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I want to come back to this.
On November 21 2015 01:52 Damdred wrote:
Now final question ans probable the best question.
Why does scum!Trfel push town!Scott over town!moosey when moosey was dead in thewater?
On November 18 2015 00:55 Trfel wrote:##vote scott31337I won't be able to catch up by the deadline. But scott31337 hasn't shown critical thinking, and his activity has been pretty awful. This post shows a lack of critical thinking in particular, he's trying to say stuff, trying to make an argument, but all he really says is that MoosyDoosy is town because he's town, and because he did the same thing last game as town (which obviously does not make him town). Scott31337 still hasn't taken a stance on me, despite saying that he would many hours ago. Given the lack of original reads and thinking in his posts, I find him getting so upset at MoosyDoosy's play difficult to believe.
On November 18 2015 01:05 Trfel wrote:
I don't want to lynch The Shining. He said that he was trying to do more work right when the game began to make up for not being able to play Monday and Tuesday, and his posting rate was much higher than it generally is. In addition to activity, his posts show attempts to gain information. Many of The Shining's scum games show fewer, larger posts to try and stay alive, rather than trying to pressure things to gain information.
FarahBlackwing's post about The Shining was very good, particularly with regards to The Shining's slight shows of emotion this game. It's very different from The Shining's most recent mafia game.
I could lynch MoosyDoosy, but I'm more confident in scott31337. MoosyDoosy is a wild card, scott31337 generally puts forward a good effort as town.
On November 18 2015 01:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 01:11 disformation wrote:
@Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that. I guess, I feel like time will take care of MoosyDoosy a bit better than it will scott31337. Scott31337 will probably continue to play in about the same way, and I feel like his play to this point is very revealing already (more what's not there than what is).
MoosyDoosy's play certainly can't become any less helpful, as he's shown some investment to the game despite asking to be lynched. It's hard to explain my thoughts, maybe I'm just being insane, but I can't see him playing for a significant period of time while putting a bit of effort into the game and also asking to be lynched. And whatever change he makes from that balance would probably be telling.
This is from day 1. Does Trfel have THAT strong of a preference between either Scott or Moosy? Timing of votes, we know both wagons day 1 were town. From my tracker ordering.
Day 1
FarahBlackwing voted for shining <------start
disformation voted for scott31337
Eversince voted for Farahblackwing
VisceraEyes voted for Farahblackwing
FarahBlackwing unvoted
FarahBlackwing unvoted
MoosyDoosy voted for FarahBlackwing
VisceraEyes unvoted
VisceraEyes voted for Fecalfeast
NocturneMage voted for MoosyDoosy
scott31337 voted for Trfel
disformation unvoted
disformation voted for MoosyDoosy
NocturneMage voted for VisceraEyes
NocturneMage unvoted
NocturneMage voted for VisceraEyes
MoosyDoosy unvoted
MoosyDoosy voted for MoosyDoosy <---------effective start of Moosy wagon, 21 hours left
Trfel voted for MoosyDoosy <-------------- 20 hours, 45 min
Fecalfeast voted for mooseydoosey
Fecalfeast unvoted
Trfel unvoted
Fecalfeast voted for mooseydoosey <------------------ 19 hours 10 minutes
NocturneMage unvoted
scott31337 unvoted
ritoky voted for the shining <----------- 8 hours 30 minutes
disformation unvoted
disformation voted for The Shining <----------8 hours before deadline - I told him this was useless
disformation unvoted
disformation voted for MoosyDoosy <---------------- 7 hours prior to deadline
NocturneMage voted for MoosyDoosy
Breshke voted for MoosyDoosy <----------------- 5 hours 45 minutes prior to deadline - FIRST AND ONLY vote
Trfel voted for scott31337 <---------------------5 hours prior to deadline
FarahBlackwing voted for Scott31337
FarahBlackwing unvoted
FarahBlackwing voted for disinformation
scott31337 voted for Moosydoosy
geript voted for Breshke <----- 2 hours 30 minutes
FarahBlackwing unvoted
FarahBlackwing voted for Breshke <--------- 2 hours 10 minutes
disformation unvoted
disformation voted for Breshke <------------ 1 hour 30 minutes
FarahBlackwing unvoted
FarahBlackwing voted for Scott31337 <------------ 12 minutes left
Fecalfeast voted for scott31337 <------------ 10 minutes left
disformation unvoted
disformation voted for Scott31337 <--------7 minutes left
ritoky unvoted
ritoky voted for scott31337 <------------1 minute left
The Shining voted for Scott31337
NocturneMage voted for scott31337 <-------deadline, my vote was right on at 2000
ritoky unvoted
ritoky voted for moosydoosy
Trfel's vote on scott31337 was five hours prior to lynch.
