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On November 21 2015 01:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Damdred I'm not the most experienced player in the world, but I can see why you are saying everyone voting him makes you nervous.
I am more than happy to start a second legitimate wagon on Trfel to be quite honest.
Problem is I think that we have two policy lynches, ie ever and Breshke. Someone who has acted crummy Breshke and ff to an extent. Trfel who is a hard line.
And the worst thing is I think Trfel is town out of all this
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actually, you know what.....fuck it.
##unvote
##vote Trfel
I am pretty sure they are both mafia, we have a claimed veteran right? I wonder if scum might have a stake however small to protect their roleblocker so they can off the veteran in one shot? especially for someone so towny like Damdred in the most likely scenario that Farah's claim was true.
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On November 21 2015 01:35 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 01:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Damdred I'm not the most experienced player in the world, but I can see why you are saying everyone voting him makes you nervous.
I am more than happy to start a second legitimate wagon on Trfel to be quite honest. Problem is I think that we have two policy lynches, ie ever and Breshke. Someone who has acted crummy Breshke and ff to an extent. Trfel who is a hard line. And the worst thing is I think Trfel is town out of all this
Ever is honestly a coin flip. From her content alone, I had her as a scumlean but even if this was day 1 I wouldn't be screaming "she is mafia must lynch now" if there is a strategic reason as I asked before to go for a straight policy lynch then town need to fully agree on it
like I said before either go for a higher likeliness of scum (and I honestly would lynch Breshke over Trfel but if votes are scaring people then....) or go for the straight policy lynch because I have no bloody idea what the mods will do and I don't think we should be thinking about that anyhow.
like does anyone else other than Trfel have adequate reason to think at this stage of the game Breshke is town?
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On November 21 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well disf are you saying you think Trfel is scum?
He is a wtf bananaboat... I have no idea what he is trying to do/achieve this game. Tonal he sounds like frustrated town and I like his case on FF and how he is annoying us into reading that.
Though.. like FF pushing Breshke, isn't Trfel pushing FF just selecting the easiest target?
But I just don't agree with his defense on Breskhe and don't get why he would defend him so hard.
The geript/scott stuff D1 was also super strange and I only was able to understand what Trfel meant after he explained it for the billionth time somewhen D2.
Trfel's PoE is also super scary. He has an uncc blue in it and I know I am VT.
Let me read his filter once more, maybe I will be able to make up my mind. No promises though.
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Let's say just for argument sake that Trfel and Breshke are scum together. I think it's possible but unlikely at this stage.
What's the play exactly? Everyone has basically piled onto Breshke but scum!Trfel instead of going for the town cred starts pushing on fecalfeast?
If Breshke flips scum where does that leave trfel?
I'll let you answer first before I keep going nm
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like the day 2 interactions are scummy, and it's also an issue of when and how the timing of his play fell off, I discussed his latest scum reads in farah and disformation and why at the time, in context, why that team did not make sure... so not just that it fell off but the context in which it fell off.
now tbf it is stupid late in Aus though right now (1640 here, so past midnight at least over there) and if Breshke does pop on, though I'll be on mobile for next 2 hours I do want to ask him questions about where he is.
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On November 21 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
Let's say just for argument sake that Trfel and Breshke are scum together. I think it's possible but unlikely at this stage.
What's the play exactly? Everyone has basically piled onto Breshke but scum!Trfel instead of going for the town cred starts pushing on fecalfeast?
If Breshke flips scum where does that leave trfel?
I'll let you answer first before I keep going nm
well in newbie 13, you tagged me for being the last player to bus my scum teammate. I still remember that.
if scum Trfel were to just pile on late in ths game here, he'd be tagged for bussing, or at least he should be. he wouldn't be getting the credit. so he has to find some other reason to push someone else who he feels isn't doing anything.
if trfel piled on breshke, he gets no credit, and as I remember from 13 he will be suspected for bussing. I think he has to find a reason to push someone because he might just have no choice here.
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if you don't understand me I can pull the votes from that game, but I'm going to assume you are remembering what I talk about. you were the one who caught me out and you were screaming at the thread and no one was listening to you in 13.
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On November 21 2015 01:47 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
Let's say just for argument sake that Trfel and Breshke are scum together. I think it's possible but unlikely at this stage.
