'm basically confirmed scum to you? Explain yourself. - You push suspicion on shockeyy when he questions Rels about the rayn read making a generic statement, rather than considering that he is simply trying to understand the discrepancy.
- You seem disinterested on day one, requiring people to actually pose questions to you on multiple occasions, rather than taking initiative. You don't provide much input at all regarding nominations on day one, despite your chart suggesting that you have a read on every player.
- Your interaction with Xatalos regarding the day one nomination is very scummy. He asks you directly if you are fine being excluded and you reply yes, stating that we're going to nominate four people next mission so it's not all that important. This is not a town mindset in my opinion. Since that group of three players had at least one spy, it suggests you were more concerned about not having the overlap with two spies in the first mission.
- After creating your chart, you town read sicklucker for being open and aggressive and pledge your support behind the day one team. However your chart shows that sicklucker has a single strong scum read on xatalos. When sicklucker drops the scum read on xatalos after he is included, you don't think anything of it.
- When it comes up your turn to suggest a nomination, you decide to throw it away by letting rayn talk you into excluding the player who you seem to have the strongest town read for. You say you suggested the team because you wanted it to fail to gain information. However, on day one when there was a large amount of information to be gained and less content in the thread to go by, you decided to pass the mission. Furthermore, there is little sense of concern about accidentally having the mission go through when you didn't want it to. The information gained from your nomination after it failed was negligible.
- When the same exact mission with rayn subbed out for yourself comes up, you provide very little input regarding how people should vote. You state that you didn't nominate the team of artanis/super/rayn/kita because you were still not sure about super. This doesn't really seem to change in the next 24 hours. However, when the rayn/rels/super/kita team comes up you vote no, but make little effort to make sure the mission doesn't pass. The no vote sets you up to look townie going into cycle three, while still allowing the vote to go through by staying quiet.
- After town reading me the entire game, you state that I should be excluded by cherry picking my post when I made the assumption that I'm town. Of course I'm going to assume I'm town. You then apply a process of elimination read by stating that Xata/Super cannot be scum buddies, therefore it is likely that Xata/Kita could be scum buddies. You state that the Xata/Super interaction has no benefit, but they both came out on good terms in the thread and Super earned a lot of town points based on the little spat they had. However, you fail to consider that the Xata/Kita interaction has very little actual benefit, by dismissing it as a bus of sorts.
- There are very few new ideas that you bring to the thread throughout the game. Most of your content is replying to ideas from other individuals. Most of the game you are playing passive and avoiding direct confrontations.
On November 14 2015 00:53 kitaman27 wrote:
HTS, could you please summarize your thoughts on Rels similar to what I have done above. It's too difficult to wade through every back and forth post between you two. If you are actually town, either you need to convince me that Rels is mafia or I need to convince you that Rels is town for this game to be resolved.
Could you respond to these two posts HTS when you are available, rather than immediately dismissing me with a facepalm one liner.
Also grats on 6000. -_-
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On November 14 2015 07:14 Half the Sky wrote:
And Kita that last sentence was not meant as an insult or a passive aggressive comment, I did not intend that to come off that way. It's that I really enjoy playing games with you as town, and I'm bummed you probably aren't here.
Good. Nobody gets away with insulting me but myself!
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Crazy stuff happening in France. Hope everything is alright Rels.
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Hmm looks like there was at least one mafia who rejected no matter how you look at it. I guess we gotta figure out whether it was a clean team or if they chickened out, not realizing that they could have passed a failure for the win.
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Riddle me this, if there were two spies on the second mission where did me and Rels coordinate how to avoid the double sabotage?
We chose to pass it, so there had to be some secret communication to avoid essentially loosing the game automatically, yet there was only one sabotage.
It's very rare for a scum team to upvote a double spy mission because of this reason.
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On November 15 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 23:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Riddle me this, if there were two spies on the second mission where did me and Rels coordinate how to avoid the double sabotage?
We chose to pass it, so there had to be some secret communication to avoid essentially loosing the game automatically, yet there was only one sabotage.
It's very rare for a scum team to upvote a double spy mission because of this reason. No coordination is needed. If I recall correctly, it was also discussed prior to the game that the spy at/closer to the top of the list would be the one to pull it off. It was hashed out by Artanis and rayn. Posts #67 and #69 of the thread.
I was under the impression that the host decided the rules, not some random comment from rayn.
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On November 15 2015 02:09 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2015 02:01 kitaman27 wrote:On November 15 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:On November 14 2015 23:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Riddle me this, if there were two spies on the second mission where did me and Rels coordinate how to avoid the double sabotage?
We chose to pass it, so there had to be some secret communication to avoid essentially loosing the game automatically, yet there was only one sabotage.
It's very rare for a scum team to upvote a double spy mission because of this reason. No coordination is needed. If I recall correctly, it was also discussed prior to the game that the spy at/closer to the top of the list would be the one to pull it off. It was hashed out by Artanis and rayn. Posts #67 and #69 of the thread. I was under the impression that the host decided the rules, not some random comment from rayn. Coagulation said the same thing I did. Are you trolling me now Kita?
