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On November 24 2015 07:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 06:55 ritoky wrote:
Oh, apparently the game ended. Couldn't care less. This is the first and only game on these forums where I will believe the game was entirely lost due to the mod. So much so that I wish this game was stricken from all stats. "I don't want to play" is never an acceptable substitution reasoning; nor is "I do not have enough time". There is a precedent on these forums for never accepting that as a reason for sub. The player should have been told no or had the slot modkilled. It was further punishing because the mafia team had centered a winning strategy around counterclaiming the person who was then subbed. Further the Eversince sub is also bullshit. If that sub was going to happen it should have occurred long before the person had broken 3 rules and been gone for 4 days. The decisions on substitutions were an absolute joke and it took every fiber of my being to not ask to be subbed out of the game after the farah replacement since it was clearly a perfectly fine thing to do.
Outside of that I sacrificed too much to save breshke day 1 and his return gift was to quit (we didn't get a sub for him being afk 72 hours tho); which basically ruined a lot of my longevity in the game. And we had established a play where mafia survives day 2 and trfel cc's farah as doctor start of d3 for the win; setting up for that only to have it ruined by a bullshit sub pretty much ruined trfels chances of living long.
I really can't comprehend the decisions by the mod this game, and I am never one to blame modding. For anyone that ever hosts a game in the future; if you accept "I don't want to play" as a justifiable reason for substitution then I will flame you in game to the point where you need to modkill me and I won't give a damn while doing it because you fully deserve it. I respect that you feel I ruined the game for you, as in many ways my decision to replace Farah was a game changer. I'd like to point out, however, that had I said No and Farah simply stopped posting, or I modkilled her, both would have been just as devastating to town as what actually occurred was to your team. It's pretty shitty that one decision from the host can impact the game as dramatically as this decision did. I take it you would prefer simply not using replacements? I don't agree with what you are saying about Ever's replace. Only rule that was broken in my eyes was not voting, she fulfilled D1 activity requirements and was replaced before the end of D2. There was also a very clear extenuating circumstance in this case, one that I knew about and should have reacted too sooner but that none the less existed.
I would prefer you follow the rules set forth in the OP in accordance with how you said you would and precedent on these forums. It doesn't matter that "I don't want to play" is devestating for alignment x or alignment y. It is unacceptable in all cases as grounds for substitution regardless of consequence. If the person consequently stops playing they should be modkilled and not replaced because it is clear they also have now broken the "play to your win condition" rule as well and...well if you don't understand I guess we just have a fundamental disagreement and there basically exists no legitimate situation where you would modkill anyone which is not a good place to be.
About ever, the moment ever failed to vote, she also broke the activity rule; which stated direct modkill no sub considered. Either edit your OP or follow your own rules or see it coming after being gone 72 hours and push for the sub with 24 hours left in day 2. If the player hasn't come back in 72 hours they aren't coming back. That was a strange situation though.
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On November 24 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Well I was traveling I'm glad we won. A few thoughts
Evers slot probably should of been modkilled instead of replaced. Anything past early d2 is to long a time to allow fresh insite into the game.
My replacement is not as badly done as some people make it seem. It sucked for scum me coming into a vet slot, however what's the difference between pushing me and pushing Farah? The difference is a mind set thing rather than an actual game play.
Besides that people have been subbed put for reasons of not wanting to play and time constraints which Farah had as she had 4 horridshifts the next day
Anyway good game town. And scum played well d1 and somewhat d2.
I mean no disrespect to your wife, but her sub was an absolute and utter mod error.
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Was there an obs qt? can i haz link?
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I dont agree with that tbh, the game changed only because of the way people view me.
For example moosey was super tunneled on my slot then instantly stops because its me.
If the scum team had tried could of went after me I had plenty of people suspicious.
The game changed because of peoples views and breshke not trying. And my read on you slightly.
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Though generally I wouldn't let people sub after n1, I like hard caps but d2 is borderline I'd agree of you made that argument.
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On November 24 2015 07:23 scott31337 wrote:
GG good job
sry 4 lynching you. maybe someday I can read you.
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I won't really comment on the mod decisions as I don't really have the experience to do so. but I will say thanks to Tictock and LoneMeow for taking the time to run this.
I have a question separately for MoosyDoosy - why did you think I was mafia?
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On November 24 2015 07:23 Damdred wrote:
I dont agree with that tbh, the game changed only because of the way people view me.
For example moosey was super tunneled on my slot then instantly stops because its me.
If the scum team had tried could of went after me I had plenty of people suspicious.
The game changed because of peoples views and breshke not trying. And my read on you slightly.
I just cannot disagree more. Not about the in-game stuff, you're probably right trfel backed out of his play out of fear + breshke quitting was probably worse than just staying the course even if it was going to be harder. But in regards to the sub "i am busy" and "i don't want to play" are unacceptable grounds for substitution. You know this. It should never have been accepted.
