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On November 24 2015 05:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:
Honestly, the Damdred replacement was pretty awful for us. I'd stuck my neck out way too far pushing FarahBlackwing, Damdred's replacement didn't only kill any push against that slot, but he also knew conclusively that I wouldn't do that as town.
We were actually planning to counterclaim FarahBlackwing on Day 3.... Yeah, can totally see that. Mentioned before that farah and moosy of all ppl being blue was bad for you guys. Getting Damdred in the vet slot and losing the roleblocker was super incredible bad for you guys. ^^ FarahBlackwing played quite well, honestly. No clue why everyone was scumreading her.
It wasn't that Damdred replacing in for FarahBlackwing was such an "unfair substitution". It was just that it happened after we were already committed to a certain strategy, and replacements always change strategy. I'd say that Damdred's #1 advantage over FarahBlackwing when he replaced in was simply having a fresh approach, and the continual frustration and pressure was the whole reason we were pushing FarahBlackwing to begin with.
I am sorry for upsetting FarahBlackwing so much, though, I got carried away with it.
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my D1 and N1 were kinda terrible though. I felt like I had to relearn a few things I had simply forgotten during my absence.
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On November 24 2015 05:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh right.
Farah: I apologize if I had any part in your decision to sub out. Whether this game or the previous game. I hope you can find motivation to play here again but, if not, I had fun playing with you regardless.
Eversince: GET WELL SOON WE NEED UPDATES ARE YOU OK?
Same here. I hope I did not come across as a dick, I was told by my coach that pushing you too much without giving you room to show you were town is generally a turnoff and I can see that it was, so I'm sorry for that.
And Eversince, please get better. That is such a rough go.
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On November 24 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 05:51 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2015 05:50 NocturneMage wrote:On November 24 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:
Well played.
I'm fun to play with as town, really!
Well, most of the time!
Well, sometimes....
Well, once..... GGs Trfel. I'm sure I'll see you in another game. Hopefully I didn't come across as too much of a dick this game. Nah, you were fine. The big thing you did wrong is that you let me live so long  When you make a big post with a bunch of reasons why I'm scum, and I only respond to half of them, what does that tell you about the other half? XD You're a really high effort scum player and it scares me. High effort?
Look at someone like rsoultin, raynpelikoneet. My scum effort is pretty miserable.
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Oh yeah, apologies to scott31337 as well. My claims about his play were not at all accurate ^^
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Man am I good at this game
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On November 24 2015 05:59 Onegu wrote:
Man am I good at this game
replace in. don't read the game. lynch mafia regardless. win the game.
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On November 24 2015 05:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 05:51 disformation wrote:On November 24 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:
Honestly, the Damdred replacement was pretty awful for us. I'd stuck my neck out way too far pushing FarahBlackwing, Damdred's replacement didn't only kill any push against that slot, but he also knew conclusively that I wouldn't do that as town.
We were actually planning to counterclaim FarahBlackwing on Day 3.... Yeah, can totally see that. Mentioned before that farah and moosy of all ppl being blue was bad for you guys. Getting Damdred in the vet slot and losing the roleblocker was super incredible bad for you guys. ^^ FarahBlackwing played quite well, honestly. No clue why everyone was scumreading her. It wasn't that Damdred replacing in for FarahBlackwing was such an "unfair substitution". It was just that it happened after we were already committed to a certain strategy, and replacements always change strategy. I'd say that Damdred's #1 advantage over FarahBlackwing when he replaced in was simply having a fresh approach, and the continual frustration and pressure was the whole reason we were pushing FarahBlackwing to begin with. I am sorry for upsetting FarahBlackwing so much, though, I got carried away with it.
Yeah, but you were scum, so as long as you weren't being a dick about it (like calling her obscenities) I think you did what you needed to do.
I was just very unclear with the stonewalling after her claim, and whether she understood why claiming with such a long period of time to go in the cycle was such a bad thing. I personally only picked up on that from observing nearly a dozen games prior to playing to be honest, and I probably should have asked her if she was aware or what she was doing rather than just go all out accusing her.
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I also feel like vet is a bit of an unfortunate role for a new player, since it is hard for a new player to have such a strong game, that mafia wants to shoot them. For example vet on me would be pretty wasted. Like why would mafia ever shoot waffle boy?
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One thing I'd like to ask from more experienced players is vote analysis. That shit still confuses me mostly and any post on it I feel like I have to play 20+ games to really understand how to analyse town and mafia actions from votes.
Like I only knew that late votes = bussing was from experience in newbie 13. My only prior mafia experience was real life and everyone just throws their hands up all at once.
But trying to lay out the votes this game I will say is much much easier with the tracker but even then it's hard to tell timing motivations, even with Shining's statements on number of switches, I would have never picked up on ritoky's switching as a bad thing.
are there any guides or anything to try and pick up voting analysis? it seems so effective but so difficult to understand. fuck.
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On November 24 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, it was fun to coach Disinformation. Very active and enthusiastic. I hope you keep playing because you're an enrichment to the site 
I enjoyed playing with you as well disformation. Game is much more fun when we're both town. Drink up mate.
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On November 24 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote:
One thing I'd like to ask from more experienced players is vote analysis. That shit still confuses me mostly and any post on it I feel like I have to play 20+ games to really understand how to analyse town and mafia actions from votes.