You're so far gone that anything I say is going to be ignored or come out as scummy. Whatever.
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On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.
Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation
I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.
I have nothing to hide. Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though. ##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey
Hmm, so now you're saying me or rayn failed the second mission? o.O
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On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.
Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation
I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.
I have nothing to hide. Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though. ##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey
This goes so far against Rel's reads all game long that it seems like he wants a re-do on the previous team or something.
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On November 16 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2015 22:15 Vivax wrote:I need to correct one part of the argument: Rayn posted the thing about him not pushing SL after the mission failed, not after it was passed. I misread the time there. On November 08 2015 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos who do you actually think is most likely to be scum rn?
I don't like the "this guy is scum and then two of these five other people".
Three people, most likely to be mafia, ok? On November 08 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to put both Rels & Shockeyy there you have to explain why my analysis on them does not make sense. This might be semantics/a mistake but asking Xata to explain why he would scumread Shockey shouldn't make sense from rayn's perspective, he should be glad of Xata accepting Shockey being scum. Then we proceed to this: On November 09 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Superbia
On November 10 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Probably not since all of sl/shockeyy/hts/artanis are gonna vote no, i assume you are gonna vote no too. Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - NO
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - YES
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - YES
Vivax - YES So the mission fails. Only SL and Artanis vote no as predicted. HTS and shockey vote yes. What happens afterwards is that rayn commits suicide by host for some reason. But that at a time where he could have done this: Go wtf on the 2 yes votes and immediately start looking for the mafia on that wagon. Given what he said about those voting no, rayn here would have immediately gone for a team of HTS/Shockey/??? Xatalos!
Cause SL voting no here and Xata voting yes should have immediately put Xata into the scummy corner for him.
But that wasn't possible cause then the mission wouldn't have failed.So the only conclusion to be gained from this mission is that either rayn, Xata or kita were mafia, which would have made it impossible for HTS and shockey to be mafia too. Instead of thinking logically here, rayn decided to throw a tantrum of rage on purpose, cause the only logical conclusion to be had was that he was dead wrong and that he would look much worse. This is good. For HTS / Arta to make sense, rayn have to be scum, but I couldn't see why a mafia would get modkilled. This could be why.
Ehh as much as I'd like this to be true, I'm still not convinced that rayn + HTS makes sense. Like he attacks her and other people up to the point where she feels like she has to make a post-game post about how toixc he is, only for them to show up at endgame and be like "lol jk we're best buds!".
I'll re-read everything to see if it could make sense if one of them were mafia individually.
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On November 16 2015 01:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 01:45 kitaman27 wrote:On November 16 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 22:15 Vivax wrote:I need to correct one part of the argument: Rayn posted the thing about him not pushing SL after the mission failed, not after it was passed. I misread the time there. On November 08 2015 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos who do you actually think is most likely to be scum rn?
I don't like the "this guy is scum and then two of these five other people".
Three people, most likely to be mafia, ok? On November 08 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to put both Rels & Shockeyy there you have to explain why my analysis on them does not make sense. This might be semantics/a mistake but asking Xata to explain why he would scumread Shockey shouldn't make sense from rayn's perspective, he should be glad of Xata accepting Shockey being scum. Then we proceed to this: On November 09 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Superbia
On November 10 2015 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Probably not since all of sl/shockeyy/hts/artanis are gonna vote no, i assume you are gonna vote no too. Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - NO
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - YES
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - YES
Vivax - YES So the mission fails. Only SL and Artanis vote no as predicted. HTS and shockey vote yes. What happens afterwards is that rayn commits suicide by host for some reason. But that at a time where he could have done this: Go wtf on the 2 yes votes and immediately start looking for the mafia on that wagon. Given what he said about those voting no, rayn here would have immediately gone for a team of HTS/Shockey/??? Xatalos!
Cause SL voting no here and Xata voting yes should have immediately put Xata into the scummy corner for him.
But that wasn't possible cause then the mission wouldn't have failed.So the only conclusion to be gained from this mission is that either rayn, Xata or kita were mafia, which would have made it impossible for HTS and shockey to be mafia too. Instead of thinking logically here, rayn decided to throw a tantrum of rage on purpose, cause the only logical conclusion to be had was that he was dead wrong and that he would look much worse. This is good. For HTS / Arta to make sense, rayn have to be scum, but I couldn't see why a mafia would get modkilled. This could be why. Ehh as much as I'd like this to be true, I'm still not convinced that rayn + HTS makes sense. Like he attacks her and other people up to the point where she feels like she has to make a post-game post about how toixc he is, only for them to show up at endgame and be like "lol jk we're best buds!". I'll re-read everything to see if it could make sense if one of them were mafia individually. I agree. But it just makes sense given the votes and team results. If HTS is not scum then what ? rayn / Arta / SL ? rayn / Arta / Xata ? Cause Vivax has to be town here. So each time, two scums in the first team. That makes much less sense than rayn / HTS faking being angry at each other + rayn being angry 'cause his fake reads were proven false.