What's the play exactly? Everyone has basically piled onto Breshke but scum!Trfel instead of going for the town cred starts pushing on fecalfeast?
If Breshke flips scum where does that leave trfel?
I'll let you answer first before I keep going nm well in newbie 13, you tagged me for being the last player to bus my scum teammate. I still remember that. if scum Trfel were to just pile on late in ths game here, he'd be tagged for bussing, or at least he should be. he wouldn't be getting the credit. so he has to find some other reason to push someone else who he feels isn't doing anything. if trfel piled on breshke, he gets no credit, and as I remember from 13 he will be suspected for bussing. I think he has to find a reason to push someone because he might just have no choice here.
Ok so, we can establish that at this point Trfel going on Breshke would give little cred.
Question two it was pretty obvious early that Breshke was totally Mia, however Breshke pushes against thread sentiment. What's the scum play there? Wouldn't there be cred if he jumps on early?
Now final question ans probable the best question.
Why does scum!Trfel push town!Scott over town!moosey when moosey was dead in thewater?
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Also why would scum!Trfel want to wrestle with geript, who he said himself is a very good player, and was townread by like everyone but Trfel?
Damdred logic to stronk.
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So I am basically back at my tinfoil where all the fights/cases/ppl yelling at each other are town on town and mafia is lurking around about doing jack, cause they don't need to. Also protected by the fact that a fair share of townies are also very inactive or have a rather scummy game, so they can look forward to having a bunch of easy misslynches.
Removing trfel from my list PoE thus says maffay is in:
Breshke
Fecalfeast
The Shining
Eversince
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Oh... also: why would scum!trfel keep an uncc blue in his PoE list?
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Shining isn't scum like pretty sure about it at this point.
I mean a ff Breshke and ever team isn't the worst idea.
But I'm not so sure entirely.
Disfo talk me through your read progression on Trfel and ritoky.
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The last question is probably the best question there. I would have to take a look at his read on Moosy or if he even had one.
And disformation did he? I thought Trfel said he gives replacements a days pass?
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Why are you sure Shining is town?
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On November 21 2015 02:26 NocturneMage wrote:
The last question is probably the best question there. I would have to take a look at his read on Moosy or if he even had one.
And disformation did he? I thought Trfel said he gives replacements a days pass?
On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy.
And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long?
I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM.
Use a bit of sense. so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? I always give replacements a day pass. There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned.
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Wait wait wait Damdred.
Breshke voting Moosy you mean? That was NOT against thread sentiment! I traced the votes. Look at my post where I had the vote counter votes all lined up. Breshke was the last vote on Moosy before everyone started switching to Scott.
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Disformation he says Breshke's activity keeps getting worse but he doesn't say the interactions are getting worse (not lack of them but quality of them). He focuses on day 1 but not day 2. That is what I struggled with.
Also I am pretty sure Damdred's question was with respect to his vote day 1 not now and that Trfel quote is day 2?
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On November 21 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
Shining isn't scum like pretty sure about it at this point.
I mean a ff Breshke and ever team isn't the worst idea.
But I'm not so sure entirely.
Disfo talk me through your read progression on Trfel and ritoky.
I am kinda worried I missed something and someone is screwing town hard. But who?
NM and ritoky are very town to me. Your reasoning just now makes me also think you are very town, on top of being uncc. MD is also uncc and constantly pushing ppl he thinks are scum, although I feel his reads do not change much and he fell of D2. My role PM tells me I am a VT. I just excluded Trfel from my PoE cause his play makes a lot less sense as scum.
So unless Eversince is a PR and either MD or you took a HUGE risk in fake claiming there are like no options left.
I also think out of those 4 The Shining is the most town and am still willing to give him a day to town up the thread.
I think I called ritoky town all game, since he gave me no reason to do so otherwise. Give me a moment to write up the progressions though.
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On November 21 2015 02:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Disformation he says Breshke's activity keeps getting worse but he doesn't say the interactions are getting worse (not lack of them but quality of them). He focuses on day 1 but not day 2. That is what I struggled with.
Also I am pretty sure Damdred's question was with respect to his vote day 1 not now and that Trfel quote is day 2?
I quoted that Trfel post for the PoE list that is including uncc Vet Damdred.
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