Probably need to see when he started pushing scott relative to the votes on moosy because scott was an easier person to push based on the lack of activity. When both wagons are town (and I am assuming Moosy's claim is true) scum can't be so obvious in not caring about the lynch, but Trfel came up with a decent reason to take scott over moosy from these quotes. Hmmmm.
Same double standard question folks - why does he make the assumption taht Moosy's play could change or will become more clear, ignoring the claim and scott's won't become clear? why only bring up "lurky" fecalfeast now and not day 1?
"scott's play is already revealing"
so why not fecalfeast? shining was obvious from schedule at the time so I'll skip him,
but again I ask, why the double standard?
does anyone remotely think he sounds like he cares about who is getting lynched?
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ebwop - and when I say "decent" I do not mean decent as in towny reason but it was believable enough.
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Canada11355 Posts
Morning. We aren't in lylo/mylo yet right?
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right now? no. next cycle is mylo assuming no modkill.
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morning? wow, where in canada do you live? it's almost 6pm here lol.
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Canada11355 Posts
West coast, almost 10am which is early for me
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Canada11355 Posts
Hm. I like your sentiment NM. I am fine with bresh or trfel i just like trfel more. Could be the rb but speculation aboit scum roles is never going to be more than wifom/guessing
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Like trfel as in rather lynch bresh
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the more I look through, I really think trfel is the one fooling enough of us. I really do. His answers are just towny enough to escape maximum scrutiny. I understand the whole "the hard defence" doesn't make sense aspect but there are so many things wrong with his line of play. he won't fight the breshke lynch, he doesn't need to, breshke isn't the roleblocker but it's not as big a deal in the current known setup admittedly, or he cannot.
scott versus moosydoosy, was he really convinced? look at that reply. and that case on scott, why couldn't he have made the same assumption about say fecalfeast? the same explanation could have been given for moosy from a different angle. shining and ever at the time I understand for the lapse in activity day 1 a reasonable assumption can be drawn there as to why to ignore them, everyone did or nearly everyone.
this really doesn't feel right. breshke to lynch for sure, but if trfel isn't number 2 then I don't know what the bloody hell he's doing.
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I can completely understand lynching Breshke over Trfel, the former is clearly more scummy over the latter. but I think we are ignoring trfel for the wrong reasons in general.
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and if need be I will switch my vote back to Breshke, I will be having my phone on me between now and end of cycle anyhow.
and that setup reason, I realise it's not definitive, it's a possibility and depending on what breshke flips if he flips, that could provide some definition for finding the second mafia.
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Edited some stuff out, to make this more readable. I add a link to the original post for those I edited.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=18#359:
On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:
Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated.
ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean.
ritoky: town for tone and how he was approaching/interacting with the thread.
the trfel read is explained in more detail here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#433
On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 23:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, so ritoky is certainly town for 362, I'm moving geript back to null until he can explain why he thinks the Trfel push is malicious, not seeing further explanation yet in his filter.
disformation why is Trfel's post "strange"? You are a newer player like myself so ignoring meta, can you expand on what you thought was wrong with it? I can try.  So TS posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
So I find the timing and the motivation of Trfel's post odd, but as always fail to come to a solid conclusion on Trfel.
On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town.
rit town read and despite not reaching a conclusion on Trfel earlier he shows up in the list of ppl that I dislike. A bunch of ppl rightfully complain about this and I try to explain:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=32#626
So what I wanted to say: I don't have a solid scum read on him, but he shows up in my PoE since I also don't TR him and have suspicious as I indicated earlier.
On November 17 2015 10:58 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 10:31 ritoky wrote:On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote:On November 17 2015 10:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel.