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On November 24 2015 07:23 disformation wrote:
Was there an obs qt? can i haz link?
it was posted at the very bottom of the concession post.
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Canada11355 Posts
TalkingDead
11-21-2015
04:42 AM ET (US)
I give you Breshke on a silver platter. I give you Trfel on a silver platter. Just fucking eat you retards.
Oh geript
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On November 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 07:23 disformation wrote:
Was there an obs qt? can i haz link? it was posted at the very bottom of the concession post.
Thanks. Was looking in the OP. xD
On November 24 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +TalkingDead
11-21-2015
04:42 AM ET (US)
I give you Breshke on a silver platter. I give you Trfel on a silver platter. Just fucking eat you retards. Oh geript
11/10 points, would sheep dead geript again.
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I am probably also extra salty because if I had won I would have had the highest mafia winrate on the entire site, and now I don't; and I feel I could have certainly played better, but that this one isn't really my fault.
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Canada11355 Posts
Nah you had me hook line and sinker I wouldn't have voted you there if I was awake rit
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On November 24 2015 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Nah you had me hook line and sinker I wouldn't have voted you there if I was awake rit
you were my plan for mylo whether i regretted it or not; since disfo decided randomly half way through the game he not longer wanted to be in my pocket.
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I'll just quickly weigh in on the replacing out policies:
1 "I don't want to play" - almost always unacceptable. I have had this twice happen in my games, and I have disallowed the replacement in this circumstance.
2 "I am too busy/lack of time" - this depends. If it's something the person could have/would have known ahead of time, then it's denied. If there is a medical emergency/technical issue (comp broke) or if there are work issues that arise suddenly then it's allowable.
Sometimes the moderators still replace people out but still penalise them. An example I can think of is where Bugs replaced Alakaslam out because he had a school exam or school commitment. I replaced in for him, but he was still banned anyways post-game because he knew about the conflict ahead of time.
In one of my newbies, I replaced out because of a business trip about 12 hours into day 1 (which was honestly fail on my part). I was not modkilled but Blazinghand issued me a post-game warning. I obviously didn't dispute it.
So maybe if you suggest penalties for replacing out...I don't know. It's a tough call, and probably something I would just defer to longtime mods to discuss.
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On November 24 2015 07:34 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Nah you had me hook line and sinker I wouldn't have voted you there if I was awake rit you were my plan for mylo whether i regretted it or not; since disfo decided randomly half way through the game he not longer wanted to be in my pocket.
you also wanted to save me for mylo from your posts which is why I was heavily suspicious of you.
honest question, was that setup argument you were making straight up BS or is it something you would have pushed as town? that shit is honestly over my head. and from your posts you wanted to push me over disformation.
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geript also drops some good wisdom in the obs QT. Would recommend reading it.
Also read through the mafia QT: "disform is so deep in my pocket i can never lynch this guy lol." lmao =D
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On November 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 07:34 ritoky wrote:On November 24 2015 07:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Nah you had me hook line and sinker I wouldn't have voted you there if I was awake rit you were my plan for mylo whether i regretted it or not; since disfo decided randomly half way through the game he not longer wanted to be in my pocket. you also wanted to save me for mylo from your posts which is why I was heavily suspicious of you. honest question, was that setup argument you were making straight up BS or is it something you would have pushed as town? that shit is honestly over my head. and from your posts you wanted to push me over disformation.
it was true and i probably would have pushed it but not so heavily as town.
basically how it works is this:
mafia notified of roles at beginning of game -> mafia knows town has 0 investigative power. this means if you can place yourself in a situation where you are so firmly embedded in town via play, that it is impossible to discover you. therefore bussing is optimal. if you lead a lynch on your partner and are very clearly the most vocal, making the arguments, and the originator of content; then the likelihood that anyone scumreads you outside of tinfoil late game is extremely low. how town usually resolves this problem is through investigations or proper tinfoil when strange people start dying; the game had 1/2 of the solution missing from town, which makes it an optimal line of play. the problem was, and the reason i didn't pursue it was because the lynch was going on breshke and not trfel who had the only relevant role in our team(in hindsight actively lynching my own RB might have been even more cred...but geript would have gotten most of it). i don't know if this is a better explanation for you.
to try and simplify it more: as mafia if you actively (not just along for the ride) kill your partners you get town reads cuz you killed mafia, the way you get caught from that position is having a meta of bussing (me), invesitgations (none in this game), or nk analysis/tinfoil (can be easily disuaded). when much of that is inherently missing from the setup bussing becomes an even more powerful tool to hide in the town. so the argument was hard defending is worse than bussing based on setup, therefore hard defending probably means not teammates.
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