EPTOn November 04 2015 21:03 sicklucker wrote:
Xata you didnt consider the hero play?
Xata you didnt consider the hero play?
I considered, but I can't come to a conclusion about a likely enough 3-scum team...
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On November 04 2015 23:45 Rels wrote: Still following the thread sentiment I see. When I bring up stuff on HTS, you say "mm maybe she's scum." When SL asks to be in the team, you agree and roll with it. I'm not seeing SL is town or scum; but the way you're playing is super scummy. Alright it's time to roll out the meta analysis on you. Will do this tonight when I have more time. I'm confused by this post. Didn't you call me a good townread recently? What's with this "super scummy" suddenly? Besides, I didn't even read SL's post before my nomination... Which you should have noticed by the fact that I hadn't even got to reading Artanis's post before I started typing. Overall, would be nice to hear more opinions on the current proposal. From you, from Superbia, and others. | ||
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On November 05 2015 01:35 Superbia wrote: Kind of nowhere. It's PoE. I expect town SL to be a lot more involved and active. He hasn't really done anything this game. He has done this before as town, but I can read him when he's doing shit, not when he's not. So he goes in the back of the PoE list. Has he / do you expect he would take this attitude as scum? Isn't it actually good for him here that he plays similarly as town? I'm also considering Artanis atm though, liked his recent posts. About you, I'm not quite so sure on. | ||
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On November 05 2015 01:40 kitaman27 wrote: I'm leaning towards reject at the moment. I wouldn't feel comfortable passing a team with you still. I think there are better alternatives than sicklucker, though I'm still kinda null on him so he wouldn't totally kill a team. rayn has also owed me a response for a while, so I'm waiting on that. Preferably I'd be looking at something like Kita/artanis/rayn, though I'm obviously aware that you wouldn't do something like that. Maybe one of HTS/Rels in place of myself if need be (?). Not really comfortable enough with 3 townreads to exclude myself from a team. At least not for you  | ||
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On November 05 2015 01:43 Superbia wrote: I'm not sure what SL's scum-play is there days. I think it's usually pretty easy to read him if he's not lurking. The fact that he's not coming up with weird ass logic/strategies this game is troubling. Wasn't his OMGUS thing on me quite weird haha | ||
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On November 05 2015 01:39 Rels wrote: Mm I'll check that tonight. I need to check your filter length compared to your scum / town game, but 10 pages already feels enormous considering we're in N1 in a normal game. Assuming the filter length analysis confirms what I think right now: I would like you to switch sicklucker with kita, shockey, me or Artanis. SL is not doing much; nothing he did was scum indicative, but nominating someone just because he doesn't seem to care is not ideal when there is stronger choice. Kita? Shockey? What are these suggestions :D | ||
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I agree it's weird how he treats me and Rels differently. Easily townreading him and scumreading me based on some detail. Which I already explained, and he seemed to accept, yet the read persists.. | ||
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Personally I'm not that confident atm... | ||
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What I mean is, he didn't really comment on the whole process of HTS's team selection at all. Then he only said "I'll vote yes" during the voting, but actually voted no. Even now I'm not sure of his thought process for all of that. | ||
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On November 04 2015 09:09 Superbia wrote: All right. Listen. You do not genuinely discuss your vote before you vote, you do so after. Mafia does not have a QT, they cannot communicate. Part of the game- and part of the play as town- is to keep mafia in the dark as to what the voting is going to be. There are voting trends that can be gained and analyzed if this is kept as it is. I was hoping people would do this. So please, next time, do not do this. Discuss who you think is mafia during all phases. We discuss our votes after voting is revealed. Hm... I guess it was a reaction test or something then? Well, I guess it's an acceptable reason... Actually it's kind of a townie thought since as scum making confusing posts would only confuse your team further. Still a bit conflicted about him being the third member, but... I'm considering it. Are you sure? I still maybe feel better about sicklucker since he's not really caring about his appearance (which should be especially important as a Spy). | ||
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On November 05 2015 00:45 Superbia wrote: Going to call you scum for the rest of the game probably. Unless something drastically changes. The logic makes no sense. Your push on me implies: - Xat is town (likely at this point- not for you at that point in time) - I am scum (nope). - My agenda behind the push on Xat was to put scum on town-Xat as scum. Probably to divert attention. Here's where the problems are: - You have failed to address my explanation post, even though strong town players have backed up my reasoning (HtS and rayn, do you believe they are both scum?). - I flipped on Xat rather quickly, which fucks over the agenda you proposed. - You have never explained why it is scum-indicative, only in the case where Xat is strictly town, and I am strictly scum, which is back-wards reasoning. This indicates an agenda (i.e. pushing town-me). And this is the most glaring one I just thought of: - In your world, you have failed to argue that I (scum-Superbia) am now going after you (town-Rels). Even though you should 100% know your own alignment (and it should be town, right?), and it would completely support your initial assertion. Seems so... but not completely sure about the progression | ||
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I guess I've felt slightly more comfortable with sicklucker over Artanis because it's more possible for Artanis to just "appear good" as scum (like his latest posts have seemed pretty good) rather than for sicklucker to just "indirectly" look townie like that. It's not a big difference really. And isn't sicklucker pretty townread actually? On the other hand, there are suspicions on Superbia. Like I think Artanis showed suspicion earlier. | ||
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On November 05 2015 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i think sicklucker is a pretty guud pick. If i assume my reads are even almost correct i wanna know what Rels does tomorrow if the team of me/you/SL passes the mission and Artanis (obviously) adds himself.  Kk, well that seems good to me too. Now to look at kita's wall of text >.> | ||
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On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: If HtS is mafia it comes down to this: 1) the team of HtS/Xatalos/rayn gets yay'd; me and Xatalos have "almost definitely confirmed scum", which suddenly makes everything HtS says after that a possibility of a big fuckup. She also needs to argue why Xatalos is scum. 2) the team of HtS/kita/rayn gets yay'd; She can actually more conveniently argue that kitaman is scum, because other people think kitaman is scum aswell. She don't even really need to argue, she can just +1 on the points. (the contrary to (1) is that i am not 100% arguing against her) 3) the team of HtS/kita/rayn get's nay'd (which is very very likely in the first place); she doesn't out herself, and passes the turn onto someone else -- she "looks better" to you, which increases her possibilities of getting picked later on as she is "right". Personally i see the scum motivation in (2) and (3) over (1). If i was at HtS' position i would definitely pick either (2) or (3) over the possibility (1), since regardless of who is scum in this game at that time (and even now) the town is not working very well together. Yeah, I wouldn't really want to be against me/rayn as scum HTS :D | ||
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