And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading. I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask. 3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb Kay: Never Lynch Today Hasn't changed much from my last posts. 1) ritoky: Strong thread presence, prodding ppl looking for answers, I genuinely believe he wants to figure out ppls alignment. 2) NocturneMage: Super more active/interactive compared to NSM13. Not by a bit but by a HUGE margin. 3) geript: Came in the thread pretty strong, prodding ppl for different things, but hasn't been here today. I hope he drops by later though. Top Lynches: This is kinda difficult right now. Rethinking a few things... 1) MoosyDoosy: Does he even count? Feels a bit like a policy lynch as stated earlier. So alternatives to MD... The Shining hasn't been here in ages... I am warming up a bit on FF... Scott hasn't done much after he got that hasty town lean from me... not sure on VE, conflicted if I like ritokys (and geripts) meta read more than trfl's case... I should probably like the meta read more since it is by two guys on my never lynch today list... won't lunch ES today... mh... probably next up is scott and I feel like an idiot now. -.- 2) scott bonus: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#441 Not sure what the point of this post was. Buddying up to me? 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb
On November 17 2015 11:03 disformation wrote:
Bonus note: I have no real clue where trfl's reads are at...
rit: town.
trfel: no idea where his reads are at: no like still suspicious.
On November 18 2015 01:37 disformation wrote:Trfel- Already expanded on his early VE case here:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:I can try. So TS posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him. A few mins later Trfel posts this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance. Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja... Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets. What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me." Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post. Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
- Posts a new, way more fleshed out case on VE:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#447
Not sure if the case holds, but the willingness to pursuit his scum read despite resistance, is town for me.
- Follows up with interactions with different ppls. I can clearly follow his train of thought on his new prime suspect scott. Still doesn't like VE.
Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today.
Did a filter dive on Trfel and decide that his pursuit of VE is rather town than scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=45#890
On November 18 2015 08:57 disformation wrote:
Trfel
Thought he was town before all the EoD stuff happened. Need to look at it again and re-evaluate. Not sure if I'll be able to get that done before EoN though.
On November 18 2015 23:55 disformation wrote:Now what I found in Trfel's filter: Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?
This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.
Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.
Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.
He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.
So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?
I don't like this one bit. Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction? Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions.
That is when I was greatly confused by the geript/scott association thing Trfel posted.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1187
On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote:
ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town.
trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later.
I later expand on this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=62#1222
On November 20 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 19 2015 23:05 disformation wrote:Hi Damdred, Hi sicklucker  Should have gone to bed earlier yesterday. 13 hours of mafia after 4 hours of sleep might not have been the greatest of ideas. At least I now 100% believe the vet claim. So: ritoky, was worried when he fell off, but since he got back I only got town vibes, so he stays town. moosydoosy. Still not a fan of my sweetheart, but still think he is far more likely to flip town than scum. damdy. vet. trfel. in my tinfoil world he is town. him being the vig would make tons of sense to me. that being said, I am still confused by a few of his posts. I have a half finished filter dive on him saved somewhere, will look at that some more later. FF. Like null? I know he is supposed to be lazy as town, but I could easily see him as mafia coasting by at this point. Eversince. I also hope there were no problems with the surgery and stuff, but there aren't that many options left and that could bite town in the ass soon. I also remembered that we are supposed to have at least 5 posts per day/night cycle and get modkilled if we don't, as per the rules in the op. Though hoping for a replacement/modkill is probably not the safest/best way to handle this. Breshke. Okay, I admit the stuff I said yesterday about him parking his vote on MD, might just be because of timezones. Still high chance of flipping scum though, since I haven't seen anything that made my stomach tingly and the points from D1 still stand. The Shining. Still want to see a bunch more from him to decide. Not compelled in either direction atm, but the PoE is getting smaller... So yeah if the vigi is someone of the bottom 4 1/2 ppl in this list I would love for him to claim, since this would greatly improve our chances to hit mafia today. So imo we either deal with Eversince today, as damdy suggested or we lynch one of Breshke/FF. To expand and update on my current read list: Townritoky Was worried at one point, cause he kinda fell off the thread, but when he came back I kinda immediately felt the town vibe. It is kinda hard to describe and partially tone based, but it is how he is interacting with ppl and how he kept his cool during the Farah claiming situation D2 and tried to find the best play for town. BananaboatTrfel Currently conflicted here. Wrong/Frustrated town or not? This is probably a big thing to figure out for town as a whole.