Well at least with rayn/Arta/Xata you have the weird
Xata: Hey it's my time to nominate. You wanna be on the team Arta?
Arta: Naw it's all good bro.
and
Arta: I'm up and you're my strongest town read rayn. Mission time?
rayn: lulz lets nominate Rels instead for "information"
Arta: Sure thing!
and
rayn: My turn! So now I can bring Arta along for realz.
rayn: Actually, I'll just nominate whoever kita says instead
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kitaman27
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On November 16 2015 00:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.
Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation
I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.
I have nothing to hide. Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though. ##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey Hmm, so now you're saying me or rayn failed the second mission? o.O Yep. Vivax could have won the game right there and didn't. He was here at deadline, when apparently it was super clear multiple people pushed for the YES. If he's scum, he let a chance to win right there fly by him. I will consider him confirmed town unless something drastic happens. So yeah, either rayn or you is scum. Probably rayn.
Just to be clear, do you still feel this was true or was it something you were pushing to "trap" HTS?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 16 2015 02:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 02:05 kitaman27 wrote:On November 16 2015 00:35 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.
Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation
I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.
I have nothing to hide. Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though. ##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey Hmm, so now you're saying me or rayn failed the second mission? o.O Yep. Vivax could have won the game right there and didn't. He was here at deadline, when apparently it was super clear multiple people pushed for the YES. If he's scum, he let a chance to win right there fly by him. I will consider him confirmed town unless something drastic happens. So yeah, either rayn or you is scum. Probably rayn. Just to be clear, do you still feel this was true or was it something you were pushing to "trap" HTS? No I think it's true. If Vivax is scum, he potentially lost the game yesterday.
"Vivax is confirmed town because he had the chance to win the game and he voted no."
"Kita could be scum because he had the chance to win the game and he voted no, but ....?"
What am I missing here, especially considering you had a town read on me and a scum read on vivix prior to the voting results?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 16 2015 02:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 02:13 kitaman27 wrote:On November 16 2015 02:10 Rels wrote:On November 16 2015 02:05 kitaman27 wrote:On November 16 2015 00:35 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.
Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation
I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.
I have nothing to hide. Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though. ##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey Hmm, so now you're saying me or rayn failed the second mission? o.O Yep. Vivax could have won the game right there and didn't. He was here at deadline, when apparently it was super clear multiple people pushed for the YES. If he's scum, he let a chance to win right there fly by him. I will consider him confirmed town unless something drastic happens. So yeah, either rayn or you is scum. Probably rayn. Just to be clear, do you still feel this was true or was it something you were pushing to "trap" HTS? No I think it's true. If Vivax is scum, he potentially lost the game yesterday. "Vivax is confirmed town because he had the chance to win the game and he voted no." "Kita could be scum because he had the chance to win the game and he voted no, but ....?" What am I missing here, especially considering you had a town read on me and a scum read on vivix prior to the voting results? Where do I say you could be scum ? I'm talking about vivax cause I was scumreading him, so realizing he has to be town changes is a change. No change on you
"So yeah, either rayn or you is scum. "
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 16 2015 02:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 02:16 Rels wrote:On November 16 2015 02:13 kitaman27 wrote:On November 16 2015 02:10 Rels wrote:On November 16 2015 02:05 kitaman27 wrote:On November 16 2015 00:35 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On November 15 2015 04:08 Rels wrote:On November 15 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it should be obvious to everyone else, but just in case, purposely leaving myself off, I would propose the following teams if I was leader.
Team of 4: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey (Shockey is switchable for Coag depending on how people feel)
Team of 5: Artanis/Vivax/sicklucker/Shockey/Coagulation
I strongly feel that rayn was town, but if people have had doubts on him respective of his voting record, I am confident in the other four.
I have nothing to hide. Vivax is not here and this is the last time I'm here before getting insanely drunk so let's go with that. No SL though. ##Nominate Artanis/Vivax/HTS/Shockey Hmm, so now you're saying me or rayn failed the second mission? o.O Yep. Vivax could have won the game right there and didn't. He was here at deadline, when apparently it was super clear multiple people pushed for the YES. If he's scum, he let a chance to win right there fly by him. I will consider him confirmed town unless something drastic happens. So yeah, either rayn or you is scum. Probably rayn. Just to be clear, do you still feel this was true or was it something you were pushing to "trap" HTS? No I think it's true. If Vivax is scum, he potentially lost the game yesterday. "Vivax is confirmed town because he had the chance to win the game and he voted no." "Kita could be scum because he had the chance to win the game and he voted no, but ....?" What am I missing here, especially considering you had a town read on me and a scum read on vivix prior to the voting results? Where do I say you could be scum ? I'm talking about vivax cause I was scumreading him, so realizing he has to be town changes is a change. No change on you "So yeah, either rayn or you is scum. "
Since you say vivax is confirmed town, why couldn't he be a mafia player who was unsure whether the votes would pass and wanted to play it safe?
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