Like I only knew that late votes = bussing was from experience in newbie 13. My only prior mafia experience was real life and everyone just throws their hands up all at once.
But trying to lay out the votes this game I will say is much much easier with the tracker but even then it's hard to tell timing motivations, even with Shining's statements on number of switches, I would have never picked up on ritoky's switching as a bad thing.
are there any guides or anything to try and pick up voting analysis? it seems so effective but so difficult to understand. fuck. It requires a ton of context. Just looking at the vote count isn't good enough, you have to consider the vote count and the thread sentiment at the time when the votes in question were made.
Once you do that, it's actually really simple. You just look at the motivation and the implications of each vote, how the wagons are changing, and what the result of that is.
Or you can ask ritoky, he has some really special voting analysis tricks, but I doubt he's willing to share XD
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On November 24 2015 06:06 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also, it was fun to coach Disinformation. Very active and enthusiastic. I hope you keep playing because you're an enrichment to the site I enjoyed playing with you as well disformation. Game is much more fun when we're both town. Drink up mate.
Yeah, I had the feeling you enjoy playing town much more than mafia.
Also glad you were on board for this.
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Has ritoky been here since he got shenani'd?
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On November 24 2015 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Has ritoky been here since he got shenani'd?
Don't think so, but he said he had tons of family over for thanksgiving and stuff.
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I'm still mad at Tictock for making me mafia 
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On November 24 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote:
One thing I'd like to ask from more experienced players is vote analysis. That shit still confuses me mostly and any post on it I feel like I have to play 20+ games to really understand how to analyse town and mafia actions from votes.
Like I only knew that late votes = bussing was from experience in newbie 13. My only prior mafia experience was real life and everyone just throws their hands up all at once.
But trying to lay out the votes this game I will say is much much easier with the tracker but even then it's hard to tell timing motivations, even with Shining's statements on number of switches, I would have never picked up on ritoky's switching as a bad thing.
are there any guides or anything to try and pick up voting analysis? it seems so effective but so difficult to understand. fuck. It requires a ton of context. Just looking at the vote count isn't good enough, you have to consider the vote count and the thread sentiment at the time when the votes in question were made. Once you do that, it's actually really simple. You just look at the motivation and the implications of each vote, how the wagons are changing, and what the result of that is. Or you can ask ritoky, he has some really special voting analysis tricks, but I doubt he's willing to share XD
nah, I get it. I'd like one more game where I can get coaching on voting analysis specifically even if I am an open player. either that or a guide or something but at least this gives me a rough start.
I think for the most part I looked town enough to not get lynched, it seems like people would have just fear/tinfoil lynched me in mylo, and I felt I have made good points and read carefully all game. so that was somewhat concerning.
at least if nothing else reading mafia qt, you people were threatened by me to the point you almost shot me night 1 over moosy. so I think I did something right.
and for the people tinfoiling me as scum (lol Fecalfeast) I don't know what to say. my first game I read HTS's scum games when I was drawn as scum, but that didn't help me any, I think I just need more experience, but then again she has a different approach to playing scum than I do.
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On November 24 2015 06:17 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote:
One thing I'd like to ask from more experienced players is vote analysis. That shit still confuses me mostly and any post on it I feel like I have to play 20+ games to really understand how to analyse town and mafia actions from votes.
Like I only knew that late votes = bussing was from experience in newbie 13. My only prior mafia experience was real life and everyone just throws their hands up all at once.
But trying to lay out the votes this game I will say is much much easier with the tracker but even then it's hard to tell timing motivations, even with Shining's statements on number of switches, I would have never picked up on ritoky's switching as a bad thing.
are there any guides or anything to try and pick up voting analysis? it seems so effective but so difficult to understand. fuck. It requires a ton of context. Just looking at the vote count isn't good enough, you have to consider the vote count and the thread sentiment at the time when the votes in question were made. Once you do that, it's actually really simple. You just look at the motivation and the implications of each vote, how the wagons are changing, and what the result of that is. Or you can ask ritoky, he has some really special voting analysis tricks, but I doubt he's willing to share XD nah, I get it. I'd like one more game where I can get coaching on voting analysis specifically even if I am an open player. either that or a guide or something but at least this gives me a rough start. I think for the most part I looked town enough to not get lynched, it seems like people would have just fear/tinfoil lynched me in mylo, and I felt I have made good points and read carefully all game. so that was somewhat concerning. at least if nothing else reading mafia qt, you people were threatened by me to the point you almost shot me night 1 over moosy. so I think I did something right. and for the people tinfoiling me as scum (lol Fecalfeast) I don't know what to say. my first game I read HTS's scum games when I was drawn as scum, but that didn't help me any, I think I just need more experience, but then again she has a different approach to playing scum than I do.
Nah, I think you and The Shining were more town than me. So I would have been the last misslynch after FF.
But I am not sure on what mafia had in mind.
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Nah man if it really came down to it I wouldn't have voted you. You're gonna have to show an active scumgame for that tinfoil to go all the way to the noose
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On March 09 2015 23:00 kitaman27 wrote:
FecalFeast on the other hand appears to never get shot, making it to end game in 12 out of 13. Based on his winning percentage, mafia might need to rethink leaving him around.
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