So in summary: I think ritoky is pretty towny this game, but that is a pretty tonal read. Maybe I should be more careful with that, but I haven't seen anything to call him scum for.
Trfel I have a hard time reading, since I can't wrap my head around a bunch of his cases, like the defense on Breskhe and the geript/scott thing.
If you have more questions, please shoot.
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at some point I'll need to actually look into ritoky just to make sure he's not the one fooling us either but right now I can't see why....
also disformation or whoever said that moosydoosy or damdred would chance eversince never returning and fakeclaiming....that's sort of on the lines not playing to moderator actions as either alignment. we don't know what the mods will do, or at least I don't. lets say the moderators modkill eversince and she flips vigilante....
....well then, that blows scumteam strategy out of the water.
let's say they replace her and the replacement claims first thing.
same problem for mafia.
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Hm. scum!Trfel could have thought that MD would be easier to misslynch later on?
But, WIFOM.
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although in the latter scenario if such a thing were to happen it could get interesting but in the first scenario regardless of whether ever returns they would be outed. still back to the point, don't consider moderators.
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On November 21 2015 03:29 NocturneMage wrote:
at some point I'll need to actually look into ritoky just to make sure he's not the one fooling us either but right now I can't see why....
also disformation or whoever said that moosydoosy or damdred would chance eversince never returning and fakeclaiming....that's sort of on the lines not playing to moderator actions as either alignment. we don't know what the mods will do, or at least I don't. lets say the moderators modkill eversince and she flips vigilante....
....well then, that blows scumteam strategy out of the water.
let's say they replace her and the replacement claims first thing.
same problem for mafia.
Yeah, hence why I said this would be HUGE risk and therefore highly unlikely... though I kinda can see MD going for a flashy/crazy play like this, especially with the late claim.
But unless there is a claim by Eversince/A replacement I won't actually go there.
Just me being paranoid and not liking MD. :p
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alright so I'm seeing a 5 votes for breshke (disformation, damdred, ff, shining, ritoky), 2 on trfel (md, me), 1 on ff (trfel)
with breshke and eversince abstaining. 80 minutes until deadline.
need to make dinner.
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FF:
On November 20 2015 10:51 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 10:42 disformation wrote:Yo, FF any suspects outside Breshke and Trfel? Also would like for you to explain why you prefer lynching Breshke. And furthermore... do you have any solid town reads? Trfel: am I right to assume that you have a solid TR on the ppl not mentioned in: On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote:On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy.
And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long?
I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM.
Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? I always give replacements a day pass. There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. I'm not gonna make up scumreads. I haven't reread you, I haven't reread eversince, I haven't reread shining and I haven't reread moose but those are people I would look at. Towny: NM, ritoky townlean based on real time reading: disform damdred(did he reject the vet claim? I didn't see) ????????? moose ever shining scummy trfel breshke This list is hardly informed I've only been diving a couple filters
Did you get the time to dive a few filter and have new opinions?
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Here's the thing, when you have two town up for lynch and you know the setup why push town Scott when it's highly likely in that situation that Breshke or Scott dies?
Now let's say momentum is going directly onto Breshke because of geript.
By the posts own admission Trfel thinks moosey is the second likely scum but wants Scott first.
Why hard defend Breshke against geript and push town Scott more when its just as good to say both Scott and moosey are town I'll help hammer moosey and I can get afk Scott tommorow?
It makes less sense of scum to do than you thunk. This makes him less likely scum, unless you think that Breshke would be lynched and Trfel was trying to save him,no matter what and wanting to go against town geript to bring more ! negative attention.
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it might have been easier to blend in. from my own recollection, I remember ritoky and myself not buying into it. From looking at the vote tracker, Breshke had at most 3 votes.
Also look at geript's last post when he voted Breshke. He rated moosy pretty highly from before.
On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote:
A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
In either case he would hae been goign against geript and he was saving Breshke either way.
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