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Fecalfeast
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Damdred
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The vote is a bit worrying I suppose but I'll think and post in a bit | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
i really dislike that ff stopped doing stuff after his two good posts. he clearly was around and could have looked into the ppl he has no solid read on... so despite liking what he did I don't want to give him a TR. | ||
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Trfel
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On November 20 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: Either I missed something, or Fecalfeast is mafia. There is nothing in between.Fecalfeast Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. I don't understand how everyone can ignore me, no matter how much work I put in. | ||
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Damdred
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Trfel
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All I'm doing is trying to lynch scum. All I've done is try to lynch scum. If people are going to be stupid and lynch someone for no reason instead of scum, then I'll tell them why their reasons are stupid. | ||
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Damdred
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Trfel
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On November 21 2015 00:45 Damdred wrote: Read my filter, I've explained it before.You still aren't answering me, what has Breshke done to be hard town read and hard defended? It's not that Breshke is an overwhelming radiance of towniness, it's that Breshke is decently towny, the reasons for lynching him are terrible, and there are much better lynches that are being ignored. Lynch Fecalfeast. Hopefully I'll be back before the deadline. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
1) Yes, I remember him liking my post with the null read on him, that everyone else hated. Maybe he was trying to buddy up to me, so I give him a town lean instead? I also think 2) are 3) are valid points. But my problem is that I don't agree with your points on Breskhe and think that he has a very high chance of flipping mafia. So while I don't like FF, I am not sure I want to vote FF over Breshke. Btw... where the hell is Breshke? Also The Shining. Me no like. On November 20 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: Morning. The vote is a bit worrying I suppose but I'll think and post in a bit Can you explain what worries you? Did you get anywhere with your inquiries? | ||
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disformation
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Damdred
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So what exactly do you like now? And dis of course it's nerve racking some people I'm not sure of are on here and unless the scum team is exactly Breshke Trfel and ever something isn't right. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Anyway I'll randomly pick a filter to look through again | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Breshke (6): Fecalfeast (1): Trfel Trfel (1): farahbackwing (0): farahblackwing (0): Not Voting (2): Breshke, Eversince It looks like Breshke will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 6 votes! Voting is Mandatory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. | ||
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disformation
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On November 21 2015 00:52 disformation wrote: Looking at Trfel's defense on breshke again. Yeah, looked at Breshke's filter again and I am not seeing the love.  On November 21 2015 00:59 Damdred wrote: Why won't you just answer my questions, I have read Breshke and there's not much in the way there of towniness. So what exactly do you like now? And dis of course it's nerve racking some people I'm not sure of are on here and unless the scum team is exactly Breshke Trfel and ever something isn't right. Well, I can really agree to the bold part. Trfel is really confusing to me this game. FF is lazy as fuck and/or maffay. Breshke hasn't been here for... what... like 30 hours or something? The Shining is like barely playing. Eversince is MIA since Sunday... Oh wow. I didn't realize that basically everyone and their Mom is currently voting Breshke. *sigh* With Breshke gone this long I can see mafia bussing him (if Breshke is maffay), but that is of course a load of WIFOM. This game is starting to give me real headaches. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 21 2015 01:09 disformation wrote: Trfel is really confusing to me this game. FF is lazy as fuck and/or maffay. Breshke hasn't been here for... what... like 30 hours or something? The Shining is like barely playing. Eversince is MIA since Sunday... So imo the maffay team is within these 5 ppl, but unfortunately the town players in that pile don't make the game easier... Not that I am a bastion of towniness myself... | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 20 2015 14:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: No, he makes a good point. You're pointing fingers at basically everyone EXCEPT for Breshke which is highly suspicious. I tried to outline this agenda earlier but he said the reasons were crappy. It's not his arguments I have a problem with, it's his agenda. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 21 2015 00:38 Trfel wrote: The question about all I'm doing is defending Breshke? All I'm doing is trying to lynch scum. All I've done is try to lynch scum. If people are going to be stupid and lynch someone for no reason instead of scum, then I'll tell them why their reasons are stupid. Trfel my biggest issue with you is you aren't considering why people's reasons are changing. (1) Breshke's posting not since 24 hours - I have been told in the past that scum tend to fall off. In theory when lynch options close off it gets harder for them to come up with scumreads (2) Play has not been consistent and you've been treating it as if it has been consistent. Namely I thought his play day 1 was towny, and the pushes that we described for day 1 are lacking for day 2 and the particulars of his engagement day 2 are more scummy than they were day 1. It isn't "towny enough" or whatever descriptors you use for day 2. (3) There are 1-2 observations in the voting analysis that don't make Breshke (and possibly others) look very good either. For starters, he only voted once - why didn't he take a stand or a vote earlier? Why not VE? Why not whoever he was pushing earlier? Like why aren't you asking those questions? And these are pretty damn good reasons to lynch him. The issue with you "pushing scum" is that if you are mafia - and this is what I was taught in my mafia game newbie 13 - you can just get in a mindset enough (I think that is how glowbing bear put it) to be towny. From the database you have had enough experience as scum to at least realise this. Like right now you are talking around Fecalfeast. I will ask you the same thing I asked VE earlier this game.... Why didn't you just directly query him if you had issues with him? I am pretty sure you two were in the thread at the same time. Like your approach to Fecalfeast, I think he even responded something like "congrats you made a case on town" and you didn't even bother to ask him about his reads. The other thing is that you are framing that case without considering any possible towny behaviour. Like I said earlier he's being obvious about being lazy and doesn't seem to give much of a shit and unless there's a meta that this game is screaming about Fecalfeast like it was done VE, and for him it doesn't appear to be the case, then at least you have to consider that his not giving a shit from time to time would go against scum play. Obviously there's a PoE factor that comes into play and if he's still alive in mylo or whatever then it can be another story. But do you really think he's highest likeliness to be scum? But now? I'm not buying your line of play. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
I am more than happy to start a second legitimate wagon on Trfel to be quite honest. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 20 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote: 3) I don't think trfel and breshke are together and I think trfel is mafia. I say this primarily because of setup. It is a set-up with only a 50% chance of having investigative power and a guaranteed GF. This means that distancing and busing are more optimal than hard defense and aligning; and trfel has been REALLY defending breshke (like since p1 of his filter defending) pretty much all game. I think both trfel and breshke are good enough players to recognize that about the setup and I sincerely doubt that trfel hard defends his partner so early. Probably a case of mafia trying to pocket town. imo lynch pool right now should be something like: trfel - reasons above ever - already said why ff - hasn't shit town rainbow yet, disengaged shining - same as before + extra dropoff + not scum hunting. no I don't think this makes you mafia, but I do not understand the setup speculation and the correspondence to mafia strategy that you are explaining here. don't scum team already know the setup? I think Trfel and Breshke are mafia for separate reasons. Shining's voting (when and how) is somewhat suspicious as I previously posted but I need to look at bit closer at what he's posting, because when you are posting so infrequently it's hard to tell if he's rolling with thread sentiment or.... | ||
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Damdred
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